Episode 620: The Miseducation of Ed Larson - JFK & Government Conspiracies

Summary

Last Podcast on the Left - Episode 620: The Miseducation of Ed Larson - JFK & Government Conspiracies

Release Date: May 16, 2025

Hosts: Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski, Ed Larson

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1. Introduction to Conspiracies

The episode kicks off with a spirited discussion about sliders—small sandwiches—and a humorous conspiracy theory suggesting that their scarcity is a result of government interference.

Ed Larson muses, "[...] why are the sliders everywhere?" (02:41), sparking a light-hearted debate among the hosts about the possibility of a government conspiracy to suppress this beloved food item.

2. The JFK Assassination Conspiracy

Transitioning into the heart of the episode, the hosts delve deep into one of the most enduring conspiracy theories in American history: the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

Marcus Parks introduces the topic, stating, "We think JFK was killed in the world's most infamous workplace accident" (05:46). The trio explores an alternative theory that suggests Kennedy did not die from the shots fired by Lee Harvey Oswald alone but was also accidentally shot by an inexperienced Secret Service agent who mishandled his weapon.

Henry Zebrowski elaborates, "If the Secret Service agent behind him got scared, he messed up and pulled the trigger, accidentally killing JFK" (09:54). This theory posits that the second bullet, which fatally struck JFK, was a result of this accidental discharge, thereby questioning the lone gunman narrative.

3. CIA Involvement and Operation Mongoose

The conversation shifts to possible CIA involvement in JFK's assassination. Ed Larson discusses members linked to Operation Mongoose, a covert CIA operation aimed at eliminating Fidel Castro. He mentions individuals like Hermanillo Diaz Garcia and John Siltra, suggesting that these operatives might have had roles in the assassination plot (19:03).

Marcus Parks adds, "If anybody did it, it would have been the CIA" (33:43), highlighting the agency's historical dissatisfaction with Kennedy's policies and his attempts to curtail their power.

4. Jack Ruby and MK Ultra Connections

The hosts then examine the role of Jack Ruby, the nightclub owner who killed Oswald, and his potential ties to MK Ultra, the CIA's mind control program.

Marcus Parks shares a compelling anecdote: "Jack Ruby was supposedly going to spill the beans about his connections to MK Ultra before he was silenced by an MK Ultra operative" (28:37). This segment raises questions about Ruby's motives and whether his actions were influenced or orchestrated by governmental forces.

5. Charles Manson and Government Manipulation

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Charles Manson, exploring theories that suggest his actions were a byproduct of MK Ultra experiments.

Ed Larson theorizes, "They used Charles Manson to effectively kill the '60s counterculture, making it look like the movement imploded from within" (46:42). The discussion delves into how MK Ultra's manipulation techniques may have contributed to Manson's ability to control and influence his followers, leading to the infamous Tate-LaBianca murders.

6. The Nature of Conspiracies and Human Behavior

The hosts reflect on the feasibility of large-scale conspiracies, emphasizing human unpredictability and the inherent flaws in maintaining secrecy among numerous conspirators.

Henry Zebrowski asserts, "There's just not one of them that's gonna wanna spill the beans with the receipts" (24:24), underscoring the improbability of a vast, unbroken conspiracy chain.

Marcus Parks concurs, noting, "It's too many people involved for these conspiracies to stay a secret this long" (24:45). They argue that while manipulation and psychological tactics are effective, orchestrating events like assassinations on a massive scale is fraught with challenges.

7. Marilyn Monroe and Government Influence

Towards the end of the episode, the discussion briefly touches upon Marilyn Monroe, exploring theories about her untimely death and possible government involvement.

Ed Larson comments, "I think that being involved with the Kennedys automatically ruined her life" (60:36), suggesting that Monroe's associations with powerful figures may have led to her downfall, whether through direct intervention or societal pressures.

8. Closing Thoughts and Future Episodes

The episode concludes with the hosts expressing their theories on JFK's assassination, with Marcus Parks stating, "This is the one that has actually the most evidence behind it" (65:09), favoring the theory that an accidental shooting by a Secret Service agent played a pivotal role.

They tease upcoming episodes focusing on other significant conspiracies, including 9/11 and COVID-19, promising in-depth analyses and engaging discussions.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ed Larson: "Why are the sliders everywhere?" (02:41)
• Marcus Parks: "We think JFK was killed in the world's most infamous workplace accident." (05:46)
• Henry Zebrowski: "If the Secret Service agent behind him got scared, he messed up and pulled the trigger, accidentally killing JFK." (09:54)
• Marcus Parks: "If anybody did it, it would have been the CIA." (33:43)
• Marcus Parks: "Jack Ruby was supposedly going to spill the beans about his connections to MK Ultra before he was silenced by an MK Ultra operative." (28:37)
• Ed Larson: "They used Charles Manson to effectively kill the '60s counterculture, making it look like the movement imploded from within." (46:42)
• Henry Zebrowski: "There's just not one of them that's gonna wanna spill the beans with the receipts." (24:24)
• Ed Larson: "I think that being involved with the Kennedys automatically ruined her life." (60:36)
• Marcus Parks: "This is the one that has actually the most evidence behind it." (65:09)

Conclusion

Episode 620 of Last Podcast on the Left offers a comprehensive exploration of JFK's assassination theories, intertwining discussions on government conspiracies, MK Ultra, and influential figures like Jack Ruby and Charles Manson. The hosts provide a blend of skepticism and intrigue, encouraging listeners to question historical narratives while acknowledging the complexities of conspiracy theories.

For those unfamiliar with the episode, this summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights, presenting a thought-provoking analysis of one of America's most debated historical events.

Transcript

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[Marcus Parks]

There's no place to escape to.

[Henry Zebrowski]

This is the last on the left.

[Ed Larson]

That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? All right, my boys. Majority boys. Man, I miss sliders.

[Marcus Parks]

The show. No, no, I missed that show too. That was great.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, Henry and I had a bunch of great sliders in Detroit and we missed those sliders.

[Ed Larson]

What I don't understand is why are there not more slider based restaurants? We talked about this the whole time while we were eating those sliders. I feel like sliders are being left behind. I feel like that should be a new, like, you know, because we had obviously fancy hot dogs, then we had donuts and there was Korean tacos.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Sliders had their moment when. Oh, and I would say like 2009 to 2015.

[Ed Larson]

When was the great slider revolution?

[Marcus Parks]

You didn't have any money.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, we were poor.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, but sliders are for the people.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, I know. I. When I look at a restaurant, I had a bunch of different sliders I would sell at the poor house.

[Ed Larson]

That's different. You, though, literally, you're the only man I know who was a chef that was at the very forefront of slider technology. And you were doing sliders all the time. I remember when you brought sliders. All different sliders. But that's. You're the only place where I saw.

[Henry Zebrowski]

A lot of sliders. I had a curry chicken slider that was fucking awesome. I had apple slices on that bitch.

[Ed Larson]

We went to Green Dot Stables in Detroit and they had the fucking fish fry slider was real good. They did bologna fried bologna slider.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Bologna slider was really good. That's.

[Ed Larson]

Fuck. That's what we need back yeah, it's like, why are the sliders everywhere?

[Marcus Parks]

Are you saying it's a conspiracy?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think it's a government conspiracy.

[Ed Larson]

It's a government conspiracy.

[Marcus Parks]

Welcome to Last podcast on the left, Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the skeptical Henry Zabraski. Skeptical as to why these sliders aren't all over the place at all times.

[Ed Larson]

Who benefits?

[Marcus Parks]

Cuibono.

[Ed Larson]

I tell you who benefits. The Mexican restaurants got the tacos, and they know tacos and sliders are ass to ass, and they know that they are fighting for oxygen together, and they just want to shut it down. They want to shut the slider economy down because they know it's outside of the Fort Knox system.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think tiny tacos should be on the rise.

[Ed Larson]

Hate tiny tacos. Whoa. Love big tacos. So hold on.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You like tiny burgers?

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But you don't like tiny tacos?

[Ed Larson]

Correct.

[Henry Zebrowski]

This is a you problem. No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Ed Larson]

There are many like me. I am not the only one like me. That's the one thing I have learned.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Do you wish that spaghetti was just one big piece?

[Ed Larson]

Yes, I would. As if you would not eat an entire loaf of just pasta dough. I would.

[Marcus Parks]

It's called a lasagna, ladies and gentlemen. And with me, of course, with both of us, is Ed Larson. Ed, do you think the slider conspiracy is related to the Federal Reserve?

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, I think it's. If it's related to anybody, it's big pharma.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Henry Zebrowski]

All right.

[Marcus Parks]

Big pharma. All right.

[Ed Larson]

All right, that's good.

[Marcus Parks]

I would think big pharma would be down with the sliders because that would increase diabetes and heart disease and such.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, Well, I know that. Oh, my God. There's a place called Rock House Sliders.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. You just have to look harder.

[Marcus Parks]

You live in Los.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We live in one of Googling.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. We live in one of the biggest cities in America. You're going to be able to find sliders.

[Ed Larson]

Australian. This is Australian Sliders.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Sliders.

[Ed Larson]

Sliders.

[Marcus Parks]

What the.

[Ed Larson]

This is fucking. They're ahead of us.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We're moving.

[Ed Larson]

We're going. I'm bombing Australia. No. Bomb them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

These are all people doing what you want.

[Ed Larson]

No, because they did it first. And I won't. No one can have them. I can't.

[Marcus Parks]

Today we're here talking about conspiracies. Of course, on our update show, we started a little segment, or actually it was more of a theme of Ed Larson, Ask questions.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes. Yeah. No, it's basically, I Mean, I know a lot of this stuff, or I have, like, my own thought on it, especially today, because we're going to center on government Conspiracy. There are other episodes just like this coming out down the road about serial killers and stuff like that, which we have already recorded, but this one is about government conspiracies and. I know. And we'll do what? The next one I want to do is on aliens.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure, of course.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Can we actually be looped into Government Conspiracy?

[Ed Larson]

But what I would like to get art done where it says, the education of Miss Ed Lawrence. Yeah, yeah, no Ed Lawrence. Him in that thing. I think that'd be fun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, that'd be cute. I think that is adorable. Yeah. So we're. So today we wanted to talk about government's conspiracies, and I wanted to start with what I think is, like, the biggest, meatiest one. And of course, that's jfk.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The assassination. Not his. You know, his accidentally winning the presidency.

[Ed Larson]

He didn't accidentally win it. Just his. His older brother was supposed to be the president. He was the shining light. He was the one that everybody wanted to do something, but then he died like a. Oh.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I didn't actually know about this. Kennedy's brother died.

[Ed Larson]

Oh. J. John Kennedy's older brother was like, the. The one the family thought was going to go all the way. Kind of like Jeb. Uhhuh. Like, they thought that Jeb was going to be the one to take it. And then when he died, it's like jfk, essentially, because his family was extremely competitive. Like, they would. He. The father would, like, make them all, like, do debates at the dining room table and do all this shit. He'd. He'd raise one in favor and knock one down, and then JFK doubled down when he had realized, like, when he went to war, he became, like, twice the hero his brother was to get the same amount of love that his father gave his brother. Naturally. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And of course, he gained the injuries that possibly caused him to snap back and not be able to duck when he was shot.

[Ed Larson]

Wow. Because he was all metal. Also, Rock House Sliders. Rock House Sliders is in Kuwait.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, is it?

[Ed Larson]

This is a restaurant in. Somehow my first. I typed in Sliders Restaurant. This is a conspiracy. I didn't. I typed in Sliders Restaurant Los Angeles. First thing that pops up is this Kuwaiti slider.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Why did you think it was Australia?

[Ed Larson]

Because it's Deliveroo.

[Marcus Parks]

Deliveroo is like, that's.

[Ed Larson]

That's an app. I know it's an Australian app, but it's more.

[Marcus Parks]

It's also British Europe thought British has.

[Ed Larson]

Something like Masher Dasher where they come in Deliveroo.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

It's like ass grass and fuck shit. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Ass grass, fuck shit. Yeah. That's the British delivery app.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. They're pillars of the English language. All right, so jfk, we, you know, we as a group here, I think the three of us, we all enjoy and almost lean towards the theory that Kennedy was accidentally shot by a hungover Secret Service agent.

[Ed Larson]

Definitely that's my favorite theory. It's not. Not I'll say happened, but it's my favorite one.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, I'll amend that. Is that he wasn't hungover. It's that everyone else in the Secret Service, all of the mo. More experienced Secret Service agents, they were all hung over. The guy who was actually holding the gun was brand new and extremely inexperienced and should not have been holding the gun. He should not have been holding the AR15 that day. That was. That's the whole thing is that they were hungover. He was not. He was just new and scared.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And there's some pictures with him holding the AR15 and then there's other pictures without him holding the AR15.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Where they said they might have old school, airbrushed them out the old way. They used to do Photoshops, which is essentially, they would take the photo white. They would ref. With the actual negative. They'd actually scratch it out of the negative and then republish it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And they also, like, he could have just shot it and then put it down. And they're two separate photographs.

[Marcus Parks]

Very much could have been. But to catch everybody up, if you haven't listened to our JFK series, it is personally what I think happens that JFK was killed in the world's most infamous workplace accident. Yeah. Is that there were when they got to Dallas the night before, all of the Secret Service agents, the more experienced Secret Service agents, went out to a strip club and stayed there until like 5am Something like that. Yeah. Stayed up very, very late. And so the next day, when it was time for the motorcade, they gave the most inexperienced agent a top spot, prime spot, right up next to jfk. And when they came around Dealey Plaza and Lee Harvey Oswald took the shot, took the first shot, the Secret Service agent behind him. I know I'm skipping over a lot of stuff here.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. But basically the Secret Service agent behind him got scared. He fucked up, pulled the trigger and shot JFK in the back of the head. And it was actually the Secret Service agent Who accidentally killed jfk. The JFK would have survived the assassination with just a wound.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Had it not been for the Secret Service agent.

[Ed Larson]

And blew off the top is fucking.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And that's why two different bullets. Yeah. And that's why there was so much. That's why there was so much intrigue around his autopsy. Why we didn't really ever get like a full report on that.

[Ed Larson]

Well, the conspiracy theory then begins at the mortuary. Like it begins after they're doing the medical examination.

[Marcus Parks]

Cover up begins immediately.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes. Because they lost the brain.

[Ed Larson]

Well, quote unquote lost the brain. Unless they did it on purpose.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So this is, this is where lose the President's brain.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You'll be surprised.

[Ed Larson]

We don't know where Einstein's brain is.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I saw a slice of it at the Mutter Museum.

[Ed Larson]

No, dude, that's just, you know what that turned out to be. Tam. Sorry, buddy. And straight up, Virginia ham.

[Marcus Parks]

It's the shitty ham too. It's the process.

[Ed Larson]

But. So one big kind of like major motif we have on last podcast on the left with his, which has kind of both made people happy with us and angry with us, which is awesome. Which is. We believe that most conspiracy theories hinge on human activities in very small juncture points in history. Right. Like I view things as happening way more subtly, not as much of a grand plan. More things happen accidentally, either because of human error or just human agendas in to begin with.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, one of the things that we like to say again and again is never confuse incompetence for malice. And that, I believe, is one of the central questions or one of the central things to keep in mind when it comes to the JFK assassination. Yeah, because.

[Ed Larson]

Because a lot of people had motive to kill jfk. When we did the series, you cover how, like there was definitely a reason why you'd think that CIA might want to kill jfk. Total motive to do it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Why there were the. Obviously the Cubans and the mafia and all these people that could all come together in one. We, you know, we joked about how JFK was the most killed man ever.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

There was so many people there to kill him. But the actual mystery starts.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The city of Dallas didn't want him. They put out a full page article like, don't come here, go yourself.

[Ed Larson]

They hated them.

[Marcus Parks]

The wanted poster that was circulated.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah. And Lee Harvey Oswald, though, did, in his own personal diaries, wrote several entries pro JFK because JFK was willing to speak to the Russian consulate during the whole Cuban missile crisis thing. So he was like, he had little moments in there. So that's why I believe there was a series of convoluted mistakes slash actual what you'd call a cover up. But they were very human. So the first cover up happened because they were Secret Service was fighting with the local Dallas doctor team, the medical team at the morgue, right when they were working on his body, that saying, we're going to take the body directly to Washington D.C. and the head of their, the coroner there was like, no, this is a homicide and it's happened here in Dallas. So this is my jurisdiction. We're going to treat it like any other homicide. And they said, no, you're fucking not. That's the President's body. We're going to do anything that we want with it. Which is why they essentially stole the body. They were fighting over it as they were getting it onto the plane. But we now believe that's why. But we think that the reason why the COVID happened here is because the Secret Service were just covering their own ass to cover up the biggest workplace accident in American history.

[Marcus Parks]

World history, I would say. And it was because it would have made America look so foolish. Because we're in the Cold War. The Russians are looking for any reason to say, look at how incompetent America is, look at how awful America is. Come on over to our side. They can't even keep their President alive. It would have looked absolutely fucking terrible for us to you know, say like, well, yeah, we actually sorry we killed the President. But if you've got a guy like Lee Harvey Oswald that's connected to the Soviets, then that keeps the Cold War going.

[Ed Larson]

I also refuse to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was this because everyone kind of says, oh look you see now like recent, the new dump of all the JFK documents.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But there's nothing in there.

[Ed Larson]

No, but there's more. The one thing that is in there is more corroboration that, that Eli Harvey Oswald was pinging these various, like other communist consulates. Like he tried to go to see the Russian consulate in Mexico and then he went to Russia, he went back and forth. And there's a lot of people that put this sinister filter on it saying, you see here, he might have been a double agent, he was working both sides. But if you then read the reports about Lee Harvey Oswald, they all say the same thing, this guy's a fucking idiot. We don't. He's unreliable and he's showing up drunkenly begging to be a communist and coming to Russia and then Russians are looking at this guy. They put him in a little hotel room to watch him when he first comes, because they're like, what this. What is this guy's fucking plan?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. It seems like he works for our government.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. It's like, what is he doing? Is he trying. What. Who's he. It's. Because what do we know about intelligence services? They famously hire people that are out of pocket. They hire people that have bad reputations so that you automatically mistrust anything coming out of their mouth. No matter what it is it all sliding together, the truth and lies.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now, he was. Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine, Correct?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he was he a great marksman.

[Ed Larson]

It's conflicting results.

[Marcus Parks]

Very. Actually, it's a very. It's very conflicting results again and again.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Like, where. Some people say that he was, some people say that he wasn't. You know, it's hard to tell. And it's also the idea of like, the gun that he used was not like a very. You know, it wasn't a solid gun. It was a cheap mail order gun. There's no way that he could have hit it.

[Ed Larson]

It was a hard shot. It was a hard shot.

[Marcus Parks]

It was a very hard shot.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah. But that was just there. It's very hard shot.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And you pull your rifle, too. And that was awesome, too. Like, we got to do.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Surprised what they let you bring in there.

[Ed Larson]

When we threw the watermelon on the X and you were just able to just. I was first of all surprised.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Well, because it's very interesting because you look at the window where he shot Kennedy from. There is a much better shot when Kennedy's coming up the street right towards the window that he didn't take. And he took the harder shot as he turned and went down the street.

[Ed Larson]

Because he was not a trained assassin.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

And he was just a man with normal boot camp training that also was not particularly good at that. And when he got shot, I also bought. One of my big conspiracy theory beliefs is that he was not there to shoot jfk. He was there to kill the Governor. And that when he shot, he missed the Governor.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And why would he want to kill the Governor?

[Ed Larson]

Because the governor was. He was. I forgot what it was. He was yelling. He was angry about something. This is all from his journals where he was ranting about the Governor. He was ranting about all this shit. But he was like. He kind of did the whole like, and fuck you, and fuck you, jfk, you're cool, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's like this very strange. He pointedly was angry with the governor, but then depends on whether or not you believe that was placed by CIA.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, for sure. All right, so here's what I want to do. We are. I now see the Secret Service thing makes the most sense to me personally. That's fun. But there's no way for us to, like, truly 100% know. That's correct.

[Ed Larson]

We'll never know.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes. So what I want to do is I want to talk about some other options.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because I was just there. I was. Honestly. Had a lovely afternoon.

[Ed Larson]

Wasn't it nice?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

And did you talk to any of the conspiracy theory buskers?

[Henry Zebrowski]

A little bit, but I didn't want to give them money.

[Ed Larson]

And conspiracy theory buskers are my fucking favorite.

[Marcus Parks]

Me and Henry did actually give a guy 20 bucks once just to hear what he had to say. Yeah. And it was all nonsense. Yeah, yeah. It was all total nonsense. But it was entertaining nonsense.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, very much. I was very. I was thankful it was worth the money.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. He had a visual aid and everything.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, I bet. Visual aids. You gotta be careful.

[Ed Larson]

Gotta wear eyeball condoms. So.

[Henry Zebrowski]

All right, so here's the thing. I'm there. I'm walking around the grassy knoll. I see the corner of the fence and I see the X. I go behind the fence. It's the perfect shot. Yeah, it is like the like perfect fucking shot. And we all know he was a very hated man. We know that people claim that shots came from behind the fence. We had people ducked because they were fucking. Heard bullets whizzing by them and shit, according to their testimonies. So who would the other shooters have been?

[Ed Larson]

There's a long list, buddy.

[Marcus Parks]

Very long list. Could have been the CIA, could have been the Mafia. Those are the two most likely candidates. If you wanted to go. If you wanted to get deep into the conspiracy. If you're putting some. If you have to put somebody behind that fence. I would say you'd put the CIA.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Behind the fence because Kennedy had recently fired Dulles.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Because he didn't like what Dulles was doing. And he hired. Was A guy's name, McCone, I think was the guy. It was the head of the CIA that Kennedy hired.

[Ed Larson]

I actually have the four names. Right. Of the guys that might have been a part of the team.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Okay, great.

[Ed Larson]

Hermanillo Diaz Garcia, who was a Cuban exile.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Right.

[Ed Larson]

There's another guy that was a shady. Didn't know whether or not he worked for the US government or for the Cuban government. John Siltra, who's a French assassin that was. Also. Had apparently also tried to kill President Charles De Girl.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Right.

[Ed Larson]

These are part of all. I remember all this from back in the day, like all these people.

[Marcus Parks]

Because also remember. Yeah. Our JFK series was what, 2020. That was five. Yeah. Episode 400 or 500. It was 400.

[Ed Larson]

400. It was the. The. I remember going into it the February of COVID Yeah. And then Jack Cannon is another guy. And Charles Nicoletti. These are all like shady guys that have all been sort of in and out of the JFK story that have either said that they were there planning to shoot JFK or have been blamed. And a lot of them shady, weird. Either assets or guys who wanted to be assets that have, over time, inserted themselves into the story.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Do we know that they were in Dallas?

[Ed Larson]

There's a lot of stuff. Yes, they were. Essentially. There was a guy named Bill Harvey who worked with Operation Mongoose. There's a CIA dude. It was another guy that said he was orchestrating it. He was the one who put the four of those guys in town. And he said that they were. Operation Mongoose was the ongoing CIA attempt to kill Fidel Castro.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

So this guy was a guy who was in charge of that. He said he was putting the team in place in Dallas and inviting them all through separate means. And one of the big theories is that they were all individually there to kill JFK without knowing it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

That each one was set up to kill him without the other person knowing that they were all working as a team.

[Marcus Parks]

Fail safe. You know, it's like if one person doesn't get him, then another person will.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Good place planning.

[Lowe's Advertisement]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now we know. So if the CIA is involved, we know that George Bush works with the CIA, later became the director in the 70s and he worked with the CIA. How do we. Is there any chance that he was involved?

[Ed Larson]

Well, Herman Walker.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hw.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

HW oh, you mean David Copperfield.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, the Bush family has been involved in conspiracies for decades. Like George Prescott Bush. Like, it goes way back to like.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The Nazis and all that.

[Ed Larson]

Vanderbilt Bush. The other guy.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. Or Vander Voort.

[Ed Larson]

Vander. Vanderbilt Vander something. He was one of those dudes that was a full on. They. They built the country.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. So I would say I don't think.

[Ed Larson]

Vanaver Bush V. Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Not Vandervort Vort. I think that's. That was a. That was a street in Brooklyn.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I actually do think that was a street.

[Marcus Parks]

But yeah, I don't think George H.W. bush, I think he was more on the outskirts at that point. I don't think he had anything directly to do with it. If there was something to be done.

[Ed Larson]

Well, why would you want your future CIA liaison president to be remotely involved in something like this?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

So if you are.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But it's a 13 down, 13 years down the road, you don't even know that he's going to be the head of the CIA.

[Ed Larson]

They are. If they are thinking long term like that. That's again, again. So it's, you have to think about it one way or the other. So it's either there is a giant conspiracy embedded in the intelligence surfaces and the military. Right. So let's say if that is real, then imagine that they have been planning the fallout from this since. Because now you have to look at what are they trying to angle towards. Like mostly they didn't like that JFK told them. No, they don't like the jfk. The intelligence services didn't like the JFK was going to not allow them to do unfettered warfare in cub across the world, no matter what it is that they wanted to do. Right. LBJ seemed I guess to be more amenable to that. But he wasn't necessarily like the guy either.

[Marcus Parks]

No.

[Ed Larson]

Right. So he wasn't real. So he also was trying to get.

[Marcus Parks]

Out of Vietnam, yet LBJ very reluctantly got into Vietnam. That was the last thing LBJ wanted to do. He wanted to focus on the Great Society.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Kennedy started Vietnam.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, well, Kennedy was the one who promised the first people. Yeah, the first troops groups. But it even went. But there was even stuff involving Eisenhower when it came to Vietnam. But yeah, Kennedy was the one who, who committed the first people and LBJ escalated it and then Nixon escalated it even more. But yeah, LBJ very did not want to get into Vietnam at all.

[Ed Larson]

But you're going this far. So again, let's just say they know, they don't want any players to be able to not step into place the second that they could get them properly going. So I don't think anybody that would be able to make those calls would have done it or been involved because they would have been kept separate because that's how these, that's how they work. CIA and NSA work. So that the right hand and left hand don't know what it is that they're doing or what the other one's doing.

[Marcus Parks]

And that's also my problem with the, you know, sending all four of these guys is like fail safes because with these sorts of operations. Like, the less people know about it, the better. Like, you don't want a bunch of guys like that are all involved in this massive gigantic conspiracy. Like that's part of the reason why like 911 conspiracies don't really wash out is because in order for 911 as an inside job, in order for that to happen, it would take thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people who have all kept quiet, like to this day.

[Ed Larson]

And guess what people don't do keep quiet. They just don't.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I refuse disappear.

[Ed Larson]

Well, they do, but still.

[Marcus Parks]

But who's doing the disappear? Like that's the thing. You got to get people to do the disappearing. And if you're disappearing thousands of people, then that means that there are thousands more people. Like it's. It mushrooms out into how many people like this sort of statistics, half that you would need. And the sort of people of blind loyalty. Blind loyalty?

[Ed Larson]

Loyalty, this idea.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You don't think, do we have enough of that? I think there's enough Americans that are blind loyal to do crazy. I mean, look at the military.

[Ed Larson]

But waivers. Blind loyalty is also. Loyalty is a very funny. Where it's like. It's like there's something about it. Like we all want to bank on this. We think of this. It's actually a very toxic concept. Kind of like faith, where it's like you want something without evidence, you want prizes without work, you want something without loyalty believes. Oh, these people are going to hear to me no matter what. But you know what? Loyalty is funny. Loyalty shifts. Things go back and forth. Because loyalty not deserving is something you can have a bunch of people who at first believe in this idea about JFK being eliminated and want him out of the way, think that the CIA is correct, think NSA is correct. You want them to work, you want to do all this stuff. But then on some level, humans change. Humans like. And if you have so many people in the mix, there's just not. I just cannot believe that there's not one of them that's gonna wanna spill the beans with the receipts.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, I think when you talk about loyalty in the military, I think if you look at Vietnam, to bring up Vietnam one more time, how many guys went into Vietnam fully believing in what they were doing and came out the other end giving Senate testimony. You know, like talking about when you.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Burn a village, your opinion changes.

[Ed Larson]

If you kill a bunch of WH blowers, your opinion might change.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. If you're asked to just kill a bunch of people, then your opinion might change. And that's. And I think it's the same thing. Like people do have an upper limit for how much they can handle and how much they can do, you know, and, and I think that there's just too many people involved or there would have to be too many people involved for the sorts of conspiracies that, you know, a sort of like jfk, like, you know, get four people in there, you know, this massive government thing, like within the government, government, too many people involved for it to stay a secret this long.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, Oswald. So I'm pretty sure we all think that Harvey Oswald was involved.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh yeah, I think he definitely shot.

[Ed Larson]

He's one of the guys that shot.

[Marcus Parks]

He's the one who. He definitely took the shot and he, I think he definitely hit the President.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. So is he a patsy though?

[Marcus Parks]

No, I think, I think that Lee Harvey Oswald was working entirely on his own as an agent of chaos.

[Henry Zebrowski]

What about that weird photo, the one with him holding the Russian document and the rifle in his backyard where the shadows don't line up. Like, what's the deal? Was that faked or was it because he said it was faked?

[Ed Larson]

They had said that it was faked and I could see it possibly being faked again to muddy the waters. Like if you're going to fake it after the fact, it's really just to put more blame on him and more blame shifted over because the government is obviously very. If they do believe, if they are covering up a Secret Service file up.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Having to be a lone gunman is what you want. You want it to be the lone gunman. So I could see you pushing some information that way. I just think that Lee Harvey Oswald was too much of a talentless fuck up to make history purposefully.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. And he probably was going to spill some beans.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Oh yeah, he was going to spill. He already was spilling beans.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. But then of course, like Jack Ruby. That's a fascinating side story in itself.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, that is my next question actually. How did Jack Ruby know Oswald? We know he owned a nightclub and he had ties to organized crime. Yeah, but how did he know Oswald?

[Ed Larson]

It's a.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They knew each other personally. Right.

[Ed Larson]

Maybe that is real conspiracy theory. That's real deep in about whether or not you believe that they had any sort of run ins with each other.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

It does sort of seem you could see how a local fat might want to just be a part of the story. Like again, there's more. I do think there's a lot of that that I do wish.

[Henry Zebrowski]

More was he A showman like that.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, he was a very flashy guy. He's a local known entity. He was kind of. He thought of himself, but he's like, as a mobster kind of guy.

[Marcus Parks]

And a patriot.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, and a patriot. The idea that you like being like, you're going to come into my town, you're going to come my town, kill prison in my town. I killed presidents in this town.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, well, there's also some really, there's some interesting stuff. I know we're going to get to this subject later, but I definitely. I don't want to lose this. I learned this recently. There is some weird connections between Jack Ruby and MK Ultra. Yes. Were you going to bring that up?

[Henry Zebrowski]

MK ULTRA is next on my list, so let's go for it.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the. The weird connection between Jack Ruby and MK Ultra is that, you know, Jack Ruby was supposedly gonna at one point, like, kind of spill the beans and say, like, okay, here's what I had. Like, here was my connection to it. Here's what I was gonna like when he was gonna go testify. But right before he was about to testify, he was visited in prison. And I learned book Operation Chaos about the Manson family and the possible CIA connections, which is fanta. It's both fantastic and frustrating all at the same time. But the guy just before Jack Ruby was about to testify, he was visited by a man named Jolyon West.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Who was a massive part of MK Ultra. He was the guy that fed all the acid to the elephants that they took all that. He basically, like, pumped a bunch of acid or a bunch of acid and elephants until they shit themselves to death. But he visited Jack Ruby just before Jack Ruby was about to testify. And then all of a sudden, Jack Ruby's lost his mind. Like, Jack Ruby, he does not. Like, he was not fit to testify after that. After this visit from Jolly on West, who was a central figure in MK ULTRA and also had connections to Charles Manson and the clinic that Charles Manson went to in San Francisco before Charles Manson went to Los Angele where he did everything that he did.

[Ed Larson]

Can I ask you a question? What do you think it was that he was going to say, Jack?

[Marcus Parks]

Rudy, I have no fucking clue. I have no idea.

[Ed Larson]

That's a part of me that I want to know. There's a part of me that actually wonders if there's more. When we humans don't. Like an open loop. Yeah, an open loop is. Makes people crazy, right? Like, and so what they'll do is. Is jam a bunch of Stuff in there to make it like. I. I think that a sinister view on this is a much more comforting view than something kind of dumber mixed with more human. Where. What if Jack Ruby is there to say? I had heard about Lee Harvey. He was like a guy. He was kind of in and around, right. He was kind of a local scummy guy. You know, who knows? He could have come to his establishment.

[Marcus Parks]

A couple times, kind of, sort of.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

But maybe Jack Ruby was even providing more evidence of Lee Harve. Oswald was a backwards that couldn't nail a tin can from 25ft away. Maybe there's something like that. I don't know. Like, maybe the idea of they all wanted to make sure that nobody talk. That nobody talked about it at all. Because if you look at what Jolly on West did do, I'm looking this up, what he did to Jack Ruby. So he goes into. So Jack Ruby had attempted to commit suicide. He's put back in this room.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Did he get cancer?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. He was, like, freaking out inside of his jail cell. So they send in old, cryptic Dr. West to go to Jack Ruby. He comes out saying, Jack Ruby is completely unreliable. He believes that there is a massive Jewish genocide happening. He is. He's in a. An acute psychotic state. He says all this crazy. Which we have not heard from Jack Ruby. Yeah, we never heard. He didn't talk about this before. We didn't say this was. There was no manifesto. There was nothing like him talking about what. What he was connected to before. So I actually think that this is definitely some kind of a hack job on Jack Ruby because he might have known just like, he might have just been another person. Mean, like, oh, Lee Harvey Oswald. That's who you think. The master assassin. Like, I could definitely see that.

[Marcus Parks]

Or if you want to get. If you do want to get a little bit deeper into conspiracy theory as far as, like, covering their tracks. It is also possible that Jack Ruby was hired by intelligence services to take out Lee Harvey Oswald. That Jack Ruby was the real. He was the real patsy. Because it might have been possible that they wanted to keep Lee Harvey Oswald from becoming any sort of, like, communist figurehead. Oh, definitely like that. They wanted to keep him from, like, you know, talking and, you know, and having a voice, because people are gonna want to hear from him. Yeah, he's the guy who killed the fucking President. Everyone's gonna want to hear what he has to say. And they might want. They might have wanted to just fucking knit that in the bud and close the loop. Wash their Hands of the whole thing and say, hey, everybody, let's move on. On.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And so Jack Ruby, they're saying he had lung cancer that spread to his brain.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So that's why he had to. Went crazy and had delusions. So we, you know, we can believe that or we could say that was made up as well.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, I mean, it's. That's the thing. Just because he has brain cancer doesn't necessarily mean that. What. Everything that he's saying is crazy. But he did have chances to talk and it was just. He was silenced and he didn't get the chance. Like we never really heard. Heard the full story from Jack Ruby himself.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he died within a year. Right?

[Marcus Parks]

Like that. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Do you think that it's possible he knew he had cancer and that's why he committed the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald?

[Ed Larson]

Maybe.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Maybe he was going to die and he's like it.

[Ed Larson]

He never said anything about that, though. You never.

[Marcus Parks]

We just didn't hear much from him.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. All right, so we CIA, major contender here on the murder of jfk.

[Ed Larson]

Sure.

[Marcus Parks]

If anybody did it, it would have been the CIA.

[Ed Larson]

They definitely wanted to, but I will say they're just not great at doing assassination.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. You know, they obviously. They tried to kill Castro hundreds of.

[Ed Larson]

Times and they didn't get it. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now, do you think it was possibly Alan Dulles loyalists because Kennedy fired Dulles? It's possible.

[Marcus Parks]

It could be. I mean, I think that there were definitely people. I mean, there were many, many people in the CIA that were very unhappy with the direction that Kennedy was taking things and with the power that Kennedy was trying to take away from. From them. And God, if he would have, the world would be an entirely different place.

[Ed Larson]

Well, didn't technically. Wasn't the one person who technically put a leash on the intelligence services, Gerald Ford? I believe Gerald Ford was the first one that said, like, you need to report budgets.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

You need to actually tell us what you're doing. So up until then, they were given kind of impunity to run. I think that because. Because what we learned From World War II, CIA and the intelligence services and their win in with the Manhattan Project gave them sort of a blank check to kind of do whatever they. They kind of let them do whatever.

[Marcus Parks]

They want back when they were the oss.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. And so now it's. Killing a president affects their job too. So an assassination is a lot more like. You can get a lot more done with psychological use of information than with an assassination. Yeah. Because if you just shoot a president in the head, unfortunately, like it will also cascade into a bunch of reactions that you can't control. But if you're looking to control reactions, you have to kind of with the, you know, the Hegelian dialectic. The idea is you create a problem, the same organization creates the problem, that creates a solution so that you can kind of guide the response to both. And so, and so there's. To me, there is like they get a lot more leverage if they let some psycho nut communist kill the president. And then they ride that for informational psychological warfare. It's a lot more effective than, than just straight up shooting them in the head.

[Marcus Parks]

And for me, but I think to that point there was mountains of compromise. Vermont on jfk.

[Ed Larson]

Oh yeah. It was like he was everybody, he was coming over everything. He was like, they said he'd get his medicine. He was three chicks a day. Like he had, he had an Epstein penis. Like JFK is a nice guy, I guess, but he had an Epstein penis where he had to be milked three or four times a day.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now do you think that maybe that's all things to discredit Kennedy and make him look like a bad person?

[Ed Larson]

No, because.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, because he got the same thing with mlk.

[Ed Larson]

All the women, there's horny guys.

[Marcus Parks]

You think so that, that was very true. Yeah. Yeah. No, because JFK was very much an adulterer, as was mlk.

[Ed Larson]

Like this horny guy.

[Marcus Parks]

Very horny guy. They're stressed.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, they're stressed.

[Marcus Parks]

Definitely shouldn't be used against them. But that's the thing is that they did use like that's. They did use that against mlk. And they could have used that stuff against JFK easily. They could easily use that to control them.

[Ed Larson]

But that's the thing, they did do it on an mlk. They definitely already use that stuff. And jfk, I feel like they were holding that in its pocket at the time. It was really the first time the United States of America, I believe, were like, I think our President's kind of hot. And I like it. It was like, that was before. Like you remember, this is the first optics President.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, it was the, what was it? The first televised debate.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, the first.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And anyone who saw it said Kennedy won. Anyone who listened said Nixon won.

[Ed Larson]

And then Jackie was like, Jackie changed the idea of this idea of a, of pop culture, like a pop culture edge to the popularity of the politician. That was something that not also never really kind of happened before. I know that like technically, I guess like Elizabeth Roosevelt, people liked her, but.

[Marcus Parks]

It wasn't like Elizabeth Roosevelt.

[Ed Larson]

What's her name? The other one?

[Marcus Parks]

Eleanor.

[Ed Larson]

The other one.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But the thing with Eleanor is Eleanor was like an actual politician who was invaluable to the nation.

[Ed Larson]

Jackie.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Jackie was just. She was beautiful.

[Ed Larson]

But the hats and the fashion. Fashion are like. Like what we were talking about with Anders Breivik and this kind of shit like that fashion and that stuff actually moves way farther than your political actions, especially in the United States of America. But putting pop culture. Not with Eleanor Roosevelt. Eleanor Roosevelt was like. I'm talking.

[Marcus Parks]

Roosevelt was a massive, massive political figure.

[Ed Larson]

But then Jackie showed the power of that other side.

[Marcus Parks]

She did.

[Ed Larson]

And what that adds to your political.

[Marcus Parks]

She did definitely show that. No, the. Jackie was beloved. You know, with the whole television special where she brought people into the White House like it was it. It was a big deal.

[Ed Larson]

She definitely packing that booty.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, she was.

[Henry Zebrowski]

She was gorgeous.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But she. She did make JFK far more popular by just her very presence where. Where he's. You know. Eleanor Roosevelt could sometimes make FDR less popular because of her more progressive views.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

But also, man, she was an actual politician.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was. I love my favorite. I know she's the quote machine, Eleanor Rosenl.

[Ed Larson]

But yeah, you never know how. A woman's like a teabag. You never know how strong she is until you put it in the hot water. Yeah. And then she went like every. She remember that favorite quote? She's like, get up.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, my favorite.

[Ed Larson]

Get up, stand up and just talk to me. Like a.

[Henry Zebrowski]

My favorite quote is that you can never. You can't be intimidated without your own consent.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And I think that's one of the most beautiful things I love listening, living by. All right, so MK Ultra, we know they're true. This is what they. They train assassins through mind control.

[Ed Larson]

They wanted to.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's what they wanted to.

[Marcus Parks]

Ostensibly, yeah. What that was one of many, many, many, many, many goals for MK Ultra.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So any chance that Sir. Answer hand. James Earl Ray, Lee Harvey Oswald were victims of MK Ultra, sir.

[Ed Larson]

Hence Sir Henry. Yeah, quite possibly. You know it's not victims, right? There's. Now that there's more evidence showing that Charles Manson might have been at one of these testing areas. And then you have Ted Kaczynski. He was a part of some of this. It seems that it's not almost. There is a There. There seems to be a lot of coincidence that when you. With somebody's brain, right. When you. When you drop a bunch of acid into their. In their heads and they don't particularly understand that. That it is what. What it is that they're going to be. It's not our fun acid. It's not the stuff we take for fun. It's the you. It's like an iv. Yeah, that shit's fucking real good.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

It's got to be crazy that I think that it. It has a tendency to leave behind somebody who is shattered and violent. And I think that it's not so much that MK ULTRA caused these things, is that if they were a part of these things, it might not. Might make somebody who wants to kill a public figure.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, well, at the end of the MK ULTRA just didn't work.

[Ed Larson]

No.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Okay, so there's no proof that it worked.

[Marcus Parks]

No, it did, actually. The proof is that it didn't work.

[Ed Larson]

That's why they try to cover up.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. That ad that they just destroyed the lives of thousands upon thousands of people for. For no good reason, based off of a rumor that came from the Soviet Union that the Soviets were doing the same thing. But MK Ultra, it's. The interesting thing about MK Ultra, as far as, you know, the sort of people that may have gained access to it, is that, you know, Henry mentioned Charles Manson. And it's not necessarily clearly that Charles manson was an MKUltra experiment, so much as Charles Manson may have taken lessons from the MK ULTRA experiment that he was a part of and used those same techniques to get people to, you know, do his bidding. Not necessarily to kill for him. Because I am still somewhat on the fence as far as whether or not Charles Manson truly did say, like, okay, like, go out and kill everyone at the Tate house. Go out and kill everyone. Because the Manson thing, like, that's still a knot that we're never gonna untie. Completely. Completely.

[Ed Larson]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

As far as, like, what really happened with Charles Manson?

[Henry Zebrowski]

He's trying to start a race war, right?

[Marcus Parks]

No, that was it. No, no, absolutely not. That's propaganda from Vincent Bugliosi. He wanted something that was a nice tight story that he could sell in order to get Manson to the gas chamber. That's what he wanted. He. He wanted to make. To get. To tell a story. A very, like a crazy story, to be sure, but a. A clean story where he could tell a narrative. But Manson did talk about the race war stuff with his followers, but it wasn't necessarily about starting the race war. There's a bunch of different theories as to exactly why, you know, you had the pig stuff and all that. One of the theories is that it really is like a criminal, you Know it's just a criminal making bad decisions over and over and over again. A couple weeks before the tape murders, that's when Gary Hinman was murdered. G was a, a drug dealer that, what's his name, Bobby Bous had kind of had gotten into an argument with it got into like kind of a disagreement about payment for I think speed to some bikers. Anyway, Bobby Bousle ended up killing Gary Hinman and a couple of weeks before that Manson had shot a, a drug dealer named, I can't remember his like Papa, like Papa Papa Mooch or something like that dude. Yeah, yeah. But like he, he shot this black guy that he assumed was a part of the Black Panthers, wasn't. He was just a pimp. He was just, he was just a black guy. But Manson was deathly afraid of the Black Panthers and he was also trying at the same time to get Bobby Bous out of prison. That's one of the theories is because they had written pig at Gary Hinman's house to try to blame that murder on the Black Panthers because Manson had the Black Panther like he thought he had the Black Panthers on his act ass but they weren't, they didn't know who he was at all. And then when Bobby Bous was arrested I believe like the day before the tape murders either the day before, a couple days before. The theory is that Manson told Tex Watson go get Bobby out of prison. Go do something to get Bobby out of prison. And Tex Watson in his you know, up like drug addled brain, what was.

[Ed Larson]

The thing he ate?

[Marcus Parks]

Nightshade.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, he ate the whole fruit or whatever. It's like a thing that you're so you bowl boil like apparently that was a big thing with Tex Watson was that they would regularly do hallucinogens. And one, he was a garbage head.

[Marcus Parks]

He didn't take anything.

[Ed Larson]

And they did like a thing with something like a peyote style thing where they boiled it. They boil all the hallucinogenic tea out of it but then he ate the stuff at the bottom of it and they said he was never the same, that he walked around in his hands and feet for a while and then he came back and he literally was just a psychopath.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And, and nightshade was, it was like a bad form of acid. I actually found out, we're researching. Yeah, I found out the, the New York Dolls took it for a little while too.

[Ed Larson]

Angel duster, like angel trumpets.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. But Tex Watson went out and just, they just went way, way, way too far. And it's possible that, you know, Manson the next night. God, I can't remember exactly what the narrative was on the. The criminal stuff, but it's basically it making like making these people complicit as well. Making everyone complicit in the murder so they don't snitch on each other. It's like kind of a jail tactic because that's the. I watched it. There was a really good documentary series I think on like Peacock recently about Manson that. Because when we did it, we did. When we did Manson. And I really want to redo Manson because I've learned so much about it since then. Please, we got to, man, come on.

[Ed Larson]

Man, give me the shot.

[Marcus Parks]

But we kind of looked at it as, you know, from the perspective of like a failed musician. You know, a failed. You know, a guy who really just wanted like. The whole reason why he talked about the Race war was because he wanted to convince a bunch of 18 year old girls to move to Death Valley and write doom buggies all day. Because that's what he wanted.

[Ed Larson]

You just wanted like hang out for the most part. But then he. But he was a career criminal.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Too hot in Death Valley.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, but he loves it out there. He loved the desert. But he may have used like these MK Ultra techniques to kind of control these people. But things got way out of control. Way, way, way out of control. And there's also a conspiracy, government conspiracy, convolving Charles Manson that he may have been. That he may have been pushed into it because it said that they. The asset that the Manson family had was Orange Sunshine, which was a government made acid.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Was that real? The real shit?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And when he was going. When he was in San Francisco before they came to Los Angeles, because you know, the whole Manson thing, it's like a year and a half between him getting out of prison and them killing the Tates. It's like a year and a half.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Okay.

[Marcus Parks]

Insane. But yeah, he shows up on the streets of San Francisco out of prison and he basically starts gathering followers, starts gathering girls and he starts becoming. Becoming a. A pimp as well. And he starts turning out these girls. All the girls ended up with a venereal disease. So they show up at this free clinic in San Francisco that treats venereal disease. But this free clinic is known to be. It is definitely connected with MK Ultra. Like Jolly on West was there.

[Ed Larson]

Oh yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Like they were doing like Jolly on West was like doing tests in San Francisco. So Charles Manson and Jolly on west were probably, you know, there together. And Kissing. Yeah, kissing. And one of the conspir theories is that they used Charles Manson to effectively kill the 60s, to kill the hippie movement, to, to. To make, to make it look. That's the whole thing about Operation Chaos is like, let's, let's make this thing eat itself from the inside and make it. And make it implode, basically.

[Ed Larson]

Because they don't like it when we come together.

[Marcus Parks]

Nope.

[Ed Larson]

They didn't like electric guitar.

[Marcus Parks]

Nope, they hated electric guitar. But that's one of the. And then after, you know, Charles Manson was basically given these techniques or he was maybe pushed in the right direction, that's went down to Los Angeles and, you know, hooked up with Brian Wilson and things just worked out the way they worked out. I mean, it's a. It is definitely a long road to walk from that San Francisco clinic to, you know, them murdering, you know, five people at the Tate house, or five or six, I can't remember, but to murdering all those people at the Tate house. But there are other really interesting things about it when it comes to the conspiracy, you know, world and Charles Manson, where, you know, Manson was on parole, he didn't, he wasn't supposed to leave San Francisco. Francisco. He left San Francisco, he went to Los Angeles and his parole officer was like, ah, let him go. Let him, you know, let him go. He got arrested multiple times. Every time, let him go. Let it get him, get him out. Let him go.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He must have been so annoying.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, that's the thing though, man, is.

[Ed Larson]

That like, these are the human factors we're talking about. He's a pain in the ass weirdo dude. At the time, he was there for like, drugs and pimping.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So tiny. But you, you look at him, you're like, ah, he's harmless. Who's he gonna hurt? He's crazy.

[Ed Larson]

Get out of here. Ye. Get the fuck out of here.

[Marcus Parks]

But, but no, he was, he was let go again. His people were arrested and let go. It was. There is a. You know, it does seem like there was a directive from somewhere from someone to say, this group of people, leave him be.

[Ed Larson]

Let's see what he does.

[Marcus Parks]

But yeah, let's see. Like, for no. Like. And no one can, like. And that's the thing about Operation Chaos. What makes it such a fascinating book and such a frustrating book. And the author very, very much cops to this, is that he just kept running into these dead ends where he would think that he would get on, you know, the right track and then he just hit a dead end. But there were, there's just like so many questions of like somebody on high. Like and he proved this with paperwork. Somebody from on high did say leave the Manson family alone. Leave Charles Manson alone. If you arrest him, let him go. Anytime his name came up in the systems, like get him out the of of here. So there was somebody that had a vested in the government that had a vested interest in what Charles Manson was doing.

[Ed Larson]

We also now know for a fact that CIA definitely was plugged into the Laurel Canyon scene, was plugged into all these different areas, right? They definitely were. So then you partially kind of wonder was every member of the Manson family a genuine member of the Manson family? Was anybody member? Like that's where a conspiracy theory could maybe come out. Maybe part of the reason why he's saying leave them alone is because they're dead in the center of the a bunch of essentially an intelligence op that they don't understand that they're in the center.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Was there anyone that didn't go to prison?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, there was. Was it Sandra Good? I believe also people come in. There was one that turned state, the one who told the whole Helter Skelter story. I don't think. I think she may have gone free. I think there was one of them that definitely. But that's the whole thing is like the Helter Skelter story. Like there's a whole part in the book where it kind of talks about how the Helter Skelter story story was created where when she was first arrested she wasn't talking about it at all. And then at as time went on, the Helter Skelter story sort of became something that was. It got put at the forefront of everything when in fact it was just something. It was just another crazy thing that Charles Manson was talking about to try to get people to do what he wanted them to do. It was a control thing. It wasn't necessarily. It wasn't about starting a race war at all.

[Ed Larson]

And now the, the CIA and the US government doesn't need to do big ham fisted. We're going to dump acid into the water. We're going to do all these things to kind of fuck with people. Because now they have the total complete control of the flow of information.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

So now they can really fuck with us. And what I think that that's kind of one of those things that I'm trying to explain more to people is that they don't need an MK Ultra 2 to fuck with us. We are with ourselves. Look, us reacting to the, you know, however you feel like the Idea that we had an objective reality five years ago. We have a novel virus that is good. It is fucking with society and no one's happy about it. No one likes it. And look at how we reacted to it. They don't even. They don't need to fuck with us. They don't need. They don't need to. To fuck with us from within human beings. Natural paranoia and lack of media literacy alone is enough to manipulate millions of.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, no, they. I mean, they use the stuff that's been coming up about Facebook, like, especially like recently with the release of that whistleblowers book, you know, the stuff that comes about how closely the Trump administration worked with Facebook to micro target people, to micro target, like certain demographics, like the people who are now at the right hand of power, you know, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk. Like, those are the true conspiracies. You know, that's the true stuff that is being used by the people in power to control us. That's being. That is how they finally figured it out. And they're really. Oh, yeah. And the thing is, somebody the wrong.

[Ed Larson]

Guy read Snow Crash a long time ago is what we're seeing.

[Marcus Parks]

The thing is that they are so incredibly good at that. And that's. And as far as governments go, like when you look at the United States government and when you also look at the Soviet government or not, so the Russian government and the Soviets back in the day, is that what. As far as conspiracies go, these people, people are masters at manipulating humans and masters at manipulate, like, they understand human nature and they understand how to manipulate us to get what they want. But when it comes to getting humans to actually do things and when it comes to get. And when it comes to like putting them together in these like, massive operations, that I don't think they're anywhere near as good at. Like, I really don't. But they are very good at whipping us up. And they're real because if you look again and again throughout history, history, when you look at people that are able to whip up big segments of the population, like, they get into power, they get into control, but it always to a letter ends in absolute and utter complete chaos. Every single time. It ends in chaos and it ends in death and it ends in massive disasters and massive destruction. For the like, we saw it happen again and again throughout the 20th century. It happens that they know how to whip us up, they know how to manipulate us. But when it comes to actual planning plans, no, they, they do not have that under control.

[Ed Larson]

I had. I was reading really interesting book about how they're. Part of the reason why I think they can't directly control who we are is because we have this thing called consciousness. So consciousness, they don't really know. They like. The question always is, where does consciousness come from? What you know, but it's never been. The real question is, what is consciousness good for? Why is it an evolutionary part of what humans have? Why was it. What was it a thing about it that made us superior to the other animals in order to do this? And that's why consciousness. Because there's one side. It's like we view it as a great gift. But what actually was actually a massive problem.

[Marcus Parks]

Human consciousness was a mistake.

[Ed Larson]

It was. And maybe that problem is that. That I. That personality, that thing that. What we call the. You know. And when you do mindfulness, they talk about the observer. Right. So you. When you go away into mindfulness, when you go into a meditative state, there is a. When you're deep, deep into it. The idea is that you're trying to get to this idea that you're looking at the observer of your own mind, which is there is that that voice, the thing that talks about the thing that makes you. Eddie. Are the things that. That kind of makes us what you are. But they also. Fuck it deeply fucks up actually good destroyed decision making.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Like consciousness is actually a massive hurdle. It's a huge energy suck for our bodies. And it really up a quote unquote. What's the best way to make a best decision? Like if you look at how our consciousness acts unconsciously, like, you know the idea that we don't. Your brain is making the move. The half a second before your arm moves. Your brain knows it's making a decision. These are the types of things that make human beings behavior extremely unique, unpredictable. And at the very bottom of that, that very, very bottom, that is why the state, the why the concept of a giant overarching conspiracy controlling human behavior will never shake out. Because humans are in. You can throw game theory. You could throw. They try to do every time. And they're always like, huh. But they. We never. You never really expected. You know, like, look at all the people polling, all the politicians pulling all this. Humans just make decisions in the moment all the time.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, it's like people are predictable. A person is unpredictable.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, yes. You know, as a whole people. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And you know, with consciousness and all that, I mean like consciousness changes with a brain injury. You know, like, it's like your personality can Be one thing and then, like, you get zapped or you get hit by a car and you're a different human being for the rest of your life.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know?

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah, buddy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And so the. That's what, you know, MK Ultra was probably going for now. I wanted to go back for two seconds. I know, I know.

[Ed Larson]

We're.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We're getting down to the wire here. But now I would. You know What? Because the 60s are the most interesting part to me. I think. I think they're, They're. They're so crazy. Everyone always talks about how, like, this is the worst time in history. It's like the 60s are pretty bad.

[Ed Larson]

They're crazy. They were just very, very crazy.

[Marcus Parks]

They were nuts. Yeah, I actually, I, I learned a. A, A term today that never heard of before. It's called the Cool Zone, where it's. You're living through a period of history that's very cool to read about in the future, but at the time, it really sucks. Yes, yes. And then we are at this moment, like, we're edging closer and closer towards the Cool Zone. Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, for sure. Now how. It's sir, an. Sir and James Earl Ray, you know, obviously, you know, huge figures in changing history.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Are we.

[Henry Zebrowski]

How certain are we that they worked alone?

[Ed Larson]

We don't know.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, we don't know. I mean, James Earl Ray, I would say probably.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He says he does. He didn't. But, you know, how are you supposed to believe anything he says?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, you can't.

[Ed Larson]

You know, I mean, you know, killing Martin Luther King Jr. At the time, again, I don't think it's as. I just don't think it's as effective as people think it is.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. And it's not like with Kennedy. There's not like a magic bullet. There's nothing, you know, there's no crazy things like that. It's pretty cut and dry.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. He had a target on his back and they went for it. And, and when you kill those. But also what the CIA knows and stuff is a lot of times if you kill those guys, they're moved. Look at what happened. Their movement blows up.

[Marcus Parks]

Right.

[Ed Larson]

So it's the same thing. It's like, it's there. There is a. There's way more nefarious, more capable things in assassination.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Now I know is that if RFK wouldn't have been killed, I don't know if we would be arguing over whether or not autistic people are persons right now.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Like, we might, like, things might have been different. Yeah. Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah. No, they changed. They definitely changed it. But again, it' coming against the. Which is, it's another example of. So you, you're big. The new government's conspiracy theories that the weakest members of our society are the ones it up.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Which I think is really interesting. The idea that trans people and people with, with autism are the problem, which is literally they are fucked.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. They're notoriously peaceful.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, whatever. It's more just their fuck.

[Marcus Parks]

That's just the, that's the fascist playbook. And it's been like that for forever. It's like it goes all the way back. You know, to blame in Jewish people for conspiracies is that they're at the same time the most cunning, evil, you know, brilliant people in existence. And they're also, you know, subhuman dogs that, you know, can't get anything right or ruining the entire planet. Like, that's how. That's always the fascist playbook, the double think like that. And it's, it's the exact same shit that we're seeing right now.

[Ed Larson]

Now I'm just glad that we can tell our employees with autism they don't have to pay taxes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

All right.

[Ed Larson]

Does that mean we don't have to pay them as well? Do we have to pay taxes as well?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, we got to pay it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. All right, last one. I just need to, I. And if it's too big, we could just tell me to go myself, you know, but. Marilyn Monroe killed by the government.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You don't think so? You think it's just a straight up drug overdose?

[Ed Larson]

I think that the. She was killed by the government and the fact that she. The United States, the President of the United States of America. And it did ruin her life.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

I think that that's what you could mean by killed the government. I killed by the government. I don't think that they needed to whack her to ruin her life.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

And I think that being involved with the Kennedies automatically ruined her life. I think that the. Everything that was attached to them became poisonous. Everything. Everything changed. They used her. She was, she was an innocent. She's an innocent woman that was attracted to these people. But I mean, you know, I mean.

[Marcus Parks]

I, I, I, I never agree with, like, you shouldn't infant. Like, we shouldn't infantilize Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe was a brilliant woman.

[Ed Larson]

She's a genius.

[Henry Zebrowski]

She was great actress. She was able to manipulate pretty much all of men.

[Ed Larson]

I Read Beautiful. I think Marilyn Monroe is a. Was an extremely. A miss. She's a misunderstood person and she is a. She was not manipulative at all. Like she just didn't know what to do with herself. She was so smart and she was very. And she's intense and beautiful and emotional. But she was attracted to a type. Power. So powerful and so those were types and she had access to that and so she got access to it. And I just think, again, I just think we put a lot of stank on this idea that these people need to be assassinated whence like I think they don't. They knew that she was cruising for a bruising anyway and if she needed to, if she was going to spill the beans, she was going to be dead one way or another. I think, I think that she legitimately was just really saddened by the shakeout of everything and, and committed suicide.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Any, any, any legitimacy to the theory that she was pregnant with JFK or RFK's child?

[Marcus Parks]

I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, I, I don't think so. I, I think most, at the end of the day, like most conspiracies are there because, because we don't like the reality like we, we don't like the reality of what happened. Like we, we don't like, we, we don't like the reality that like this, this woman who supposedly had it all could still be, you know, sad enough to kill themselves. Yeah. Sad enough to, yeah, die by suicide. It's like that's, those are the, the realities we don't like to think about. We don't like to think that one, you know, crazy, you know, one asshole, you know, with a vendetta or one asshole who wants to be fam of American history. And we definitely don't like to think that it can be changed even further by complete and total happenstance. We don't like to think that there was, you know, a group of people in a cave in Afghanistan that could bring America to its knees, you know, like it so incredibly easily. Like, we don't like to think about these things because it makes the world such a scarier place. It makes it scarier to live in. It makes it scarier to live in our own heads. You know. Like if you think that, you know, Marilyn Monroe robe. Like if you think like, well, if that woman can't, if she can't survive this life, how the can I. You know, like if you think like that, you know, these people and you know, in Afghanistan can bring the entire government and honestly they won I mean, they. Yeah, they did it. They wanted to do every single goal that they had.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. They destroyed American supremacy across the world. Did everything that they were supposed to. They brought. They. We fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

[Henry Zebrowski]

As soon as it happened, I was like, this was done. This could have been done by five people.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, like, it's one of those things again, just.

[Ed Larson]

It doesn't. That's why, like, on one hand, yes, a conspiracy does take a lot of people. But, you know, think about it. In the 911 conspiracy, they're all dead. So everybody that was involved in that side of it, in terms of the people that might. Could have talked about, who would have paid for it, they're all dead. We've never seen Osama bin Laden's body. We don't know any of this type of. So it's like, there was a couple.

[Marcus Parks]

Of guys we had, like, Khalid shout out Muhammad. Like, you know, like, we. We did. There were definitely guys that we got that were like. That we took alive.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But I'm just saying, this is the next episode. 9 11's our next conspiracy episode.

[Ed Larson]

Let's do it on. Let's do it in September.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's a great idea. Yeah, buddy. Oh, it's actually perfect for when we go on break.

[Ed Larson]

Yep.

[Henry Zebrowski]

All right, so next time, 911 after that, Covid.

[Ed Larson]

Great.

[Marcus Parks]

Perfect.

[Ed Larson]

Can we talk about it soon?

[Marcus Parks]

You know, we're getting there.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, we're back there.

[Marcus Parks]

We're really getting there. We got our personal experiences.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, I'm honestly, I am getting ready to talk about it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hell, yeah, guys. Well, thank you so much for talking to me about these things. It's good to really, like, bounce the ideas off. I still think our theory about the. The workplace accident holds the most water.

[Marcus Parks]

It does.

[Ed Larson]

I think it's just. I just think it. To me, it's so funny because everybody thinks that the other way. Like, I think it's so interesting.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, it's so much more interesting. Yeah. And it's the one that has actually the most evidence behind it. There's a ton of evidence behind. I mean, I know there's some people say that there are some contradictory evidence, but. Yeah, there's contradictory evidence for everything. And this is the one for me that makes the most sense. It makes more sense than Lee Harvey Oswald. Like, that's the thing. Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone makes more sense than the CIA killing him. But the Secret Service agent accidentally shooting JFK in the back of the head makes more sense. Sense than Lee Harvey Oswald getting Both shots off.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Three shots, right? Total.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

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[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, okay.

[Ed Larson]

I'm looking at this. It's in the LA area, so maybe.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'll make you sliders.

[Ed Larson]

I just.

[Henry Zebrowski]

All right.

[Ed Larson]

Thinking about sliders.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You would have came to Easter. I had ham sliders for everybody.

[Ed Larson]

I was asleep.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, you fucked up.

[Ed Larson]

I was up.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You could have had ham and cheese with mustard sliders yesterday, but you chose to stay home.

[Ed Larson]

You know what's weird? I say that a ham and cheese, that to me is just a little sandwich.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's not a slider when you put it on a slider bun.

[Ed Larson]

But I feel slider is different than a little sandwich.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I. I agree with Henry here. That's a little sandwich.

[Ed Larson]

Wow. I think he never does that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Fools.

[Ed Larson]

No, I think that is slider.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I don't believe the whole episode now.

[Ed Larson]

Well, I say, everybody, thank you for being here.

[Marcus Parks]

And I know I definitely, like, said some that was wrong. Just like I know I definitely said some that was wrong here and there, but it's conspiracy. But yeah, you know, it's just a. We're having fun here.

[Ed Larson]

Go check out Green Dot Stables, Detroit area. It's one of my favorite slider restaurants I've ever been to. I love that place. God, that fish fry sandwich is so good. Still thinking about it.

[Marcus Parks]

And thanks to everyone out in Detroit who came out to our show. It was such a fun time. I love Detroit so much. Best record stores in the country. The Motown Museum was a fucking blast.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, my gosh.

[Marcus Parks]

We love Detroit so much.

[Ed Larson]

Unbelievable.

[Marcus Parks]

We know you're like, you're, you're, you're pulling yourself up from the bootstraps and we're here to support you. Detroit. We love you.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's going to be a great city in like five. It's a great, great city now, but it's gonna be like a truly, like, great, like current, like Mecca in America. 10 years.

[Ed Larson]

Utterly love Detroit and it's just wonderful to be there. And I just thank God we get to do shows here.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Free. The Robocop statue. I'm sick of this.

[Marcus Parks]

And if you want to see video episodes of this show or watch Last Stream on the Left live, go to patreon.com Last podcast on the Left to become a member. Check out all of our socials at LP on the Left on TikTok and Instagram. And don't forget to come out to all the other shows we got going on this year. Go to lastpodcastontheleft.com for all the dates, but Ed's gonna tell you about a couple of them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's right. Well, currently this is Friday. I'm in Key West. Okay. Fucking get your ass to my show. If you, if there's happenstance that you are in Key West, I am there Friday, Saturday, Sunday, doing badass shows, accomplishments, comedy Key West. Come check it out. But next month. Oh, my God. We are booked for the rest of the year. We are. All right. June 28th, Atlanta, Georgia, the Coca Cola Roxy. July 12th, Salt Lake City, Sandy Amphitheater. August 8th, Charlotte, North Carolina, the Night Theater. August 9th, Durham, North Carolina, the Carolina Theater. September 20th, St. Paul, Minnesota, the Palace Theater. October 11th, Pabst Theater in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. October 25th, 25th, Oakland, California, the Fox Theater. November 29th, Cleveland, Ohio, the Masonic Temple. December 12th and 13th, we're in Portland, Oregon at Revolution Hall. It is going to be amazing. Also, we got side story shows attached to Atlanta at Dad's garage on on June 29. And then of course, Henry and I, the beautiful crime wave at Sea Gold.

[Ed Larson]

And see it cry with c.com last. We're going to have so much fun. You're going to die out there.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's right. So come on a cruise. Henry and I are doing side stories. Three nights of shows. It's going to be a blast. So come check it out. And we love you guys.

[Ed Larson]

All right. You. Hail sweet Satan.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, hail Marilyn Monroe.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I love her.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I love to go watch some Like It Hot.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Am I? My week with the Maryland was a really good movie. I don't know if you guys checked.

[Ed Larson]

It out or not.

[Marcus Parks]

I haven't seen it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, it was very good.

[Ed Larson]

Well.

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[Marcus Parks]

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