Side Stories: Movie Stories II

Summary

Last Podcast on the Left – Episode: Side Stories: Movie Stories II

Hosted by The Last Podcast Network, "Last Podcast on the Left" delves into the myriad horrors of our world, both real and imagined. In the episode "Side Stories: Movie Stories II," hosts Henry Zabrowski, Ed Larson, and Jackie Zabrowski engage in an in-depth discussion about various horror films, dissecting franchises, classics, and their own horror-watching endeavors.

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1. Exploring the Terrifier Franchise

The episode opens with a passionate analysis of the "Terrifier" series, focusing on the evolution of Art the Clown across the three installments.

Terrifier 1: A Foundation in Iconography

• Henry Zabrowski praises Terrifier 1 for its return to classic horror elements, despite its perceived incompleteness. He states, “[Terrifier 1] was amazing as a first chapter” (09:21).
• Jackie Zabrowski concurs, highlighting the film's lack of plot as both a strength and a weakness: “Well, there's no plot” (05:52).

Terrifier 2: Expanding the Lore

• Henry Zabrowski lauds Terrifier 2 for deepening the story and enhancing Art the Clown’s character, describing it as “one of my favorite sequels” (15:37).
• Ed Larson shares his surprise enjoyment, initially expecting "torture porn": “I thought beforehand I thought this was all torture porn. And again, it is” (10:34).
• The hosts discuss the physical portrayal of Art the Clown, with Ed Larson commending David Howard Thornton's performance: “the best physical actor in horror right now” (10:14).

Terrifier 3: Independent Excellence

• Henry Zabrowski expresses admiration for Terrifier 3, emphasizing its independence and creative freedom: “[Terrifier 3] is completely independent... he doesn't give a fuck” (22:02).
• The discussion touches on the film's brutal scenes and cliffhanger ending, with Jackie Zabrowski noting, “the last 20 minutes is the most brutal of the entire series” (13:44).

2. The 31 for 31 Halloween Challenge

Embracing the spooky season, the hosts embarked on the "31 for 31" challenge—watching 31 horror films in 31 days. They share their progress and strategies for selecting a diverse range of horror sub-genres.

• Henry Zabrowski praises Jackie Zabrowski for categorizing each day with specific horror brackets, ensuring a varied exploration of the genre (05:39).
• Ed Larson appreciates the adaptability of the list, mentioning the inclusion of classics like Friday the 13th and modern entries like Humanist Vampire Seeking Consenting Suicidal Person (05:37).
• The hosts express excitement for upcoming films, such as GM Haunted Asylum and The Curse (64:25).

3. Delving into Classic and Anthology Horror Films

The conversation shifts to timeless horror classics and anthology films, with a particular focus on Freaks (1932), Bride of Frankenstein, and American Werewolf in London.

Freaks (1932): A Haunting Masterpiece

• Henry Zabrowski lauds Freaks for its atmospheric dread and powerful themes of loyalty and acceptance: “[Freaks] is about how they're equal to everybody else” (33:00).
• Jackie Zabrowski shares her admiration, noting the film's enduring impact and emotional depth: “I have never seen it before and I loved it” (35:00).
• The hosts discuss the original and extended cuts, highlighting the film's influence on the horror rating system: “This movie was what created the rating system” (35:01).

Bride of Frankenstein: Themes of Sexuality and Rebellion

• The hosts explore the gay allegory in Bride of Frankenstein, discussing director James Whale’s possible subtextual intentions: “[Bride of Frankenstein] has been interpreted as a gay subtext suffused throughout the film” (41:31).
• Henry Zabrowski emphasizes the emotional connection and the portrayal of unconventional relationships: “It's about the love allegory about sexuality” (42:57).

American Werewolf in London: A Blend of Humor and Horror

• Jackie Zabrowski praises American Werewolf in London for its storytelling and character development, despite its slow pace: “I loved American Werewolf in London. Everyone should just go out and make sure they watch that” (50:45).

4. Critique of Horror Reboots and Franchises

The hosts engage in a critical examination of horror remakes and franchise films, including Friday the 13th and Rob Zombie’s Halloween.

Friday the 13th Series

• Ed Larson reflects on his experience watching the series for the first time, challenging preconceived notions about its quality: “I never realized, like, the origin of these” (55:12).
• Jackie Zabrowski expresses disappointment with certain entries but acknowledges the genre’s appeal: “I did not like it” (56:28).

Rob Zombie’s Halloween: A Grindhouse Revival

• Henry Zabrowski and Ed Larson discuss Rob Zombie’s revitalization of Halloween, appreciating the grindhouse aesthetic and tone shifts: “What Damion Leone has done is realize like they're extremely good at Rob Zombie’s tone shifts awesomely” (46:15).
• Jackie Zabrowski defends the stylistic choices, despite mixed reviews: “It's a trashy horror movie” (45:56).

5. Personal Anecdotes and General Thoughts on Horror

Interspersed with film discussions are personal stories and humorous exchanges, showcasing the hosts’ camaraderie and deep engagement with horror cinema.

• Henry Zabrowski humorously recounts attempting to drink an Oreo Coke Zero without sponsorship: “I wasn't actually drinking this Oreo Coke Zero. I just opened it so I could try a sip of it” (72:25).
• The hosts share their frustrations with certain films, such as Joker 2, criticizing its narrative direction and character development: “It was the single worst lesson I've seen in a film” (68:40).
• Jackie Zabrowski reminisces about meeting Sid Haig and the challenges of distinguishing celebrities from the crowd: “I was like, whoa. I was like, that's the celebrity I want to meet, Sid Haig” (49:06).

6. Recommendations and Final Thoughts

As the episode concludes, the hosts provide recommendations for both seasoned horror fans and newcomers, emphasizing the importance of exploring diverse and sometimes obscure films.

• Henry Zabrowski encourages listeners to venture beyond their comfort zones: “If you go out there and you're afraid to see a movie, you don't know what's in it, it might be the best thing you ever seen” (65:30).
• Ed Larson and Jackie Zabrowski echo this sentiment, advocating for an open-minded approach to horror: “It's okay to dislike some horror movies. Horror movies... if it's a bad one, I'm not mad that I watched it” (65:21).

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Notable Quotes:

• Ed Larson on Terrifier 2: “I never thought I was going to like Terrifier at all” (10:34).
• Jackie Zabrowski on Freaks: “We have to defend this to my deathbed” (22:02).
• Henry Zabrowski on horror challenges: “You might not. You'll probably like the next one” (38:22).
• Jackie Zabrowski on movie rankings: “We're Rob Zombie apologists. We've always been this way” (46:27).

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In "Side Stories: Movie Stories II," "Last Podcast on the Left" offers a rich tapestry of horror film discussions, blending critique with personal insights. Whether dissecting the gruesome artistry of Art the Clown or celebrating the timeless dread of Freaks, the hosts provide a comprehensive guide for horror enthusiasts seeking both depth and entertainment.

Transcript

[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Ed Larson]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Ed Larson]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Jackie Zabrowski]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

That's when the cannibalism started. Side stories yes, we don't normally do this directly after good pud.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah I like how yucky I feel.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I never thought well just because I.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Consumed how was the deviled egg pudding.

[Ed Larson]

I wanted to die a very quick death.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what was really nice about it?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Honestly, I feel like I want it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You would like it.

[Ed Larson]

I should have like it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We threw it out. Just something to smell. But it was.

[Ed Larson]

The smell was pretty horrific.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it was just like honestly a more egg forward mayonnaise.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

Which that sounds like a nightmare.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I think people mayonnaise is made out of eggs.

[Ed Larson]

But see that's the thing. And you'd think like oh, it's just going to be like you're eating a bunch of mayonnaise. Which don't get me wrong, we all love to do. But it is but like add a bunch of the taste of hard boiled eggs to it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It was awesome.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So she.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, you're.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're talking like you like deviled eggs. This is what I love. It was essentially you could take that pudding and you could put it in the shell of a hard boiled egg and it would taste just like a deviled egg.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And that makes me want to cry to death.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Deviled eggs could have been an alternate title for Rosemary's Baby.

[Ed Larson]

Hey.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Deviled eggs. Intellectual film based joke.

[Ed Larson]

Oh my God, is that all we're doing here today because I am not.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Prepared today as intellectuals. Welcome to Side Stories. I'm your host, Henry Zabrowski. I'm sitting here with Ed Larson.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm smart.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, you know, when he. Dog barking. You know, when he smiles.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

A smart dog. I'm a smart dog.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's got that dog in him. He's got that dog. I'm scared of him. And we have our film correspondent, the tiny headed, big mouthed Jackie Zabrowski.

[Ed Larson]

I've got a little head. I've got a big mouth.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Tiny head. Big mouth.

[Ed Larson]

You know, here's the thing. Henry's been telling me, and I'm not gonna use the phrase gaslighting, but Henry's been telling me I have a small head my entire life. And then I went to get my head measured and I actually have a medium sized head.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Nice. I got a big one.

[Ed Larson]

Thank you. Yeah, you do have a big head.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not a big head.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

No, it could. It's not like too big.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, not you. I'm talking about her.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's a small head.

[Ed Larson]

It's a medium. It's not a small head. It's a normal sized head.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You got a small head.

[Ed Larson]

You do have a little head.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's why I'm not as famous as I should be.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yes. Cause everyone knows that famous people have gigantic heads.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That is actually. That is the truth.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Humphrey Bogart probably died younger than he should have because of the size of his head.

[Henry Zabrowski]

DiCaprio's got a huge head. Jack Black's got a huge head.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

He's got a noggin.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Huge noggin. Brad Pitt's got a huge noggin. It is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They're all tiny. With Mike Myers.

[Ed Larson]

These are all dudes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

A giant head.

[Ed Larson]

Well, yeah, of course he's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, ladies. What's weird about ladies? That they are all literally the size of Hot Pockets.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Every famous woman I saw. What's her name? What's her. She. She pretty. The Cate Blanchett. No, she'll never let me near her.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Cate Winslet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, not. She has several orders against Kate Beckinsale. Also doesn't. Doesn't want me near her. It's what's her name with the big wide eyes.

[Ed Larson]

See, we're looking at pictures right now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Who's got the eyes on either side of her head? That's Brandi.

[Ed Larson]

No, Anya Taylor Joy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the one.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah. She got a hammerhead shark head.

[Henry Zabrowski]

She's very small.

[Ed Larson]

I know, but she's sexy. It's a sexy shark.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But she's so tiny. Like, it's almost like when you see them in real life, they look like little baby people. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

But that's why I like her exaggerated, like features. I feel like that's what like really.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Seduces like an emoji.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's why she's good on camera.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

So today's episode, Furiosa was cool.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I do. Was good. It was good. I liked it. It was like a chapter, surprisingly. A fantastic turn by Chris Helmsworth.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm very impressed.

[Ed Larson]

He was very good at it.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I want to see more. I. I never thought I would say the words. I want to see more from him.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Seriously. I did not think that he would be good. But today what we are doing, because this is the spooky season, I said we have been charged with the seminal holiday task of 31 for 31. That is 31 horror films for the 31 days of October. And we wanted to do a bit of a roundup of what we've seen.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, we haven't watched all of them yet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We have not watched them. It's still in the middle of the month.

[Ed Larson]

I'm so curious as to how you guys came up with your list because I follow a rubric every year where I have to like fulfill different topics and themes to help me make sure that my list is varied.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm going to do that.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

This is pretty varied.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's pretty varied. But I love what you did, Jackie. Cuz Jackie does have. Each day is its own specific bracket. Like its own specific horror. Which also shows how many sub genres are within many horror films here. Just list off. Just list off a bunch.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Just up.

[Ed Larson]

Change some of them year to year. Cuz like, you know, you can go through the different generations, like 50s or earlier 60s, 70s, 80s. But then there's sci fi, horror, queer horror, zombies, a Wes Craven film, a Friday the 13th film. Any kind of scary kids, whether they are the bad ones or something bad happens to the kids.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Gonna give you the movie them. Yeah, sure. Which is scary kids.

[Ed Larson]

Very scary kids.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know that the diner in nightmare novel G4 is called the Craven. I'm sorry to interrupt.

[Ed Larson]

No, I love factoids. It's one of my favorite. I love man bring back popup video, pop up everything. That's why I love Joe Bob Br.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Popup movie.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, that's why I love Joe Bob.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I mean that's just me at home with my computer open while I watch a movie, which is usually what I do.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I know, but that's the thing. But then I get. I get invested and I miss important today.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, cuz you're making the producers pick and choose what they're going to tell you about the facts.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I was doing that. I was watching Franken Hooker today and I started looking at my phone to see who the actors are and I almost missed the giant pile of tits.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You just never do that, Frank.

[Ed Larson]

Never was so much fun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Franken Hooker's amazing.

[Ed Larson]

I'd never seen it before, but I.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Know we'll get my last Hen and Lauder movie, I think. But one I haven't seen Basket Case three.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You've never seen bad. Have you seen Bad Biology?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yes, we watched it for Adam W. Bachelor Party.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, that's right. Yeah, that was a lot of good Bachelor Party.

[Ed Larson]

What excites me about the different topics though, like for instance, vampire. I'm like, I've seen all the vampire movies but then I looked into like newer vampire movies that came out and there's one now, I have not heard of it at all. Called Humanist Vampire Seeking Consenting Suicidal Person. Apparently it is a dark comedy about a vampire that is just trying to like ethically be a vampire. But it's a bit really good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's a bit. It's a very indie film. And a lot of times with indie films, the only problem is that they just do stuff like they don't have any horror budget. Yeah, they have no horror. But I'm okay with that though.

[Ed Larson]

I think it's fun sometimes when you put into that box and you got to figure it out.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Blair Witch Project shows that you'd need $10,000 to make a movie. Terrifier 2 was only made for 250,000.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Terrifier 1. 35. $5,000.

[Ed Larson]

Are we going out the gate talking about terrifier? Because I watched all three terrifiers this week for the first time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Just hold one second. Before we go into any of these, I just want to make sure up top. Because of how many screaming the angry emails we get about this topic is there is going to be some light spoiler throughout the rest of this episode. It's going to be light. We're not going to talk about Terrifier 3, all right?

[Ed Larson]

Because VHS beyond. We won't get too into.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We will not talk about that. We will not talk about anything that came out this year. Maybe Joker 2. Only because we hate them.

[Ed Larson]

And we can talk about the New Salem's Lot too.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I haven't seen the New Salem's Lot. I've found most recent. Yeah, it is I haven't seen it yet. I have not seen it because it's on my list.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's not on my list. Our list, please.

[Ed Larson]

It was on my list, though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All right, so we are going to talk about what we've all seen now. Maybe we can. I think Terrifier is a good thing to start with because Terrifier 1 to me is an example of a great return to form, of old school horror iconography. Now, one thing about Terrifier 1 is that it's definitely not complete and it is definitely uneven. But the thing that stands out for me with Terrifier 1 is obviously art the Clown.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

What do you mean it's not.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Why don't you think it's complete?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, just because it feels thin. Compared to what? Terrifier 2?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, there's no plot.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, but I like that there's no plot. I like that you have. There's no lore about.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, sure. But that's why I'm saying it's amazing as a first chapter. Yes. I think that the fact that they went on to. I think that if. If. If it came out, Terrifier one came out and there was no sequel, we would eventually forget about that film.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But I think that Terrifier 2, with the addition of the lore, the blowing out of the story, a little bit more money. He. Terrifier 2, it's also the parent, the performer, the guy who plays Art, is arguably the best physical actor in horror right now, outside of what the super skinny guy. Super skinny guy.

[Ed Larson]

Doug Jones.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Doug Jones.

[Ed Larson]

He is. David Howard Thornton is unbelievable. He is. I really didn't think I was going to like Terrifier at all.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Terrifier 2 blew my mind again.

[Ed Larson]

I can't believe how much I enjoyed the first and the second one because I thought beforehand I thought this was all torture porn. And again, it is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's not torture, though. It's mutilation.

[Ed Larson]

I think it's schlocky, big violence. And I think that's very different than torture porn.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what, Jackie? I think that you're right because hostile. Like when I don't like hostile.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Hostel sucks.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I don't like hostile because it was.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

And I look like the bad guy from Hostel 2 and people yell at me in the street.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You do look like him. And I'm worried. Yeah, it's. What are you gonna do? You know, I mean, people yell at girl, what are you talking?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Let me see the girl. Will you find me? I pay money for girl every single.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Time we go Anywhere. And there's a picture of a warthog. If there's a picture of a fat bald man with a mustache, we are it. So it doesn't matter.

[Ed Larson]

And they go, why you think it's me?

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's all the same. It's all the same to us. But Terrifier, like, it really like, I feel that we miss the horror icon. And with Terrifier 2, that's why I was like. I realized watching it this time because we went and watched a double feature last night, which is one of the first times I've seen one of those in a long time.

[Ed Larson]

I had so much fun doing this with you guys.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It was fun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It was a blast. We were watching terrifier till 1 o'clock in the goddamn morning.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Because we watched Terrifier 2 and Terrifier 3 back to back. But all of us the night before, separately had watched the original. Terrifying.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Just to make sure we were locked in. But it shows it how like, I love that he said a bunch of Easter eggs in Terrifier one. That been developed in Terrifier two.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yes. Yeah, I don't know. He wrote that in Terrifier one. Or just figured he'd expand on it. Which seemed like. To me.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know what? I want to say something about Terrifier one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All right.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I have a theory because I feel a low budget filmmaking. We've been a part of it plenty of times.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, certainly.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

All right, so you know the old. You know the crazy lady in the basement of the. Of the house in Terrifier one.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

With the. With Emily the doll.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I believe that that baby doll was originally written as a baby and they couldn't afford it. And they're like. And they're like, fuck it. Makers. Craz. Crazy. She's got a doll.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah, dude.

[Ed Larson]

I love that. Also, she was a beautiful woman for how like insane and houseless she was supposed to be. I was just like, man, she seems like she's doing okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

She was a good actor and. But he openly says Damien Leone, like, as I was reading about his process was that it seemed like his whole thing was about capturing inspiring moments at the time. So he said, like stuff with Art the clown. Well, there's one spoiler. He was talking about Terrifier three.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Terrifier one. We could spo.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We can't. But there was one example he used of talking with the. With Art and being like, okay, let's do xyz. They were doing a. Together, like an experimentation of what we do with this Character and how we react. And you would let him run wild and do stuff and then kind of like they would find and source the sequences as they went. Because like, that's so fun. One of the best parts about the movie, I think the reason why it transcends from torture porn into something else is was the. The stripe of humor that runs throughout the entire thing that breaks attention.

[Ed Larson]

Genuinely funny.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Because you also.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Third movie's the funniest, I would say.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But then I would say that the last 20 minutes of the third one is the most brutal of the entire series.

[Ed Larson]

Very upsetting.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The last 20 minutes, I think, because.

[Ed Larson]

You at that point. A little bit.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Maybe it was just because I was five hours in and I was desensitized by that point. You know, I didn't give a.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it's really. It gets pretty bleak at the end of Terrifier 3, but it's awesome because it does end on a cliffhanger, I will say that. Which is pretty crazy.

[Ed Larson]

Now, have you guys seen All Hallows Eve? Which is apparently where Art the Clown originally shows.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Different dude is a different guy. And he says, as a matter of fact, the original. The makeup he wore Terrifier 2 was based on the original guy, which is why it fit him weirdly for a long time. And now he got it all redone for three, so it's more malleable. The original Art the Clown in All Hollows Leave, honestly was kind of. I. I was not. I'm not a huge fan of All Hallows Eve. It's a bit of on the list next year.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Cuz it's definitely a Halloween movie.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Very much so. But I think it's. I. I just think it's.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Is it as brutal?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, because it's the anthology series. So it's got stuff in it. I just find it that.

[Ed Larson]

I love an anthology series though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's very, very like it's very empty. Yeah. So it started with the Ninth Circle, which was the. A short film with Art the Clown. So the makeup was a thing that traveling with Damian Leone throughout all of.

[Ed Larson]

These projects, but it didn't have like, I'm assuming the same like mime work.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like they elevated it all the way up.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They probably just got a better actor with.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You also notice in Terrifier 1 the comedy is way subtler.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, there's hardly any comedy. Anything that could be Comedy in Terrifier 1 is just upsetting because he only.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Does a couple of laugh stingers. He kind of does a couple a little bit, but largely he is A gruesome, frightening clown. But again, why Terrifier 2? It's climbing up the ranks of one of my favorite sequels. I feel like it's very rare when you find that the direct sequel is better than the first one.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Where it was like, this is.

[Ed Larson]

I would say it's better. But I really also liked it a lot.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See, I think it's way better. I think it's way better. I think it's better across the board.

[Ed Larson]

I think I was more just shocked that I liked the first Terrifier so much that, you know, when you go into something thinking you're not gonna like it, and then you're like. When you're so happily surprised that I was like, oh, my God. I would definitely. Now I get. I feel like in the past, I didn't understand as someone that goes to a lot of horror cons with my husband who makes horror artwork. I feel like there's so many people that have tattoo. Yeah. Check out Crud Ink. There's so many people that have, like, tattoos of Art the Clown and stuff like that. And I never really got that because it's like, you don't see as much with, like, let's say, a jigsaw or something.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I don't think I want him on a T shirt.

[Ed Larson]

I don't.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I want Freddie on a T shirt. I want Michael Myers on a T shirt. Jason, maybe, but Art the Cloud, it's just too upsetting.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think I will say is that I. I was hesitating. This is so funny as a T shirt hoarder and a person that also views my T shirts as, like, my expressions of my style.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is the first time. And I was sitting there at the middle of Terrifier three. I was like, I think it's time. I'm getting an Art the Clown shirt.

[Ed Larson]

Wow. Ready for it?

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's entering.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They weren't selling them at the theater.

[Ed Larson]

I would have bought one if they were selling, but I was watching.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I was like, this is. He is legitimately become new favorite character of mine because of the. That's why it was like, Terrifier 2 feels like Elm Street 3 and Terrifier 3 feels like Elm Street 4. It's very similar vibes, and they're very similar. I love the soundtrack. I love the entire atmosphere. And there's just something about Art the Clown just having a good time.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that's all it's about. He's just having a good time. All of the stuff that he does is simply before his own enjoyment.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know, what's interesting is every scene is brutal.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Everything's brutal. But, like, it's like a different style of horror every time. Because one time it's like a horror comedy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

And then it just goes to, like, straight up, like, sorority murder.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

And then it goes to like, you know, and it just like sends genres.

[Ed Larson]

Inside of the horror genre, which is really fun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It adds layers. It feels like he's creating you. It's also one of the first times, honestly, that I've seen a final girl that I.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

She was great.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Felt that emotional connection to. She was fantastic. Because also, Kate Corcoran was in terrifier.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

1 after interviewing her and hanging out with her. What was her name?

[Ed Larson]

Lauren Lavera.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Lauren Lavera. Unbelievable job. But Kate Corcoran, we interviewed her during the pool party, the LPM pool party. I interviewed her. She was very lovely. And I didn't enjoy watching her get killed.

[Ed Larson]

I did not know how she died and I was very surprised.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I will say. I like watching my friends get murdered on camera. I think it's fun. I think it's fun as hell because everybody that's ever been in those movies, they love getting killed.

[Ed Larson]

Although, I don't know. I know someone that was in one of those movies and said, wow, you were just naked and being hung from a place.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Quite some time. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Natalie did it. She's like. That's one of those things. It's a part of the pain that you're supposed to feel of the whole thing.

[Ed Larson]

It's difficult to. But it's difficult.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

It's difficult to be very, very good at. And Lauren Lavera is really killing this here. But I was sad because, honestly, what I texted you guys this morning, I genuinely had a bad dream last night with the little girl clown that is in Terrifier 2.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

That's the best one.

[Ed Larson]

Little girl clown creeped me the fuck out. And I genuinely had a nightmare about it last night.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That little girl is so good.

[Ed Larson]

She's so good in it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Terrifier 2 is really good.

[Ed Larson]

I did have fun with Terrifier 3, and I like that it's always have a soft spot for a Christmas horror movie.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, me too. I think if I rewatch any of them, it'll be Terrifier three.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Really?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Versus Terrify two.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think Terrifying two is like. It's my favorite of them.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It is just like, if I could be honest, like, I really enjoyed it. It's very good. It's a good horror movie. The story is actually good.

[Ed Larson]

It's good.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's just hard to watch.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Bodies get ripped apart like.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It is just like. They don't shy away from showing you anything. That's why I like it. It's just like. And it's just like, okay, we're just gonna take the jaw off the face.

[Ed Larson]

But I also like. And yet, though, he's not involved.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Eddie did such a good job.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

We were sitting the last row.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I didn't. It was a couple of times when you hear him go like. And I was like, eddie, you're so strong. You're doing so good.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

But like, I've watched horror movies my entire life, you know, it's not like, this is just. It's just so brutal.

[Ed Larson]

No, but again, I like that he's not above just pulling out a gun. I think that's also fun.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

That flipped me out.

[Ed Larson]

I was so surprised.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I've never seen a slasher fucking just all of a sudden pop up, pop, pop, pop.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the best part. But I was like, that's. He's an equal opportunity killer. He's a. Again, he is a chaos agent. He reminds me of Freddy Krueger and he reminds me of that same thing.

[Ed Larson]

Thank you for not brutally showing children being murdered. As someone that. That does actually kind of make me nauseous.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I know I'm not like, holding back on killing children.

[Ed Larson]

Killing children.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But I think it's awesome.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's a happy medium.

[Ed Larson]

It's a happy medium.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's a happy medium watching children get killed on film. And I think that it's fun when you show that Art the clown does not give a fuck. And it's like. Because what I also love is that.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Was my favorite part in Looper when he fucking killed that kid.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, Terrifier three apparently finally got a chance for him to get some huge, huge budgets. And there's an opening sequence of Terrifier 3 that apparently made everyone say no.

[Ed Larson]

Everybody said.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And I was just like. When I watched it, I was like, this is my film.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Terrifier 3. And Terrifier 2. Terrify 3 more than Terrifier 2. I felt like there was stuff that they had to leave out in order to release the film.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Which. In which one?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

In Terrifier three, I feel like there was full scenes removed.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, buddy. Fully independently. Really made it completely independently. That man's free. Damien Leone.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, talking about for the MPAA.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's not rated NC17. It's rated R, Right?

[Henry Zabrowski]

What is it? It might be rated. It Might be unrated. Oh, I don't know.

[Ed Larson]

Not rated.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, it's completely independent. That's what's awesome, is that they got to do whatever they wanted.

[Ed Larson]

I honestly didn't. I never thought about.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You just don't get certain support. He can't. He probably can't go get it nominated for things, but then that's. Whatever. He doesn't give a. Yeah, he's not.

[Ed Larson]

Looking to get it nominated, but we have to.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's just where, like, I will defend this to my deathbed, which is what he does. Right. Is the fact that he goes so over, over, over the top. Because I do think that there is, like, Natalie and I talk about, like, one of our main issues with essentially torture porn is when it's realistic and not entertaining, when it literally is just torturing someone in a realistic fashion, and it's just crying and screaming and there's nothing else going on. This is not realistic when he grabs somebody. Because the thing is, you realize it's all supernatural violence. There are things that you're doing that humans can't do. Even in Fire one, we talked about how when they do that very famous kill of Kate where they hang her upside down naked and split her in half, where it's like. That is ludicrous. Like. And so on that level, while it's a horrific sight, it's also so.

[Ed Larson]

So over the top.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're just like. It really. It's. It's more.

[Ed Larson]

It's Art the Clown.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You say when he did, like. Can we talk about that scene for two seconds from Terrifier 1?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, sure.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Because that's old enough now, you know, like, so she was hung up. Step down and cut. Vagina first in half with a. With a chainsaw. Not a chainsaw.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I honestly felt like it was too quick.

[Ed Larson]

Well, that would have taken more.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

That would take, like, 20 minutes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But that's why I explained to you is that. That's why it's okay. Is because legitimately, they split the person in half quickly to show you how impossible it would be. It is not in any way realistic.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what I mean? It is not. It could not happen that way. The way it happening is, like, it's entirely, essentially comical.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. We're watching, and you can see we're.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Looking at Terrifier one. You can really see how much worse the makeup is, too. Right? Isn't that crazy?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah. Well, then you think about, well, they got more money.

[Ed Larson]

I'm gonna say a A scene that I'm gonna assume is like an homage to this scene that happens in terrifier 3. You can tell definitely the difference then because of all the closer up shots of the sawing motions through the body part that it was sawing through.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Also, Damien Leone does the makeup.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He does it all.

[Ed Larson]

Really.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He had help in three. He had help in three. He had help.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Okay. Yeah. But it's so impressive to me.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, that's the reason why I believe two took four years to make.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

No.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, it took like 2018. I don't think it came out until.

[Ed Larson]

And people were complaining because it was too long. But as someone that watched it late at night, I didn't think it was too. I thought it ripped by.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Apparently it could have been a little shorter.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It took about. I think it could have been no movie. Unless it is. There is. I now realize that this is where I'm at. I'm at is that if it is not Peter Jackson's original Lord of the Rings uncut, it does not need to be longer than.

[Ed Larson]

That's why the first terrifier is so perfect. Because it is 90 minutes. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But that's why terrifier three is. Is got my vote. More. Because it's not two and a half hours long.

[Ed Larson]

Terrifier is two hours and two minutes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Are we mad that they left Halloween and moved to Christmas without even explaining themselves?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, no.

[Ed Larson]

Thanksgiving. No, not a moment of Thanksgiving.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Absolutely not. I love. I love, love that they went to Christmas. Please. Yeah, I love that he just went to school.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Ah.

[Ed Larson]

I just love Christmas horror movies.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

But why not make it come out in December?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because then this is how. This is how they make their money.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Because then you're gonna watch it now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm gonna rent it. We're gonna watch for Christmas. Oh, yeah. We're showing the backyard.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Do you think there's ever they would. They would do a terrifier maze? Because the terrifier is like its own maze.

[Ed Larson]

It must be.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

But Universal would have to, like, sign off on it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well.

[Ed Larson]

Or they have to pay a lot of money.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They rent the character because in two, like, they spend time in a clown haunted house.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I know. They must have used one. It looked like they used one that was already existing.

[Ed Larson]

We just went to a great clown haunted house over at the Queen Harbor. The. The big scary ship. And they have a really good big top haunt that you can walk through. And it's a bunch of like, you know, I feel like your brain is, you know, interspersed between. Am I Attracted to these scary clowns.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're the only person. Yeah, you're the only person.

[Ed Larson]

But it was also just really good.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

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[Ed Larson]

The terrifying movies are made for instance for body horror this year I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I've never seen Tetsuo and I'm so excited.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Tetsuo, you're going to be underwhelmed.

[Ed Larson]

Oh really? No, I was excited.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's horrifying. It's really gross. I haven't seen it since college.

[Ed Larson]

Tetsuo the Iron Man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I haven't seen it since college. It's a really good old fashioned. Everybody gets freaked out It's a guy's turning into metal. It is.

[Ed Larson]

It makes me think of Ton. Remember Ton?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, Ton was good.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But this was. I liked it a lot. And I think that it's very. It's. It's an art film.

[Ed Larson]

Okay. All right, I'll give it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what I would say that was. I forgot just how truly powerful it was. Is Freaks.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah. It's good film.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And when we want. So we watched in a backyard up on the projector screen and on that scale, it's so good. And you kind of forget that the point of view of the movie is really about. So those of you who don't know, it is about a strong man and a new. I believe it's like something like somebody does the trapeze, like the trees artist. They essentially go to scam out one of the lead little people that are a group of these. These people that work at a sideshow. These freaks. So called. Four years old, by the way, from 1932. Yeah. And. And the movie has an undeniable atmosphere of real dread. It was done by Todd Browning, who also did Dracula.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it is a. It's a wonderful movie. But one of my favorite things is sort of like it's kind of about how they're equal to everybody else.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like we're supposed to be quote unquote, terrified of the freaks. But actually the freaks are an extremely loyal family and what they are, which is why we like. I think it's a precursor.

[Ed Larson]

And the furious.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, very simp on her. I feel like it's also why we like things like the Firefly flammy family from Rob Zombie films. And why we like, they're loyal to each other.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Loyalty with children.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They have something with. It's like they love each other. There's a heart there. And there's something about Freaks about how especially the. The guy that plays Hans Harry Earls when he's this little little person and this way he does that little statement where he's just like, just because I am small, small does not mean that I am not a man. And he says this very powerful. Like he is this powerful little man. Right. And the revenge they get is wonderful. And. But it was also supposed to be far more graphic originally. The strong man was. So if those of you so spoiler Freaks kill them. Yeah, right. They turn. Well, they turn the lady. They turn the Grandam Cleopatra into a duck woman. They cut her legs and arms off. It's one of probably at the time.

[Ed Larson]

Is that killing her or giving Her a better life.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You give me hash. Duck life. And so they. The end of the movie, it leaves on this picture of the duck woman, which at the time apparently, like, people would run screaming out of the theater. It's great, right? And it's awesome. It's even now haunting. It's kind of silly, but it's also haunting. But apparently, originally you saw them in their stills. The movie is 65 minutes long. It was originally 90 minutes long. The freaks. This movie was because of the nature of the movie and just straight up the two realness of having people with actual.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I mean, they barely have sound in movies at this point.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Like, this was less than 10 years old.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Extremely intense.

[Ed Larson]

It's on my list of 1950s or earlier because I've never seen it before. So it's great to check it out.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's great.

[Ed Larson]

But it does hold up. And you do recommend people.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, absolutely.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wonderful.

[Ed Larson]

Hell yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I've never seen it before and I loved it.

[Ed Larson]

Hell yeah. That's great.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But the very end, the freaks rise up and they get their revenge. But in the original cut, they had a cut 30 minutes. Because this movie is what created the rating system United States of America for film like this. The Hays Code. All this stuff was made after this movie came out.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

And then terrifier told shove it up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's kind of amazing that it's almost like from Freaks to Terrifier 3. Like, think about that long road. It's almost 100 years.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And Freaks is got. But the original ending was that the. The. Apparently you watch them overpower the strongman, which you do see. But then they cut off his dick and balls. And then he. In the end, you. And then they show you mutilating. Apparently originally they mutilated her on camera. And then originally the ending was him singing castrata in a. This sort of like weird side circus. And then you see her as the duck woman. Wow. Which I've never seen real castratos. Can you look that up?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I think it's a real thing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Castratos are real.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah. It was real.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I do believe there is one piece of evidence of castratos still singing.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, I know eunuchs exist, but they're not necessarily castrata.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, a eunuch is one. A castrato is a eunuch that can go. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

[Ed Larson]

I guess it depends on what happened to you.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Here we go. I got this right here, Mark. Right here. Here. A modern castrato. Not fals. That's a dude.

[Ed Larson]

Hell yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No balls.

[Ed Larson]

Sounds great.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Sounds great.

[Ed Larson]

I bet. Though I'm going to say sounded great before.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah. I mean, what are you going to say? The same thing for the lead singer of Boston.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what I love is the assignments here. All these comments are my favorite. I've learned so much just from the video and from reading the comments. Wow. His voice is so, so beautiful. Such a lovely case of turning something many would deem imperfect into an advantage. Incredibly admirable.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I would say one thing about the 31 for 31 that I understand that we had to present our list to the fan base and stuff, but I would have liked to build my list as you go. Yeah. Because now I feel like I'm stuck to this fucking list when there's so many other movies I'm excited for. Oh, we're gonna have to wait till November.

[Ed Larson]

Spaces. I always leave a couple of W card spaces so that I can just add in whatever as I go along.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Here's another comment on the castrato voice. I see why they did such a practice now. The voice quality is unlike anything else that I've heard before.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, thank you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's just sad the amount of boys who were castrated annually for this.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

See, I just think it's actually, you know, Mangler. This is from Mangler too.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cool.

[Ed Larson]

I just feel like the 31 for 31 is kind of nice because it takes away the pressure of having to choose what you're going to watch because then it just like from this list, you got to take something from this list.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Thank you for sharing. He has such a beautiful and rich voice.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know what?

[Ed Larson]

You're lost in castrado world over here.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I will say that I've watched a good amount of movies now and I've only disliked one of them.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What was the one you disliked?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

The first Hatchet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See, that's so funny.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Cuz I put dog.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I put hatchet on there. We actually probably got people connected to it, which is fine. But like I told old Eddie, I put hatchet in there because I thought you'd like Hatchet.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, Hatchet two is a whole nother story.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

The first hatchet is just tough to watch. Adam Green, comedy fan as like someone who writes comedy and loves horror comedy. Being in a sketch group from I.

[Ed Larson]

Don'T love horror comedy, so I think that's why I haven't checked this out. But you got to be good at the comedy as well as the horror.

[Henry Zabrowski]

If you're gonna do it Hatchet silly. But I would. When you get to Hatchet 2. Tell me what you think.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm excited for Hatchet 2. I've heard nothing but good things about Hatchet 2 and I didn't want to watch it until I saw Hatchet one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, I really like you to do. Because I just figured you'd really like Hatchet.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Also you really like it. So try the sequels.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I mean, I don't have a choice.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No.

[Ed Larson]

Now I will say a horror comedy I think that we all enjoy is Frankenhooker, though.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I watched that this morning.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Frankenhooker's a fucking classic.

[Ed Larson]

Is. I had never seen it before. I pulled it because it was on yalls list and I had. Because again, I'm not always that big into horror comedy.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

On Peacock if you want to watch it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

It is so much fun. It is an hour and 20 minutes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It.

[Ed Larson]

And it is just. It's tight. It's silly, it's gory.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Also, it's like. And it's rude.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's rude film.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's very old school. It's very, very old school. But I think that it holds up. I think that even now in our more enlightened age, I mean, if you.

[Ed Larson]

Get upset about the use of the word hooker, it's not the movie for you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Guess who's not making.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's a genre flip whatever exploitation, you know, like what we.

[Ed Larson]

In 1990. You know, it's not.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

And it's clearly a comedy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's also an awesome name and you should be so lucky to call yourself a Franken hooker.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All right. Because that's what I think.

[Ed Larson]

I think I love to be one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I own it. Because also she's beautiful.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Also, I watched Bride of Frankenstein this week.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See, I also was really excited for you to see Break Bride of Frankenstein because it's a gay allegory.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I don't see it.

[Ed Larson]

That's why you were excited for him.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I don't think it's a gay al.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

He wanted the woman.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was being forced to be with her.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

He wasn't being forced.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's sexless.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

He wanted the woman he was excited.

[Henry Zabrowski]

When she shot him down Frank and killed everybody.

[Ed Larson]

So you're saying that he was forced to be sis and this is the like the. His biggest problem.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Also she's not even in the movie.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's cuz it's.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Sorry I'm yelling.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's. Eddie's angry today. So she's not even in the movie.

[Ed Larson]

Gets angry when it's the two of us talking. About movies and I don't know why.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I like to yell. I just miss you guys.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We. We are upset.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm just yelling.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I know.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We know. We just get scared.

[Ed Larson]

We get triggered. All right? Sometimes we get triggered, Eddie.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, but Brian Frankenstein was good, but it's basically Frankenstein the first movie and then at the very end there's a chick. Yeah, it's fucking pointless.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Gay reading?

[Ed Larson]

Hell yeah, man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

In the decade since his release, modern film scholars such as myself have noted the possible gay interpretation. Possible? Director James Whale was openly gay and some of the actors in the cast, including Ernest Thesica and according to rumor, Colin Klopp 5, were respectively gay or bisexuals.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm glad everyone was gay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Although James Curtis Whale's biographer, rejects the notion that Whale would have identified with the monster from a homosexual perspective, scholars have perceived a gay subtext suffused throughout the film, especially a camp sensibility particularly embodied in the character of Pretorius. And his relationship with.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Pretorius is gay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's just. He doesn't know where to see it.

[Ed Larson]

Whoa.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, who cares about him? He's a bad guy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

We talk about Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, Monster. And the monster, whose effect is for the male hermit and the female bride he discusses with identical language. Friend has been interpreted as sexually unsettled and bisexual.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

He's just chilling with the blind guy.

[Ed Larson]

Is a goddess, by the way.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's pure. Frankenstein's monster is pure, is he? He was just a child. That's how I view him as he.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Was talking too much in this one too.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He is more talkative in this one. I think that Bride of Frankenstein is my favorite of the Frankenstein films.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I would like to see whatever the return of Bride of Frankenstein when we actually see her. K. That's what I was there for.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not about kicking ass, it's about the love allegory about sexuality.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

The only love that exists in this film is with Dr. Frankenstein and his soon to be wife.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Indeed, Frankenstein's relationship, Frankenstein sponsored relationship with their hermit has been interpreted as a same sex marriage that heterosexual society will not tolerate. No mistake. This is a marriage and a viable one. But Whale reminds us quickly that society does not approve the monster. The outside was driven from this scene of domestic pleasure by two gun toting rubes who happened upon this startling alliance and quickly, instinctively proceeded.

[Ed Larson]

But he's saying with the accento, Eddie, I don't know if that's destroyed the.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Creation of the bride scene. According to cultural critic Gary Morris, as it continues Is Wales reminded to the audience, his Hollywood bosses, peers, and everyone watching of the majesty and powerful of the homosexual creator.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Also, did you see in the. What is that?

[Ed Larson]

I'm Oscar Isaac.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, it's a new. It's a new Frank Frankenstein.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah. Del Toro.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Who's the monster? Somebody. Somebody like handsome Oscar Isaac. No, he's the Doctor.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, he is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Whoa.

[Ed Larson]

Jacob Elordi. Is Jacob Elordi Frankenstein?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm sorry, who's Jacobi?

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's the big.

[Ed Larson]

He's big old boy. The one from Salzburg. Big boy from Salt.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Everybody likes his.

[Ed Larson]

He's. He's a very good.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

He did the El Pa should not be that hot.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I hate this.

[Ed Larson]

You just hate. You hate when pretty people play ugly things. I know.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

He should be the Doctor.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He should be somebody. He should be Pretorious.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Now who's yelling?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, no, I'm yelling.

[Ed Larson]

I just. I feel like every. This is just ugly.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I wanted to be.

[Ed Larson]

You're just angry. You were never going to be Frankenstein.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, you were never going to be Frankenstein.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Was. He's short.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is called Ad hominem attacks. This is not about me, all right? This is about uglier. I'm talking about uglier. Big, bigger people. This is should have been played by. You know who should have played this? Luca. Don Chick.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Look at that. Or, you know who I really would have liked to see do it is Batista.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But he's not tall enough.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, he's so thick.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, he's like my size.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You really don't need anyone who could.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Speak to do this, is what I'm saying, Jackie.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It doesn't need to be Jacob Elordi. You're going to cover him in makeup.

[Ed Larson]

You need a big old boy.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

That's all he's doing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

That's why Rob Zombie has Tyler Maine. I. We just watched the rob zombies Halloween 2007, and everyone told me it was so good. Everyone's like, it's so bad. I. You know, I went into it being like, okay, this Rob Zombies Halloween, we're not gonna enjoy it. But I've never seen it, so. And we need something to do. It's great. I actually really enjoyed it. And I understand the issue that a lot of people don't like that they added in a backstory to Michael Myers rather than him just being more just like the pure evil that he is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Also, people don't like that. They're all goth and shit, too, that everyone. They like everyone being pure. And then Michael coming and killing the pure people.

[Ed Larson]

And the Pure people and pure evil. Exactly.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know, like, so I get it. But like, I love it.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. I like what Ro. Rob Zombie did to it. And I know that a lot of people like, oh my God, how he writes women and stuff. Like. Yeah, that's like the thing though. It's funny.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's a trashy horror movie.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's specifically writing it in that style. He's going off of old grindhouse films. It is specifically to.

[Ed Larson]

Exactly. It's grindhouse rather than slasher. And again, those are two different sometimes genres.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But also I think that Damon Lyon is taking quite a bit from Rob Zombie's directing style.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Absolutely.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What I have loved.

[Ed Larson]

That's why. Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What I love, love about Rob Zombie's films. And again, we're. We're Rob Zombie apologists. We've always been this way. That's how we are.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I like them.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Most people dislike it.

[Ed Larson]

A lot of people don't like it.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, they can go themselves.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly. Exactly, Eddie. But I think there's something about.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Made some movies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sure.

[Ed Larson]

He certainly has.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm not saying last batch has been rough. His last batch been rough. But the. That.

[Ed Larson]

But I watch them all.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What Damen Leone has done is realize like they're extremely good at Rob Zombie. Tone shifts awesomely. Like he does this great thing, especially in the Devil's Rejects world. In that like world where he portrays.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

The first third of that movie is almost unwatchable and then the rest of it's a comedy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I love it. I absolutely love Devil's ridiculous. Probably top five horror film.

[Ed Larson]

It's one of my favorite horror movies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And the. But the thing about is the. The way he portrays the innocent is funny because he obviously. And like he shows contempt for the inn.

[Ed Larson]

Can't wait to kill them.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, he shows contempt for the innocent, which is for us as a viewer. I love. I love as a truly morbid person, like.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, God, Terrifier three.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But. Terrifier three. But actually it's more moments than you thought it deserved. It actually had more good stuff.

[Ed Larson]

I shut it off.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, no, I finished it. It wasn't that bad. L. Super Beasto is unwatchable.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Unwatchable.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

31 unwatchable.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, yes. But the rest of them are fine. And then the new one, the new. The. The sequel, the third third, Devil's Rejects was.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, my God.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But I just feel bad because Sid Hague was.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Why did they drag him there? I guess he needed something to do.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They were just trying. Literally according to Rob Zombie, they were just trying to get him on Film.

[Ed Larson]

One Less One Last Time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And so that was gonna get someone.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Out of the house because also, Sid.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Haig was supposed to be the guy that replaced him. And he was not supposed to. He was supposed to be in the entire movie.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And then he got replaced, so the whole thing got changed. So that I can understand. But Three From Hell. Damon Leone does it so well, especially in Terrifier three because, like, you know, spoilers. But you. The whole, like, all of the sentimentality. Like, he does this thing where the music kicks in and it's like, emotional and it's like a good drama scene. Like, he's made these, like a couple things. Like a good old fashioned, like, that's.

[Ed Larson]

A, like, beautiful family.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It reminds me of Elm Street. It reminds me of a thing of we're caring. You are making me, like, hear about these people. Well, I'm watching all of these tremendously lovely people that I know that. That are all gonna be fucked and tortured. And I'm so excited for it as a viewer, I'm. I can't wait. And that's what it is. It's almost like when Rob Zombie does it, when Damon Leone does it. It's almost like, you know, they say you put a little salt on the watermelon.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that's what makes taste good.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, God.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He put it salt sample.

[Ed Larson]

You just reminded me of a scene from Terrifier too.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's good to take the watermelon, you put it in the ocean and eat it that way. That's a good trick. You want? I got a fun Sid Hag story.

[Ed Larson]

Tell us the Sid Haig story.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

So I'm at Montreal Comedy Festival doing warm up for Roast Battle, the TV show, and there's a lot of celebrities in the audience. It's like, full, like. Like half of the X Men are there because they were filming in Montreal at the time. It was like, crazy. And then as I'm warming up, you know, you're calling them out and like, that I see Sid Haig in the audience. And I was like, whoa. I was like, that's the celebrity I want to meet, Sid Hague. And I was like, give it up for Sid Hague, everybody. You know, like, blowing up his spot. And. And it wasn't him. It was just some ugly dude. Oh, no.

[Ed Larson]

Well, at least you roasted him real good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Honestly. It does help. Yeah, it does help. He's like, at least I look like somebody.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

That's the thing is like, you know, but no one knows who the Sid hang is.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

That's sad.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They should have. He was like.

[Ed Larson]

He's very nice though, my husband. I know, I know. He's dead now. He was a. He was nice when he was a live. Is what I'm saying.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now he's cold and food for the worms.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah. But Bride of Frankenstein, it was good. It was fine. But like what I did of their classic. We have a classic section.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

And I also watched American Werewolf in.

[Henry Zabrowski]

London, which I figured you'd love.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I've seen it before, but I never finished it because it's so slow. And I always watched it when I was super young.

[Ed Larson]

I think I've always fallen asleep while watching End rocks. So make it so Started again rocks.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

So good.

[Ed Larson]

Okay, great.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I loved American Werewolf in London. It's funny. It's like got a great story and character development. I can't.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Everyone should just go out and make sure they watch that. On the 31.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I do have a correction. I was wrong on the title of the film that I had entered into.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I need this. I need this.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I have redone it because I realized it was not the film that I thought it was. I'm a. I've changed it. I'm going to change it officially. We'll put it onto socials.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, I will say with our 32 movies on our 31.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I forgot. I forgot. Yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

So you could just take.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I could just take it off, but I'm adding the House October Built, which I also think is an extremely. Because I added all found footage section because I'm A for found footage beyond, bro. I'm going to see it. I haven't seen it yet. I've been waiting. The Houses October Built is.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, you added it to the list.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I did. It's extremely scary. I think it's really good.

[Ed Larson]

Is it?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I really like it. I also forgot how much I love the original. Original vhs.

[Ed Larson]

The original VHS is great. But again, VHS beyond I. Because I feel like the last couple of VHS's were not, you know, within any of them.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm excited for the first one.

[Ed Larson]

The best part about anthology movies is that like, well, if switches it up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

You might not. You'll probably like the next one. And I've liked at least two in every single vhs.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I saw the wedding scene in VHS too, and that was pretty cool.

[Ed Larson]

And it's a fun one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's great. But. But also that one has the best binding glue of all of them. The vhs. The original has a really good binding glue. In terms of the runner bit, the theme the theme bit is good.

[Ed Larson]

That's why I like VHS beyond, because I didn't know anything about it. We just popped it on. I didn't realize it was all alien stories and.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, I did not know it was.

[Ed Larson]

All aliens alien stories and. God. Jeff knew the name of the dude that is the through line. Like, apparently he's this. You're gonna know who he is. It's some big alien dude that does these, like, interstitials in between.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Nice.

[Ed Larson]

But what I like is that Alien is very different in every section. Like, it's all.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think they're getting better at making these.

[Ed Larson]

Justin Long makes a really fun one. It's stuff that you don't expect, and I really enjoyed it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, you know, I really like the first one, but also I put another one of my truly favorite found footage movies on here. Lake Mungo.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, Lake Mungo is fun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You've ever seen it?

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah, we did it last.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I haven't gotten to it yet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Lake Mon Congo. It's got Twin Peaks vibes.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it's very good.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

All right. Very good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

David Scoby. That we could be very scary.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm very excited for that. You know what? Going back to the anthology horror movies that I. I like the ones from the 90s. There's two in particular that I watched a bunch growing up that I wish that I need now. I want to re watch them.

[Ed Larson]

Tales of Terror?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

No, but Tales from the Hood.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Body Bags is great. It's on shudder.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, is it? I don't have Shutter.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's great. It's worth it always. I've been chilling for Shutter for forever, but Tales from the Hood is my favorite July 4th horror movie. Now. I don't know what it is. There's something about that movie. I've watched it on July 4th.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Almost every soundtrack's great, too, by the way.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's great. There's something about this movie that makes me think of the sins of America. That it is just great. Until. Except for the one time, man, I will say, though, it's Movie two, it's one issue about me choosing the movie is that I have to remember because it's like, sometimes I'll choose a movie and I'll be like, everybody's gonna love this. And, like, we did something we had people had over. I was like, I'll throw there was like, let's throw on a movie. And I was like, tales from the Hood. And I put it on and everyone was sad. Yeah, I forgot that. Yeah, People get really Sad with this movie, too, but I was like, but it's got the little penny. It's got a little penny in it. Yeah, but it's. Which is still one of my favorite side characters of all time that I miss from the 90s as well.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, Penny.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, you remember a little penny.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah, I remember I was an Orlando Magic fan and Anthony Hardaway.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Now, that's why there are just certain movies that I love to throw on that are completely mindless. Now, this is my first time going through the. So every year we add on a new Friday the 13th and I'm going to be real with you. Two years ago, I had never seen the Original Friday the 13th, so.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, really?

[Ed Larson]

We watched the next one. So last year we watched the second one. This year we watched the third one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Third one.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know, it's the worst one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

It really wasn't as bad as I thought it was, I guess, because everyone told me it was the worst one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Then you were preparing.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, he's not even in it.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, no, he isn't it. He's in this one. This is where he gets the mask.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, then it's four. He's not in.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, this is the one. No, this is the one where he act like he gets the mask for the first time rather than just wearing the hood. So I never realized, like, the origin of these.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

No mask.

[Ed Larson]

And I really. Because this is my first, like, time going through this series, I really thought that, like, oh, by the time you get to the third one, it's going to be a real stinko, Stinko, stinko. And sure, it's mindless. It's not like reinventing the Friday.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, it's not.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Wait till you get till seven. Seven's badass.

[Ed Larson]

But I'm excited to go on the journey of, like, as it goes up and down through time when they're. Oh, yeah, make another one. Put another one on.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And sometimes I was like, I will say, and this probably where I get the most flack is that I think The Friday the 13th is my least favorite of the bit. Top.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, because it's clearly a knockoff. Yeah, it's clearly a kn.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I like what Jason ended up being. I like what he got to. I like the later on ones. Yeah. But it's like, one day I'll come back to it because it's funny because both Natalie and I's least favorite.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You ever see the movies that made us of. Of Friday the 13th?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's a night. There was a nightmare. Everyone got hurt. Like, it was terrible. Like, it was.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What, the reboot?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

No, the Original Friday the 13th with Kevin Bacon and.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They. They have the movies that made us through. Like, the documentaries on Netflix. They have one of about that, and it was just like. It was a nightmare to make.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Of course. That's great. Yeah, of course. No money down the middle of the woods.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah. Just torturing everyone involved.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hell, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

But again, I do want to say about Friday 13th part three, I had. I was very stoned while I watched it, so it really was. Don't, you know, go into it thinking that your life is about to be changed.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Okay. Yeah, That's Jason Lives.

[Ed Larson]

No, this is Friday the 13th part three.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, no.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

What's the tag, though?

[Ed Larson]

It's just Part Part three.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, j. It is Jason Lives, I guess.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, it is Jason. Oh, no, it is Part three.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Okay. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, man. That's like. And that's why we. It's good to do because, like, you never know the gems inside of the franchise.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know what?

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like Hellraiser. Hellraiser is my favorite. Is my favorite of all the franchises. Yeah. But the. Because I like the bad ones, too. I'm a Hellraiser 3. Stan. Ooh.

[Ed Larson]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, Cube's bad.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I remember gleaming the Cube, but that was like an action movie.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, that was an action. I just.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cube is not as good as you remember it, so.

[Ed Larson]

I remember the vhs.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We're all talking.

[Ed Larson]

I.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's what you forget. You think you forget about Cube because I went to go rewatch it and I was, like, tired or whatever, and it's. You're like, oh, yeah. Cause the fucking. All of the visual elements of cube are awesome. And you're like, oh, this is gonna be scary. Is it not just talking. Damn it.

[Ed Larson]

It's hard to find good every year because, you know, we do 50s or earlier 60s, 70s, 90s, you know, 80s, and we do all of it 90s every year. I'm just like, all right, well.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cause sometimes they are real hit and miss.

[Ed Larson]

Because I've seen, don't get me wrong, you can always watch, like, Scream again. You can watch 13 goes. 13 goes. I want to watch new ones, though. I'm trying to find ones that I've never seen.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think that Jackie.

[Ed Larson]

But there's usually a reason why you haven't seen them.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. And you've seen quite a bit of horror film.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I was talking to Julie about this, this week where we were just talking about horror movies in general. And she was like. She asked a very interesting question, which I'm going to pose to you. And then I'll ask the question from Julie to me and I'll answer it for me. But I want to hear your all's answers. She asked, I'm Julie. Well, you don't know the question.

[Ed Larson]

I'm Eddie. Am I Eddie?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm Julie.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm both. You're you. Leave my wife out of it. You can say whatever you want about me.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Okay?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

No, but she asked me, which horror movie have you seen that you wish you wrote? And I was like, oh, my God. And I was like.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I was like.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

But I. I couldn't help. I really. I sat there and I thought about it, and I think the horror movie I wish I wrote that I like the most in a weird way. Tales from the Crypt, Demon Night.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I like it. That's a good one. You're not overshooting it. No, it's not like, I wish I wrote Hereditary.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're not overshooting it.

[Ed Larson]

That makes sense. Because honestly, first thought that came to my mind, Psycho Goreman.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Ooh, I love Psycho Gorman.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They got a new one coming out.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They've got a new.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, my God. I love Psycho Gore Man. And I love Just like that. Talk about a horror comedy. That does it, right? That is so like. I guess it's more a sci fi comedy than.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's pretty hard.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. But there's also horror elements.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They're ripping people apart.

[Henry Zabrowski]

My honest opinion is that if there was one I wish I could write is something in the stuff style basically of the Ring.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Ooh, there's something simple. Something simple.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's my cue, is that if you're going to be scary. It's so. Scary is so hard. Yeah, scary is so like. It's just like funny. It's entirely subjective. Pretty much like you are. Do. Everybody has their own parameters, what they find scary or. Or what or not whatnot. And it's also like. It's about timing and it's about how do I deliver this idea so simply and into the person's brain, you know, I mean, like, that's what dread is. Dread is like. It's weird how dread in films are. It's off by like inches. Like you can tell, like, why when I'm watching David Lynch.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, dread is the emotion locked in. I was thinking of Dread the movie.

[Henry Zabrowski]

When I'm watching David Lynch. There's something about the way it's literally about the composition of the shot and the timing and the atmosphere that he knows technically that allows you to feel this sense of thick, purposeful dread. But you can tell the difference between the movies that are dreadful and extremely boring. But I don't quite know what that difference is. But you know that it's a difference.

[Ed Larson]

It's different for everybody too.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It does. It's entirely subjective. But I mostly find that people who don't have budgets think that they can pull off dread and they don't understand that dread is probably one of the most complex filmic elements of the horror.

[Ed Larson]

Genre and what you do with less. I actually was thinking about. I just saw that it's open for streaming. I talked about it in the last one that we did, talking about horror movies. Oddity. That's another movie that, like, I feel like for some people might come off as boring, but I was so, like, wrapped the entire time the movie, the thread that was created from it that I thought was like really creepy imagery. Very, very unsettling.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The movie that I always think of as the biggest failure in that is that. What was the one with Harry Potter, that stupid garbage horror movie that he did.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

No, not Tusk.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the Kevin movie. It was like the Black House.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I didn't bother with.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like those type of movies. It's kind of how I felt about. Unfortunately, it's how I felt about the show Shape of Water.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, I love the Shape of Water.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The Shape of Water. Dread. And then also fortunately, Kel Toro's other movie, the. The gothic horror that he did, where.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I was just fan.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Labyrinth. No, not that one. The. Not Horns. Not horns.

[Ed Larson]

Not horns.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Horns is good.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

That's what I was thinking though, of Tusk, though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's why no horns is good. The one that he has to, like.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Staple the guns to his.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like he goes to Kimbo is good. There's one where he was like. It's like he's in front of a house, and they're like, it's sad in there. I was a ghost in that house.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know, the Woman in Black.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That movie sucks dick.

[Ed Larson]

Daniel Radcliffe movie.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the movie sucks. The movie. It sucks dick. Well, you know what I find?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I like Daniel Radcliffe.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I do, too, love him. I think he's doing great. I love his work. I just think that that mo. It's not. That was not his fault. I'm just showing. That's an example of a movie that thinks it's dreadful.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

But it's just, you know what movies drink Dreadful. It follows.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's exactly. That is the ultimate definition. I did what I actually said. Have you ever done that with, like, a comedy or even with any one of these movies where. I've always watched a movie. That movie always freaked me out. I love it follows. And then the last time I watched it, I'm sitting and watching it, and I'm just like, she's a naked old man far away. Yeah, I know, but it, like, broke the movie for me when I was just like, that's just a guy over there.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Well, you can say that about any ghost.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I know. I know, but it was like, I ruined it. You ever do that where, like, ruined it for myself just for that night?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like, sitting and watching it. I'm like, well, it's like the Shining.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

The first time you see the bear giving the dude a blowjob, it's terrifying now it's fun now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I like it. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

I was like, look at him getting his.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I want to know him. You only hang out with him.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, dude.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I want him to have a show in the network.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

All right, so what on our list have you not seen that you're most excited?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Excited for the thing that I'm saving towards the end are GM Haunted Asylum and I am Sating. I am saving n the Curse, which is also wonderful. I'm also saving. This weekend. We're going to bang some out, right, Eddie? We're going to go to your house. We're going to probably do. I'd say we do franchise tonight. I want to do Elm street together. And I want to do Halloween 6 together.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'm really excited for Blood Diner. I've owned the DVD for, like, a decade and never watched it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Also, what's nice is that and did you like Jenny? Do you like Jennifer's body too?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I love Jennifer's body. I thought for sure I was gonna hate it. That's why I haven't seen it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It wasn't like I was scared or anything funny.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It seemed awful. It got bad reviews. I was like this movie.

[Ed Larson]

Certain movies that like. Honestly, I hated Juno and I felt famously I hated you about the Terrifier series, that I was like, I'm not gonna like it. It's not for me. And then sometimes you just gotta check it out and you're like, damn. Wow.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that's the lesson we're gonna leave you with tonight.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, it's okay to dislike some horror movies. Horror movies? Movies. You. It's. It's the only genre of film that if it's a bad one, I'm not mad that I watched it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Same, same, same. Bull. I always kind of feel like that with action movies. But that's different, you know, I mean, that's just a good time. But. Yeah, but I'm gonna leave you with this, is that. I think it's important. No VHS unturned said. If you go out there and you. You're afraid to see a movie, you don't know what's in it, it might be the best thing you ever seen. You have no idea that you are. You have no idea that you haven't seen your face. Favorite movie yet.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

But also highly recommend Shutter because Shutter is a great app to just.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it takes a chance.

[Ed Larson]

So it's got so many great indie, weird.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

This is why you two know so much more than I. Oh, just constantly.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's all I watch.

[Ed Larson]

I just love horror movies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I also. I don't watch television. I don't watch anything else. I don't watch the news. I don't watch anything but horror movies and YouTube also.

[Ed Larson]

I'm gonna say I'm very upset.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm destroyed. I have a 14 year old's brain.

[Ed Larson]

Apparently the re. The reboot of. I guess. Is it a reboot remake of Speak no Evil apparently is really good. And I on principle, didn't work. Good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, it's not good. Rob says it's not good because it's.

[Ed Larson]

Got all these insane reviews.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They're lying to us.

[Ed Larson]

It has to be lies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It has to be lies sometimes. You've seen the trailer, you've seen the movie.

[Ed Larson]

I know, that's the thing. And I love the original and I don't want to see. I mean, I like James McAvoy, but I don't Know if I need to see it.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know what had great reviews that I thought was Doooo was that new serial killer movie, Strange Darling. Oh.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, you were talking about this. I haven't seen it.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Poo. Poo in my.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'll watch it. I'll watch it at some point.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, it's the new. Yeah. Everyone's like, oh, the twist.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, I. I liked it.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's like one of those things that goes like. Saltburn is like. They're, like, trying to impress me with how edgy they are. And I'm like, I've seen it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I understand. But that's me. To me. That's when I get my effective, though. That's me when I get to my most boomer, when I'm yelling about like, we did it 10 years ago. Every single time I see, like, offensive comedy where it's like, we. You know what I mean? But I also understand. Yeah, it's time for people to find new things and they're always. There's always shot.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They did try something. I will say that.

[Ed Larson]

I just. I've got such a soft spot for any horror movie that's like, well, you know, they're trying to hit it out of the park. And it was an hour and a half, and I didn't look at the time the entire time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I mostly just like to see that they're trying. So go. You didn't do Joker. Oh, we didn't do.

[Ed Larson]

Is Joker a horror movie?

[Henry Zabrowski]

This my one statement on Joker 2. I'm going to say this right now. Spoilers a little bit. Joker 2 seems to be made upon the premise that everybody who sort of like Joker 1, which is everybody, according to them, went to go see Joker 1. I did not particularly enjoy Joker 1. I like Joker 1. I felt that it was a ripoff of the King of Comedy. And the reason why I went to go see it was because it had the words the Joker in it and had Joaquin Phoenix playing the Joker. And I just wanted to see what that was. I was disappointed with what it was in the end. And then in the end, what it seems that Todd Phillips has decided is that Joker 2 is a response to those people that Joker for he considers to be the wrong reasons. And then that's the reason why they punish the Joker throughout the entire film. And then they rape him until he's not the Joker anymore, Which is the single worst lesson I've seen in a film. It'd be like if the end of the Joseph Fritzel story, if Elizabeth was like, you know what Actually, I miss my dad.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And so it is not like fun.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

To watch a troll troll trolls though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But. But do it on your own time. Do it on Twitter like everybody else. Because I. You spent $200 million. That should have went to North Carolina also.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

That movie did not need $200 million.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It did at least in 52 for Joaquin, Lady Gaga and Todd Phillips. And then the rest of it. I don't know where the hell it went. Just the fact that I mean big again. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. You can skip this. Skip, skip, skip, skip. But it's just like the fact that she wasn't the one that bombed them in the end was the dumbest. The fact that she. The baby plotline went fucking absolutely. He didn't smile at the end. Like, the idea of like we. Now Todd Phillips is trying to say the ending showed that he had acceptance about dying is like. No, he didn't. He looked upset. And then the stupid Heath Ledger passed on is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. All of the constant, like. The constant like. It's also like, if you're gonna have songs, be a fucking musical, you can spend $200 million, hire some fucking actors.

[Ed Larson]

Or some fucking instruments and don't hire Lady Gaga and tell not to sing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And then have them just whisper, sing. And this is my thing is that.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

They even have a big musical number.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Buy a new thing with one of the songs. Try something else with one of the songs.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I did like, they used the Joker by Sammy Davis Jr. I was real mad that that song wasn't in the first.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's just. It sounds like they went. That movie sounded like they went to Wikipedia and said, what are songs that have clowns in it? And then they just kind put it in things.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

It's just, oh, look who's angry now.

[Ed Larson]

Sometimes you just gotta calm down.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Think about Pearl.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Pearl is. Was one of the most expertly made sequels I've ever seen.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I didn't like it.

[Ed Larson]

Listen to them, Henry. They're.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

You know, Maxine was far superior.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I loved. I like them both. But I'm at peace with Eddie's opinions because, wow, this is America.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. Right? And meditate. And I don't.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Nor should I attack Eddie for his beliefs.

[Ed Larson]

Good for you, Henry. We've grown a lot this year.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I really, really have. So thank you.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Henry has grown a lot. In his. Well, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Sideways. Yeah, yeah. In his midsection. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Eddie. Yeah, Eddie.

[Henry Zabrowski]

How can I break this cycle of pain? Maybe if a bunch of cops come and rape Eddie he'll stop making fun of Go Joker, do it.

[Ed Larson]

We gotta get out of here.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Would be sex, not rape. Cuz I love it. I love you boys.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that's why Eddie runs a show called the Brighter side. Which is that he's always keeping a look on the brighter side. Patreon.com LastPodcast Left to watch us do all this in the flesh. GOP on the left for all the social bullshits for some reason. Go to Twitch tv, LPN TV to see our Twitch shows. We're working very hard for them. They're great. Who's the best one on the new one? It's great.

[Ed Larson]

Check it out.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Google is a great one. We got good put. Coming up on October 24th, weeks from.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Now, we are going to have a big show in la. The Wiltern Last podcast on the left. It's going to be fucking unbelievable. I can't wait for that. It's a bucket list venue for me. And then the following month in December, we're going to be in Brooklyn playing Kings Fall Theater.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Mookies back in Brooklyn. No, he's not. He lives in Los Angeles.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

Yeah, no, he. No, he lives. He does live back in Brooklyn.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, good for him. Yeah, what's up, Mookie?

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'll invite him to show.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, please, Jackie, we're people to find you for your show.

[Ed Larson]

No, I didn't want to talk about any of that. I just wanted everyone to know that I wasn't actually drinking this Oreo Coke Zero. I just opened it so I could try a sip of it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Someone don't protest.

[Ed Larson]

But yeah, you can definitely try it.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

I'll try.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, it's a Coke.

[Jackie Zabrowski]

But who's the bitch is doing great show.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, hit up who's the bitch.com if you've got a problem that needs some advice. It can be big, it can be small. We need all your juice. It's better than it could be, that's for damn sure. I feel like it reminds me of the Manhattan Soda. Like the espresso Soda. Yes, the Oreo Coke Zero. But we're not sponsored by them, so don't fucking buy them.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, fuck them all right. Go get fucking tab. See you soon, Hill. Satan.