Podcast
Laugh before death
Hosted by Heidi Keeling and Mand Black · EN
Imagine being told "you have incurable cancer". How do people 'keep going' despite being told they are dying?
This podcast is about cancer, it is about the will to live well despite a life limiting illness, and it is about dying.
We (Mand & Heidi) both have stage four incurable cancer. We want to create a space for talking about living and dying. We want to talk about everyday 'cancer life' and we want to give 'cancer muggles' ideas for how to be the best allies to people with the disease. We think we are funny and we are told we can be inappropriate. What's not to like?!
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On reflection, we're completely ourselves.
Apr 2300:16:42Tap to summarizeIt's been two years since we came up with the idea of talking (publicly) about living and dying with cancer. The podcast is still going, we are still going (!), and in this episode we're taking things a bit further by having photos taken professionally, while reflecting on the past two years of recording 'Laugh Before Death'. Hey look at us, multi-tasking!Ruth from Ruth Morelly Photography kindly included us in the 'social impact' strand of her photography business. You'll hear Ruth in this episode too and for more examples of her photography, we recommend you follow her on rmorellyphotography (Facebook) and rmorellyphotography_family (Instagram) or write to her directly on rmorellophotography@gmail.com Disclaimer: This podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. We do not give medical advice so if in doubt, check it out!Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand BlackEditing: Mark KeelingMusic: Mark KeelingContact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →What would love do? (an episode about dying)
Mar 1900:34:40Tap to summarizeDeath is part of life, yet the process of dying is not easily talked about. How many of us would talk about our own demise as a hypothetical 'event' rather than feeling and knowing it will happen? It is a tough ask to be in touch with the finality of oneself. There there are arguments that once we accept our life will come to an end it makes the lifelong process of dying a little easier to bear. Some people even find a renewed enjoyment of their lives once we accept the inevitable. In this episode, we're speaking with John Hopkins who is a 'life and death' coach and who has worked as a Soul Midwife. We talk about death and the process of dying, how to make our own death the best it can be for us, and what people's priorities are towards the end. Remember, we talk about death and dying so you feel you can too. Disclaimer: This podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. We do not give medical advice so if in doubt, check it out!Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand BlackContributor: John Hopkins (Substack link: https://open.substack.com/pub/hopkinsjohn?r=6wq3e4&utm_medium=iosEditing: Mark KeelingMusic: Mark KeelingContact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.comContributor: John Hopkins (Substack link: https://open.substack.com/pub/hopkinsjohn?r=6wq3e4&utm_medium=ios
Transcribe →Life's too short for exercise, right?
Jan 200:32:06Tap to summarizeThere's never a bad time to improve on your (healthy) habits but once you're given a terminal diagnosis it can be tempting just enjoy yourself. Life's too short for exercise, right?! In this episode, Mand and Heidi speak with Mel Brown (Level 4 'cancer & exercise' personal trainer) about the challenges, avoidance tactics, and benefits of functional exercise while being in active cancer treatment. Needless to say, although life might be short(er), living it to the best our abilities does require a certain level of fitness. No 'short cuts' to a good life and a good death, sadly. Disclaimer: This podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. We do not give medical advice so if in doubt, check it out!Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand BlackEditing: Mark KeelingMusic: Mark KeelingContact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →Hope takes on different forms
Oct 3000:15:32Tap to summarizeThis episode is about the role of storytelling as a way of making sense of illness, and generating hope for ourselves and others. Hope does not cure cancer but it makes cancer life more manageable. Heidi and Mand are in conversation with Kevin Donaghy (driving force behind Stories Of Cancer And Hope). We talk about hope and hopelessness, community spirit, and living a good life alongside terminal illness. Disclaimer: This podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. We do not give medical advice so if in doubt, check it out!Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand BlackEditing: Mark KeelingMusic: Mark KeelingContact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →A word (or two) on retirement
Aug 2600:31:05Tap to summarizeOnce upon a time we were professionals and really good at our jobs... then we had to retire because of cancer. This episode focuses on early retirement due to ill health, the financial implications of metastatic cancer, and reflections on leaving the workforce before the typical retirement age. Link to the Marie Curie petition mentioned in the podcast: Marie Curie CampaignsDisclaimer: This podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. We do not give medical advice so if in doubt, check it out!Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand BlackEditing: Mark KeelingMusic: Mark Keeling and Darren ScothernContact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →Nook with a view
Jul 1000:18:56Tap to summarizeIn this episode we are on a road trip. In the spirit of 'death talk', we're visiting a local forest burial site to set the scene for our conversation about what we want to do with our remains when we die. Tune in to listen to our thoughts on burials, cremations, and the importance of normalising death (... you'll also catch bird song, wind rustling in treetops, and tea-slurping). Disclaimer: This podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. Neither do we give medical advice, so if in doubt, check it out!Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand BlackEditing: Mark KeelingMusic: Mark Keeling and Darren ScothernContact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →Is there ever a good time to celebrate cancer?
Apr 6, 202500:34:12Tap to summarizeSurviving metastatic cancer for 10 years is an amazing feat but why does it feel wrong to celebrate it? Mand was diagnosed with terminal cancer in April 2015. This episode is about her thoughts on living with a terminal illness, how (and if!) to acknowledge her #Cancerversary, and reflections on lives cut short by cancer. Mand is our very own #CancerDinosaur and although she enjoys life, this milestone is giving us all pause for reflection. Maybe 'celebration' is too strong a word? Instead, let's acknowledge this fabulous lady who has lived through 10 years of cancer treatment.A quick disclaimer: the podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. We do not give medical advice so if in doubt, check it out!Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand BlackEditing: Mark KeelingMusic: Mark Keeling and Darren ScothernContact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →Mum's (definitely not) the word
Feb 6, 202500:31:43Tap to summarizeEnough about us and our cancer! Let's hear how OUR illness affect others. Joking (and references to 'main character energy') aside, terminal illness has a way of making its mark on everybody. This is the first of a two part episode about the impact of cancer on families. In this episode, we introduce Helen (Mand's mum) and Marianne (Heidi's mum). Marianne and Helen share their experiences of navigating their parenting role under cancer circumstances, how they manage social expectations of others, and how they use their love to be a strength to us. Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand Black Editing: Mark Keeling Music: Mark Keeling & Darren Scothern Contact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →Sister, Sister
Feb 6, 202500:27:58Tap to summarizeWhen there's cancer in the family, you need all the love and support you can get. Those of us who have sisters (and good sisters they are!) will appreciate that very special relationships. This is the second of a two part episode about the impact of cancer on families. In this episode, we hear from Bryony (Mand's sister) and Rikke (Heidi's twin sister). They might sound like us but they have their own mind and stance on sisterhood in the maelstrom of metastatic cancer lives. Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand Black Editing: Mark Keeling Music: Mark Keeling & Darren Scothern Contact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
Transcribe →Easy for you to say!
Nov 1, 202400:30:48Tap to summarize"We are all going to die one day", yet it can feel awkward to speak about this truth. It can be even harder when you or the person you speak to have a life limiting illness such as cancer. In this episode we talk about the language used to speak about terminal illness and death. We talk about our language likes and dislikes and the worst and kindest things people have said to us. We don't tell you what to say because each person will have their own way they prefer to talk about their experience. Instead we encourage everybody keep talking about life and death because that is how we make connections with each other... and good relationships matter A LOT when a person lives with terminal cancer. Disclaimer: This podcast is about life and death, with regular swearing and humour. The content is about our experience; we do not speak for everybody in the community. We do not give medical advice so if in doubt, check it out! Presenters: Heidi Keeling & Mand Black Editing: Mark Keeling Music: Mark Keeling and Darren Scothern Contact us on: laughbeforedeath@gmail.com
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