REWIND: Tiger King calls from Prison & Kyle calls from Iowa to discuss the call from Prison

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Laugh With Me" REWIND: Tiger King Calls from Prison & Kyle Discusses the Call

Host: Jeremy Odem (Jo)
Guests: Joe Exotic (Tiger King), Kyle (Jo's brother)
Producer: Johnny Palermo
Original Air Date: October 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

This special "Rewind" episode of "Laugh With Me" features one of the podcast’s most talked-about interviews: a candid phone call with Joe Exotic (the Tiger King) from federal prison, originally recorded in July. Host Jeremy Odem revisits this unusual and revealing conversation, followed by a call-in from his brother Kyle, who offers commentary, reactions, and comedic breakdowns of Joe Exotic’s statements and circumstances. Targeted to new iHeartRadio listeners, this episode provides an unvarnished look at Joe Exotic's ongoing legal battle, his pop culture legacy, personal struggles, and the enduring strangeness of being "Tiger King."

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Key Segments and Timestamps

• [01:14] - Introduction & Context from Jeremy (Jo)
• [05:11] - Joe Exotic's Call from Prison Begins
• [20:24] - Post-interview Reaction & Breakdown with Jeremy and Johnny
• [27:05] - Kyle Calls In for Extended Reaction & Analysis

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Full Breakdown and Highlights

1. Jeremy Sets the Scene (01:14–05:11)

• Jeremy Odem welcomes listeners to a "Rewind" episode, designed for the new iHeartRadio audience.
• Announces that "Laugh With Me" is now joining iHeartRadio.
• Explains that the episode will replay the full Joe Exotic interview—originally limited to around 15 minutes due to prison call restrictions.
• Contextualizes the cultural phenomenon of Tiger King and its ongoing references in American life.

“Maybe you missed out that we had a very special guest call us this past July, from prison, the Tiger King himself, Joe Exotic, he called in just to kind of update us on where he's at with his pardon...” – Jo (01:54)

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2. The Joe Exotic Prison Call (05:11–20:24)

A. Seeking a Presidential Pardon (06:09–09:01)

• Joe explains the repeated attempts to secure a pardon, efforts under two presidents, and the bureaucratic limbo involved.
• Reveals that people like Congresswoman Lauren Boebert, Congressman Eric Burleson, Joe Rogan, Dana White, and Matt Gaetz have advocated for him.
• Discusses the political speculation that Trump might use Joe’s pardon as a “distraction” for bigger news.

"The people that have been, you know, telling me that it's coming are direct friends of Donald Jr. So...who knows?" – Joe Exotic (07:55)
"He'll use it when he needs to use it...right now, his best opportunity...would be now to...distract...from this Epstein stuff." – Joe Exotic (09:04)

B. Reflections on Fame & Pop Culture (10:06–12:16)

• Joe describes glimpses of his own fame after cancer treatment, noting people recognizing him even in the backseat of a police car.
• He shares his wish to use his notoriety for good—“fixing little kids’ faces with Operation Smile” and feeding the homeless.
• Expresses frustration that he’s unable to act on these ambitions while imprisoned.

"If I make it out of here alive, it's going to be kind of crazy because, you know, I've never been prepared for this kind of notoriety." – Joe Exotic (11:05)
"The platform that I do have out there, the amazing things I could do to fix more little kids faces...would be phenomenal." – Joe Exotic (11:26)

C. Financial Exploitation & Legal Battles (12:30–15:17)

• Joe discusses movie and TV offers—nothing can move forward unless he’s released.
• Reveals he never agreed to, nor was paid for, the original Netflix Tiger King—footage was re-purposed from a separate reality project.
• Details legal battles over the rights to his music, having won a judgment acknowledging his authorship but still needing to sue Netflix and others.
• Describes the myriad ways others have profited from his image and music while he's incarcerated.

"I didn't film for Tiger King...I never saw Tiger King until about six months ago." – Joe Exotic (12:44) "Everybody has taken advantage of Joe being in...prison and not being able to fight for myself." – Joe Exotic (15:09)

D. Artistic Output, AI, and Personal Life (15:36–17:59)

• Joe confirms he’s started writing new music again, thanks in part to his personal circumstances (his husband being deported).
• Notably, he collaborates with people outside prison using AI tools to create music from his lyrics.
• Talks about his husband’s deportation immediately upon release and vows to join him in Mexico if released.

"I send them the songs and then I guess there's a very awesome music AI program out there that has put the words and the sound to it..." – Joe Exotic (16:20) "Trump, let me out of here so I can...buy one of your $5 million gold cards so I can bring him back to America." – Joe Exotic (17:59)

E. Reflections on Justice & Other Cast Members (18:07–20:24)

• Comments on co-star Doc Antle’s recent sentencing, contrasting it with his own (“Joe Exotic is in here for 21 [years]”; Doc gets one).
• Highlights perceived inequalities in the justice system.
• Shares memories of traveling shows in Nebraska and reflects on the legacy of his traveling zoo.
• Ends with an appeal to listeners to visit his website for support.

"That just goes to show you that the United States government...just showed an example of a man that was smuggling human beings...Joe Exotic is in here for 21 [years]." – Joe Exotic (19:00)

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3. Immediate Reactions with Johnny & Jo (20:24–27:05)

• Jeremy comments on Joe’s surprisingly upbeat tone and willingness to keep fighting.
• Draws attention to Joe’s obliviousness about his own viral fame.
• Reminds listeners about Joe’s ongoing health struggles and unresolved legal issues.
• Urges listeners to check out Joe Exotic’s website and Instagram for updates and merchandise.

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4. Kyle Joins for a Candid Breakdown (27:05–49:57)

A. On Joe’s State of Mind & Social Media Disconnect (27:05–28:59)

• Jeremy and Kyle joke about how insensitive it was to open the call with the number of days Joe has been in prison.
• They note Joe’s lack of familiarity with Instagram—highlighting his disconnect from today’s social media world.

"No one wants to hear that. Thanks for reminding me." – Kyle (27:05)

B. Pop Culture, Pardons, and Delusion (29:05–32:59)

• Kyle reflects on the fleeting but immense cultural impact of Tiger King.
• Skeptical of Joe’s stated plans to buy a $5 million Trump gold card, given his financial situation.
• Both share doubts that MAGA figures are truly lobbying for Joe.

"Homie, you have $5? Like, where are you getting this $5 million?" – Kyle (29:21)

C. On Justice and Accountability (31:47–39:07)

• Kyle expresses skepticism over Joe’s claims of innocence, noting the murder-for-hire conviction is based on multiple sources (“even if this guy [witness] lied, he also paid an undercover FBI agent”).
• They joke about the absurdity of justice in the world of Tiger King and its cast.
• Discuss the darker sides of everyone involved (especially Carole Baskin).

"When you're dealing with folks who own actual tigers, everything is sketch. No part of their life can be clean." – Kyle (37:48)

D. AI Music, Entertainment Behind Bars, and Joe’s Future (35:08–44:43)

• Both are amused and incredulous at Joe’s use of AI to turn lyrics into “songs.”
• Speculate about whether notorious entertainers like Joe or R. Kelly perform “inside,” drawing a Seinfeld reference.
• Acknowledge Joe’s unusual ability to find love in prison and navigate life circumstances.

"This dude's writing, like, three lines of words, and he's calling that writing music nowadays. What is happening?" – Kyle (36:43)

E. Joe’s Legacy, the Book, and What’s Next (44:43–49:04)

• Reveal Joe wrote a book using just 30 minutes of computer time per day.
• Discuss possibilities for autographed books, Carol Baskin as a future podcast guest, and the surreal fame brought by the Netflix show.
• Kyle reflects on the impossibility of handling that level of attention.

"Can you imagine 34 million people watching your show, your life, in, like, the first 10 days?" – Jo (46:07) "I would crumble. I would curl into a ball and never come out of my house again." – Kyle (46:21)

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• On fame outlasting incarceration:
  "I've never been prepared for this kind of notoriety." — Joe Exotic (11:05)

• On the absurd legal situation:
  "Everybody has taken advantage of Joe being in a...prison and not being able to fight for myself." — Joe Exotic (15:09)

• On political endorsements and the pardon:
  "I've got some of the biggest names there is, you know, out there shooting for this." — Joe Exotic (07:19)

• Kyle's comedic skepticism on Joe's finances:
  "Homie, you have $5? Like, where are you getting this $5 million?" — Kyle (29:21)

• On the surreal AI songwriting:
  "This dude's writing, like, three lines of words, and he's calling that writing music nowadays. What is happening?" — Kyle (36:43)

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Final Thoughts and Takeaways

• Joe Exotic remains a fascinating and polarizing character: despite his claims of doing good and his perseverance, his narrative is heavily colored by both true crime and pop culture spectacle.
• The Netflix series' impact is still enormous, though Joe himself doesn’t really grasp its scale.
• Jeremy and Kyle’s analysis mixes humor and skepticism, offering levity and critical distance from Joe’s self-described victimhood.
• The episode closes with plans to reach out to Carole Baskin, and a reminder that Joe’s story is ongoing—at least for podcast listeners.

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Where to Learn More

• Joe’s Website and Updates: joeexoticofficial.com
• Merchandise and Book Sales: Promoted as sources of legal defense funds
• Follow on Instagram: @joe_exotic

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Recommended For:

• Fans of "Tiger King" and offbeat true crime stories
• Listeners drawn to the intersection of crime and pop culture
• Audiences interested in prison perspectives, fame, and the weirdness of pandemic-era phenomena
• Anyone who appreciates a mix of humor, skepticism, and genuine curiosity about larger-than-life personas

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Transcript

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[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Welcome back. This is Laugh With Me, a podcast with Jeremy Odom. I'm your host, Jo, and this is a very special rewind edition of Laugh With Me, the podcast. This is where we take some of our greatest moments and we. We bring it. We bring it back. We want to put it front and center. Maybe you missed it. Maybe you missed out on our major announcement that we put out there on our socials this week, which is we are joining iHeartradio. So with that being said, Johnny, we're gonna have a whole new audience listening to us, so we're gonna put. We're gonna put out in front of the people some things that you catch you up on. What is exactly Laugh With Me? Let's start with the man behind the ones and twos. That is Johnny Palermo, our esteemed producer. Not a joke. He's very good at what he does. He's been with us from the get. And then the man behind the mic himself, that's me. I'm Jo. And we've been doing this for a few years now. You can find us at the tippy top of the itunes comedy show podcast charts. But you're here on iHeartRadio listening, listening to the podcast. And maybe you missed out that we had a very special guest call us this Past July, from prison, the Tiger King himself, Joe Exotic, he called in just. Just to kind of update us on where he's at with his pardon, which from all accounts shows. It just appears that. That there's been no ground made on this. It does not appear outside of. The President has mentioned his name. We have heard that he knows of the attempts for the pardon. We do know this, and we know that there are a lot of people, and you'll hear about it in the phone call. But you. You. There are some people in Washington that have his back that are trying to get his name in front of the President. And it does appear that has happened. But pardon, full clemency, nothing like that has happened quite yet. So he is still in prison and actually quite ill, but he's working on a lot of projects and he gave us all the time that he had, which I think, if I remember correctly, it was 13, 15 minutes, something like that, that he was able to make a phone call. So we are going to hear the full interview there with Joe Exotic. You remember him from the Tiger King, the smash show on Netflix from 2020. And then just a few days later, on the Friday happy Hour, my brother Kyle, he called in to Laugh with me. And we. We broke it all down. We discussed the interview and gave some thoughts as well. So you're gonna hear it all in one episode here. And again, this is a special rewind. This is specifically for you, I heart.

[Joe Exotic]

Okay.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Okay. This one is for all of you new I Heart radio listeners that maybe aren't as familiar with Laugh With Me. We're coming. I mean, we. We're coming. Okay. And we've got the Tiger King with us. Carol Basket. You know. You know, Johnny. Without further ado, here is the Tiger King calling him from prison, Joe Exotic. Here we go. Hello.

[Joe Exotic]

This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To Accept this call, press 5 to block this call and all. You may begin speaking now. Hear me.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Hello, Joe.

[Joe Exotic]

Hey, what's up?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Hey, how are you doing, sir?

[Joe Exotic]

Hanging in there, man.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I. I appreciate your time and coming on Laugh With Me today.

[Joe Exotic]

Well, I appreciate you having me out.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah, I. I just saw on your Instagram, today's day 2503 of being wrongly imprisoned.

[Joe Exotic]

Do I know today?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I just saw on Instagram, today's 2503 of you being wrongly imprisoned.

[Joe Exotic]

Oh, is that what they put up there?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Joe Exotic]

That's 2,000 days.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's crazy. I know you're. You're working on the pardon and getting that just kind of out there and hopefully in front of the president. Like, where we at on that?

[Joe Exotic]

Well, you know, it's. It's hard to tell because, you know, everybody thought it was gonna happen in 2020, and it didn't. So who knows what he's gonna do, when he's gonna do it? But last I heard, it was about a week ago. Last I heard, it was supposed to happen sometime in the next three to five weeks, but who knows?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Wow. So what's that process like? Is that something like paperwork you file and then you just. You don't get updates. You just kind of hope and wait?

[Joe Exotic]

Let's see. I had. I had a. A pardon application filed his first term. And see, every time a president leaves office, they deny them all. Okay. So then I had to file one for Biden, and then on January 20th of this year, that one got denied, so I had to file it again. So now I've got another one in the US Pardon Attorney's office, and it's just a matter of who he picks and chooses.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Wow. So then do you have, like, some champions in Washington, like, anybody who's a fan of yours?

[Joe Exotic]

And then it's maybe, you know, I have Congresswoman Lauren Boebert that's out there stomping the pavement for me, and I've got Congressman Eric Burleson, Joe Rogan, Dana White, Matt Gaetz. I've got. I got some of the biggest names there is, you know, out there shooting for this. But, you know, you know how Trump is. He'll do what he wants when he wants.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, absolutely. But you've got his favorites. I mean, you've got the folks that's got his ear.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah. And the people that have been, you know, telling me that it's coming are direct friends of. Of Donald Jr. So. Okay, you know, who knows? Yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I don't know if you remember the movie Beetlejuice, but I know Lauren Boebert's a big fan of Beetlejuice.

[Joe Exotic]

Oh, yeah?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. You'll have to. If you ever can't get an opportunity to talk to her, ask her about Beetlejuice.

[Joe Exotic]

Okay.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Do you think it's possible that Trump knows about this and that he's just waiting to use this as, like, a distraction and it's going to help you, but it's going to be used to distract from something? El.

[Joe Exotic]

Well, I know for a fact he knows about this because he was confronted by Steven Steve Nelson from the New York Post during a live White House briefing. So Trump said my name, and. And then TMZ called out Alice Johnson the other day on world television about whether or not she's going to recommend my pardon. So they know me. They know who I am.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Joe Exotic]

You know, that's what everybody says. He. He'll use it when he needs to use it, you know, but right now, his. His best opportunity to. To use it would be now to. To kind of distract a little bit away from this Epstein stuff.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah, he could use the distraction for sure. Yeah.

[Joe Exotic]

Because, you know, you know, when you. When you got Dan Bongino upset with you.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Joe Exotic]

And Ash Patel upset with you, that's telling the world that you're hiding something.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Hey, let's get you on the record right now that you are not on the Epstein list.

[Joe Exotic]

No, I don't even. I didn't even know who Epstein was until all of this hit the news.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's funny.

[Joe Exotic]

Well, now, whether or not Jeff Low is on the Epstein list, that could. Possible. That could be possible.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That. That'd be what put him down for good. Yeah. Well, it'd be hard for Trump not to know who you were. I mean, in 20, Tiger King came out on Netflix. 34 million people watched it in its first 10 days of release.

[Joe Exotic]

Right.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

You, unfortunately, were in prison for all of it. What do you even have a grasp of, like, your stamp on pop culture?

[Joe Exotic]

No, not at all, man. You know, the only. The only thing that I've seen out in the world is when I came back from. From North Carolina doing cancer treatment, they flew me to Oklahoma City, and then they. This call is from a federal prison. They drove me in an unmarked police car, you know, down to Fort Worth, and I was sitting in the back seat, you know, and they were. They didn't handcuff me or anything, and I was just sitting in the back seat of this. This white car.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Joe Exotic]

And one out of three cars that passed us slowed down and took pictures. They wrecked. And it didn't matter if they were 18 or 80. It was crazy how people recognized who I was sitting in the backseat of a car.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

What.

[Joe Exotic]

So it's going to be kind of. If I make it out of here live, it's going to be kind of crazy because, you know, I've never been prepared for this kind of notoriety.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Well, no. And it's hard to even acclimate yourself back into society anyways, and you're going to come out of. Out of it one of the most popular people in America, you know?

[Joe Exotic]

You know, though, I. I wish President Trump would understand the fact that when I, you know, before I. This all happened you know, my. My big thing was fixing little kids his faces with Operation Smile. That was. That was my favorite fundraiser and feeding the homeless. Okay. And I just wish he would understand that if he would, he would be honorable enough to just let me go home. The platform that I do have out there, the amazing things I could do to fix more little kids faces and. And take care of more homeless people would be phenomenal.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Well, yeah, you'll have the opportunity to do 10x100x times better, you know, good than what you have before.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So now you've been in your. Your ultra popular in America. Do you get like, offers? I mean, has there been movie offers? I mean, I guess there's got to be people wanting to tell your story even further.

[Joe Exotic]

Well, I. I have. I have three good movie offers on the table now, but nobody wants to do anything unless I'm out.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Okay.

[Joe Exotic]

You know, because. Because Tiger King was filmed while I was in prison.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Okay.

[Joe Exotic]

I didn't film for Tiger King. Right. They took all of my footage that I was filming for my reality show and used it with. Without me knowing it. I never saw Tiger King until about six months ago.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Holy cow. So, wow. I guess I didn't realize that all that was after you'd already been put in prison, I thought.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah, I was. I was arrested in September 7th of 2018, and they filmed that through 18, 19 and early 20.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So all those interviews and all the testimonials from your staff and your family and friends, that was all after you were already put in prison?

[Joe Exotic]

That was all after I was already put in prison. And the producer, Eric Good of Tiger King paid. We have videos of him now paying them very large sums of cash to talk shit about me and make that show. Yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Holy cow. So you were.

[Joe Exotic]

It's pretty sad. I didn't get a dime from Tiger.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah, I was gonna say you didn't get paid at all then?

[Joe Exotic]

No, none.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So do you own the name Tiger King then?

[Joe Exotic]

I do own the trademarks, but it takes. It takes money to hire lawyers to sue anybody. You know what I'm saying?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Right.

[Joe Exotic]

That's why everybody. Everybody on the Internet is selling Joe Exotic Tiger King stuff. And there ain't a damn thing I can do because I'm broke.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, man. What about the music? I mean, your music came out before prison. Have you. Were you able to. I guess. I'm sure more people were streaming your music.

[Joe Exotic]

I do get some royalties from my music now. But see, what happened while I was in prison is instead of Tiger King, the people Netflix Doing the right thing and working with me to do everything. They've done everything the cheap way. And they got some clown out there named Vince Johnson to claim that the music was his, so they paid him. And then it took me three years to sue him. I just got done last March in Florida suing him because I finally found a lawyer that would do it pro bono, and I took him to court and won a judgment, you know, so now I've got a court order proving that the music is mine. But you still have to sue Netflix. You have to see the producers and Health BBC even has copyrighted some of my music.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Holy.

[Joe Exotic]

Everybody. Everybody has taken advantage of Joe being in a. In prison and not being able to fight for myself.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

There's gonna be hell to pay once you're out.

[Joe Exotic]

Oh, you bet, you bet. You bet. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna keep some lawyers fully employed.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So over the past six call is.

[Joe Exotic]

From a federal prison.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Over the past six years or so, have you been writing new music? Like, is that on your radar too?

[Joe Exotic]

I, you know, I have. I kind of had a bad mind block there for a while.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Joe Exotic]

But, you know, I. I've got married and, you know, he got out of prison and he got deported to Mexico. So my music writing capabilities have came back. You know, call it separation anxiety, I guess.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Joe Exotic]

But I've. I have wrote some and, you know, I'm. And I'm not gonna lie to anybody. My people, my. My girls out in the world. I send them the songs and then I guess there's a very awesome music AI program out there.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yep.

[Joe Exotic]

That has put the words and the sound to it until I get out so I can sing them myself. But, yeah, they're. They're apparently all on iTunes.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

The AI abilities right now are insane.

[Joe Exotic]

Like, it's pretty scary. It is very scary TV that they showed on TV of what people are making Trump to. It's pretty crazy.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Have you performed at all, like, for your. For your fellow inmates or the guards or anything?

[Joe Exotic]

No. No, no.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. I don't blame you. So you remarried and you said he got out and then was. Was he immediately deported?

[Joe Exotic]

He was. He got out on May 17. He was supposed to have a detention hearing on the 19th, and the US government, government picked him up on the 17th, and they dumped him in Mexico on the 18th, and he didn't even get a good list hearing.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Holy cow, man. Well, you're. You're certainly one of, like, the rare people that have ever found love like that in prison.

[Joe Exotic]

I would have to imagine you Know, it's. It. It happens. It. You know, you can't pick when, where, and who and why when it happens. But he's amazing, and I can't wait to get out. I intend on going to Mexico. And, you know, just like I've. I've had in the press several times. Trump, let me out of here so I can go to work and buy one of your $5 million gold cards so I can bring him back to America.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Your fellow castmate on Tiger Tiger King Doc Annel. He was just sentenced to a year in prison.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah. It's pretty. Pretty crazy, isn't it?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Is it? Would you call that karma? It's just kind of a matter of time for him?

[Joe Exotic]

Well, I would. I would call it. I mean, not. Not as much karma is, you know, I'm ashamed of. Of the government of, you know, because she smuggled and trafficked human beings. Okay. In order to pay for those expensive animals to make a living and live like he lives. And. And that just goes to show you that the United States government, they want to bitch about all the illegal immigrants in here and the trafficking and everything, but they just showed an example of a man that was smuggling human beings to profit for himself. Only got a year. Joe Exotic is in here for 21.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Right.

[Joe Exotic]

Okay, so. So go figure that out.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So before long, long before years and years ago, when you were taking your zoo on the road for, like, petting zoos and showcases and whatnot.

[Joe Exotic]

Right.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Did you ever come through Nebraska?

[Joe Exotic]

I did. Many times. Many times. We did some shows in North Platte, Nebraska. God. Yeah. We did a lot in Nebraska.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. I'm. I'm. I live in Omaha, Nebraska.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

And I. I was just very curious. I thought that would be a pretty cool show if, you know, if that ever came through.

[Joe Exotic]

But, you know, I did. I did my magic show on the road in front of probably a total of 4 or 5 million people. And. And I still get letters from people that were at my show 18, 20 years ago that were little kids that are growing, have their own family now. Hey, Jeremy, this thing is gonna hang up any second because it just beeped. I want to thank you so much for. For having me kill everybody to get on joeexoticofficial.com, look at the evidence, do some shop and help me out, because the lawyer bills are stacking up. But to everybody out there, I. I send my love. George sends his love. And.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

There we go. Joe Exotic. That was fun. He seems like he's in good spirits. Honestly, doesn't he sound like he Was in good spirits. Johnny. I mean, he sound like a guy that he. He mean, obviously he's been in the long enough. He kind of gets the deal. He's acclimated, but he's fighting, you know, he's fighting. It's crazy to me that he was talking. He has no idea just how popular he is. I mean, it's. You know, I've had family, you know, they're. They're inside. They come out and it's. You know, it's different. You got to get used to being around people again, being able to just kind of move around. Oh, that would be so hard. And then he's going to have the whole world wanting to talk to him, you know, and he's a showman, right? He was a showman for many, many years, even before any of any of this. Right. He's used to that. He's used to talking in front of people and being on stage and being the center of attention. But it's been so long and so secluded for so long. I did want to ask him about his health. I mean, he did mention that he was in for cancer treatment in North Carolina. Yeah, I know that's one of his biggest fears. I've read in press clippings that one of his biggest fears, he's gonna die in prison before his sentence ends. And he just wants to do good out in the world, man. Joe Exotic. That was exciting, man. The tiger king here on Laugh with Me. Johnny, good job. I just want to tell you publicly, you did good, buddy. But yeah, you heard him. You can go. You can find his Instagram, Joe Underscore, Exotic. All kinds of stuff on there. And then Joe Exotic official dot com. It sounds like that's the website. So let's actually. Let me. Let's. Johnny, let's pull that up so that we know we got it right. Yeah. Joe exoticofficial.com and you can know exactly what's going on with the case. It looks very updated. It looks like we're getting new FBI information on there. Any and basically anything you would need to know about Joe.

[Joe Exotic]

Oh, wow.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

We got. We can shop all kinds of stuff here to help them out.

[Joe Exotic]

Lord.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

The Joe Exotic underwear. That might be what I. What I get. I want to help my guy out. Joe, if you listen to the episode, thank you so much for coming on the show and you're welcome back anytime before or after you get up. This is exciting. Johnny. Johnny. Joe Exotic. Do not go anywhere. We're not going anywhere. Okay. We might be done with the Tiger King. But we're gonna break it all down. Kyle's about to call in and discuss all things Joe exotic. Don't go anywhere. Johnny. We have solved all of your holiday shopping. Stress your needs because the holidays will sneak up fast. But it's not too early to get your shopping done and actually have fun with it. Uncommon Goods makes holiday shopping stress free and joyful with thousands of one of a kind gifts you can't find anywhere else. Uncommon Goods looks for products that are high quality, unique, and often handmade or made in the United States. Many are crafted by you independent artists and small businesses. And because they're made in small batches, they are the best finds. But they can sell out fast. Johnny, what I found here. And I'm telling you, Johnny, right now, if you use a promo code, I'm going to tell you that here in a second. This is what I want for Christmas. Okay? Uncommon Goods has a recycled skateboard display stand. So it looks like a skateboard. It just sit on your desk, sit on the bookshelf. I could put my laptop on it. I can work on the show. Johnny. I could be working. I could do your job, frankly, and look like I got a little skateboard. I got a little skateboard to work off of, which, you know, I love. I love even though I'm getting older. I do love a good skate. But this recycled skateboard is so cool. And it's just one of the many unique items that you can find on Uncommon Goods. It has something for everyone from moms and dads to kids and teens, from book lovers, history buffs. Eric, talk about you and die hard football fans to foodies, mixologists and avid gardeners. You'll find thousands of new gift ideas that you won't find anywhere else. When you shop at Uncommon Goods, you're supporting artists and small independent businesses. Many of their handcrafted products are made in small batches. So shop now before they sell out this holiday season. And with every purchase you make at Uncommon Goods, they give back $1 to a nonprofit partner of your choice. They've donated more than $3 million to date. So shop early and have fun and cross some names off your list today. Get 15% off your next gift. Go to uncommongoods.com laugh with me. That's uncommongoods.com Laugh with me for 15% off. Don't miss out on this limited time offer. Uncommon Goods. We are all out of the ordinary. Johnny. If you haven't told everybody this is how you're doing your holiday shopping. You're really missing the boat. I mean, that's what I. That's why I told my family first. First thing I. First thing, if you remember, like, because I know you've listened to the episode and I thought. And I just saw it. Literally seconds before he called, I saw on his Instagram, it said day 2503 of being wrongly imprisoned. And I thought, okay, well, this is. It's on his Instagram. I don't think he's running the Instagram. Like, I don't. You know, I. And I. And he kind of made that clear because he had no idea what I was talking about. But it is. But it is his official Instagram. And I thought, what a way to kick off the conversation with. You've been in prison for 2,503 days. In hindsight, that sucks. Right? Like, why. If you're.

[Kyle]

No one wants to hear that. Thanks for reminding me.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

If you've been in prison for 2500 days, you probably don't re. Want to be reminded of just how long you've been in there.

[Kyle]

No. He's like, yeah, and it's been awful. Every single one of them. Thanks, Jeremy. Glad I called you.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I know. I felt so bad. I instantly was like, that was a mistake. What a way to kick this off.

[Kyle]

I got the vibes that he didn't even know what Instagram was. He was like, oh, is that what they put up there?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Okay. Yep. Y.

[Kyle]

All right, well, I guess I've been in here. I don't know what to tell you.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's fair. Cuz he was picked up in 2018 and who knows? I mean, I'm sure he didn't even have an Instagram then. So who. You know, he obviously was on top of some things online because he had an online TV show. You know, he did. He was on the Internet.

[Kyle]

His choice. Hold on. His own thing.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. All right, so remember.

[Kyle]

No, I never heard of this guy until.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Okay, I know so. And me too. Like, I've. And much like probably most of the people in the world had never heard this guy until 2020 when the Netflix show came out. But it locally, you know, in his, like, in his world, he had his online show where he would read Carol Baskin's diary and. And update people on what he. They kind of documented a little bit of that.

[Kyle]

Yep. Coming back now.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. So he's. He wasn't unfamiliar with the Internet and he wasn't unfamiliar with like, memes and. And things in that, you know, sense, but he probably has no. I mean, he even said he has no clue how big he is, but he has no clue the, like the world of social media today and just kind of how it wraps our. It's our world, you know?

[Kyle]

Yeah, no idea. But here's the deal. So he made a big impact, right? That was a whole thing. Whole world's talking about it.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

But now it's gone. Right? But he's like, okay, listen to him. He's like, yeah, when I get out of here, I'm a buy one of them. Okay, let me back up. He's like, I got no money to sue these people. I got no money to do any of this.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Right, right.

[Kyle]

And then he's like, when I get out, I'm buying one of them trump five million dollar gold cards so I can move my husband to America. It's like, homie, you have $5? Like, where are you getting this $5 million? What are we doing?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So that goes back to like I was telling him, you know, it's like, dude, 34 million people watched the Tiger King on Netflix in the first 10 days of release. And they had a season two. How many documentaries do you know get a season two and a season three?

[Kyle]

So there's a season three.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah, it's not really about him. It's about. It's about that guy Doc Anle that, that just got sentenced to a year in prison for animal trafficking. And he's in, you know, the first two seasons, but it's more about like his world, but still the brand itself. Oh, yeah, he hates all those people. But. But yeah, like, I think he's banking on, I get out of prison, I have incredible value to my name. Or at least he believes he does to the point that he can sell, you know, certain rights to. To stories or he says he's got three awesome movie deals right now on the table, but he needs to be out in order to make this deal work.

[Kyle]

Yeah, but he's not out. So he's been in there for how long do we say?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So he's been in years? Yeah, more than that. He's been in since 2018. He's on a 21 year sentence.

[Kyle]

How far back is 2500 days? Okay, so 2018. So you got a wild guy, 15 years. Like, what do you. Who's. This is wild. He's gonna. Yeah, we're gonna make a movie when I'm 80. I don't know, man. Well, plan is kind of whack.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's if you're basing it on. He's gonna serve as 21 years. Now, here's the thing. We've got the pardon situation on the table where he feels that he was wrongly accused, that there's a lot of evidence out there now where the witnesses are backtracking the things that they said in court or on the record, and that the President is going to give him a full pardon and he's going to be out.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Well, first of all, that was one of my favorite parts of the thing. I feel like he. Here's the deal. He thinks that he's innocent. Like, if you watch that thing, you know his feelings on Carol Baskin. He straight up is hiring folks to kill her.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Secondly, he's like. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna get pardoned proceeds to name off the worst folks in the world. And he's like, yeah, they're gonna get me out. Like, dude, you are. What is happening right now? What is happening?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

He. He does have the, like, the ear of the core people that you would think of when you. When you think maga, you know, do.

[Kyle]

You think that's real, though? Do you think, like, people are actually, like, those people? Do you think they're like, we got to get the Tiger King out? That's just what this comes down to.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Well, it's tough. Who knows? Who knows how, like, active they actually are in. You know, you only get the President's ear for, what, seconds, probably, if you do, you know. And then is Joe Exotic the name that comes up when you do have his ear? But they definitely get asked about it. Like, you. You can find press clippings of, you know, the press asking these very people about Joe Exotic, and they are certainly aware of what's going on, but that doesn't mean that they're actually actively, you know, working on behalf of the Tiger King to get him a pardon.

[Kyle]

No. And are they asking that in the year of our Lord 2025?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Right.

[Kyle]

Maybe 2020. Maybe 2021. I don't know.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Did you catch my Beetlejuice joke?

[Kyle]

Okay. I was, like, lost on the. Like, I don't know anything about it.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Okay.

[Kyle]

You were like, know, like, she really likes Beetlejuice. And he was not pick. He's like, okay, I get probably.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I did not think he would get the joke. So it wasn't necess. It wasn't for him. It was for the audience. But so Lauren Bobert, she. A couple of years ago, she was on a first date, and she went to see Beetlejuice, the musical, and she may or may not have been caught doing something inappropriate to her first date while she was watching the show.

[Kyle]

That's awesome.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

That's amazing.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. All right.

[Kyle]

Now, knowing that and knowing he's just like, okay, that's hilarious.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. So.

[Kyle]

Man, that's.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. So that's. I never thought he would get it because, you know, he. He's probably. The amount of information he gets, I mean, it's very minimal, Right?

[Kyle]

I would think so. I don't know. We got to do an investigative. How do they get. How much TV can they watch a day? How can they. How much can they read? What's going on in there?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's a good question. I mean, he wrote his book. He has a book. I didn't talk about the book on the pod, but he does have a book out.

[Kyle]

And what do you do?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Well, I just. I knew I had limited time, so that's the other thing. I didn't know how much time I was going to have with him. I just knew I had until they cut us off. So it ended up being 15 minutes. I didn't know I had 15 minutes. I thought I could have seven. I could have eight. Like, I didn't know. Right. I just knew it wasn't going to be a lot. So I had a list of questions. I wanted to get to as many as I could. I wanted to ask follow ups where appropriate. But I also knew I had limited time. So the music to me was more important to talk about than the book.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

You turned to the music. What's that all about?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Have you. You. His music is a big part of the. Of the documentary Tiger King. Yeah. So I was just so interested of. Is he writing more music? Is this something he wants to do outside when he gets out? Is this something he performs inside for his. For. I almost said classmates. For his inmate, for his inmates. Like, for me, for the prisoners. Like, is this something he's doing and he's entertaining the masses inside? I mean, it sounds like that is a hard no, but.

[Joe Exotic]

Oh, no.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, no. Yeah. I just. I was intrigued by it because I just imagine sometimes. All right, it goes back to Seinfeld and the finale.

[Kyle]

The.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

The Seinfeld finale when they end up in prison. And then the vet. Like, the very last scene, Jerry's doing stand up, you know, for. Yeah, that's fair for the population. And I'm just like, do entertainers do that? Like, is R. Kelly performing, you know, like, in prison? And they're just like, far. I can't wait for this week's R. Kelly concert, you know, like, I don't know.

[Kyle]

We just found out that's a definite no. And did you. Did you hear his. His answer to that? You're like, you're on new music, and then he goes on this thing, and then when he comes back, he's like, actually, I'm writing it and sending it off to my girls out there, and they just put it in the AI and it does the music and the vocals. So, like, this dude's writing, like, three lines of words, and he's calling that right music. Nowadays, what is happening?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I know AI just think of the kind of stuff he could get out there right now if he was out and he had AI to do a lot of that.

[Kyle]

Gosh, that's a scary thought.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, he died. He'd be a monster. That's for sure.

[Kyle]

I want some Carol Baskin songs. We gotta get that going. I'm ready. The world is ready.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I think if I hit the how could you? Part, like, all right. So I asked him about Doc Annel, and he. He was very open about how that guy's getting what he deserves to an extent. He's only got one year. He's. He's. He's, like, almost jealous of it, you know, he only got one year, whereas Joe Exotic's in there for 21. But, like, it does seem like the people around him that were in that documentary, Tiger King, they were all involved in something.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

And they're all starting to now. It's just all kind of catching up to him in one way or another. Man. I'm interested to know if Carole Baskin, who seems like the cleanest of the bunch, but there's all that rumor and innuendo that she killed her ex husband. So who knows?

[Kyle]

She definitely killed her husband. She's definitely a terrible person. Here's the deal. When you're dealing with folks who own actual tigers, everything is sketch. No part of their life can be clean. Everything is all sketch.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. That's. Oh. So funny story. So I had, you know, I'm doing research for the. For the interview. So I'm watching Tiger King, right? And Braden, he comes in, he sees that there's, like, these people that just have tigers, and he's like, holy cow. You could do that. Is that the guy you're to talk to? Can we get tigers? And I'm like, we are not getting tigers. Like, this is not a thing. Did you not catch the part where he's calling from prison? Like, this is not happening.

[Kyle]

Dude, I love. You're like, you guys are just having the interview. He's like, telling us stories, whatever. Like, this call is from. It's like my favorite. I love it.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I debated. I'm like, do I take that out? Like, do I edit that out? Or is that kind of like, sets the tone for what is actually, like. Because there is a reality to this. Like, he's, you know, he's a reality TV personality of sorts.

[Kyle]

Yeah, but.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

But there is reality to this. Whereas the. The consequences of his actions that we saw unfold, you know, in 2020 with the tiger King are why he is where he is right now.

[Kyle]

Oh, yeah, no, that was great. That was great. And you gotta understand, when you hire somebody to kill somebody, you're going to jail. And not only are you going to jail, you're going to be in there and you're going to be somehow sad that somebody else got a lesser sentence. You're just going to completely ignore that you hired a human to kill a human and be like, well, that guy only got a year. What is going on here?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Right? Yeah. And so. And one of the guys, it's. I forget his name, but he's in the documentary and he's one of the people that worked for Joe at the zoo. But it's that guy, you know, that they kind of chronicle like that he, you know, allegedly paid to go down to Florida or wherever and try to kill Carol. Right. And one of his stances right now is that that guy allegedly lied, you know, in his. In his testimony or whatever. And that's some of the facts. But I was. When I was reading about the case, he also made pay. I don't know if he made payments or offer to make payments to somebody to go do this murder for hire to an undercover FBI, like, agent. So, yeah, what even if this guy.

[Kyle]

Pretty clear.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. So I don't know what more he has, and I don't know what kind of lawyer, like, team he's got because that's not cheap, right? So.

[Kyle]

Well, he has $5, so his lawyer team cannot be very good. Although they could be doing the game where, like, they're actually great lawyers because they know at the end of this thing, hopefully they'll get paid. So you never know. You never know. But here's the deal. It's really not fair that he's in there for 21 years because he's just fixing baby's faces.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

So he does.

[Kyle]

That's just fixing baby's faces. I don't know why they're broken, but he's fixing them.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's the part that a lot of people are forgetting is that he did do a lot of good. And he. He did this way before any of the criminal things. He was fixing baby's faces, you know, helping families that couldn't afford that kind of medical procedures. And then he also fed the hungry quite often.

[Kyle]

Quite often quite. He said, I'm Carol Baskin. Cook her up, serve her on a platter.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

No, no, no, she's still alive. So that's the. He probably would do more of the good, you know, when he gets out of prison, I would think.

[Kyle]

Yeah, he was just, what are you gonna do out of prison? Fix more babies faces. Okay. All right, that's cool.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

It's smart on his behalf, though, to just. If that's the question, you know, what are you gonna do to get in prison? And then instantly hit the. The goodwill. Things you did before, you know, like, that's.

[Kyle]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's 100.

[Kyle]

Try to kill Carol Bass.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah, I gotta get the job done, dude.

[Kyle]

That would have been awesome. That would have been a great answer, actually.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

He was. You know what? I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know. He's been in there a long time at this point. I didn't know if we were gonna get a Beaten down. You know, he's sick. You know, he's. He's in a special treatment facility for cancer right now. So I. I didn't know what we'd get or if we get a guy that was hopeful, energetic, and just kind of felt like the day is coming soon when. When he's gonna get released. I. I was happy I got the opportunity to ask him if he's on the Epstein list. That was good. We got that out of the way.

[Kyle]

That was hilarious. I don't even know who Epstein is.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

All he knows is that that name is in the news, and it's not good for Trump. That's all he knew.

[Kyle]

It is not good, sir.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, man. What a. What. What a day, though. He's. Man, it sucked because, like, the call just abruptly ends, right?

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

And then I'm like, well, dang. I was enjoying talking to him. Like, I need more time. Like, where'd you go? Like, I just. I was left wanting more.

[Kyle]

Well, in 15 years, you gotta set an alarm. Fifteen years from now, when he's out, you gotta be like, joe, you're my guy. We talked. Let's talk for longer.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yep, do this. I did email him after, and I was like, hey, man, you need to call in and you want to Go back on. Laugh with me. You let me know you are back. Like that was that. I didn't get enough, you know?

[Kyle]

Exactly, exactly. I like when you're like, you know, we find out he's remarried or whatever, and it's like, that's incredible. You found love in prison. He was like, yeah, it happens.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

You just, you don't know where it's gonna win. Love's gonna hit you. Yeah.

[Kyle]

Sir, we don't know what happens in there. Tell us. I don't know.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I, I missed it that his hus. His new husband was, was released from prison and then immediately deported. Like, I must have missed that whole thing. So then I, I go back after and I'm reading about it. Sure enough, it's. He's. He's in Mexico and he's doing the work for Joe. He's trying to get Joe pardon and get the word out. And then in Joe I've even seen, he's willing. He, he's like, trump doesn't want bad people in America anymore. Great, I'll buy my own ticket. I'm heading to Mexico. Like, he's ready to go.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Pardon me. And I'm out.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I'm out. Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's, he's pretty honest about it. That's for sure.

[Kyle]

He is. He is. I liked it. I liked it. It makes me want to check out his book. He's an interesting guy.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. Like that one. Oh. So what I was saying about the book is he, he wrote it while he was in prison and he used his 30 minutes of computer time a day in order to write the book. So it was quite the process.

[Kyle]

Oh, my God.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

But that's. At least that's what, you know, he said. So he, he has. Yeah. So he's got a book out. I don't know anything about it other than he's got a book and he used his 30 minutes a day to write it. That's all I know.

[Kyle]

That's. That's the info you gather about this book.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

All you know. That's all I know, but we should.

[Kyle]

Learn more about it for when we have the follow up interview. In 15 years. Okay.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

In 15 years. Yes.

[Kyle]

I like it. I like it.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, yeah. Can you.

[Kyle]

I need to know, did you not hit up Carole Baskin's Instagram and just shoot a message and be like, hey, I got this podcast if you would like to come on?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

You know what? That's a hell of an idea. That's a hell of an idea.

[Kyle]

That's what I bring to the table here.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I think. I think I should have. You know what? And you know what's great about Carol? She's gonna have more time.

[Kyle]

Oh, yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

And Right. So, yeah, you know what? Great idea, Kyle. I am going to hit up Carol Baskin. And now that's. That's kind of my goal, is to care.

[Kyle]

Look what we did here. We're just, you know, taking on the world.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yep.

[Joe Exotic]

One.

[Kyle]

One Netflix star at a time.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That's right. Awesome. Can you imagine 34 million people watching your. Watching your show, your life, in, like, the first 10 days of a release about it? Like, that's insane.

[Kyle]

That would be crazy. I wouldn't. I would crumble. I would curl into a ball and never come out of my house again.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Like, how many hundreds of millions by now have seen this story and everything they know about you is this. Yeah.

[Kyle]

That's wild.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

It is wild. It really is.

[Kyle]

I can't even think like that. I can't even think that big. That's crazy. Gosh, we gotta get a Netflix show.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

We really do. What. What would we call it?

[Kyle]

We'll figure it out. All right, Just do dudes.

[Ali Jackson]

I gotta watch.

[Kyle]

Just two dudes.

[Joe Exotic]

All right. All right.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Is that about, I don't know, two dudes? All they do is talk about the Tiger King.

[Kyle]

All right, we'll come up with a better name of these shows. I didn't realize.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It turns out they put a lot of work in the TV shows. Like, they don't just come up with it on the fly during a podcast.

[Kyle]

I thought it just kind of happened.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I was.

[Kyle]

I was wrong. Today's the day I learned, folks. I got smarter.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Joe Exotic official dot com, if you. Anyone listening wants to find out more information about him or even to donate, because he's. He's using the money that he raises from the website to help with his own expenses inside, and then also to help with awareness to help get that. Pardon. Cool.

[Kyle]

Can you get that book on there?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

I think you can.

[Kyle]

Can you get an autographed book on there?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Oh, I highly doubt it.

[Kyle]

Yeah, you have to smuggle it in, sign it, smuggle it out.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

It's a whole process. If you know a guy. I don't. Maybe. Maybe we find a guy. I don't know. There's always that guy inside that could just get things.

[Kyle]

This is true.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Maybe there's a guy that can bring in books, get them signed, get them out. You know, I gotta.

[Kyle]

We gotta find out about. We gotta figure out how to do this. If he's not doing it.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Just think how much money he can make if he could actually figure that out. Because you're gonna buy.

[Kyle]

Hire lawyers to sue everybody.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Like, you're gonna buy the book, right? I'm probably gonna buy the book if that's the case. Yeah. I gotta.

[Kyle]

I gotta check it out. We're all in now.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

All right. Final thoughts on the Tiger King, Joe.

[Kyle]

Exotic on Laugh With Me, I freaking loved it. I did not know what to expect. I think I told you I was very frightened when I first saw it load onto my phone. Yep, it was awesome. I kind of want to go re. Watch the Tiger King. Want to see how that goes down. Gotta see him get not pardoned. Gotta see him put in his time, get out, go to Mexico, buy some sort of weird gold card for money that he doesn't have, and then get back. I want to see how all that works out. I'm invested now. I'm invested.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

There you go. Joe's got a new fan in Kyle. All from his. His call in on Laugh With Me. I. I do.

[Kyle]

Don't call me a thing. I don't know if they fan. It's like a curiosity.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Not a fan.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

All right, that's fair. I. You know, I didn't. I don't think I fully understood that the. The video coverage was from a. Mostly footage that he was having filmed that Netflix purchased or the producers purchased and then did the interviews and testimonials and things after he's in prison. I don't think I. When I watched it, I understood all that, and I don't think I grasped that even after. But then when he's talking about it, we'll shoot. I go back and watch, like, the first couple of episodes. I'm like, okay, this is like a whole different spin on it now. Knowing that all these people are talking about him, knowing that he's in prison right now.

[Joe Exotic]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Yeah, I never thought about that either until he said that. It's like, what?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

So then you gotta think about who. Who did he put in charge of his estate? And that person obviously signed something to just release all this stuff.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

They sure did.

[Kyle]

Oh, it's not good. It's a. It's a big crazy.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Exotic]

Well.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

That'S. That's the south. That's the south, baby. You know? That's the south.

[Kyle]

That's how we do it in the south. Eric knows about that.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Eric? Yeah, he knows all about that. He's. He's as far north as you can get right now, though.

[Kyle]

What?

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yeah. He's, like, vacationing in, like, North Dakota or something.

[Kyle]

Oh, damn, that's. Yeah, that's the tip of the tip of the earth there.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Yep. So. All right, well, thanks for calling in and giving us your thoughts.

[Kyle]

Yeah, thanks for calling. Get more. Get that Carol Baskin. Yeah, I'll do the recap. I'll do the recap. I'll answer the phone. It'll be great.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Awesome. I'm. I'll work on it right now. All right, see you, dude.

[Kyle]

Later.

[Jo (Jeremy Odom)]

Bye.

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