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Le Cours de l'histoire

Episode: Fou d'histoire : Sorj Chalandon, le grand reporter, l'écrivain et l’histoire
Date: February 27, 2026
Host: France Culture
Guest: Sorj Chalandon, grand reporter, écrivain

Overview

This episode explores the intertwined roles of the journalist, historian, and writer in the construction and transmission of history through the prism of Sorj Chalandon’s career, experiences, and family history. The conversation delves into the ethics and methodology of journalism, the weight of personal and collective memory, and the struggle for truth in both public history and private narratives. Chalandon shares emotional anecdotes from his experiences reporting on war and covering historic trials, as well as intimate reflections on his father’s tangled legacy during the Second World War.

Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. The Journalist as Investigator

[00:06-04:10]

• Journalism as Enquête: Both journalists and historians conduct investigations. The origins of “histoire” are anchored in the concept of inquiry.
• Distinction Between Journalist and Reporter: Chalandon prefers "reporter," seeing himself as a witness rather than an expert or a mere conveyor of information.
• Quote:

  « Je ne suis pas journaliste, je suis reporter... Je suis une enveloppe vide, et à force d'entendre, à force d'écouter, à force de fréquenter les gens... je vais peut-être changer d'avis sur la situation. »
  — Sorj Chalandon [02:01]

• On Objectivity and Presence: The reporter must be invisible—what matters are not the reporter's emotions but those of the people on the ground.

2. The Crisis of Trust in Journalism

[04:10-06:59]

• Erosion of Credibility: Chalandon laments the lost trust in journalistic rigor, drawing a contrast between the past and the present where everyone with a phone "is a journalist."
• Respect for the Profession’s Dangers: A reminder of the risks journalists take to inform the public.
• Quote:

  « Il n’y a que suffit d’avoir TikTok, une caméra sur son téléphone… Sauf que non. »
  — Sorj Chalandon [04:15]

• The Emergence of Distrust: Anecdote of intimate access turning into suspicion due to past exploitation by media.

3. The Power of the Journalistic Gaze and of Words

[06:59-11:04]

• Subjectivity in Reporting: All journalists bring a unique gaze—even word choices betray perspective.
• Teaching by Example: Recalling how two reporters can see the same "boutique" but one writes "échoppe misérable," the other "boutique crasseuse," embodying their worldviews.
• Quote:

  « La différence, c’est que toi c’est la misère qui est partout… moi je te dis, un bon coup de balai, un coup de peinture, et c’est terminé. »
  — François Luizet, quoted by Chalandon [09:32]

• Emotional Cost of Witnessing: Chalandon describes breaking down during the Sabra and Chatila massacres reporting, and being told:

  « Il faut que tu changes tes larmes en encre. »
  — François Luizet [10:39]

4. Rigor, Testimony, and the Writing of History

[13:04-18:07]

• Doing Justice to Tragedy: In times of atrocity (e.g. Sabra and Chatila), every word must be chosen with precision—testimony is for history, not literature or self-pity.
• Responsibility and Errors: The story of a Palestinian woman trying to convince Chalandon that a found kippa was proof of direct Israeli involvement—he resisted jumping to conclusions, avoiding a historical error.
• Quote:

  « Il ne faut pas faire littérature avec ça. Il ne faut pas ajouter de mots avec ça… Il faut que tous les mots soient exacts et que tous les mots soient froids. »
  — Sorj Chalandon [13:13]

• The Witness’s Role in Collective Memory: Journalistic records are a resource for future historians, so the "I" must vanish in favor of the fact.

5. From Journalism to Literature: The Influence of Family History

[22:26-34:42]

• The Search for Historical Truth: Chalandon contrasts his father's fantastical self-invention with the certitude (and comfort) of verifiable historical narrative.
• Quote:

  « J’ai besoin de la vérité historique. »
  — Sorj Chalandon [22:55]

• A Father of Many Uniforms: His father wore four different uniforms in five years: French army, Légion Tricolore, German army (NSKK), Resistance, and back to the Germans.
• The Trauma and Importance of Archives: Encountering his father's real records in archives is a moment of emotional reckoning.

  « Larmes, larmes, larmes, silence dans ma tête, tempête dans mon ventre… »
  — Sorj Chalandon [34:53]

• The Weight of the Title "Enfant de salaud": It comes from his grandfather's honest pain:

  « Il faut que tu saches, Sorj, tu es un enfant de salaud. »
  — Grandfather, recounted by Chalandon [31:47]

• Final Deceptions: Even on his deathbed, Chalandon’s father lies about his past, a fact revealed by archive research, highlighting the historian's and journalist's labor against the tide of personal fable.

6. History on Trial: Reporting the Barbie Trial

[39:11-46:04]

• The Emotional Toll of Covering the Trial (1987): Chalandon describes how the trial of Klaus Barbie, along with Sabra and Chatila, formed the core trauma and foundation of his career.
• Banalité du mal: Barbie’s face is mundane—a crucial lesson from witnesses is that evil does not wear a “monster’s” visage:

  « C’est ça qui est terrifiant, c’est qu’il nous ressemble. »
  — Sorj Chalandon [43:59]

• Absence as Catharsis: Barbie’s absence in the box let survivors finally speak to "us all," the collective justice—a process crucial for societal memory and history.

7. Family, Truth, and the Struggle Against Fascism

[46:56-53:38]

• Modern Fascism and Collective Amnesia: Chalandon denounces the normalisation of fascist symbols and narratives in contemporary society.

  « Si on n’est pas antifasciste, on est fasciste. »
  — Sorj Chalandon [46:59]

• Transmission by Literature and Journalism: The stakes of truth-telling, the necessity of archives, and the defense of libraries and free press as first targets of authoritarian power.
• Universal Responsibility:

  « Tant qu’il y aura un seul antisémite, je serai juif. »
  — Ami de Chalandon [52:13]

8. The Writer’s Method: Show, Don’t Tell

[19:37-21:12]

• Economy of Language (Influence of Bégaiement): Chalandon’s restrictive relationship to language, learned through childhood stuttering, led him to the written word and a style of emotional restraint.
• Advice to Young Journalists: Render scenes with images and action, not commentary—“show me” rather than “tell me.”
• Quote:

  « Ne me dites pas, montrez-moi les choses. »
  — Sorj Chalandon [20:28]

Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Description | |-----------|---------|------------------| | [02:01] | Chalandon | « Je ne suis pas journaliste, je suis reporter... être reporter, c'est aller sur un terrain... être bousculé par tout ce qu’on ne savait pas » | | [09:32] | François Luizet (via Chalandon) | « Une échoppe misérable » vs. « Une boutique crasseuse » — the subtle politics and subjectivity in word choice | | [10:39] | François Luizet (via Chalandon) | « Il faut que tu changes tes larmes en encre. » | | [13:13] | Chalandon | « Il ne faut pas faire littérature avec ça... tous les mots doivent être froids. » | | [22:55] | Chalandon | « J’ai besoin de la vérité historique. » | | [31:47] | Grandfather (via Chalandon) | « Il faut que tu saches, Sorj, tu es un enfant de salaud. » | | [43:59] | Chalandon | « C’est ça qui est terrifiant, c’est qu’il nous ressemble. » | | [46:59] | Chalandon | « Si on n’est pas antifasciste, on est fasciste. » | | [52:13] | Ami de Chalandon | « Tant qu’il y aura un seul antisémite, je serai juif. » |

Important Segments (with Timestamps)

• Investigation and Methodology: [00:06–04:10]
• Trust and Ethics in Journalism: [04:10–06:59]
• Subjectivity of the Gaze and the Power of Words: [06:59–11:04]
• Witnessing Sabra and Chatila: [10:10–18:07]
• Teaching Journalism – Show, Don’t Tell: [19:37–21:12]
• Personal History & the Weight of Archives: [22:26–34:53]
• Covering the Barbie Trial: [39:11–46:27]
• On Fascism, Antisemitism, and the Duty to Remember: [46:56–53:38]

Tone & Language

• Reflective and Emotional: Chalandon’s words are marked by humility, emotional sincerity, and a mixture of personal pain and professional method.
• Vivid and Direct: He favors precise, evocative description; his advice to budding journalists echoes his own manner.
• Engaged and Urgent: There is a sense of ethical engagement and a call for vigilance against modern forms of historical distortion or authoritarianism.

Conclusion

The episode is not just an exploration of the intersections between journalism, history, and literature—it is also a meditation on memory, responsibility, and the ceaseless and always complicated search for truth. From the war zones of the Middle East to the archives of postwar France, Chalandon embodies the struggle to keep both private and collective histories honest, vivid, and alive for future generations.

Further Listening

• Extracts from this episode and others in the series can be found on France Culture’s website.