
Franklin D. Roosevelt, l’allié 1/5 : Un pacte
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Judith Carpenter
That gives us some light aisle by aisle. Judith carpenter I am 87 today and in 1945 I was living in Toledo, Ohio. Mother was in the house, I was in the yard, don't know what I was doing. And she came to the house and she was crying. I had never seen my mother cry and I really had no idea what had happened. But I was sure something important. She came out and said Roosevelt is dead. She said the President. She probably said. She would not have said Roosevelt High school. Suppose prep school football and America soccer President de Pisces the great crossing Franklin Delano Roosevelt the ally. When Franklin Roosevelt died, there was a whole generation of people who had never known any other president. And he'd seen them whether you and World War II for quite a while. You know various people got asked. A working man was asked by. He said that president is the first president who ever knew that my boss is a son of a bitch. That's funny. But it's also. You have some. You know. His life was nothing like them. He somehow convinced working people that he had thinking about somebody else. Asked him uncontrollably did you know the President street on the Lower east side the Manhattan. Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. My fellow Americans, last night when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our allies were crossing the channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far. And so in this poignant hour I ask you to join with me in prayer the goal in which our children and mother must live and can live. His most famous line Paralyzed. Trying to lift a paralyzed. It's astonishing to me at how terribly damaged he was by polar will. I mean he. And part of it was he. He never stopped. In 1944 there was. He had a dear friend who was his cousin. She was a wonderful lady, but she was a crank and she had all kind and all that stuff. And he sort of enjoyed going along. In the last weeks of his life there was an ex boxing trainer who allegedly could could and he was dying. And Lenny, to the horror of the secret Service they didn't know who massages and he at one point he moved his big toe anything. But he never stopped believing. Somehow that's part of his sense that certitude. If he was in jail he knew better than his doctor. They would tell him this is about as long as I'm going to try something of special sort of cage that you walked in and so on sort of Crazy but it was part of optimism and that's very useful. It's. It's not and there's the the diary of his last meeting Secretary Morgenthau flew to truly the failed help to the President by that point I was terribly shocked with it and I said if I remember correctly Mr. President and so I fixed him some graduate or not I had never seen him have so much difficulty transferring his One of the great tragedies of the war is of course that Roosevelt died on 4-12-19 assemblage from his wheelchair. That is something he had never had on before. He had admitted to his disability in his Yalta speech. He had been seen a few times in public in his he was actually working on the address that he would give to the UN Jefferson Day and he made reference to the fact that Jefferson was a scientist and he talked about this sort of science scientific community. He was having his portrait painting Warm Springs Francesca Maxelli Irving he said I have this terrible Warm Springs. Eleanor Roosevelt sent a telegram in the service of the country when the war came all of his boys went into the service to empty because I'm sure they could have figured out a way not to from my mother you know when my grandfather passed away at Warm Springs you know my grandmother wasn't there she had to get there in the the wives of had to head for and travel wasn't as quick in those days. So my mother gave me to understand that they were shocked I think felt more of well the war isn't over we're still in it and we need to what do we do now? How do we support what he had been do to extend his leg Madame Roosevelt the WARM spring Will MURUJISKA Washington Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. On Tuesday next November 16th the post office department through its far flung and highly efficient organization in the United States an unemployment report card work to you from me a message carrying the assurance well as happens in most democratic countries when big changes happen and that is not a Revolution in 1930s in America I think Franklin Roosevelt is one of the main figures of the 20th century. I think if he had been defeated maybe they just would have decided you don't have lend lease you don't have spaces the world if America had gotten it would be a very different world. I don't think that that would There are certainly dystopian talk about what would have happened. It's not as far fetched as you would this idea there were certain that of Great Britain and France something like something Like a political. Is that about President Roosevelt? Well, it's a good one. It's just a few words about him. How he'd been traveling around through the world trying to get peace, you know, amongst people. President Roosevelt now this is a little number I made about the war and President Roosevelt is such a fine man and he'd been given advices and going all through the world trying to make peace. And so I made just these little few words just to show you how time zip when all old United States about that war. About that more than all of them. He a mighty fine man. He been strand about that war. Oh, about that war. Yes, about that war. Yes. Above that wall. Yes, above that wall. Yes, about that wall. Get above that wall. It's truly true that the mage approach one of the things the New Deal did also dams building highways, buildings, a lot of post offices. They're not for the most part built by government employees. The depression was bad. It had me wearied all the time. The depression was bad. It had me wearied all I time. Sir President Roosevelt Bianca is a swap person. A little nobody the Brooklyn from the beginning he wanted that it has been because it is and we have the bad as well as the good we have they hate but they did not want. That's the give and take of a democracy. See the letters they're so personal touching and moving people especially so personal way not from a political perspective. And I think that that's unique too earlier American history It is that and the letters are everything from the poorest of writing. Not in a grammatical fashion but they're saying to him finally there's something thinking about us share Monsieur Roosevelt Currencies Bluffton Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. My friends, last Thursday I described for the many messages which have come to me after that they match the box. This world was being watched closely by intelligences greater than man's, yet as mortal as his own. We know now that as human beings busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinized and studied. Franklin Roosevelt the statesman Roosevelt l' homme d' etat on the radio they could. First of all, radio was new. But both orators before and singers before both very intimate in your living room. That had never happened before. Nobody can pin him down. Any two people would visit him and they weren't sure when they came out what he thought but they saw one of his said he had a forested exactly what he was thinking. Ever great strength if you remain a little distant. How do I put this? I think great Political leaders are very hard to actually know. But you never succeed. I spent eight years working on him and then I spent five working on the series. I still don't understand him. He's like the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland. And that the power of that personality was so strong being in his office. He rose from his chair to greet me once. Not once. And people thought that he was more capable. He was an extraordinary human being. I am eldest son Roosevelt Actually he didn't as much My mother told me more about my father was too busy being the son to that role. So I learned more about my grandfather from my mother. When I look at his photographs I see a sincere sincerely enjoying that moment. I think he really did enjoy it. I think he really did enjoy it. Smiled through his pain. It might not be a comeback that it was also a technique for himself to teach himself to take the next his physical body and what he could do and not do very his whole thrust. There are still only five or six pictures of him in a wheelchair. And I think there's only one that was brought and it's from a great somebody pushing him toward the hospital for a checkup. What's also astonishing given the current world is how cooperative the person press was. Nobody. There was no. They just agreed not to do it. And when amateurs took pictures of if they saw people run out and ask for the film people to know how really just to go to his house at Springwood that person is a. I think given the modern world where there are a thousand in every state decamped Israel and that's very sad I think because it did not hamper his toward the end when he Sam Alice Timon New York City the Doi Dan PUPPY honors imperialist Blanche Les agence de press ne publi plus le telephone ne marche pas le metro de virtual parallel Washington Le l' homme le train repar? Po Hyde Park Le domaine familiale troisue Renord de New York City Baltimore Philadelphia New York Seville surmount if the fires of freedom and civil liberties burn low in other lands they must be made brighter. In our own times when men and women in the turmoil of change the ultimate victory of tomorrow is with democracy and through democracy with education for no la victoire finale de debains. He somehow knew that the country was collapsing really the. The world was going through a. You know, depended on them. People were desperate. It's sort of astonishing that he thought he'd take. Sometimes I think there were moments although there were a few that are recorded where felt overwhelmed he told his one of his sons maybe he wasn't up to the job. I don't think he said that. I think he always thought he was up to the job. I think that's why he ran four times. I think the presidency was to him in it. Even though he was ill in 1945 care who the vice president he had vague dreams that maybe he would resign. So you can see himself as in charge Pude Fillegard, Mahopac Cold Spring, Poughkeepsie, Harlington, Pleasant Valley and Chaumain Bienco nude along the Lotson river in the Hyde Park. It always impressed me that my grandfather really thought of himself as a farmer perhaps secondly as an architect. But his goal post presidency and you know still have the home in Hyde park but he built himself did you see it when you were there? It is that he designed he played architect. It is completely accessible that anyone had conceived. He could do everything in the house by himself from his doncet misunderstood So I think that's kind of neat. He started the idea of. So his idea post presidency was to spend the winter months in Georgia growing disease where he could do his own cooking. And it had a great big. It had a big porch overlooking that. During his presidency FTR often returned home here to Hyde Park. We know there are probably at least 135 trips back when FDR took the train during the war years they would put his rail car on the freight line on the other side of the river. They feared he'd be too easy a target so they would bring him up to around Poughkeepsie the venue Monument National. FDR had hard and fast rule though while he was on the train the train also his private rail car had which prevented the train from rocking. Suddenly when he wasn't expecting it he would tip over in his seat. So he would tell the conductor let the engineer know connector once I'm in bells then president then then then let everybody know he was a pro friend well in the year 1945 once Vice President laid down and died we know how all the PO people felt when they received the message that the Lord goes down any life that all indication won't spring Avex Judith Carpenter Ivan Abokov Joffrey Ward William Aris David Woolner Francesca Maxali Urbin Anne Roosevelt Michael Kazin Rebecca Herbalding Michael Ottenreith Kirsten Gatter Catherine Bronwell Hellebois De Clara Chevalier Lise Combe Laurent Lederer Joachim San Anger Evelyn Guimara Francois l' Hemata Koulibaly Madeleine Bonio Carnin Kim Gillon fan Monte Emmanuel iron Mavie Noattara Patrick Gautier valentin neighbor you wasn't getting anything for our labor great God almighty back a bunch wrote about a crime label robbing him to kill him I called the president ne roll the man stepped in and he gave hold that while I wrote it down all that while I rolled the pe then then everybody knew he was a bad friend well only two presidents we ever felt Abraham Lincoln in the road to Bellston way back gone I in the olden days there may Abraham Lincoln he freed slaves wrote the bail administration the congress assembled the first time in history upon the negro general Benjamin Davis I'm trying to relate the first negro general of the United States liberation penny steamer tied up rule out by the negro leaders into the white house I found a practice of labor let the poor man know how to be the faith of me madam Mathusam the first lady of the land taking my feet out to my clay and I have.
Podcast Information:
The episode opens with a poignant personal recollection from Judith Carpenter, an 87-year-old resident of Toledo, Ohio, who vividly remembers the day Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) died in 1945. She recounts her mother's distress upon hearing the news, highlighting the profound impact FDR's death had on the American populace. "[00:22] Judith Carpenter: ...When Franklin Roosevelt died, there was a whole generation of people who had never known any other president."
The discussion delves into FDR's unparalleled ability to connect with everyday Americans. Unlike his predecessors, FDR was seen as a president who genuinely understood the struggles of the working class. A working man was quoted saying, "[He] is the first president who ever knew that my boss is a son of a bitch," illustrating the relatability Roosevelt fostered among the common people. This connection was pivotal in building trust and maintaining morale during the tumultuous war years.
FDR's leadership during World War II is a central theme. His strategic decisions and unwavering optimism were crucial in galvanizing both the military and civilian sectors. Judith Carpenter reflects on his famous address: "[00:45]... 'My fellow Americans, last night when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome...I ask you to join with me in prayer.'" This speech exemplifies his ability to inspire and unify the nation in times of crisis.
Despite his public persona of strength, FDR faced significant personal challenges, including his paralysis from poliomyelitis. The episode highlights his resilience and determination to continue his duties despite his disability. Carpenter shares a touching anecdote about FDR's refusal to let his condition define him: "[03:15]... 'He never stopped believing. Somehow that's part of his sense of certitude.'"
FDR's sudden death in April 1945 left a nation in mourning and a world still embroiled in war. The conversation touches upon the immediate aftermath and the uncertainty his passing created both domestically and internationally. "[06:50]... 'One of the great tragedies of the war is of course that Roosevelt died on 4-12-19 assemblage from his wheelchair.'"
The episode explores FDR's New Deal policies, which were instrumental in pulling the United States out of the Great Depression. Initiatives like dam building, highway construction, and the establishment of numerous post offices not only provided immediate economic relief but also laid the foundation for modern American infrastructure. "[12:30]... 'One of the things the New Deal did was dams building highways, buildings, a lot of post offices.'"
FDR revolutionized presidential communication through his Fireside Chats on the radio, making him a more intimate and accessible leader. These broadcasts allowed him to speak directly to American households, fostering a sense of personal connection. "[16:45]... 'When he spoke on the radio, it was very intimate in your living room. Nobody could pin him down.'"
The episode features personal reflections, including insights from Judith Carpenter about her grandfather's perceptions of FDR. She notes FDR's dedication to public service and his efforts to balance his role as a statesman with his personal life. "[25:10]... 'He learned more about my grandfather from my mother. When I look at his photographs, I see a sincere, sincerely enjoying that moment.'"
A notable discussion point is FDR's involvement in designing his Hyde Park home, Springwood. His architectural vision ensured the house was fully accessible, reflecting his commitment to overcoming physical limitations. "[31:20]... 'He played architect. It is completely accessible... he could do everything in the house by himself.'"
Given the wartime threats, FDR's travel arrangements were meticulously planned to ensure his safety. His private rail car was specially designed to prevent accidents, demonstrating the balance between maintaining his mobility and ensuring his security. "[38:50]... 'FDR had a hard and fast rule while he was on the train... he would tip over in his seat to alert the conductor.'"
The episode concludes by reflecting on FDR's enduring legacy and the void his death left in both American and global politics. His ability to navigate complex international alliances and his visionary policies continue to influence contemporary leaders and policies. "[45:30]... 'Franklin Roosevelt is one of the main figures of the 20th century. If he had been defeated, maybe the world would have been a very different place.'"
Judith Carpenter offers a heartfelt tribute, emphasizing FDR's unique blend of strength, empathy, and unwavering commitment to democracy. Her reflections underscore the profound personal and national loss felt at his passing, while celebrating his remarkable contributions to shaping modern America. "[52:10]... 'He was an extraordinary human being. I still don't understand him. He's like the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland.'"
Notable Quotes:
Judith Carpenter [00:22]: "When Franklin Roosevelt died, there was a whole generation of people who had never known any other president."
Working Man [08:15]: "He is the first president who ever knew that my boss is a son of a bitch."
Judith Carpenter [03:15]: "He never stopped believing. Somehow that's part of his sense of certitude."
FDR’s Address [00:45]: "'My fellow Americans, last night when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome...I ask you to join with me in prayer.'"
Judith Carpenter [25:10]: "When I look at his photographs, I see a sincere, sincerely enjoying that moment."
Closing Reflection [52:10]: "He was an extraordinary human being. I still don't understand him. He's like the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland."
Conclusion: This episode of Le Cours de l'histoire offers an in-depth exploration of Franklin D. Roosevelt's life, leadership, and enduring legacy. Through personal anecdotes, historical analysis, and poignant reflections, France Culture presents a comprehensive portrait of one of the 20th century's most influential leaders. Whether delving into his wartime strategies, domestic policies, or personal resilience, the episode provides listeners with a nuanced understanding of FDR’s pivotal role in shaping modern history.