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Most firms send their project managers to a bootcamp once a year, hand them a certificate, and call it development. Anthony Fasano says that's not even close. PMs are running your client relationships, your budgets, your teams. They are CEOs of their projects. If you are not building them like CEOs, you are capping your own growth. Anthony just released Beyond PM Training, and his ecosystem approach is a wake up call for any firm that thinks a seminar is a strategy.

In this episode, Anthony and BJ break down the four phases of real PM development, why 90 percent of firms cannot even tell you how many PMs they have, the abundance mindset most of the industry is missing, and the line BJ keeps coming back to. Systems beat seminars. If you run a firm or you are a PM trying to develop yourself, this one is the blueprint.

Topics discussed:

00:00 - Why PM development is the real growth lever
02:33 - PM development is an ecosystem, not a class
04:01 - The four phases of the development ecosystem
05:07 - Why 90 percent of firms cannot even count their PMs
06:18 - Why you have to assess PMs before you train them
10:14 - Getting senior PMs speaking the same language
17:14 - PMs have to advocate for themselves too
19:10 - The abundance mindset that lifts the whole industry
21:19 - Why systems beat seminars
23:11 - How to micro dose PM development

Connect with Anthony Fasano:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyjfasano/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EngineeringManagementInstitute/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/engineeringmanagementinstitute/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@engmgtinstitute
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Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@EngineeringManagement
Website:https://engineeringmanagementinstitute.org/

Connect with BJ Kraemer:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bj-kraemer-9a0855b/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bj_kraemer/
Website: https://mcfaglobal.com/
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4bcvcAw0rigwymZCwZgfgN?si=45fc1e07c82742ee
Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leadership-blueprints/id1561090224

This episode was produced by Podcast Boutique: https://www.podcastboutique.com