How to Break Into Fashion, with Industry Commentator Jack Savoie

Summary

Let's Get Dressed — Ep. "How to Break Into Fashion" with Jack Savoie

Host: Liv Perez
Guest: Jack Savoie, Fashion Commentator
Date: July 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the realities of breaking into the fashion industry in 2026. Host Liv Perez talks to Jack Savoie, a stylist, buyer, and rising commentator known for his deep fashion knowledge and viral social media presence. Together, they cover Jack’s unconventional career path from Denver, the democratization of fashion through social media, actionable advice for aspiring entrants, the importance of content creation, and the changing landscape of industry gatekeeping. Rich with storytelling, career tips, and current fashion landscape hot takes, the episode is both entertaining and pragmatic for anyone interested in working in (or simply loving) fashion today.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Jack’s Background & Career Path

• Raised in Denver, Jack loved dresses and design from an early age, leading him to study design at Colorado State University rather than at high-profile fashion schools.
  • "I started sewing everything by hand, and I got really involved in the creation of it all..." (09:43)
  • Chose a less competitive environment to avoid being overwhelmed and to stand out (10:28).
• Jack interned at Proenza Schouler in New York, experiencing the "Devil Wears Prada" life, but declined a poorly-paid full-time offer post-internship, citing work-life balance and pay concerns (12:29).
• Returned to Denver, worked in designer shoes at Nordstrom, and then joined A Line boutique, becoming both a successful stylist and buyer, traveling to NYC and Paris for market trips (14:47-15:15).

2. Building a Personal Brand Through Content

• Jack grew a following on TikTok with “celebrity outfit ratings” post-Covid, and later surged in popularity when he identified a fake Manolo Blahnik shoe in a Bethenny Frankel video:
  • "That is a fake Manolo Blahnik. I know. I sold Manolo Blahniks at Nordstrom. I know a real shoe, okay?" (00:01, 17:57)
  • Bethenny Frankel’s endorsement led to rapid growth ("...within, like, eight hours, I went from, like, 20,000 to 67,000 [followers]." — 19:00)
• “Shoes of the Past,” a nostalgic series on now-iconic shoes, struck a chord with millennials and fueled another viral wave (20:58-21:29).
• Jack emphasizes the need for a niche and authentic POV in content creation: "I do. I think you kind of have to have a little bit of a realm you want to be in. ... Having an area of concentration is important." (30:21)

3. Fashion’s Evolving Gatekeeping & Access

• Both host and guest agree: you don’t need to live in NYC or LA to work in fashion now. Social media has “smashed the gates.”
  • "Especially with where we are in terms of social media and, like, you can literally do anything from anywhere." (05:00, 23:05)
  • Fashion is no longer a veiled, elite world; Jack’s own rise from Denver illustrates new pathways (8:36).
• The role of commentators has grown as traditional media lags behind real-time social reporting (40:10-45:25).

4. Balancing Multiple Full-Time Careers

• Jack manages a full-time job in retail (stylist/buyer) and a thriving content creator career, describing it as a hustle:
  • "I have two full time jobs. ... When I go home, I’m creating. If you really want to do it, there’s the hustle behind it." (23:24, also reiterated at 27:03)
  • Emphasizes preventing burnout and establishing boundaries: “You have to say no to some things, which is hard.” (27:03)

5. Practical Advice for Breaking Into Fashion & Content

• Start small: Internships, entry-level retail, or assisting established professionals offer foundational knowledge and networking (28:49)
  • "Intern... Having the structure... was super helpful. Understanding how things work, work, I think, is very important." (28:49)
• For creators: Content rooted in personal curiosity and nostalgia builds community. Just start—perfection isn’t the goal.
  • "Done is better than perfect." (01:00, 31:13)

6. Building Industry Relationships

• Opportunities often come from putting yourself out there and accepting non-glamorous invites:
  • Jack landed in key rooms by talking about trending moments on social media—eventually getting invited by Kim Kardashian to a Ryan Murphy dinner (32:07-33:42).
  • “You have to jump at that opportunity.” (34:32)
  • Sacrifices, like covering events on your own dime, can pay off with career-defining experiences (34:03-34:57).

7. Hot Takes: Fashion Trends & The State of Retail (2026)

• Major brands creating desire: Chanel, Dior (Jonathan’s “lily pad shoes”), KALMIER, and emerging designer Daniela K. (35:16-37:07).
  • “People are craving whimsical things... What Matthew’s brought [to Chanel] is amazing.” (35:16)
• Retail that works features newness, creativity, textural interest, and versatile silhouettes—citing Joseph’s raffia dress as an instant hit (38:16-39:09).
• Red carpet favorites: Teyana Taylor, Somber “all the Valentino,” Renate Reinzva styled by Carla Welch (39:33-40:03).

8. The Rise of Social Media Commentators in Fashion

• Social media commentators (Jack, Brenda Hashtagdadabout, Make it Fashion, Old Loser in Brooklyn) are now essential for timely, fun, and educational fashion news:
  • "Call me a commentator. I'm gonna commentate!" (40:55)
  • Content creators now often break news before traditional outlets. Example: Jack accurately ID’ing Sabrina Carpenter’s Dior look at Coachella before Vogue published its story—prompting other outlets to follow his lead, sometimes without credit. (42:20-45:05)
  • “People want to follow people, not publications.” (45:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

“That is a fake Manolo Blahnik. I know. I sold Manolo Blahniks at Nordstrom. I know a real shoe, okay?”
— Jack, (00:01 & 17:57)

“You just have to start. There’s never going to be a right time.”
— Jack, (05:58, 31:10)

“Done is better than perfect.”
— Liv, (01:00, 31:13)

“[Having] an area of concentration is important... but it might evolve.”
— Jack, (30:21)

“I feel like you are someone whose career I’ve loved watching skyrocket... and someone who I truly go to for like breaking news, hot button topics.”
— Liv, (08:05)

“Fashion in 2026 is no longer gate kept.”
— Liv, (08:38)

“I think being in a design side but also having that knowledge... has been really beneficial. … I like education and I like knowing what’s going on. So if I can help educate, I think it’s great.”
— Jack, (22:00)

“It’s a balancing act. It’s a tough act. But, you know, you can do it. I think people can do it. It just takes time.”
— Jack, (24:31)

“Call me a commentator. I’m gonna commentate! I love that space and I love talking about what’s going on.”
— Jack, (40:55)

“I am going to all of your guys’ feeds during fashion month quicker than I am going to publications that I follow.”
— Liv, (45:20)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Jack’s big Hermes Birkin moment: 04:26–07:58
• Fashion’s lack of gatekeeping in 2026: 08:36–09:43
• Jack’s career origin story: 09:43–15:15
• Viral Bethenny Frankel story: 17:57–19:18
• The growth of “Shoes of the Past”: 20:58–21:29
• Balancing creator and retail jobs: 23:24–27:58
• Advice for breaking into fashion/content: 28:49–31:20
• Building industry contacts via content: 31:43–34:03
• State of desire and what’s working in fashion brands: 35:16–38:05
• What’s working in retail: 38:16–39:09
• Commentators and breaking news vs. traditional media: 40:10–45:28

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is energetic, candid, and highly encouraging. Liv and Jack champion persistence, authenticity, and resourcefulness for breaking into fashion and making a mark online. The mood is both friendly and authoritative—a behind-the-scenes peek at how the industry is evolving, delivered by two insiders who love fashion but take care not to glamorize its challenging aspects.

Jack’s story is a study in making it work outside the expected big cities, using social media strategically, and mixing an “off-duty” creative hustle with professional experience. They repeatedly return to the value of curiosity, niche expertise, and just starting—reminding listeners that fashion’s gates are open wider than ever for those willing to show up and speak up.

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For more:

• Jack Savoie on Instagram/TikTok for insightful, funny, and educational fashion commentary
• Previous Let's Get Dressed episodes for deep dives into retail, trends, and more career stories

Transcript

[A]

Bethenny Frankel was at TJ Maxx, and she picks a Manolo, flips it over, flips it back, and I kept like playing it back over and over and over. And I was like, that is a fake Manolo Blahnik. I know. I sold Manolo Blahniks at Nordstrom. I know a real shoe. Okay? I know a real shoe.

[B]

I'm really excited to dive into how you got into fashion. You have a full time job, you're working as a stylist.

[A]

I have two full time jobs. You know, I work 10 to six, five days a week. It's a full week. And then when I go home, I'm creating. If you really want to do it, you know, there's the hustle behind it. All right? It's like one day I'm in the store and then the next day I'm flying to LA to go to a premiere. Best of both worlds, baby.

[B]

Do you really think that you have to live in New York or even LA to be in fashion these days?

[A]

I don't think so. Especially with where we are in terms of social media and you can literally do anything anywhere.

[B]

Fashion 2026 is no longer gate kept. I love the industry so much. How do I get in there?

[A]

You just have to start. There's never going to be a right time.

[B]

Done is better than perfect. Welcome back to let's get Dressed. Before we dive into today's episode, make sure that you're following the show both on Apple podcasts and Spotify so that you don't miss a new episode. In case you want to watch today's episode, you can head over to YouTube. The full episode is available there too. And when you're done, leave us a review. I always love to hear what you guys think about the episodes, and it really helps the show. Go now, let's go get dressed. Welcome to the pod.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

I'm so happy to have you. I feel like we've been planning this for a while. I'm so excited we got you in la.

[A]

I know. I'm like, here I am, Pop in your situation.

[B]

This morning is like something I feel like I need to. I'm like anybody. If you're not local to LA and you want to. Come on, let's get dressed. Do what Jack just did. You flew into Burbank, which is like 10 minutes from here.

[A]

So easy. I literally.

[B]

First of all, thank you for flying in for us, son. I'm honored.

[A]

Come on. It's so close to Denver.

[B]

It was like an hour and A half flight, right?

[A]

That's it. Maybe, like, two.

[B]

And then you're literally leaving right after this.

[A]

Yeah, I'm just, like, in and out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's like, I'll be back home before dinner.

[B]

There's this, like, weird part of me that loves that, like, feels like a true businesswoman when, like, I, like, go to lax, drive. Drive my car, park at the airport, pop over to, like, you know, not the East Coast. Cause that's a full day. But, like, I've done it where I've had to, like, pop to Salt Lake City or, like, pop to Texas for the day and come back home and, like, get in my car at the airport. And I'm like, this is adulting to the max. Yeah.

[A]

But going east. Oh, God.

[B]

I have been flying into Newark, though, which has changed my life.

[A]

I like LaGuardia.

[B]

Yeah. But does Denver fly out of LaGuardia?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. See, you're. You're blessed.

[A]

Yeah. Southwest Delta, they also. JFK mess. I just had a mess at jfk.

[B]

I've consistently had messes at jfk. When is that construction over?

[A]

I don't think it's going to be over. I got stuck at a Prada sample sale on my way to the airport. That's just me. But I, like, I. I had to go.

[B]

The one that just happened in May?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I did the exact same thing last year.

[A]

I had to go from the city,

[B]

and it's on the west side Highway.

[A]

Then I had to go to my hotel.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Then I had to pick up my bags.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Then I had to go. I mean, it's. It was a nightmare.

[B]

Yeah. But I was willing to miss my flight for the Prada sample sale. It was like, the last morning I was in New York, my flight was, like, midday. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna try to make it. I went, had all my bags, ran to the airport with the bags.

[A]

I kept going around in there.

[B]

Me, too.

[A]

The men's, it was like. It was okay. The men's was okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't love everything, so I'm like, let's see what the women's has. You know, I'm doing it all. I'm doing all the things. So I was looking at the shoes. Meh. Like, there was a lot of Ready to wear for women. Miu Miu and Prada.

[B]

I didn't have that when I was there last year. There was no Mew Mew. It was Prada only. Wow.

[A]

But anyways, I got a really beautiful yellow sweater with epaulettes. I'M very into an epaulette, clearly.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Oh, God, it was gorgeous. And it has a little pocket. And then, of course, I'm like, googling. I'm like, okay, how much was this before? Like, I want to, like, see. Oh, my God. It was, like, a $2,500 sweater for, like, 400 bucks.

[B]

I love a sample sale. I love an outlet. We were just talking about outlets.

[A]

Love an outlet.

[B]

I think that's, like, my M.O. when shopping these days.

[A]

I like a deal. I like finding a little. A little house. I like a little scavenger hunt.

[B]

I could tell you the last time I bought something, like, full price at a store, but it was, like, two years ago, I bought a Bottega bag in the airport. Speaking of which, we love to start our show with a series called Receipts. And so I want to know, what is the biggest splurge you have ever splurged on for your closet?

[A]

It was literally a month ago.

[B]

What'd you get? Oh, my God. Great timing. Immaculate timing.

[A]

Oh, my God. It was a month ago. I still. Well, we'll get to that. I got a text from my salesperson at Hermes, and she was like, hey, babe. She was like, so I'm seeing you on Sunday. What time? 13 or 5? And I was like, 1 1? I was like, 9am Actually, no, I think she said 11am And I was like, earliest possible. I was like, what? And it was Sunday. It was their Mother's Day event. And I was like, mother's Day event? Why are you inviting me to the Mother's Day? Right? Like, I have something for you. I was like, don't. I was like, I can't do this with you today. I was like, can I just FaceTime you? And she was like, sure. So she liked to a room. And then she was like. I was like, what is it? And she was like, you'll be excited. And I had just been in there, like, a week before, not doing anything. Like, I always. I just visit. I'm a visiting, you know, I'm visit looking visiting, you know? And she sits me down. She's like, okay, we need to update your wish list. And I was like, okay, she set

[B]

you in the week before this happened?

[A]

Well, I just walked in the week before, right? And she was just like, yeah. She was like, let's sit down. Let's update your wish list. You know, let's go through colors. She was like, do you still want a Birkin? And I was like, yeah, okay. Like, Birkin. Okay. What about Kelly? Okay. Like, Kelly. Okay, this. You know, and then colors. Let's talk about colors. I'm like, okay. You know, still like the greens. Still like the dark blues. I don't really need black. I don't really need all that. But then I was like, but rouge ash, you know, I love rouge ash. It's so good, you know?

[B]

And then for people who don't know,

[A]

it's like a burgundy. It's kind of like a really chic burgundy. Look it up. It's fabulous. Oh, my God. It's gray color. She goes, okay. She was like, got it. So then I left. And then I got a call from her, and she was like, hey, come in. So then I FaceTimed with her because I was like, don't do this. Hi person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, don't do this bullshit to me today. I was like, no. So then she goes into a fitting room, opens it up, and it was a Birkin 30, size 30 in Togo with Roche Palladium Hardware. Wow. Gorge. And I was like, yep.

[B]

That's how they get you.

[A]

I was like, why now? I gotta. Now I gotta get creative. Creative financing right now. I gotta move things around. I gotta.

[B]

This credit card that's half on this,

[A]

half on that, half on this, half

[B]

on that financing on this.

[A]

I'm like, what am I selling now? I gotta get rid of something that's a big thing for me. I'm like, if I'm getting a big thing like that, I'm like, all right, we gotta shed. What are we getting rid of?

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I really do. Because I think if you don't do that, that's how just, like, the clutter comes in. Oh, you gotta make the energy right. For the Birkin, of course. You know, Set the scene.

[A]

Huh? Well, energy. Speaking of, I still haven't opened it. Sitting in my closet in a box.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I feel that it needs to be the right time, and it's gotta sit with me. It's gotta acclimate to my environment. Okay. I do this to all my purchases. They go under the bed or they go in the closet for about a month. Usually about a month. And then, you know, I gotta sit on it, A, I gotta pay it off.

[B]

Yep. And you can't wear it without the guilt, you know?

[A]

Gotta pay it off. B, it's just gotta, you know, it's gotta ease into my environment. She's gotta meet her friends, you know?

[B]

Yeah. It's so funny. I'm the opposite. I will buy something, and I'm wearing it every day. For the day you're, like, walking out of the store, and then I'm sick of it. And then it comes back out, like, three months later.

[A]

I gotta treasure these things. You know, I gotta.

[B]

No, your. Your. Your way is probably the best way. Like, it's gotta find its way. And you're right. You gotta find the right moment for it. You do the right outfit where, like, it all really works.

[A]

Oh, I'm thinking. See, now I've had time to think on it. I have the perfect unboxing planned.

[B]

We're ready.

[A]

Stay tuned, please.

[B]

Well, congratulations. Mother's Day was a huge. You became a broken mama. I mean, that's a great purchase. I can't wait to see you wear it for the first time.

[A]

Fabulous.

[B]

I'm thrilled to have you on today because I feel like you are someone whose career I've loved watching skyrocket and someone whose content I consume voraciously. What I think is most inspiring to me about what you do and the position you hold in the fashion landscape is you are someone who lives in Denver and you know, you know when to come in town for the right things. But while living there, you are someone who I truly go to for, like, breaking news. Really, you know, hot button topics.

[A]

Hey, Denver, right?

[B]

But, you know, I think it's really reminded me, or more not reminded me, like, really solidified this idea that, like, fashion in 2026 is no longer gate kept. Like, there are no longer. There's no longer this, you know, peek behind the curtain vibe veiled industry that I think you and I really grew up seeing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Which is why I think the Devil Wears Prada 2 didn't land as much as the Devil Wears Prada 1 did.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

It's like the Devil Wears Prada 1 was chic for everyone. Well, of, like, even if you were in fashion, you were like, I want to be there. Even though you were there, I still.

[A]

That movie, I mean, it just brings you back to that moment when you were like, this is why I wanted to be in fashion.

[B]

Absolutely. And so I think the times are different and for the better. I have met and have been able to talk to so many incredible people all over the world on this show who have really important voices in fashion. And it doesn't just mean that you need to quit your life and move to New York to make it happen.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I'm really excited to dive into how you got into fashion and what this journey has been like for you. And I also. I'm so excited to hear about what fashion is like, in Denver. But take me back to the beginning, he says, oh, please.

[A]

Oh, please. Yeah, in the beginning. Gosh. I guess growing up, I loved dresses and gowns, and I loved this, like, whole drama of it all. And I was like, God, I, like, I want to make that. And, you know, weirdly enough, like, you know, Cinderella, like, when the mice are, like, sewing the garments with the needle and thread like that, to me, I was like, I need a needle and thread in my hand. And so that's kind of where I started. I started sewing everything by hand, and I got really involved in the creation of it all. I loved creating, and I loved using my hands, and I love drawing, and I loved drawing dresses and the whole thing. And then I was like, I want to pursue this, you know, But I think there was, like, a little bit of an internal struggle. Like, I think I always knew that I was, like, getting gay, but, like, I didn't want people to know that. So I was like, I'm gonna study architecture. What? Like, come on. Like, do what you want to do. And then when I came out, you know, eventually I was like, yeah, I want to pursue this. Like, I want to be this person. Like, this is who I am. This is what I want to do. And I went to school for design. Went to Colorado State, actually. They have a really great design program. I looked in London. I looked at St. Martin's I looked at Parsons, and I feel like those schools, they're wonderful schools, but I am really happy with where I ended up because the schools just seem, like very competitive, very creative. Like, I feel like I would have had, like, a panic attack at the schools, like, fully. I mean, looking at, like, there's just so much beauty and so much creativity stemming from people, I feel like I would feel a little overwhelmed. So being at Colorado State and, like, Farm Town, you know, it's like you're kind of like a big fish in a small pond in a way, you know? And I feel like it was a really great balance of, like, you know, like, here's Colorado. But then you're also doing, you know, fashion life. So it was kind of nice. I liked it.

[B]

I appreciate that a lot, because I think fashion specifically, I'm sure for so many other categories, is one of those places where it's like, you have to go be in the epicenter, and you have to go compete with the best.

[A]

Totally. And, you know, I mean, I was doing it there. I was fully creating. You know, I created, like, a senior thesis collection and the whole thing. And then when it came down to the internship portion. That's when I was like, okay, now we've gotta go to a city, you know, So I applied everywhere and Prowen's a schooler, actually allowed me to come be a little baby intern. So that was a really great experience. And that, I think was that Devil Wears Prada movie. Like, getting into that scene was so amazing. I learned a lot really quickly in that space and it kind of like, kind of shaped me and I really truly value that experience.

[B]

So what brought you back home?

[A]

Well then, you know, they offered me a job. And I mean, the pay in fashion is like zero. And I don't, I don't want to like discredit that. Like, I think people really want that. And I just don't think that that was the right thing for me. You know, I was like, I don't want to work 60 hour work weeks and make $0 living in New York City. Like, people want to climb that ladder. I just, it just didn't feel right to me. And I was like, no. You know, so I kind of was like, okay, what am I going to do? And I was kind of looking at like other designers and things and I was just like, let me just go home. So I went home and I started working at Nordstrom, which I had worked at when I was in college and in high school I'd done Nordstrom, Nordstrom Rack. So went back, was in designer shoes and I loved it. That was a great time. I loved, wow. Nordstrom shoes.

[B]

Designer shoes at Nordstrom is a fun place to be.

[A]

It was great. Oh my gosh, it was fabulous. And that was a really good time of working on Nordstrom too. I feel like I know a lot of people and we all worked at Nordstrom at some point in our life. I think that was a great company to work for, especially if you were interested in fashion. You could really work your way up in that company if you really wanted to stay there. And so I was like, let me just land here if, if you're going back. Nordstrom is a great place to just land. Like get on your feet, like get organized, like, you know, make money, do what you need to do. I, I can sell. Okay. So went back, was selling shoes for about maybe six, seven months. And one of my really good friends, he was like, why are you working at Nordstrom? He was like, come work at a line, which is where I work now. And it's a boutique company. They didn't have all the stores that we have now. But he was like, we're growing. It's great. You should really get in here. And I was like, okay. So then I just went right on in and applied, and they were like, yeah, come sell. So I just started selling, and I, you know, was a stylist. That's what we are. We're stylists. And building a book of business now. I've been there seven years, and I loved it. And it was a great place to just, like, grow into. And, yeah, I started working my way into the buying section of it all. So we have a store in Carlsbad.

[B]

Carlsbad.

[A]

And then we have two stores in Denver and then one in Salt Lake City.

[B]

Incredible.

[A]

Yeah. So it's fabulous. But now I've gotten into the buying section of it all, and I go to market. I go to New York four times a year, Paris twice a year. And so I get my fix of New York still, you know, but it's on a completely different side of design now. It's, you know, finished product. Who are we selling this to? Why are we buying it?

[B]

So when did you start doing content? Because I remember I first started following you from Shoes of the Past, which is one of my favorite series that you do, where you reflect on, you know, a big seller from a brand that no longer exists, that we all like. It had us in a chokehold.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, Shoes of the Past kind of came. I feel like there were, like, different points of, like, virality with, like, my growth in this space. So Shoes of the Past, I would say before that, I was posting on TikTok only, and I was just doing, like, celebrity outfit ratings. And that was, gosh, like, three, four years ago now. And it was like, right after Covid, I had a TikTok. I deleted it because they were like, everyone's stealing your information. Whatever. I mean, please. Our information's at this point. Oh, bye.

[B]

It's there, guys.

[A]

They've got it.

[B]

It's there.

[A]

They've got it all. And if they want to use it. Okay.

[B]

People say that with ChatGPT.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

They're like, stop telling it everything. I'm like, oh, so I shouldn't put my medical records in there?

[A]

No, I, like, don't give ChatGPT any information. No, but.

[B]

Too anxious for this.

[A]

No, don't do it. But, yeah, I started doing that, and I kind of built, like, a little bit of a small community on TikTok, and it was around maybe, like, 20,000 followers. And, you know, I was rating and I was, like, giving, you know, one on a scale of one to ten what I would think of their outfits, right? And then it kind of took another step when I was flipping through TikTok one day, and Bethenny Frankel had. She was at TJ Maxx, and it was very random. She was buying, like, a flamingo bar cart. And I don't know why I stayed through this whole video. I watched this whole thing. And at one point, she goes over to a pair of Manolo Blahniks. Cause you know, TJ Maxx has that Runway section, so they have designer goods within certain stores. And she picks up a Manolo. It was a Hingisi, flips it over, flips it back, and then it just clipped the next scene. And I was like, wait. And I kept, like, playing it back over and over and over. And I was like, that is a fake Manolo Blahnik. I know. I sold Manolo Blahnik at Nordstrom. I know a real shoe, okay? I know a real shoe. So I made a video in response to it, and I basically explained why it was fake. Like, I was like, okay, it was a leather bottom. It should be a sueded sole. The font, Psycho. The font was wrong. And it was, like, off center in the footbed of the show. And I just went through this whole thing of, like, why? And tagged her in it, posted it, moved on, kind of got speed a little bit. People started tagging her in it, and maybe like 24 hours later, she follows me, and then she messages me. And she was like, can we talk? And I was like, sure. So then she, like, calls me, and she goes, I'm freaking out. Freaking out, you know, very animated. And she was like, I cannot believe that. Like, how do you. Like, how do you know this? This is insane. This is insane. How do you. How do you know this is a fake shoe? And I was like, I just. I know. I. She's like, you've sold these shoes before. Okay, all right. Well, more soon. And I was like, what does more soon mean?

[B]

Okay?

[A]

She's like, we're gonna blow this up. And I did not know what she meant by that. I was like, blow this up. So then she was like, more soon. So I'm just sitting there waiting, and sure enough, she posts this video and starts going in on this fake shoe at TJ Maxx and is like, jack Savoy, everyone go follow him. Figured out that this shoe was fake. Duh, duh, duh, duh. Go watch his video. And she goes, but now I'm made to believe everything that I've bought at TJ Maxx is Fake. And I'm like, oh, my God.

[B]

Uh. Oh. And Pandora's box.

[A]

Oh, whoa. And I will tell you, her followers, like, flooded in within, like, eight hours. I went from, like, 20,000 to 67,000. And I was like, whoa. I was like, hello, everybody. Welcome, welcome.

[B]

Welcome to Denver.

[A]

Hi, my name is Jack. Yeah. And it was a wild thing. And then all these people started freaking out. Then, of course, like, Yahoo picked it up. Like, Footwear News picked it up. I was like, oh, my God. Like, this is crazy. So then people started recognizing me. They were like, are you that the Bethenny Frankel? The shoes. You're the shoes guy? And I was like, yeah, I'm the shoes guy. Like, that's me. I don't know. And, yeah, so that was the first moment of, like, virality. And then same on Instagram. Like, Instagram had, like, 4,000 followers. And she also posted over to Instagram, and I grew to, like, 16,000. And I had been trying for years. I had done blah. I had a blog back in the day, and I was, like, always trying to do it when all the girls were unlike to know it and getting up there. And I. I tried. I couldn't. I couldn't get it off the ground. But, yeah, now this did. And I was like, well, okay, now that I have these people here, like, let's, you know, hone them in, right? But so then I kind of stayed for a little bit, and then shoes of the past happened. So that was the second wave and big wave, which I'm very thankful for. I was sitting on my couch. I get my best ideas on my couch, sitting on my couch. And I'm just like, God, does Anyone remember that YSL cage boot from, I think it was 2010 that was, like, resembling the Eiffel Tower? And I was like, God, what a shoe. Like, I remember when that was, like, at Neiman's, like, sitting on the shelf. Like, I was like, like a young kid then. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna talk about that. So I just kind of, like, talked about it and put it out and, like, it's like history. Briefly posted it. And then I was like, okay, what else? Like, there's other shoes, too. And I was like, what about the Isabel Marant Beckett wedge?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then I was like, oh. And then what about, you know, this shoe? And then I was like, what about the Stuart Weitzman over the Knee? The Lowland, the Highland, the Midland? Like, I was selling those at that time, too. And then I was like, what about The Jeffrey Campbell Lita Booty.

[B]

To find an entire generation. That was my high school shoe.

[A]

It was great. Those videos struck a chord.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

With like, that millennial audience.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And everyone went nuts.

[B]

I think what I really admire about what you do is you have such extensive knowledge in fashion. And I think to me, that is what makes for great content today. Like, anybody could create anything, you could talk about anything. But the reason that Manolo video hit is because you had extensive knowledge in

[A]

that one thing, right?

[B]

Same thing with shoes of the past. Like, you have extensive knowledge in these things. I'm curious for you, like, what has been your best way to learn? Like, what are some things that have helped you with, like, your fashion history over the years?

[A]

I'm always researching, you know, I'm always looking. And I've always been kind of like a fashion nerd, like a little fashion geek. Like, when I took fashion history in college, like, I was always really. There was always a part of me that loved that piece. And so, you know, I was constantly looking things up, reading things. I've watched all the shows. I've, you know, seen all the things. But I think being in, like, a design side, but also, like, having that knowledge, like putting those two things together has been really beneficial because, like, you understand how it can be made. You understand, you know, the process behind creating it. But then also the history, I think is so important too. I'm like an educator. I like education and I like knowing what's going on. So if I can help educate, I think it's great. So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna mix these two things together 100%.

[B]

And I think that's the most important thing, that educational side of it. It begs the question for me, do you really think that you have to live in New York or even LA to be in fashion these days?

[A]

These days? I don't think so. Especially with where we are in terms of social media and, like, how, like, you can literally do anything for anywhere. Like, I think post Covid, post pandemic. Like, I hate even talking about this. Like, it's like such a weird thing to relate back to. But, like, social media, like, zooms. Like, it was just a whole new way of working and creating. So I think it made life a little bit more accessible in a way that where it wasn't before. I think you really had to work your way into those behind the curtain things, you know, work your way up in those worlds and get connected in those worlds. So now that it's so easily accessible, I think you can kind of do it from anywhere.

[B]

Something I get asked frequently is from adults who love fashion, who will message me on Instagram and will say, I love the industry so much, but I'm working in something, I have a full time job. How do I get in there? How do I even start, start? And I think you are the perfect person to answer that question. You have a full time job, you're working as a stylist, you're working in the store. You're also building this budding, incredible content world and career. I want to hear first how you have been able to balance those two, because that's basically two full time jobs. Don't forget the content creators. That's a full time job. So tell me a little bit about that.

[A]

It's a really interesting space and I still feel like I'm evolving it too, but it's tough. Yeah, you know, I have two full time jobs. You know, I work 10 to six, five days a week and it's a full week. And then when I go home, I'm creating. Like, it just doesn't stop. Like, if you really want to do it, you know, there's the hustle behind it, all right? And I really believe in this community that I've built, I can't just let it go. So when I'm off of work, I'm back to it, you know, creating content. And there is a reality of it. There is a little bit of burnout too. You know, you feel a little bit of this, like, pressure when you see other people posting things. You know, going on Instagram, you're like, oh, God, okay, I gotta post, you know, But I'm still trying to find like a healthy balance of like, okay, just because everybody else is doing it doesn't mean that you have to do it also, you know, it's okay. Like Instagram and TikTok will still be there. They're not going anywhere, you know, and the news cycle and the new things, there's always something new, you know, and there's always something to talk about. So I think that's a thing that I am personally working with myself right now of, like, don't get too stressed, you know, it's there. But I get it though too. Like, you have a fan base that is relying on you for content and, you know, new things and constantly, you know, talking about new things, I guess. But so, yeah, it's a balancing act. It's a tough act. But, you know, you can do it. I think people can do it. It just takes Time.

[B]

Some of my favorite creators are people who are creators by night. And I think that's because I appreciate their POV a lot more because it's so, so deeply informed by what they're doing by day. And while there are so many full time creators who I love following, I think that that offers you a really different perspective than anybody else who could just be full time culturally commentating. Like you are in a store, you're seeing how things move, you're buying, you're at markets. There's. Even though you definitely live that Hannah

[A]

Montana life, best of both worlds, maybe.

[B]

Is that really what it feels like?

[A]

It feels like Hannah Montana. I feel like I take my wig off and then I put on a new wig and then like, yeah, it's like one day I'm in the store and then the next day I'm flying to LA to go to a premiere. You know, it's like it. It's a crazy life. It's a crazy life.

[B]

So how do you find the balance?

[A]

I mean, you know, it's just, I don't know, just letting it be really, for me. Like, I just. You do have to say no to some things, which is hard. Thankfully, my job has allowed me to kind of like, if I need to take the time, I can. But it is, it's tough, you know, it's. It's constantly tweaking, constantly working through it,

[B]

taking it day by day, taking it day by day. It's true. You can't plan for. You can't plan for those things.

[A]

No. And it's, it's just, I feel like everyone's situation is going to be different too.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

And I feel like I kind of just have this weird, unique situation where, you know, yes, I am working full time, but I work hard. You know, I'm selling a ton, you know, But I have unlimited PTO that I've earned now because I've done that. So it is helpful to have the unlimited PTO while I'm also going to all the fabulous, you know, fashion things and doing all the fun things like that.

[B]

But yeah, I feel like I'm a really big believer in not quitting your day job for a long time. Like, especially if you're in this space. I just, I hold in such high regard the first jobs that I had out of college that taught me so much about running a business. I'm so glad that I didn't go freelance right out of school because I would have had no idea what I'm doing.

[A]

I mean, yeah, it's It's a whole other side. Like even now, kind of like tiptoeing into it, you're like, okay, like, I gotta do this and this and that.

[B]

You know, you gotta run it like a business.

[A]

You gotta run it like a business. And like taxes and all that, you know, you're like, whoa, like this is a whole new sphere for me.

[B]

So you've built this all while being in Denver, working at a line. For people listening who are inspired by your career trajectory, where would you tell them to start?

[A]

I mean, intern, you know, having the structure, at least for me was super helpful. You know, like understanding how things work, work, I think is very important. So working underneath somebody, working for a designer, let's say you want to go into, to design, you know, like working under those designers, seeing how things operate, I think is so beneficial. And having those full time jobs too is so beneficial. Just seeing how things operate and materialize. But then when it comes to content creating, you know, put it out there. Like, you know, whatever you're thinking about, I'm sure people are also thinking about too. So that was the thing with like the shoes. I was like, somebody's got also be thinking about this, right? Like, yeah, clearly. And then it like struck a chord. I also think I caught a wave of like nostalgia. I feel like there's a lot of nostalgia happening in the world right now. So I kind of just like it just merged right in. But I think that's important though too. Like, if you are feeling that way, I bet somebody else is also feeling that way.

[B]

Yeah, I think you have to create content around things. You, what you're feeling, what is naturally happening in your life.

[A]

Like I was craving that nostalgia, right. So I put it out there. Really. Everybody else is craving the nostalgia too.

[B]

I think that's the best kind of content today is the one that like the pieces that like come kind of off the cuff. Is anybody else thinking about this? Like, to me that's where you can really build community. Do you think you need to have a niche on social media today?

[A]

I do. I think you kind of have to have a little bit of a, a realm that you want to be in. Right. Like I am a fashion space. I think you should have a little bit of a niche. I think it's important too, because otherwise, like, I feel like you don't really know where your lane is. Right. Not that you need to have a lane necessarily, but I think it's helpful to kind of have an idea and a vision and kind of a pathway of where, where You. But I mean, it might evolve for sure, but I think having an area of concentration is important.

[B]

I totally agree heavy on the it can evolve part.

[A]

Yeah, it's like a resume almost.

[B]

It. It is a resume. I think Instagram today is quite literally a digital business card. Like, it is how you can connect with other people and share. I think it's like you just have to start.

[A]

You just have to start. And I don't think there's never gonna be a right time.

[B]

Never gonna be a right time. And also I think perfection is like, what's that saying? Done is better than perfect?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I'm such a big believer in that. I think it's really important for people who want to be in fashion to just be willing and open to putting your POV out there. And it's not going to be perfect. How did you start meeting people in the industry? I think that's another big thing. You can start putting the content out there and gaining the community. But, you know, you were saying you fly to red carpets and you're. I've seen you on the red carpet. Love story and all those things. So how did you start building those contacts?

[A]

I mean, thankfully they kind of came in my direction from posting, but a lot of it was just popping into my emails. You know, like all of a sudden I would get like a random little thing and again, going back to just like putting whatever you want out there. Great example of this. The girls of All's Fair, all those fabulous ladies on that Ryan show, One

[B]

of the most well dressed press tours I've ever seen.

[A]

Well, that was the thing.

[B]

It got me to watch the show and I feel like I'm a big TV gal, so if it's. If you, if you hook me, I'll.

[A]

Oh. I mean, I was obsessed with that press tour.

[B]

It was really beautifully done.

[A]

All of them together. I was like, this is amazing. So again, started talking about it. I was like fascinated by it. I was freaking out. And I was posting those videos and Kim Kardashian showed them to Ryan Murphy. No way. And then Ryan was like, we need to have him at this dinner. So they were doing their whole press tour. I mean, those premieres are bananas. Like, it's big, big, big photos, interviews, whole thing. Boom, back on a plane, Next place, next place. So I think New York, they wanted to keep it a little bit more like, chill, calm down, like relaxed. And it was a very intimate dinner that they. I had been invited to. So I flew out to New York. And that's the thing. Like you got to just do it. You just gotta fly out there. I think I flew myself out.

[B]

Good for you.

[A]

Flew myself out.

[B]

Sometimes you got.

[A]

You have to tell.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And I had no idea, walking into it, what it was going to be. And it was a beautiful dinner at the Whitby Hotel. So then I'm just standing by the bar, and then all of a sudden, like, all these people just start coming in. It's like, Jenna Lyons. It's like Gayle King. And, you know, I'm like, oh, my God. Like, Amy Schumer walks over to me, and she's like, I love your feather bolero that you bought. And I was like, you saw that? That's crazy. Like, you know, and then. So it's kind of that mingling. Like, you just start meeting all these people and. Yeah, it's going to the events, it's going to the dinners, it's going to the things and, you know, going to the events and meeting all the people.

[B]

Well, there were so many things when I was first starting out that I put on a credit card to make sure that I could be there.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I knew that if you got me in the door, you got me in the room, I would meet people and things would come from it. And it did every time. And I think that's the most important thing is, like, if you have an opportunity right in front of you, it might not always be the perfect one.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, I remember I was fresh out of college, and I was writing for Forbes at the time, and Forbes was like, hey, Victoria's Secret is doing their show in Paris, and we don't have anybody, like, local that's going to cover it. Do you think that, like, if you're going. They had called me and been like. They were like, are you going to. Because at the time, I had, like, kind of. That was, like, something that maybe they thought I would have gone to. And I told them yes, even though I didn't have an. I didn't have anything. Not a flight, not a hotel room, nothing. I was like, yeah, I actually am,

[A]

but you have to jump at that opportunity.

[B]

Absolutely. Because I knew in my mind, I was like, I'm about to book the cheapest flight. I'm about to book the weirdest Airbnb, and I'm gonna go cover the Victoria's Secret show for Forbes. And I was 22 at the time. I totally lied to them, and I got the job. And that was a huge moment for my career at the time. Huge, huge. I was able to Be there and cover it. And sometimes I think you just have to say yes at like the imperfect opportunities and make them perfect because you never know what's going to come out of it.

[A]

You never know.

[B]

You really never know. I feel like I'd be remiss if we didn't get into some of your like, high level opinions on just kind of what's going on in fashion right now. Again. I always love popping over to your Instagram and socials to see all of that. So what brands for you are really creating like that desire right now? Like, what do you think is really, really working? Because there's a lot that's not.

[A]

I mean, I agree high level Chanel has been huge. I mean, we've seen that. Like, it's kind of crazy, you know, the, the need and the want that people are craving, I think from these brands and what Matthew has brought is amazing. And I think right now people are craving whimsical things. Oh yeah, they're craving. Same at Dior. They're craving. I mean, Jonathan's pieces are beyond lily pad shoes. I mean, like, hello, cute. I mean, like, we all need that. We want that. Like, that's what fashion should be, right? It should be this inspiring, like craveability, like somewhat aspirational thing. But I think they're, you know, Dior, Chanel. I think they're doing great things. I think they're doing wonderful, wonderful things. I feel like K is doing wonderful things. Big brand that I am obsessed with.

[B]

If you guys have not listened to our episode with Daniela K. Please go back and listen to it. It is from September of 2025 and it was one of my favorites ever done. Truly. She. She one is a great storyteller, but someone who just like my way or the highway in the best way.

[A]

I mean, I don't know her, but

[B]

I would love to know her. She's, I mean, absolutely fantastic.

[A]

I've been wearing all my.

[B]

You. It's. It's sticker shock. There's definitely, it's definitely an expensive brand.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Things do go on sale on her website. I saw a sale recently and I think if you can get it secondhand on the realreal, even better. It is expertly crafted. We actually had Elise Walker on the podcast in April of 2025 and she said that the kalmier pieces in her store are flat and that the blazer is one of the best fitting ones she's ever worn. Like, it is, it is so well done.

[A]

Truly a great brand. I mean, I have a top I have a few tops from them that I really want her to do. Men's, I'm like. I feel like. I mean, that is a whole different ball game, but I would love for her to, like, dip her toe into it a little bit, because I love what she's creating for women. I mean, I'll wear it all, you know, but there was this top, but you can wear it backwards, forward. You know, tie it, don't tie it. Like, same with my other top. I mean, great, great pieces. And it's just a really intriguing brand. I feel like it's. I mean, not to compare brand to brand, but I don't like doing that. But, I mean, it's kind of like Kate, but not as expensive, you know, in a way, to me.

[B]

And as edgy.

[A]

As edgy, Right. Like, it's a little bit more commercialized. Like, it's a little bit more. Like, you can understand it a little bit more. It's. It's, you know, if you want that look, you know, but maybe not at. I mean, still an expensive brand, but, you know, more contemporary. I think that's a great way to go.

[B]

I have spent the month complaining on the podcast about my qualms with retail. Right now, I don't really feel like a lot is working. Like, what for you is working?

[A]

I think what's working is, again, going back to, like, creativity, like, newness. I think that is what's really working and resonating with the customer. I feel like that's what's really honing in. And from a selling perspective, too. Like, you can see what's sitting on the floor and what is gone in, like, two seconds. It's fascinating.

[B]

Do you have an example of something that's, like, been gone in two seconds?

[A]

Okay. For instance, Joseph created this beautiful raffia kind of brown dress, Right? Like, you could dress it up, you could make it maybe a little formal, or you could wear it really pared down. Resort chic. Gone.

[B]

One day, something that's just, like, easy

[A]

to style across the street style, but it's still visually interesting.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It had great texture. It had great silhouette, had great shape, great color. Was this beautiful, like, chocolate brown.

[B]

Stunning.

[A]

Gone. So I think that's what's moving people, right? It's just something fun and cool and interesting.

[B]

Something that feels, like, almost universal, but

[A]

universal, but has a little bit of an edge, Right.

[B]

That, like, everybody could look at it and style it differently.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. Who's a red carpet favorite for you right now?

[A]

Who do I love? Oh, my God. There's So many good ones right now. Getting off of awards season. Teyana Taylor had an amazing year. Incredible, amazing season. She was amazing, amazing, amazing. You know who I'm loving? Somber.

[B]

He's so tall.

[A]

I love him. All the Valentino.

[B]

Hard to miss him.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I love everything. All the Valentino is just.

[B]

I love a tall person who wears clothes well.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You know who I love? You know Carla Welch styles Renate Reinzva.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

Oh, yeah. She always looks so chic. Yeah, just like, clean. Plus, the tall girls.

[B]

I know. I'm driving.

[A]

Come on. They can do all the. All the silhouettes.

[B]

Yeah. I want to talk about this thing that I find so I'm so gravitated towards right now on social media. And you really fall into that category, and that is commentators. I feel like commentators this year have really taken up such a wonderful space in the fashion landscape. I love following people like you. I love following people like Brenda. Hashtag dadabout. Make it fashion Old loser in Brooklyn. That category of creator to me right now is so important because I think it's fun, but it's also educational and it's giving great POVs into what's going on in the industry right now. And one, I'd like to hear how you feel about that. Do you feel. Do you like that label? Do you like that category?

[A]

Call me a commentator. I'm gonna commentate. I. I'm like, I love it. I love that space, and I love comment, and I love talking about what's going on. Right? And now getting to even, like, go on red carpets and interview people, you know, which is great. It. The interview stuff is kind of funny too. Cause, like, you just kind of get thrown into it and you're like, okay, like, do I make this all about fashion? Or like, I should probably talk about, like, them a little bit too? So doing a little bit of both. But I always. I always bring it back to fashion. I'm like, who are we wearing? I'm like, we gotta talk about the outfit. I'm like, I need to see the whole look, you know, Absolute think now that we've kind of. I feel like we have really shifted away from, like, television, right? Like, this is the television that we're holding in our hands.

[B]

Sometimes I get in bed and I scroll, tick tock and don't turn on the tv, right?

[A]

You know, very scary. We had all those really big channels, you know, Like, I mean, even going way, way back. What was it like, fashion TV and like, all that stuff, like, way back in the day. And then, you know, you had E and you have all that. So now I think having this in your pocket and in your hand, you know, it's right there, you know, And I think that's why it's so big, too, is. And it's, again, really accessible. You just start talking. You can start posting, and it's there.

[B]

And I think it's really challenging. Traditional media. I have to bring up something that happened to you earlier this year. Coachella weekend one.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

You technically broke the news that Sabrina Carpenter was wearing Dior just based off your own education.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Vogue obviously had the exclusive and the story and the photos, but you were the first person really, on social media to call it out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was fascinating. I was sitting at home, I saw you post it, and within the hour, I had seen numerous other outlets post exactly that, but not crediting you at all. And this was before the Vogue story had broken. So, you know, she was wearing, like, a lace kind of Chantilly bodysuit. Not a lot of people would have picked it up. And I remember seeing that and having a lot of conversations with friends in the fashion community, being like, jack. Jack was the one that shared that. And all of these publications now are sharing it with zero credit or citation to what you shared. How did you feel about that?

[A]

Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I mean, I'm standing there in the audience, like, watching. I could not stop looking at her. I was like. I was obviously. I mean, it was a great performance. Performance, yeah, it was wonderful. And I kept looking at her, and I was like, God. I was like, what is she wearing? I was like, that is Dior. Like, it has to be Dior. Like, I'm like, I can. It's that specific lace. He uses that lace. I know, I know. So then when the next day, before we went to all the concerts, I posted it quickly, and I think I was even, like, surfing the Internet to, like, and I was, like, grabbing my own photos. But then I was, like, surfing, like, on Twitter, and I was like, does anyone, like, have pictures of this? Like, is this, like, it was bare?

[B]

Yes. And I remember actually when you posted it, I went to look in other places, and it was nowhere. Yeah, you were literally the first two

[A]

to just be like, it's Dior.

[B]

Absolutely. Which is, by the way, what I loved the most about it.

[A]

I was like, too. I was like, it has to be Dior. Like, you know, I'm not going to. I'm standing on it. I could be wrong, but I am for sure that this is Dior. And here's why. Again, let's bring in the history. Let's look at the shows. Let's look at the silhouettes. Right. Like, you can see that tie in with that brand. Because they're obviously going to keep a brand consistent, but in a vision. Right. Of where they're going with our brand. But I was like, it has to be Dior and then posted it. Whatever. I think I went and got coffee with my friend before we were going into the festival, and somebody, I think, tagged me. And I think it was maybe like, CR Fashion book had posted kind of the same thing, and they were like, this is what Jack said. And again, Vogue had the exclusive, so it wasn't, like, known yet that it was Dior. But yeah, it was a weird thing too. And I. I'm fine with it. I'm like, okay, post whatever you want to post. But, like, I'm not a person that, like, needs to be. Like, I said that first, you know?

[B]

But I do think it's interesting that someone like you has the platform to be able to compete with. Oh, that's modern media.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

I am going to all of your guys feeds during fashion month quicker than I am going to publications that I follow.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's something that we're going to see become even stronger.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think people want to follow people, not publications, of course.

[A]

And I mean, it's us that controls it. Right. So I feel like we can get it out really fast. Whereas, like, media, I think, obviously probably has to be edited and it has to, like, go through a whole thing. I mean, I don't know that whole world. You probably know better, but I mean, I feel like there's a little bit more of a barrier before it gets posted. Whereas we're like, Chanel, like, we're here.

[B]

These are the shoes.

[A]

These are the shoes. Look at them.

[B]

I think the landscape is changing a lot. I really appreciate people like you, and I'm excited to see where it goes. I'm excited to see more personality behind breaking news and thoughts and opinions and Coachella outfits, because I think that that's how we want to consume media today.

[A]

Yeah, it's fascinating.

[B]

I know. Well, thank you for coming on today. Thank you for coming to LA for us.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

What a fun little morning you're having.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

It was so amazing to hear about your journey, about your Hannah Montana life. I love following your content and. And I'm excited to see all that you do.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Safe flight home.

[A]

Thanks.