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Liv Perez
Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of let's Get Dressed. It's your host Liv Perez. What happens when your body, life or routine changes and suddenly nothing in your closet feels like you anymore? I feel like we've all been there. It's a tough challenge to overcome. So today I got to sit down with stylist, author and new mom Alison Borenstein to talk about finding your style again through life's biggest, biggest shifts. Maybe pregnancy, postpartum, new job, a move, breakup or just a new era. We talk about what it means to make peace again with your closet and let go of clothes that quote unquote ask too much of you and learn how to dress for the person you are versus the person that your clothes could be holding you to be. She shares her signature three word method which I know has helped thousands of people find their personal style, tips for rebuilding confidence when your body changes and why the goal isn't always a perfect wardrobe, but maybe a kinder relationship with the one that you already have. I highly recommend you guys follow alison on Instagram, TikTok and Substack. She is one of my favorite follows, especially her substack. I feel like I'm always learning something new and being challenged every day in my personal style over there. So I'm really excited to have her on the POD today and I hope you guys love this episode. If you are going through a big shift right now, I know this episode is for you. Let's go get dressed with Alison Bornstein. Welcome to the pod.
Alison Borenstein
Thanks for having me.
Liv Perez
I Feel like this has been a really long time coming.
Alison Borenstein
I know, right? Yes. I'm so excited to be here. I followed you forever.
Liv Perez
Followed you forever.
Alison Borenstein
Love it.
Liv Perez
I love this.
Alison Borenstein
I remember actually when you followed me and I was like, no, because, you know, it's like when somebody you're already following follows you back. Yes. Yes, I did.
Liv Perez
No, I'm. I'm a big fan of what you do, and I think I have learned so much from you. You've informed so much of the way that I get dressed, and I really like the way that you've just made it fun. I always say that, like, I'm like, Alison's gamified it.
Alison Borenstein
Thank you. I try. I feel like sometimes I'm, like, not self conscious, but sometimes I'm like, am I making it, like, too. I don't know, like, not too serious, but, like, am I making too many rules? Am I, like, trying to, like, put it into a box? But I do feel like it's such a, you know, fashion and style and anything artistic, it's like, it's really. It's subjective. So it is so hard to kind of, like, understand it and talk about it. So I'm glad that you think that I do a good job.
Liv Perez
You just had a baby. How are you feeling?
Alison Borenstein
I did. I'm feeling good.
Liv Perez
Congratulations.
Alison Borenstein
Thank you. I'm feeling good. He's doing really well. Postpartum has been. It's really kicked my ass, which I'm sure a lot of people can relate to. I had a hard time in pregnancy, too, but dressing was a little bit easier, I think when you have the bump going and when you kind of, like, know what to expect. Not that I've been pregnant before, but it's like, you know, you see friends do it and, like, people talk about it more. But postpartum was really a struggle and still is for me right now.
Liv Perez
I love what you're wearing today.
Alison Borenstein
Thank you.
Liv Perez
What are you wearing?
Alison Borenstein
These jeans are Phoebe Filo, which I was saying these are the only jeans that fit me right now. They're meant to be kind of, like, low slung, but I have them pulled up high, which has kind of been my trick for the past few weeks. Now that I'm, like, slowly fitting into my jeans, I'm like, you know what? They're just going to have to be a little bit higher. I'm not going to tuck in my shirt. I'm just going to let it flow. And it's been nice, I think, not to go off on a tangent, but I think the Main thing that I learned is that you can't really expect things to fit the same when your body changes. So it's not necessarily even about, like, getting new things. I think it's about just like restyling them, figuring out proportions again, like I said before, like, these jeans are meant to be low, and I would usually like, have something kind of boxy or tuck it in. And it's like, that's just. That's not what's gonna happen right now. So it's just working with different proportions.
Liv Perez
I'm so excited to hear about all of it. I get asked so frequently on my Instagram questions about this. Hey, I'm in a different season of life. I just had a baby, I'm going through a breakup. And when it comes to maternity specifically, I obviously don't love giving advice because I haven't gone through it myself. So I was obviously so excited for you when you said that you were pregnant for so many reasons, but also because I was like, oh, she'd be the perfect guest to be able to speak to this because it blends just all of your incredible expertise with what you're actually going through. So I'm excited to talk about.
Alison Borenstein
But I think you could also give advice for pregnancy, even not.
Liv Perez
Okay, well, look, in my defense, I have seven sisters, five or four of which have gone through having a baby. And as a lot of my listeners know, they all live around me. That was my brother in law I was saying hello to across the street. So I've kind of seen them go through a lot of changes. And I've asked because I'm obviously curious, like, oh, are you still wearing your same jeans? Like, I'm asking kind of all of those questions. But no, I want to go straight to the source.
Alison Borenstein
Okay, great. Happy to be here. Happy to help.
Liv Perez
So you have been a stylist for 15 years?
Alison Borenstein
Yeah. Really long time.
Liv Perez
Really long time.
Alison Borenstein
I started my career, I was an assistant for a while in New York, and I did a lot of editorial and celebrity stuff, which was really fun. Yeah, just like, it was a little bit more of that, like fashion with a F kind of fashion, which I.
Liv Perez
Loved at the time.
Alison Borenstein
And I went to fit. So, like, when I was at fit, I would intern. And then I ended up being an assistant for a really long time. But when I ended up doing my own work, I realized that I actually really liked working with regular people, non celebrities. Even doing E commerce was really interesting because I found it really fascinating when the merchandisers would talk about how to style things for the client, for whoever's buying the clothes. And I always really liked that point of view. I like, you know, costumey costuming for movies. Like, I like the idea of kind of, like, thinking about, like, how somebody would wear this, why somebody would wear this, where somebody would wear this, and kind of going from there.
Liv Perez
I love seeing you talk about working with clients on a daily basis. I feel like that's, like, your thing. I love that for you. Like, it just. I feel like you can really change someone's life in that hour. And I'm sure you've come across a lot of experiences where someone has just totally lost their style.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
And I wonder for you, like, what does that mean? And what does that look like when you see someone who's just kind of out of their routine or, you know, looking to kind of reinvent themselves a little bit?
Alison Borenstein
It's a really good question. I find whether they know it or not, most of my clients are going through some sort of transition when they come to see me. So I see clients virtually or in person, but mostly virtually. And it's like, you know, whether it's something as big as being pregnant or a divorce or a breakup or turning 50 or menopause or something really small, just like, the seasons are changing, my body's changing. I don't know, my kids are leaving the house. I'm retiring. That's actually not small. That's big. But, like, there's always some sort of transition. And I feel like often we'll think that clothes aren't that important in that kind of situation, but clothes are, like, so integral to, like, any kind of transition or change. I think it can help, like, propel change forward, but it can also. It can really help you, like, sit back and figure out, like, well, who is it that I want to be? Like, what is this wardrobe saying about me? What's working? What's not? And, like, yeah, how can I kind of revive it?
Liv Perez
Clothes can, like, walk you through different eras of your life. You can become an entirely different person. I cleaned out my closet in August and did, like, a massive clean out. Like, I got rid of probably half of it.
Alison Borenstein
How'd it feel?
Liv Perez
Oh, my God.
Alison Borenstein
So good, right? So good.
Liv Perez
And I think a lot of people were like, oh, my God. Do you feel scared? Do you feel anxious? Like you got rid of all these things? And for starters, it was really nice living in, like, just what I had for a little while. But then I, like, strategically bought pieces that I felt like were missing. And since then to now, I Feel like a different person. I feel like my confidence is different. I know what to put on. I like everything I'm putting on, and I'm not, like, looking back at outfits, and I'm like, why did I wear that? Like, everything I've worn since, I'm like, yeah, that feels right. That feels like me.
Alison Borenstein
That's great, because I feel like, you know, you obviously know what you're doing, and it's like, being super discerning about, like, is this, like, we're saying who I want to be? Is this what I want to portray? Is this, like. I don't know. I think I wrote this in my substack about postpartum, but it's like, are these clothes asking of me too much? You know, like, are these clothes asking me to be, like, a different person? And sometimes they are. Like, I have things in my wardrobe now that I've been a mom for four months. I'm like, I. Like, these are not me. These clothes are asking too much of me. They're asking me to be somebody that I'm not anymore. And, like, it's okay to let them go.
Liv Perez
I was really moved by that substack post that you. It was a note that you posted.
Alison Borenstein
Okay, great.
Liv Perez
You had, like, gone on a walk.
Alison Borenstein
Yes, yes.
Liv Perez
And had that realization. And by the way, guys, Alison has the best substack.
Alison Borenstein
Oh, my God.
Liv Perez
Thank you. I love your sub stack. I love what you do on there.
Alison Borenstein
I love sub stack.
Liv Perez
I do, too. I think it's. If you know how to do it and you've, like, found your niche in there. I think there's a huge opportunity, an amazing community. Totally very different than Instagram. Like, people are really dialed there, and it feels more like I'm conversing with peers versus, like, that, like, follower community exchange on Instagram. Yeah, I really like it.
Alison Borenstein
That's a great point.
Liv Perez
Yeah. It feels like I'm talking with friends.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
Anytime people message in the chat or comment on things, I'm like, yeah, the chats are crazy. Like, yeah, I'm still figuring out my chat, but some of the chats I'm in are, yeah, insane.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah. People, like, really helpful. Like, really wanting to help. Like, like, even just, like, yeah, peer to peer.
Liv Perez
Yeah, it's great. But so I love that note that you posted because I hadn't really thought about that as a concept before that what you're asking of clothes versus what clothes could be asking of you. And I'm sure that that was huge for you in your journey. How did that take Shape?
Alison Borenstein
I. Yeah, a lot of it, unfortunately, because being postpartum had to do with size. So, like, if this, you know, if these jeans are asking me to be skinnier, like, I. I can't right now. Right. But even bigger, it's like, I think I have some things that are almost asking me to be a different person or have a different life than I have. So, like, a really simple example. Like, I have some, like, really high heels, and it's like, I'm not going to wear those all the time. Like, I don't even know if I want to be that person that's wearing them. And so those can go, you know, And I think just being, again, like, style and your wardrobe and editing your wardrobe, it really is just about being clear with who you are, you know, and, like, who you want to be as a person. So I think it all just plays into that.
Liv Perez
In your 15 years of styling, and especially recently with how many people you're styling on a daily basis, I'm really interested in this, like, transformative process. Is there an experience that has been most memorable for you? And, like, what did that look like in that person's day to day?
Alison Borenstein
Such a good question. I have, like, a slightly older client base, I would say, and I feel like a lot of the women talk about menopause and how their bodies are changing that way and, you know, like. Like needing to have layers because they're warm. It's just like, all these interesting new functional considerations. Like, obviously, like, body considerations, but it's like the function that I think becomes different when you're. When your life changes in that way. One of the first questions or, like, the way that I get to know my clients is I really just ask, like, what does a typical day look like for you? Because, you know, as much as, like, we'll have our pinterest of, like, how we want to look, it's like, well, like, let's be real. Like, what are we doing? We're waking up. We're working out. We're dropping the kids off at school. We're working from home. You know, like, what does that look like? Because that's really important in, like, what you're wearing every single day and, like, how you're getting dressed and how you're moving through the world. So that's one of the things that I always ask and, yeah, can be, like, really illuminating and I think kind of helpful in terms of, like, framing personal style.
Liv Perez
I want to zoom out on your own journey of this transformative time in your life. How did your relationship change with your clothes when you first found out you were pregnant?
Alison Borenstein
Oh, my God. I was so, obviously so excited. You know, I think with me, and I think this is probably common with any transition, I felt an anxiety and a desire to all of a sudden, like, buy a bunch of new stuff and like, get rid of a bunch of other stuff. Because I'm like, okay, this is who I am now. But what I did and what I would tell somebody else to do if they were in my shoes is like, just take a pause. Because I think often we will shop or edit or kind of, you know, reshape our wardrobe for the person that we think we're going to be as opposed to like kind of understanding the reality of it. So I really took a beat and I was like, just wait till you actually start growing and then figure out what you need from there. And that was. It was actually really hard. And I've talked about this before, I call it like the back to school shopping method because do you know what I mean? When you shop before, in the summertime before you're going into a new grade, I always remember I'd be like, well, this is who I'm gonna be in fifth grade and buy all this stuff. And it's like, well, that's not really the reality. This is not actually who I am. And that's not really. It's this imagined person. Of course.
Liv Perez
Yeah, I feel the same way. And this is a terrible habit of mine. When I move into a new house, I like wanna furnish it right away.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
And it's like living it a little bit.
Alison Borenstein
Yes, it's exactly that.
Liv Perez
See how you use the space.
Alison Borenstein
Yes.
Liv Perez
See what you actually need on a daily basis. Because it's maybe not what is the idealized version of it in your mind. It might just be a bit more user friendly at the end of the day.
Alison Borenstein
That's an amazing, amazing anal. Yes, that's exactly true. And I have the same thing with like, I just like, I want it quickly, I want it now, I just wanna feel settled. But it's like you actually have to, like, live it a little bit to be like, what is it that I want? So for me, once I started, you know, getting a little bit bigger, my body changed pretty quick. I realized I had a lot of like already I had a lot of like drawstring pants and pull on pants and that was kind of what I was wearing the whole time and. Yeah.
Liv Perez
Was that the first thing that you felt shifted?
Alison Borenstein
The first thing was that things just felt Uncomfortable. Like you were saying, like, fabrics were being, like, felt uncomfortable even if things still fit. I was like, I felt like I was being put, pushed or like. So I was like, you know what? I, like, don't want to wear jeans, even if they're, like, soft or comfortable. And, yeah, I don't want anything pulling. My boobs got really big, so I, like, bought new bras right away. That was actually pretty useful. But yeah, it was just like, like silky pants and like, you know, cashmere sweaters and stuff. That felt really soft and good and cozy. That was kind of. That was sort of my go to.
Liv Perez
I'm curious as a fashion person, because I. I feel like I hear this debate often.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
Did you buy maternity clothes specifically or were you utilizing what you already had?
Alison Borenstein
Okay. I have a lot of clients who will say, like, I don't want to buy maternity stuff. Like, I don't want anything maternity. And it's like, okay, like, don't be a hero, first of all. Like, why not? Like, it's made for you. It's gonna feel comfortable. Like, so I'm not, like, anti maternity clothes at all, I really think. I don't know. I think I had a lot of, like, stretchy waist pants that I would just wear under the bump, like, things. Things weirdly still fit, I think, because I like things oversized and I could just kind of, like, slouch it down under my stomach a bit. But yeah, if I try to think, if I had anything maturity. I don't think I did. But not because, like, I. I don't want to.
Liv Perez
I see Olivia Culpo posting this brand hatch a lot. Yeah. She just had, like, a really cute nightgown on.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
That you could, like, probably wear out in the summer. It was like a little doily, like, cute piece. And but over her breast, there was, like, a little button snap that she could undo for breastfeeding. And I thought it was so smart because she could have not told me that that little button was there. And I was like, oh, that looks like something she could have gotten from Chloe.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
You know, like, it's working double duty.
Alison Borenstein
Exactly. And, like, having something that's useful, like, I think that maybe there's this idea. It's like, oh, it's not chic to wear a maternity. It's like, I don't. There's really cute things. And, like, if that's what fits and feels good, like, do not deprive yourself from that. I also think, like, now, you know, jeans are a little bit lower slung and that Makes easier because I remember working for clients or with clients, like, maybe like seven years ago, when it was more skinny jean, high waisted time. And I remember that was really hard because the. You can't. Too uncomfortable. No. And like, where does it look good?
Liv Perez
No. Where does the bump sit? Oh, no.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
I want nothing.
Alison Borenstein
So it was like that there. Yeah, so there was that. I will say this as somebody who tries not to go crazy with shopping and who tries to be, like, at least thoughtful and smart. When I was pregnant, especially in the beginning, I just felt very, like, unattractive and not really like myself. So if I found something, even if it was expensive, that, like, looked good, I bought it for it. Yeah, Like, I bought, like, a really stupid but, like, kind of cute, like, cropped Chloe jacket. Like, why? Just because, like, it fit and it looked good and for like, a second it made me feel nice. I don't necessarily, like, don't. What do they say? Like, do as I say, not as I do. Right. But yeah, there. There is a. There's a while there where it's like I was, you know, getting my hair highlighted and my nails done all the time. I was like, I just need something to, like, make me feel beautiful.
Liv Perez
Have you worn it a lot? Okay, Put on the reel. Whatever. You can reel it. It's totally.
Alison Borenstein
It was a weird moment, but, like, I still like it. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make it work.
Liv Perez
You mentioned maternity leggings that you bought. Were there other pieces in your wardrobe that were, like, your hero pieces you were leaning towards every single day?
Alison Borenstein
Again, not a very sexy answer. The bras, like, I already have pretty big boobs, and then they got, like, massive and, like, heavy and, like, kind of yucky. So just, like, really supportive. Like, I was. I was used to wearing bras that, like, weren't that supportive, but I had to get, like, some supportive bras that were still really soft. Like, a lot of skims. Also, again, maybe not relatable, but I had a pair of gala pants. Like the rogue gala pants that I wore. Everyone loves those. Yeah.
Liv Perez
That's the second mention of those in a week on this podcast.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
Are they that good?
Alison Borenstein
I don't know what I would have done without them for those however many months.
Liv Perez
Are they stretchy?
Alison Borenstein
Yes. They have the elastic waistband, and I have the crepe ones, not the silk ones. So it's like, you can sit there, you can work from home. They don't get, like, super wrinkly and so those. But just like a big T shirt. Were kind of my go to.
Liv Perez
What about jeans?
Alison Borenstein
Yeah, so I bought some, like, jeans from cos. From, like, that are just like a more low rise. I had a pair of Still Here jeans. Do you know the cool jean? The ones with, like, the low rise?
Liv Perez
Those are tight.
Alison Borenstein
I had like a. Like a larger size and they were really low on me.
Liv Perez
Yeah, they're super low on me, too.
Alison Borenstein
They're like. Yeah, they're really low. So with like, this, the bump, they were good. And they're like, kind of soft. So I wore those. But then there was a point where I was like, I'm not doing this. Like I said, the comfort and the things touching my body, I was like, I just need soft.
Liv Perez
A lot of my sisters put those elastic bands in the side of their jeans. They took them to the tailor and had them just put elastic on the side.
Alison Borenstein
Oh, that's actually.
Liv Perez
And then had them take them out after so that they weren't buying new things, which I thought was smart.
Alison Borenstein
I think that's really, really smart. Yeah. Yeah.
Liv Perez
I mean, it must be. I always think about kind of like the life cycle of maternity clothes in your closet. Like, are you using what you already have? Are you buying other things and putting them in a box and saving them for your next pregnancy? Like, that must feel very overwhelming in that moment when you're like, oh, my God, am I about to not be able to use all my closet?
Alison Borenstein
Yeah, I think, yes, it felt very overwhelming. And that was again, like, my instinct to be like, I gotta buy a bunch of shit. But you realize you don't need that much, first of all. Like, you just need, like, a few pairs of pants that fit nice. Like, something nice to wear out to dinner or something nice to work from home. Like, there's not. You don't need so, so much. One thing that I did do is I. And I'm kind of still doing it, is I packed away all the jeans and stuff like that that didn't fit and just got them out of my closet. So then my closet was only stuff that fit and would work. And then I would go through every once in a while when I would get a little bigger and things would kind of stop fitting properly and I would put those away too. And now that I'm postpartum, I have, like a section in my closet, or I would tell somebody, maybe, like, do a rack of the things that fit right now. And it's kind of fun because as opposed to pregnancy, when I was getting rid of stuff, now I'm adding stuff. So it's like, kind of fun to be like, oh, like, these fit again, or these. You know, I can wear these again. I'm ready for this again. So it's like, things kind of keep, like, moving towards the front of my closet, which feels like a fun size. And it made me.
Liv Perez
It made me.
Alison Borenstein
Being pregnant and not wearing a lot of my clothes, it made me, like, really appreciate them and miss them.
Liv Perez
Yeah.
Alison Borenstein
I was like, I love you guys.
Liv Perez
Welcome back.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
I'm so happy you're here.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
That's really.
Alison Borenstein
That's cute. I like that. Yeah.
Liv Perez
I feel like oftentimes we'll see, like, the narrative of, like, I see it in movies all the time. Like, my pre baby jeans.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
What do you feel about that?
Alison Borenstein
I was actually talking to my mom about this before I came here. There's gonna be some jeans that, like, I'm. I haven't tried them on yet, but I'm. They're just gonna get rid of them. Like, they are. They're not gonna fit necessarily. And they're like, who I was before. And, like, I don't necessarily need to fit into them. And like, I was saying, like, it's not. It's really not up to the jeans. It's up to me. So, like, if they don't fit me, they gotta go. I'm in charge. It's my close. So, like. Yeah. There's gonna be a lot of things that I. I think I edit out, but I will say a tip is that I feel like when you're in the midst of a transition, it can feel a little, like, destabilizing and maybe a little bit frantic. So there was a few times where I was like, I wanna get rid of everything in my closet. Like, I wanna just give away all these jeans right now. But I think it's better to just wait until you're feeling, like, a little bit more stable, a little bit back to yourself. Not necessarily, like, the same size, but maybe close enough that you can try things on and just see. Like, is this something that I'm gonna wanna.
Liv Perez
You said something really interesting just now. That is, like, one of my favorite things that you talk about on Instagram. You were like, it's my closet and I'm in charge.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
Do you think that we're, like, beholden to our closet sometimes? Yeah, because I do.
Alison Borenstein
Yes.
Liv Perez
Like, I love that sometimes you're like, we need to go make friends with our closet.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
It's like, I put a dress on yesterday, so I went off birth control in May.
Alison Borenstein
Okay.
Liv Perez
And I'm just trying to, like, stabilize my body out. And I wore this dress to a friend's wedding in December that I tried to put on yesterday, and that did not fit. Like, I could not zip it up. And obviously, I'm so aware that going on and off the pill totally makes your body fluctuate. And I felt it months ago. I was like, okay, things are fitting a little differently than they did when I was on the pill. And I remember just, like, kind of spiraling. I was like, oh, my God. I feel beholden, but I feel almost like the dress is taunting me, almost, in a way. And I do just really appreciate the way that you talk about clothes as needing to be our friends and not our foes. So can you share a little bit about, like, how to become friends with our closet?
Alison Borenstein
Like, one. How to.
Liv Perez
How can we not be at odds with the things that don't fit us?
Alison Borenstein
Okay. Yes. I have so many clients where they'll say, like, I hate everything that's in my wardrobe. It's like, okay, well, then, like, let's figure out why. And what would you, like, you know, like, what's gonna work? So I feel like a lot of times our closets are filled with things that are either, like, you know, reminding us of, I don't know, maybe a purchase that we made that was a mistake or somebody that we used to be. And they don't. They really don't need to be there. Like, there's really no use for them. Like, that dress that, you know, you tried to put on, like, bye. Like, that's, like, it's our space. So I think it's really important to just kind of, like, stand in front of your closet and look at your clothes and, like, you want to like them all. And, like, you're saying it's taunting you. It's sitting there. It's like, yeah, reminding you. We don't need to have that reminder if we don't want it. And I don't see why you would want it.
Liv Perez
You mentioned something that I thought was really poignant, which is proportions. And something that I love to see you shift and lean into through your pregnancy style was these looser looks that still looked really elevated and polished.
Alison Borenstein
Thanks.
Liv Perez
So can you break down how to do that for someone? Because I think, in general, proportions are the best style lesson you could ever learn, but especially when you are dealing with this moment of transition in your life.
Alison Borenstein
Yes. Okay. So the proportions changed a lot through the nine months. I was really excited for the bump to come because you Know, as somebody, like, as women, I feel maybe not everybody, but maybe some people can relate to this. Like, we're insecure about our stomachs. At least I am, like, super insecure about my stomach. So I was like, oh, yay. Like, it's kind of liberating to be like, look, here it is, and, like, show it off. So I was very, very excited to wear, like, something cropped or something fitted. I did not really get a bump until later in my pregnancy. Like, maybe, like, 25 weeks, so that was kind of a bummer. But anyway, proportions. I realized that I liked something a little bit, like, silkier and drapier in the beginning, not because I was, like, trying to cover up anything, but just because, like, I was saying, it felt more comfortable. So I'd wear, like, a. Like, a silk or a crepe pant, and then I would wear a longer T shirt before I really like something kind of structured and stiff and, like, a little bit more boxy crop. That just wasn't working. It kind of. The nuance was lost a bit. Like, it was. I was already looking a little bit boxy, so it was like, it didn't work as well. So I wanted something that was, like, a little bit softer, like a linen T shirt, like a cashmere T shirt, Something that would just, like, drape and kind of fall nicely, like, around, you know, my boobs and my stomach with, like, a softer pant. And then I found it really helpful if I was wearing a jacket or, you know, a shoe. Like, if I was leaving the house, I would go for something that was a little bit, like, pointier and sharper in the shoe and in the jacket, just to, like, create some angles. Yep. And then as I got a little bit bigger, I would go for things that were maybe, like, a little bit tighter. And then finally, I went for things that were cropped so I could have the bump out. But, yeah, as things got. Or as I got a little bit bigger, I realized that actually maybe those sharp angles weren't working anymore. So then I pivoted to, like, longer trench coats and, like, ballet flats. Like, things that actually, I don't know, again, felt, like, a little bit more, like, sumptuous. But it was just like, a lot of, like, balance. Like, a lot of just being like, okay, how does this feel? And how can I add contrast to it?
Liv Perez
I think I saw a lot of you in, like, silk pants and those, like, oversized tees. I loved that. Thanks. Like, it looked really great on you, and I feel like it's a good Outfit formula. Like, did you have those that you were turning to all the time where you were just like, okay, here are my five looks that I'm rotating through today.
Alison Borenstein
Yes. And it changed often, so it was a little frustrating because I was like, okay, I get it. Like, there was a time where I was wearing a silk or, like, a crepe pant, like a long kind of oversized tee, and then like, a little, like, cropped jacket. Like, I had, like, a vintage Armani little, like, cropped jacket that I wore every single day. Cute. And then pretty soon as, like, the jacket wasn't fitting anymore, the cropped wasn't really working. So then I was pivoting to, like, okay, maybe then I could do, like, the sharper blazer. So I think it really is just like, okay, what's not working right now or what's making me feel, like, not myself and why? And then how can I kind of adjust it accordingly? And like, you know, I sort of. It was like, kind of turning dials. Like, I was adjusting just to get, like, the levels exactly correct. But like you, I had to keep adjusting.
Liv Perez
Something that I think is probably so helpful that you tell your clients you've become very popular for the three word method. And I'm sure in these times of crisis, that is everything. Having this formula that you can turn to and be like, okay, who I am, who am I? And how can I incorporate this into my style? Can you share a little bit about this?
Alison Borenstein
Yes.
Liv Perez
Because I'm sure a lot of people listening have heard it. But in this context of losing your style and trying to find it again.
Alison Borenstein
I'm sure It's really helpful, 100%. So the three word method is just kind of distilling your style into three words. And again, not meant to in any kind of box, but just sort of meant to, like, help you visualize and give yourself some guardrails and, like, just really help you understand, like, where you are and where you want to go. So for me, I think my three words have kind of changed. But, like, I would say that they're, like, classic, 70s and elegant. Love that. Thank you.
Liv Perez
And I also love that you said they can change, because a lot of.
Alison Borenstein
People have asked me.
Liv Perez
A lot of people have been like, have you done Allison's three words? And I'm like, I don't know where to start. I get nervous that I'm going to, like, box myself into three words.
Alison Borenstein
They change all the time.
Liv Perez
I like, I think I resonate with the classic and elegant, but I don't know what my third word is?
Alison Borenstein
Okay, we're gonna have to figure this.
Liv Perez
Out, because I have to be very classic and elegant, for sure. In my, like, 30s. That's, like, kind of where I live, but there's, like, a little bit of me that, like, was born and raised on Gossip Girl. And, like, I love a printed skirt. And, like, I love the. Like, I was raised on Gossip Girl. Lauren Santo Domingo. Like, that era of women in fashion. Olivia Palermo.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
So, like, I do love a little bit of drama.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah, it's like, a little drama. Like, preppies may be the wrong word, but, like, a little bit of that. Like, feminine. Like, a little, like, prim, but, like, in a fun way.
Liv Perez
A lot of people say preppy to me, and I'm like, it's not preppy.
Alison Borenstein
I don't like colors.
Liv Perez
It's like, I'm wearing one, but it's like, I don't. Yeah. Like, I never put, like, a sweater over this, which I think is, like, quintessential preppy.
Alison Borenstein
Right.
Liv Perez
But that's just not my. I know. It's really hard. That third word for me is it has haunted me.
Alison Borenstein
Allison, we're gonna get there. We're gonna figure it out. But, yeah, I like the idea of, like, dramatic. So, like, if you're having a hard time with your three words, I kind of, like, I make each word mean something. It doesn't have to. But, like, I say the first word is what you find by looking in your closet and the things that you wear all the time, not just the things that are in the closet, but really, like, what are your go tos, and how would you describe them? And for me, those things are classic. The second word is what you know when you look at your Pinterest board and the things that you're inspired by, how would you describe those things? And a lot of times, like, those can be really different from what's actually in your wardrobe. And also just kind of being like, okay, like, this is for a photo. How can I make. How can I make this, like, work for my life? Functional function. Yes. Or like, this is on Kendall Jenner, who's super tall. Like, how can I figure out, again, proportion to make this work for me and my shape? Third word is how do you want to feel? And for me, that's Elliot. It might be a little different now, postpartum.
Liv Perez
How?
Alison Borenstein
Because I think I came up with the word elegant when I lived in New York, and I felt like everything was, like, a little, like, messy, and, like, my hair is always a little messy. And I'm always, like, kind of rush, and I'm, you know, in New York, like, you're thinking a lot about function. So, like, I think it was almost like a good contrasting word for me to remind myself, like, just, like, clean it up a bit, you know, like, get it together. Like, add a nice bag, add some jewelry. Like a good. You know, it was just, like, a good reminder. But now in la, I feel. I don't know, maybe there's like, a desire to be more relaxed. And I think also being a new mom, like, I want to. I want my son to feel like I'm relaxed, and I want to look relaxed, and I want to, like, be relaxed, which is, like, really hard as a new mom.
Liv Perez
But that's where your 70s comes in. That too. Because it feels so, like, lived in and, like, groovy, cool, laid back. Like, I love that part of your style, and I think that's still there, but I think you do that in an elegant way.
Alison Borenstein
Thank you.
Liv Perez
So I think that, like, that should stay.
Alison Borenstein
Okay, Great. I'm in.
Liv Perez
70S for me. Does it for you.
Alison Borenstein
Right. It gives, like, the more. Yeah, you're right. Like, a little bit more grounded. Yes.
Liv Perez
But I understand how elegant can come off as, like, hard to wear.
Alison Borenstein
Totally. And, like, I mean, we're not lived in. Yes. Like, I love, like, a tie blouse, but I like it untied. You know, like, it's like these kind of details that feel. Yeah. Like, polished, put together, elegant, like, silky, but still wearing it in a way that feels, like, a little bit easier and more relaxed. Yep. So, yeah, so those are the three words. And what I found was hard when I was pregnant and postpartum was to, like, get that sort of that, like, 70s or that groovy or like, that cool factor. Like, I was like, I look nice. I look fine. But, like, I don't look or feel cool. And that, I think, was really tricky. And the way that I kind of reconcile that is I added a lot of jewelry, like, a lot of vintage jewelry. A lot of vintage jackets and coats and stuff like that. So, like, my base would still be like, a T shirt and the crepey pants, but then putting on, like, a cool suede jacket.
Liv Perez
Right.
Alison Borenstein
You know, so that texture, the textures, and like, even, like, vintage pieces, vintage bags, like, big bags, things that, like, you know, really round sunglasses, like, big sunglasses. I felt like those added that kind of that cool factor. So I didn't feel just, like, so simple. Right. And so classic. Right. Cause that's also not me.
Liv Perez
It's such a great practice. And I appreciate that you say it can evolve because I think my favorite thing about fashion is that it grows with us 100%. When I look back at what I was wearing a year ago, I'm like, it was cute, it was fine. But it's not who I am now. And I think that that's like one of the coolest character studies that we can do as humans is looking at where we were in life and where we are now and how what we put on is emblematic of that. So I like that this three word method can change with us. And I think that's kind of fun. Like, one year it could change out. And yes, I think as long as they're not all changing like one, there has to be a through line.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah, there's always something consistent. But like, one word can change or like even like the meaning of it can change, you know? But you touched on something that I think is, like, really interesting is I feel like recently with clients, especially like slightly younger ones, they're like obsessed with like, not looking, cringe, or like, not looking. They're obsessed with the idea that they might look back at what they're wearing and not like it. And it's like, that's kind of the point.
Liv Perez
Great point, 100%. By the way, there was a point in time when I first started doing this podcast where I would not reference my past style or like talk about it or look at it. And even, like, I would not want to share it on Instagram. And you have to embrace the cringe. Like, oh my God, if you can't sit down and talk about the crazy shit that you wore in high school.
Alison Borenstein
Can't be friends. We can't be friends. Yeah. Because it's like, you know, I look back at pictures and I'm like, wouldn't wear that now. But, like, felt great.
Liv Perez
Oh, I felt amazing. And part of that confidence is what gave me the confidence to try the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
And now I feel more confident in my style than I ever have. And I would have not gotten to this point if I hadn't tried those insane hot pink star earrings.
Alison Borenstein
Yes.
Liv Perez
Those Jeffrey Campbell lace up heels that we all wore.
Alison Borenstein
What were those called again? The. I want to say Lolita, but, like, it's not something like that, Lita. No, it's something. But I had them done.
Liv Perez
Those Jeffrey Campbell, like, crazy shoes. Like, you have to go through those. You gotta go through the if you don't love me at my Worst. You cannot love me at my best.
Alison Borenstein
Exactly.
Liv Perez
And you cannot be here for the good fashion if you didn't love me at my bad fashion.
Alison Borenstein
Amen. Amen. And I'm probably gonna look back at this and be like, what was I doing? But it's like, that's the point. It's like, you have to take swings or else, you know, you'll feel boring. Or, again, like, you're not expressing yourself. And again, like, postpartum pregnancy, like, any transition, it's like, it's about sort of, you know, using fashion to, like, kind of help sort of like, I don't know, like, get a handle on where you are and then where you want to go. Yes. So it's like a loose. A loose grip on it. You know, you don't want to be, like, clutching onto who you used to be. It's like, oh, yeah, a loose grip.
Liv Perez
Something that helps me with that is like, how do I walk in the closet every day and get dressed for my eyes only?
Alison Borenstein
Love that.
Liv Perez
So I'm not going to sit here and be like, I'm having dinner with this person. What do I think they would want me to wear?
Alison Borenstein
That's an amazing point.
Liv Perez
It's like, close your eyes and be like, what do I want to wear? And not what I want this person to perceive me as.
Alison Borenstein
That's huge.
Liv Perez
It's hard because I think as society, we are trained to do that. That's just life.
Alison Borenstein
Yes.
Liv Perez
But I think how I've gotten to figure out my style more is by closing my eyes and saying, like, what do I want to walk out of my door feeling and not how I want someone else to feel about me.
Alison Borenstein
That's really amazing. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, the times where I've actually, like, really not loved what I was wearing or, like, felt really uncomfortable are the times where I was trying to not necessarily be somebody else, but show up.
Liv Perez
As, like, what would fit in the setting.
Alison Borenstein
Yes.
Liv Perez
Fashion is super manipulative.
Alison Borenstein
It really is. We love her, though. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, we have control. Yes. I.
Liv Perez
That has been my favorite thing you've said this whole episode.
Alison Borenstein
Thanks. Because it is.
Liv Perez
I think it's just. It's so true that our clothes can sometimes hold us hostage, and it's like, how can we just be friends?
Alison Borenstein
Yeah. Yeah.
Liv Perez
100%. Another thing I love that you've done recently is talk about the things that have made you feel sexy as a new mom, which I know you mentioned earlier, was a challenge in Certain times. So what are you doing right now that's making you feel the sexiest? Like, what are you putting on where you're just like, ooh, I feel great.
Alison Borenstein
Well, this outfit, which pretty much all that works right now.
Liv Perez
I love that.
Alison Borenstein
Other things that I'm doing, like, a lot of beauty stuff. Yep. So, like, was really excited to get Botox again.
Liv Perez
God bless Botox. I know.
Alison Borenstein
God bless Botox. What else was I excited to do? I don't drink alcohol, so, like, that wasn't that exciting. But, like, you do just feel, like, really limited in pregnancy. And I feel like now I'm like, inject me. Like, let me try, like, different creams. Let me. I don't know, like, yeah, anything. I'll try anything.
Liv Perez
The joys of being a woman.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah. I remember when people remember. It was like five months ago when I first was postpartum. A lot of my friends were like, it's gonna take you six months. And I was like, I don't wanna wait six months. Like, I need to feel better now. And now I'm at, like, I'm almost at five months. And I'm like, yeah, it does. It takes a while.
Liv Perez
My mom always says nine months in, nine months out. Yes, that's her thing.
Alison Borenstein
Yes, it does take one. Like, the most unhelpful thing that people said, like, not unhelpful, just, like, not actionable, is like, relax, it's going to be fine. Like, just, like, don't stress. And like, that was really hard for me.
Liv Perez
But does anybody ever relax by being told, relax?
Alison Borenstein
And I was like, no. But, like, what do I do? Everyone's like, it's fine. Like, you're going to feel like yourself again. Like, it's going to. It's going to feel great. You just have to give yourself time. And, like, I would probably give that advice to somebody else, too. It's like, you just have to, like, kind of enjoy the. The ride.
Liv Perez
I'm trying to think of what that one actionable thing is, though, for someone who is action oriented. If someone listening right now is in a transitional period of their life. Breakup, postpartum, menopause, anything. What's that? Like, one thing you can tell them to do today that isn't time.
Alison Borenstein
Yes. That isn't just, like, waiting. I think it would be. I think it would be creating like, a little capsule, like I was saying, in your closet of things that feel really good right now and, like, playing with those and then sort of taking time to figure out, well, now where do I want to go? And wait, let me mention this too. When I. One of my clients was like, I'm having a really hard time with my three words. I'm having a really hard time figuring out the second word, which is like, who do I want to be? And I was like, okay, what outfit are you wearing where you feel like, I feel so good. This is how I always want to feel. And like, how would you describe that outfit?
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Alison Borenstein
So I feel like making a little capsule of like, these are my favorite things. This is how I want to feel, this is how I want to move in the world. I feel like that's really helpful because it just like, it gives you, I don't know, it's like, it's like manifesting, like it just gives you sort of like a vision. I love it. Yeah.
Liv Perez
I think it's important. I think everybody needs an actionable tip.
Alison Borenstein
Yeah.
Liv Perez
Thank you so much for coming on.
Alison Borenstein
This is really fun.
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Host: Liv Perez
Guest: Allison Bornstein
Date: November 10, 2025
In this episode, host Liv Perez sits down with stylist, author, and new mom Allison Bornstein to dive into the dynamic process of rediscovering personal style during life transitions like pregnancy, postpartum, a new job, a move, or any new chapter. Together, they unpack the emotional and practical challenges of embracing body changes, editing your closet, and redefining what it means to dress for who you are today—not who you were or think you should be. Allison shares her hallmark “three word method” for honing personal style, actionable ways to rebuild wardrobe confidence, and insights into fostering a kinder relationship with your clothes.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating a life shift and feeling disconnected from their closet or style identity. Allison’s warmth, humor, and no-nonsense advice demystify personal style, shifting the goal from perfection to self-understanding and kindness. Through her lived experience and practical strategies, she and Liv provide a roadmap—anchored by the three word method, actionable steps, and self-compassion—to help you reclaim your style in any new era.