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Let's Talk Off Camera with Kelly Ripa
Kate Hudson: Is Running Point (Re-release)
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Star of Netflix's "Running Point," Kate Hudson and Kelly Ripa take a deep dive into Kate's life and "The Secret" to her success. From how early media and tabloid attention taught her the art of not giving a sh*t to an inside look at her famous family's dynamic! She shares what the holidays are like with mom Goldie Hawn, Pa Kurt Russell and brothers Oliver Hudson, Wyatt Russell and Boston Russell. Kate also tells Kelly about her most personal project to date...her album "Glorious". Could a Grammy be next?!
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Kelly Ripa
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Kate Hudson
We're walking down the street and out of nowhere she just goes, ugh, I'm obsessed with Harry Styles. And I thought to myself, I'm like, she's four.
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Kelly Ripa
Somebody gonna cue me or do I cue myself?
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Alison (Producer)
Cue yourself.
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Kelly Ripa
Okay, this is let's talk off camera. For those of you who don't know me, my name is Kelly Ripa and I've been a talk show host for 23 years now. And the best conversations I have when there's not a camera involved, whether it's backstage or in my dressing room or during a commercial break, that's when we always get candid. So this is. Let's talk off camera. Okay, guys, I'm not gonna lie. I am really enjoying doing a podcast. Still in my same sweatpants, still in my same like, no makeup, unclean hair. I feel like the best version of myself or the dirtiest version of myself. And you know, we do these two minute, three minute segments on the talk show. We don't get to have deep conversations and then the music rolls. Commercial break. That's it. But today's actress, I don't want to actually limit her to just an actress because she is so much more. She's a singer, she's a songwriter, she's an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur. She's a super mom. I'm very excited. I'm not gonna bring her on yet because first we have to cover a little housekeeping around here. Okay, we should talk about the fact that Jacob, one of our producers, got engaged recently. Jacob. Jacob. Jacob's in the house.
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Alison (Producer)
Hi, everyone. I really did not expect this today.
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Kelly Ripa
Listen, I just want you to know that Kate Hudson may or may not be listening to this, so.
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Alison (Producer)
Hi, Kate Hudson.
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Kelly Ripa
Deepen that voice right up. Sound like your most manly version of your.
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Alison (Producer)
This is my podcast voice now.
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Kelly Ripa
Very good. Okay, so eight years you've been with this lady?
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Alison (Producer)
Yes. Alison.
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Kelly Ripa
You met freshman year in college.
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Alison (Producer)
We met freshman year in college. We actually knew each other when we were younger through overnight camp. We knew each other through socials, but we really became friends at NYU and then started dating.
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Kelly Ripa
No kidding. And soon you two will like eventually get married and then lose your virginity to each other.
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Alison (Producer)
That's exactly it.
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Kate Hudson
We're waiting.
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Kelly Ripa
That's very exciting. And which.
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Alison (Producer)
That was a joke, everyone.
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Kelly Ripa
So after. No. In case her mother's listening. So after eight years now after eight years, I've got to tell you, I'd be like, is this operation shit or get off the pot or. There was no ultimatum. You just went ahead and surprised her.
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Alison (Producer)
No ultimatum. I mean, we were pretty young. We moved in together after college and so we just wanted to like, get everything together, become. Become adults without like, ruining our relationship. So.
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Kelly Ripa
Adults without Borders.
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Alison (Producer)
Adults without borders, exactly.
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Kelly Ripa
Yeah. Uh huh. And did you have any breakups or.
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Alison (Producer)
We had zero breakups. And that was actually a big thing in our relationship. We always said we. We're not gonna be the couple that breaks up and gets back together. And if we were gonna do it, we're gonna do it and commit. And we really view each other as partners in that sense. So it's really great.
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Kelly Ripa
Well, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing this.
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Alison (Producer)
Of course. This is so exciting.
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Kelly Ripa
I feel like Mark and I break up at least once. Once a day. No breakups.
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Alison (Producer)
We've been pretty good. No, we've been really good. So it's been good.
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Kelly Ripa
Really good. No sex with anybody else.
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Alison (Producer)
No sex with anyone else.
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Kelly Ripa
And you don't feel like this girl that you lost your virginity to. You're gonna. I'm just go. I'm sticking with this. I just want you to wait. I want Kate to see you on the Screen so you can see how baby faced he is. Oh my gosh, the most adorable. All right, well, thank you, Jacob. Congratulations.
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Kate Hudson
Yay, Jacob.
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Kelly Ripa
Listeners, we will keep you posted on any movement in the wedding planning of Jacob. That's really nice. That's really sweet. I was not expecting that. I am proud of you. You are just like me. I waited for Mark. Just kidding. Just kidding, everyone. Okay, so the reason I bring Jacob in is because he's not the only engaged person around here. You know, our first guest, our only guest today is also an engaged lady. And she is all of the things that makes a person a movie star. She's dazzling, she's talented, she's smart, she's efferves. She seems to be always in a good mood. She plays of course, Birdie in the enormous hit Glass Onion, a knives out mystery. If you haven't seen it yet, it's on Netflix and you are late to the party. She's my favorite character because Birdie is the worst part of all of us and yet the best. She's a Golden Globe winner, an Oscar nominated actress. She's Hollywood. She's Hollywood royalty, darling. And she's a good time Charlie for sure. Please welcome the delightful Kate Hudson. Woo hoo. Yay.
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Kate Hudson
Hello, Kelly. How fun. I'm so excited.
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Kelly Ripa
So tell me, you're recording an album right now, right?
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Kate Hudson
I am, I am.
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Kelly Ripa
Okay, so tell me about your recording an album voice. Do you assume different characters when you record an album? No. Or do you just sing as yourself and let the music take you?
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, no, this was a very different experience for me than singing other people's music, you know, Cause like I in the films where I'm sang, you know, there is character and there's a certain kind of way that some people want you to be singing, which is really fun. I love that. But this has been a totally different thing. It's been one of the great creative experiences of my life and I'm so happy I did it. It's been almost two years. Look, when it comes be two years and I just had to do it and it's very honest. So there's no part of my. It's just me. It's my voice.
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Kelly Ripa
It's like giving birth. Only much longer than giving birth.
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Kate Hudson
It really is. It really is. It's also. I'm just so happy that I'm doing it. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of people who can relate to this, that they love something so much, but they just are scared to actually pursue it. But it's like, the very thing they wish they were doing all the. And I just got to that point in Covid where I was like, if I don't make a record, this will be one of the great regrets for me. I'll just. I'll be so mad at myself for not having the courage to do it. But now that I've kind of gotten past that part of. I'm so in it now that I'm, like, now I'm mad at myself. I'm, like, hitting myself that I didn't start do this, you know, in my 20s. Yeah. Because I love to write music. It's just, like, something I love to do.
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Kelly Ripa
Do you keep journals as well? Do you journal your life?
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Kate Hudson
I mean, my whole life. They're very repetitive, though, if I'm being honest. I got to a certain point where I looked back at, like, my early 20s, and I was like, I feel like I might have wrote that same journal entry, like, four years ago. You know, it's like, I. We do change and we move and we gain wisdom and all of those things, but there are just certain things that don't shift.
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Kelly Ripa
What's the theme? Like, give me your journal theme, and I'll give you my journal theme.
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Kate Hudson
Oh, boys. Boys, boys, boys. And always. I mean, when I was younger, it was always about me not being able to take it anymore. Like, every. I just, like, I just can't take this anymore, you know, and, like, writing all of the things that I just can't handle. And I. You know, I don't know how much longer I can do this. I, like, eight. You know.
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Kelly Ripa
My theme in my journal is the opposite of that. I'm always in love with a female journalist, and I will never be as good as she is at anything. It's always like, I love Rachel Maddow. Why didn't I uncover the Russian corrupt?
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, well, you're really setting yourself up to, like, fail in that.
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Kelly Ripa
Yeah, 100%. I'm glad that you figured that out for me.
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Kate Hudson
But you can play a Rachel Maddow.
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Kelly Ripa
You could play a Rachel Maddow. I will watch you, and then I'll interview you after you play Rachel. Perfect.
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Kate Hudson
We've seen. We've said that you never have to write one of those entries ever again.
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Kelly Ripa
So you were like, you're not just hardworking in the film industry and in the music industry, but you're a true creative. Like, you've got your vodka brand. You've got your wellness supplements. You are like a scientist. I like to think that you are like, using every part of your brain all the time. Did your mom, Goldie Hawn, the great Goldie Hawn, instill that in you? You know, you don't have to be any one thing. You can be many things. Cause she came up in Hollywood in a very, like a totally different time where it's like you were an actor and that's what you did, and that's all. You stayed in your lane.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. And she decided to tell people that told her to stay in her lane to go fuck themselves and basically started producing her own movies, which wasn't happening at the time. And she had to really, like, fight for a lot of these movies to be made. Was seen by a lot of people as. As difficult and complicated because she had a point of view.
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Kelly Ripa
Isn't that funny? When women have a point of view, they're complicated and difficult. They're being difficult and making problems again.
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Kate Hudson
That's right. And I actually. I actually had an experience with someone recently who was talking about an experience with my mom, and he was sort of saying that she was challenging. And I. I remember thinking, like, you know, that's funny though. But like, was she right about what you thought was her being difficult? And he was like, oh, yeah. I mean, she was definitely right. You know, the whole script needed a complete rewrite.
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Kelly Ripa
So she was right. So all she was was right.
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Kate Hudson
She really was just trying to say, you know, hey, guys, we should probably relook at the script, you know, and that is considered complicated, especially in the 70s and 80s in Hollywood. So, yeah, I mean, definitely, I saw her strength. I saw her conviction. She's so determined. I mean, she's really unbelievable. I even look at how she is with her foundation and 20 years in when people were like, laughing at her because it was like they thought it was about meditation, but she was so focused on kids, social, emotional learning, and created this amazing curriculum for young kids to actually learn how to manage their stressors better, which is more needed now than ever.
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Kelly Ripa
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
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Kate Hudson
So she was sort of on the cutting edge of this, and she didn't. She never gave up. I mean, 20 years now she's finally getting her, you know, sort of kudos for what she's been creating, but she just doesn't. She doesn't let up. And I think as I now raise my daughter and see how she wants to emulate things that I'm doing, even just the smallest things, like watching me put on makeup and her kind of, you know, sort of trying to do the same things I mean, it's where I learned everything.
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Kelly Ripa
What a great teacher.
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Kate Hudson
Amazing I got so I just feel so blessed. I don't even know what I must have done in a past life to have been born to her as a mother.
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Kelly Ripa
Do you teach, like your son Ryder, who's your firstborn, like, the art of resilience to try and fail, or did you try to, like, helicopter parent? Like, what kind of a mother were you to your first child?
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Kate Hudson
I mean, I have, like, what I think, and then I think my entire family would have what they think about how I've raised my kids, you know?
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Kelly Ripa
Okay, give me both versions.
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Kate Hudson
We are a very judgmental family. We're very. We judge each other's parenting like crazy. You know, someone's always saying something about someone else's parenting behind their back, you know, and it's all in good fun. There's no. Like, this isn't like a sending us into deep therapy. But I would say for me, that I'm a very strict parent. I'm not as lenient as I think people would think that I am. I'm very strict when it comes to not only getting the things done, but doing the things that you say you're going to do and following through. And if you don't follow through, there's consequences. Like, those things I'm very strict about, which my brother Ali is the opposite. And then, like, manners, to me is so important. Like, looking people in the eye, like, there's things that just have to happen.
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Kelly Ripa
Let me just say this. When Rani was born, I sent you a little gift for her. When we have people that we love and care about but don't necessarily know very well, and we're just happy for them, we send gifts. Kate is, I can say this, I think, one of maybe two celebrities that has ever sent me a thank you note and, like, a beautiful, thoughtful, handwritten thank you notes.
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Kate Hudson
Sending thank you notes. That's like my. I love receiving them. When I get a note, I'm always like, oh, that feels so good.
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Kelly Ripa
Feels so good. It feels like an extra. You send thank you notes to everybody. I do, but I'm out of stationery, so I've got, like, a bunch. I literally have been walking around at work saying, I'm sorry that I haven't properly thanked you yet, but I'm waiting for my personalized stationery. I'm very finicky. I am finicky about my shit. So, okay, so Oliver. When you see Oliver with his kids, will you get in there as an aunt and be like, no, that's not what we do. Or, like, have you ever gotten involved in something going on with the kids?
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. Oh, yes. Although usually Oliver's pretty laid back. Like, he usually lets me just do the way I discipline.
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Kelly Ripa
He's happy for you to do the work.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, he's, like, fine. Like, get mad. I don't care. Like, and then the kids will be like, dad, Auntie Kate says no. I mean, what am I gonna. You know? So we're good with that. But I think that I am very protective. I actually think that I'm pretty good. I think my whole family, their big judgment for me would be that I have too much anxiety around. Like, you know, if they're, like, in a tree, and I'm like, I can't look. I can't watch. I can't be around it. I want them out of the tree, and everybody's like, they're fine in the tree. That I would say that's the thing I have to work on the most is my anxiety when kids are wild.
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Kelly Ripa
Was that with each kid or, like, all of them? Yeah, that's funny. See, with us, and our kids are closer together in age, but when we had Michael, we were, like, not neurotic, but we were very, like, on top of him. And then Lola came along, and she was a girl, and she was like, I got this. You know, like, you don't have to hover. I got it. And so we were a little bit more hands off. And then by the time Joaquin came around, I mean, I didn't even know I was pregnant with him. It was the shortest pregnancy I've ever had because I was, like, five months pregnant and then found out I was pregnant. And then I had him. And then I was like, lola, who is 15 months old. Here, hold your brother so mommy can shower. Literally, like, putting her down on the floor and handing her a newborn.
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Kate Hudson
Oh, that's so. Yeah, I know. You mean. I mean, I definitely felt like in that first part, in the first, like, six months, way less anxiety. Way less anxiety. But, yeah, I just. I have that, like, mother floating anxiety that just doesn't go away.
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Kelly Ripa
Yeah, right. Of course. So you guys are like, one big blended family. Like, when I think about your tribe, that is a tribe that, like, it seems like everybody's allowed in with open arms. Is that fair?
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Kate Hudson
Yes. Yes. Every once in a while, my mom, which is what's really funny. Cause she's the most open, will shut the door like she's a scorpio. I call it, like, the tail comes out and it's like she'll be like, no, like, once every three years, like, my mother will just cut off someone from something, you know, like.
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Kelly Ripa
But is it always justified? Like, do you look back and go, oh, you were right.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Kelly Ripa
Deserve the scorpion tail.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, but, but, but other than that, yes, we are a totally open door kind of family with aunts and uncles extend beyond our actual family. But our, our, you know, our core family, we all live five minutes from each other. I walk to my brother's, I walk to my mom's. Oliver's the only one who we all have to get in the car to see, but he's only five minutes away. Which I think is the way that honestly, we're meant to be as humans. I think it's like, what keeps people probably alive longer. Actually, I was talking with Dan Buettner about this. He does that blue zones thing. Have you ever interviewed him?
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Kelly Ripa
No, I haven't, but I know what you're talking about.
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Kate Hudson
She's the best. And community, like three generation households usually live longer.
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Kelly Ripa
The longest. Yeah. You know, it's an old book now, I think I've talked to you about this and I've recommended this book to everyone that I've ever met. It's called Tribe by Sebastian Younger. And it's an old book. And it was at the forefront of, like, I think Facebook was just coming out or maybe Twitter. There was just like an app. And he was predicting that it's like, that's gonna break down our tribal living. Like, computers are great. However, people are not congregating together in a way that is healthy for society to survive. And I really think the book is, like, now it's even more pertinent than it was when it was written. It talks all about that.
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Kate Hudson
I'd like to read that book.
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Kelly Ripa
Yeah, I'll send it to you. Cause I always have, like, if I love a book, I have like 12 copies of it. And I just, I'm like, oh, here, take. I'm like a library. Albert's favorite was. What's the one Oprah liked? Oh, the secret. The secret.
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Kate Hudson
Oh, the secret.
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Kelly Ripa
So good, so good. Albert secrets me all the time. Secret. And I'm like, stop. Secret. Secret talk was a good one. Okay, here we go.
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Kate Hudson
Have you said I'm secret?
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Kelly Ripa
Of course I did. But he like, secret talks me as though it's the only language I can understand. This is today's secret message. You get a daily message. This is an amazing one. Okay, here we go. Ready? If somebody says something negative to you, do not react. Oh, please, Albert. You have to get yourself to a point where you can stay calm and peaceful inside, no matter what negative things happen on the outside. When you can maintain peace and joy within you despite any situation on the outside, you have become the master of everything. I've seen him get upset if there's not enough garlic bread at the Olive Garden. Okay, so to be clear, Mr. Calm and Peaceful, I had to learn.
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Kate Hudson
That lesson so early because there was so much tabloid stuff. Like, when I got really famous, there was so much. There were so many lies, you know, and it was so weird because in my mind, I felt. It felt so unjust. I was like, this is unfair. And at that time, which was early.
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Kelly Ripa
2000S, nobody understands how different it is now with social media. It was so different.
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Kate Hudson
They were so different. It was so mean to women.
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Kelly Ripa
Oh, so mean to women.
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Kate Hudson
I mean, the body shaming from being too skinny to too fat to then going up your skirt and from the cellulite and I mean, like, it's almost like I couldn't speak to a man without being partnered with him. Like, literally, I couldn't sit and say hello to someone. There was so much of it at such a rate that I was, like, couldn't in any way comprehend that. I just realized I need to figure out how to, like, not care about any of this.
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Kelly Ripa
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Kate Hudson
See, I'm so scared that I haven't.
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Kelly Ripa
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Kate Hudson
I need it.
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Kelly Ripa
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Kate Hudson
It was like harassment eating away at me. It was so negative.
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Kelly Ripa
And it's like taking the joy like you can't even enjoy your accomplishments. You can't enjoy giving birth, you can't enjoy an Academy Award nomination. You can't enjoy these things because you just know that tomorrow there will be a story or there'll be that irritating email saying we're going to publish this ridiculous story by five o' clock tonight. If you don't respond with a, you know, whatever it is.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. You know, and you just realize that you're letting them win. The more you feel bad, if I'm gonna allow this, like, negative energy to get into me, then I. Then they win. I've given them all my power.
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Kelly Ripa
Yeah. You know, Mark always says that. He always says that dumb thing to me when I'm, like, feeling bad about something, you know, somebody has said something shitty. He'll say to me, kelly, what other people think about you is none of your business. But he's right. It's like, none of my business. These are people that don't know you. They're invested in you because you sell headlines. Or now it's, you know, now it's clickbait or whatever. But it's like, people care about you. And I'm always like, well, can't people care? And they write something nice? And apparently, like, they can't write something nice because people don't click on nice.
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Kate Hudson
It's just not the nature. Well, it's also not the nature. They did this study. I'm going to. I forget who did it about. About why. People tend to want to see people fail even when they love someone. Like, they actually get a sense of joy out of watching someone.
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Kelly Ripa
I don't have that. I. I don't either. I don't have that.
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Kate Hudson
But I. I see it in so many of my friends and people I love. I don't blame them for it. I'm sort of like, you know, it's just an interesting thing that our nature, our brains, however they're wired, are actually more prone to being more engaged in someone's failure than in their success.
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Kelly Ripa
It's really a sad. That's like, sad. It makes me. It's heartbreaking. I don't even get excited when my enemies fail. My myriad enemies. My myriad enemies. I've gotta say, when I think of you, I don't think that you have. I don't think there's a person that I've ever met that doesn't love you. So whatever you're doing, you're doing it right. Do you know what I mean?
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Kate Hudson
I mean, I hope so. I was talking about this the other day that I felt when I was younger. I did, actually. I never, like, talked about it. Cause I, you know, I Sometimes I think those things are kind of get. I would think people wouldn't understand. They'd be like, why? How could she get bullied? You know? But the truth is, is that when I was younger, my dedication to being in the arts, whether it be singing or performing, I was so focused that a lot of my peers really, like, bullied. Like, they would be mean to me, you know, and. And. And things like. Things like, you know, writing and lipstick, like you suck on a. On a thing. Or like, I remember on a soccer field one time, this girl, like, took my bag and all my tampons and threw everything everywhere, like, really bad stuff. And I thought I never really did anything to incite that kind of hatred towards me. And I'd carry that my whole life, knowing that I just needed to keep being nice and kind and open and available, that I never wanted to be mean to other girls, you know?
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Kelly Ripa
And do you know, listeners, who that woman was today? Cate Blanchett. No, I'm just kidding. Wouldn't that be so crazy?
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Kate Hudson
Cate Blanchett was in the soccer field next to me.
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Kelly Ripa
She was my soccer bully. No, but does that, like, did that ever get to you? Like, you just intuitively knew to just keep being positive?
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, I was like, I knew. I mean, I also had great parents that would help me in moments like that. And honestly, my parents are so nuts. And, like, you know, their first question to me, when something terrible would happen, they'd be like, well, what did you do? Not, like, blame the victim. Oh, honey. It was like, well, what's your part in this?
- [30:43]
Kelly Ripa
Right?
- [30:43]
Kate Hudson
And so I grew up always being like, okay, like, what did I do? Did I do something to.
- [30:51]
Kelly Ripa
To provoke this?
- [30:52]
Kate Hudson
And honestly, I realized that it was. It was my desire to be on a stage or, like, create.
- [31:02]
Kelly Ripa
And sometimes people find that threatening when you have. Like, when you're a young person in particular, maybe I just know this from watching my own kids, their friends, my own life. Sometimes when you're at an age where people are starting to form ideas about what they want to be, and you're a kid that doesn't know what you want to be, you can find that to be very threatening. When you see somebody who knows exactly what it is they want out of life, that can be a very threatening, intimidating thing. You know, it's, like, easy to apply the word jealousy because you're gorgeous and you've got, like. You've got everything from the outside, right? People that don't know you. I'm saying if you're this girl on the soccer field, Cate Blanchett say, and it'll never not be funny. I don't know why that just popped in my head. But if you are, like, if you're the girl on the soccer field looking at You. She's probably saying, why does she have everything? And I don't know what I want out of life, where I want to go.
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Kate Hudson
Well, whatever their circumstances are, wherever that comes from, I think the thing that you learn, and I think it's a good thing that I wish every girl learned when they were younger is that. Is to let them talk. Like, let it, Let it. Let them. You know, it's easier said than done, but, like, you know. You know, you. You know, you.
- [32:33]
Kelly Ripa
You.
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Kate Hudson
You have to. You have to at some point, just. And this is coming off still off of that quote, but you just have to let it roll. Let it, like, just let them talk. Cause they're always going to. It's human nature.
- [32:47]
Kelly Ripa
Yeah. You know, I said to a friend of mine who became famous, like, a little bit later on in life, and he was hit with, like, his first wave of bad press, and he was like, oh, my God, how do you. You know, how do you stand it? He's like, everyone says horrible things about you all the time. And I was like, really?
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Alison (Producer)
Everybody?
- [33:13]
Kate Hudson
All the time?
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Kelly Ripa
You know, it's like, really? Is it that bad? And I said to him, and I think it's good advice. I go, people get bored, and they'll move on. It's just like when you're the new kid. When you're the new kid on the block, it can be irresistible. You're a blank canvas. Yeah. So you mentioned your brother Oliver, and you've got this great podcast, Sibling Revelry. How do you know where the boundaries are? How far can you push each other? How do you control when it goes off the rails? Or is that the beauty of it?
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Kate Hudson
I mean, there's definitely a lot that we've had to cut. I've definitely been like, hey, our producer, Alison. Like, Alison, you need to cut that entire hour. Like, it's just too personal. But it's actually been really great. Oliver's so open. The only thing is that he doesn't care. So he doesn't care if the world knows everything about him.
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Kelly Ripa
Also, he's a guy, so he doesn't have to deal with.
- [34:23]
Kate Hudson
That's right.
- [34:23]
Kelly Ripa
A lot of the shit that you would have to deal with.
- [34:26]
Kate Hudson
And he just relies on me to do all of the heavy lifting. So I'll do the edits and. And then the podcast was his idea, and I'm super busy, and I then cut to, like, I'm listening to all the edits, and I'm trying to get things going together, and Oliver's just completely, like, doesn't just, like, cool. No, sounds good. Do you want to hear it? No, no. And then. So. But other than that, honestly, we've been pretty good. I mean, there's times that there are things that happen that, like, actually really get under my skin a little bit. Because if you're doing a podcast about relationships with siblings, with your sibling, there's gonna be moments, especially the memory of particular situations that have been gone down in the past. Oliver will have a memory, and my memory is a completely different memory. And we ended up having this professional. He was a sibling researcher. Really fascinating. But he talked about that. He talked about how we grow up in the same household and have two completely different or three, however many siblings, perspectives on what went down.
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Kelly Ripa
Can you give me an example? Like, can you give me one example? Like a big one?
- [35:55]
Kate Hudson
Like a big one. Like a super big.
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Kelly Ripa
Give me one that you cut from your podcast.
- [36:01]
Kate Hudson
Like, we'll have a completely different memory of our father. Same situation, same scenario, and a totally different memory.
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Kelly Ripa
And let me guess, he's more forgiving or more like seeing the sunny side.
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Kate Hudson
1,000%.
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Kelly Ripa
Yeah. Because men don't read nuance at all. They don't under. Like, it's very funny. And you'll notice this with your daughter. Cause like I said, you have two older sons. Your daughter's what, four now, is she? Four? Okay. So she's gonna pick up on nuanced conversations between you and Danny that your adult sons will not pick up on ever. Because it's such a. And I don't love gender stereotype, but certain things are really, really true. And I can. And I can tell you that my daughter can walk into our room and know if we've been arguing, even if we've made up, and it's. Everything's better. She just can feel it.
- [37:11]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [37:11]
Kelly Ripa
And we could literally have a shouting match in front of the boys, and if they're on Xbox, they didn't even know. They wouldn't notice. The police could come, and they'd be like, the police are here. We don't know why. That's the difference.
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Kate Hudson
That's so funny. That's so true. That's like. Yeah, definitely. I'm in the same scenario, actually. Ronnie did something that I thought was so funny that never happened with the boys. And she's only four, Right. She's obsessed with the Grammys. She thinks that. She thinks that the Grammys is a show that's on, right?
- [37:45]
Kelly Ripa
Yes, on all the time.
- [37:47]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [37:47]
Kelly Ripa
So she. Who's her favorite? Who's her favorite right now.
- [37:49]
Kate Hudson
So she's like, should we watch the Grammys one? No, honey, the Grammys only come on once a year. You know, we're walking down the street and out of nowhere. I mean, like, we couldn't have been talking about more opposite things. She just goes, ugh, I'm obsessed with Harry Styles. And I thought to myself, I'm like, everybody is. Well, yes, but also just because I can have a. She's 4 and she's so way above her years.
- [38:25]
Kelly Ripa
Hey, will you ask her a question for me later on? Will you ask her what she thinks was going on with Ben Affleck, why he looks so unhappy?
- [38:33]
Kate Hudson
She'll probably have an answer.
- [38:37]
Kelly Ripa
What do you think Ronnie will say when you perform at the Grammys?
- [38:42]
Kate Hudson
You just put that in the universe.
- [38:44]
Kelly Ripa
Yes, I did. Yes, I did.
- [38:48]
Kate Hudson
Oh, she'll feel like that's exactly where she's supposed to be.
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Kelly Ripa
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Kate Hudson
Ronnie is a mood. I can't even explain it. Like she is just her whole vibe is like she's so self possessed and.
- [41:45]
Kelly Ripa
It'S amazing, isn't it?
- [41:46]
Kate Hudson
Yeah, it's wild to watch.
- [41:48]
Kelly Ripa
Yeah. It's crazy.
- [41:49]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Kelly Ripa
Do you watch reality tv? I don't know if we talked about this. Are you like a real housewives person?
- [41:55]
Kate Hudson
I'm not a real housewives person. I feel like I would love it.
- [41:59]
Kelly Ripa
You would love it. You'd love all of them. Start with jersey is jerseys.
- [42:03]
Kate Hudson
Your favorite.
- [42:05]
Kelly Ripa
Jersey is the one that you will relate to the most. It is the most like families acting like real families with vendettas and judgments and like, you know, it's a lot of like, it's not superficial family time. You can tell these women are actually cleaning their own toilets in full hair and makeup and then answering the door so they can have a luncheon. You know what I mean? So funny.
- [42:26]
Kate Hudson
I just, I love brainless television.
- [42:29]
Kelly Ripa
I've been reading about, but I haven't seen this show called milf manor, which I think could be like fcc a violation because picture this. This is what the show is about. There are 20 moms in their 50s and they're 20 plus sons, 20 years old plus sons. And the moms date the sons. They all live together in a house which is known as milf manor. And the moms and sons all date each other. Like the moms aren't dating each other. They're dating the other mom's sons and vice versa. But the whole show starts with competing for the best room in milf manor. And how do they win the best room? They blindfold all the moms and all of the sons are standing there shirtless and the moms have to rub their hands all over the sons to figure out which one is their son. What? That's MILF Manor, ladies and gentlemen. The end of society.
- [43:34]
Kate Hudson
This has definitely gone too far. Imagine hearing that, though, in like, a meeting. That's a great idea, being like, oh, my God, yes. And then they'll rub their naked chest of their son.
- [43:46]
Kelly Ripa
If I saw dads rubbing their hands all over girls, I would. I'd be at home calling the police. I'd be like, get to MILF Manor. It's in the Bahamas. Get there now.
- [44:01]
Kate Hudson
Someone get to MILF Manor.
- [44:05]
Kelly Ripa
So here's my question. Your family seems like so much fun. Would you ever have a reality show?
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Kate Hudson
No, never. No.
- [44:16]
Kelly Ripa
One Thanksgiving. That's all I want. And we'll call it. What would we call it?
- [44:21]
Kate Hudson
Holidays with the Hudsons.
- [44:23]
Kelly Ripa
Holidays with the Hudsons.
- [44:24]
Kate Hudson
Hudson Hawn. Russell Fujikawa.
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Kelly Ripa
Well, it's a working title. Picture this. Okay, here we go. It's kind of like Survivor. And at the end, Goldie cuts someone from next year's Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner. Like, she's like, the tribe has spoken. And she throws the turkey at them or whatever. Whatever she would do to get rid of them. And so it's like, you're surviving the holidays, and so the goal is to be the last person standing at the table with just Goldie.
- [44:56]
Kate Hudson
Right. So mom just throws pieces of the turkey at us.
- [44:59]
Kelly Ripa
Yeah, she just, like, that's when you know you're done. You're done in the dinner. So you don't have to answer now. Just think about it. You bring it to your people. And so what's next? What's the next project?
- [45:16]
Kate Hudson
I mean, honestly, I've just been working on my record, thinking about what the release of it would look like.
- [45:22]
Kelly Ripa
And then. Will you go on tour?
- [45:24]
Kate Hudson
I wanna sing.
- [45:25]
Kelly Ripa
Yeah.
- [45:26]
Kate Hudson
I wanna go sing. I don't know what that's gonna look like yet. Like, this isn't like some move for me to switch careers, you know, I just wanna get the record out and have the opportunities to sing for people because I love it.
- [45:38]
Kelly Ripa
Would you ever do a show at the Cafe Carlisle, which is so cool.
- [45:41]
Kate Hudson
You are the second person today to say that.
- [45:44]
Kelly Ripa
Oh, my gosh. So why don't you?
- [45:46]
Kate Hudson
Well, I would love to. I would love to. I mean, I love that venue. It's so cozy and fun, and I feel like that would be a good venue.
- [45:55]
Kelly Ripa
And then season three of your podcast comes out April 10th.
- [45:58]
Kate Hudson
That's right.
- [45:59]
Kelly Ripa
Oh, my gosh. I'm very excited. I don't know. Like I said, the fact that you're still speaking to each other is just a testament to how much your family loves each other.
- [46:08]
Kate Hudson
I love it. I love it.
- [46:09]
Kelly Ripa
Well, thank you for being with us. We really appreciate it. Mwah, mwah, mwah.
- [46:15]
Kate Hudson
Love you.
- [46:15]
Kelly Ripa
Bye. Love you guys. She's the best. The best. The best. She really is. And she's, like, so grounded. She's, I'm telling you, grounded. And like I said, she's one of the few people that I know from my talk show who are. Who I've seen out and about, and we have a mutual friend, and we've had dinners together, and what you see is what you get. There's no fakeness. It's not like a Hollywood facade. She's just a really good, normal, nice girl.
- [46:48]
Kate Hudson
Yeah. I like what she said about, like.
- [46:49]
Kelly Ripa
The haters and let them talk, because.
- [46:51]
Kate Hudson
I don't think a lot of people are that strong. I mean, I think a lot of people would crumble.
- [46:56]
Kelly Ripa
It's tough to learn that her parents were from the top. Yeah. Yeah. They were very influential in all of that. And yes, I'm sure there's drama. I do think that my reality holiday meal idea is a real. It could win Emmys and maybe Peabody awards. I thought of a title after the fact. What's it called? Kate plus eight. Oh, my gosh. Amazing. That's amazing. Hate plus eight. Yes. I mean, we can get that from tlc. They'll let us buy that one thing. Of course. Well, all of you listeners at home, we're a new show in a sea of podcasts. Gosh, there's too many. But we're a really good show, so make sure you tell your friends. Let's talk off camera is available every week on Stitcher, the SXM app, and all major podcast listening platforms. Bye. See you next week, everyone. Let's talk off camera with Kelly Ripa is a co production of Malojo Productions and prx Productions with help from Goat Rodeo. Our theme song is Follow me from apm, Music from Malojo. Our team is Kelly Ripa, Mark Consuelo, speaker, Albert Bianchini, Jan Chalet, Devin Schneider, Michael Halpern, Jacob Small, Roz Therian, Seth Gronquist, and Nick Ribolla from prx Productions. Our team is Kara Schillen, Genevieve Sponsler, Megan Nadolski, Edwin Ochoa, Rebecca Seidel. Additional sound design by Terence Bernardo. The executive executive producer of prx Productions is Jocelyn Gonzalez. This show is powered by Stitcher.
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Kate Hudson
From prx.
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Kelly Ripa
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Kate Hudson
On how to live our lives.
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Kelly Ripa
It's called I need you guys. Should I give my baby fresh vegetables? Can I drink the water at the hospital? My landlord plays the trombone and I can't ask him to stop. You should make sure that you subscribe so that you never miss an episode. I need to go.