All trauma is spiritual trauma. It severs the impulse to reach for wonder, connection, and meaning—the very essence of our soul. In this episode, Dr. Hillary McBride, a leading voice on embodiment and spiritual trauma, redefines how we understand healing. We explore the holes trauma leaves in our souls, why the body is the portal back to our spirituality, and a simple yet profound practice (heart rate sensing) that can unlock your intuition and reconnect you to yourself. This is a conversation about the space between life and death, and the path back to who you really are.

00:00 The Core Wound: Trauma as a Spiritual Severing

03:36 What is the "Space Between" Life and Death?

05:18 The Many Deaths We Live Before We Die

08:19 How Spiritual Trauma is Diagnosed in the Therapy Room

13:19 Defining Spirituality vs. Religion

16:27 Spiritual Trauma: Severing the Drive for Wonder

19:47 Why Spirituality is the Antidote to Trauma

23:28 The Risk of Spiritual Bypassing and a Grounded Path Back

26:09 Rehabilitating Therapy to Heal the Soul

30:34 A Case Study in Spiritual Flourishing

44:20 How to Embody: Interoception and Heart Rate Sensing

51:23 Where to Find Dr. Hillary McBride

LEARN MORE ABOUT HILLARY

· Website: [HillaryLMcBride.com](http://www.hillaryl McBride.com)

· Instagram: @hillaryleanamcbride

· Books: The Wisdom of Your Body, Practices for Embodied Living, Holy Hurt

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