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Marielle Seguera
You're listening to Life Kit from NPR. Hey everybody, it's Marielle Seguera. I keep a to do list on a notepad on my desk and when I looked at it not too long ago, I noticed something. It's kind of all over the place. On a given day it might read make allergist appointment Buy razors Retile kitchen floor Throw out compost Microblading question mark. Microblading, by the way, is something you do to make your eyebrows look fuller. It's like a tattoo that lasts a couple years. I mean, the list is filled with tasks, but some are big and some are small, some are urgent and some are definitely not. Some I'm not even sure should be on there, like the microblading, which I frantically scribbled down after the lady at my eyebrow threading salon asked who messed up my eyebrows so bad?
Angel Trinidad
Hi. Yeah, that was me and a tweezer.
Marielle Seguera
But yeah, I just never felt like I've had a good system for making a to do list and deciding what goes on it. And I don't think I'm alone in that. So on this episode of Life Kit, we are exploring how to make a better to do list because there's a lot we want to do and a well made to do list can help.
Oliver Berkman
When you make a to do list that's aligned intentionally with what you want out of your life, it's really powerful.
Marielle Seguera
We'll teach you how to break down your goals into actionable tasks and to figure out a to do list system that works for you.
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Angel Trinidad
SIPC Evergreen trees are Pacific Northwest icons in journalism. An evergreen story isn't tied to one news cycle. It goes deep and helps you understand the world. The Evergreen is also a podcast from OPB about the Northwest. I'm Jen Chavez. Listen to the Evergreen podcast from OPB every Monday. Part of the NPR so to do lists. They're a tool we use to get stuff done right? And I mean, how good does it feel when you finally cross off that task that's been hanging over your head? But warning to do lists can also become a trap. They can feed our impulse to stay productive at all times. The thing is, we don't want to make a better to do list just so we can indiscriminately accomplish more.
Oliver Berkman
It's about doing what matters.
Angel Trinidad
That's Angel Trinidad, the CEO and founder of Passion Planner, a company that makes digital and paper planners that show people how to break down their goals into day to day actions. You can access a free version of the Planner on their website. So takeaway number one in making a better to do list. As angel was saying, decide what matters to you in this moment. Because wouldn't it be great to fill our to do lists with intention so the stuff on them is actually helping us get somewhere? One way to do this is to come up with a big picture goal, something that's especially important to you right now. Something that would make a big impact in your life. Angel calls It a game changer.
Oliver Berkman
What is that one thing that would make everything easier, better, and that answer is different for everyone.
Angel Trinidad
To come up with that goal, ask yourself some questions.
Oliver Berkman
What do I want to be? What do I want to experience? And what do I want to have?
Angel Trinidad
Maybe you want to be more present in your physical body. If so, your goal could be to run a 5K. Or maybe you want to give back to your community. So your goal is to volunteer once a week. Or you want to become a doctor. So your goal Take the MCAT now. Sometimes you don't choose the goal. Life hands it to you.
Oliver Berkman
Like sometimes your parent is sick or sometimes your dog is sick, or maybe you need to find a job or else you're not going to eat.
Angel Trinidad
And that might be your reality for now. Whatever it is, once you have a goal, you'll break it down into actionable steps and deadlines to put on your to do list and we'll get to that. First though, I want to acknowledge this goal making approach might feel kind of top down, like maybe you don't have a big picture goal in mind yet, and that's okay. Oliver Berkman is a journalist and author. He wrote the book 4000 Time Management for Mortals. That's how many weeks are in the average human life, by the way. And he says another option is to let your current to do list guide you.
James Hollis
There are various exercises out there. Like you might know the one that involves asking why five times in succession.
Angel Trinidad
For instance, my to do list says retile kitchen floor. Oliver says I could work backwards from there.
James Hollis
So like I want to retile my floor. Why? To make that room look better.
Angel Trinidad
Why?
James Hollis
And you know, eventually you hopefully get to something that feels like a bedrock value of your life. And if you don't, maybe that's a sign that it's a kind of a zombie project that could be easily abandoned.
Angel Trinidad
Another tip from Oliver, look at the stuff that's filling your to do list at the moment and ask do these.
James Hollis
Choices enlarge me or diminish me?
Angel Trinidad
He says this question comes from the psychotherapist James Hollis, and he finds it really clarifying and more useful than asking something like, is this making me happy?
James Hollis
You know, lots of life is not so happy, but can be really meaningful and plenty of pleasures are kind of shallow and pointless and you don't want to fill up your life with them.
Angel Trinidad
But does this enlarge me? Well, let's use work as an example. Maybe your job right now is hard, but is it the kind of hard that's helping you grow as a person and develop skills. Or is it the pointless kind of hard? If it's the latter, maybe it's time to add Update resume and pick three jobs to apply to to your to do list. Once you have a sense of your priorities and your goals, it's time for takeaway.
Marielle Seguera
2.
Angel Trinidad
Pick a system, A way of making a to do list that works for you One question to get you started. Paper or digital? Angel says some people like paper to do lists because they're concrete and tactile.
Oliver Berkman
And what I also love about to do lists on paper is when you cross it off, there's nothing like it.
Angel Trinidad
Also, paper comes to an end when.
Oliver Berkman
You put it digitally. There's no end. You can keep going. And I think that's when to do lists get really overwhelming. It's kind of like a cluttered room. When it's too much, then you just avoid it completely.
Angel Trinidad
Digital has its pluses though. If you make a to do list on your phone, it's searchable and quite possibly more organized. If you do choose digital, there are lots of websites and apps you can try. Some are built into your phone, some you can download. Folks on the Life Kit team have used the free versions of Todoist, Notion, Asana, and Trello. Another question to ask yourself how do you want to structure your to do list? Some people prefer a kind of calendar approach with the hours of the day listed.
Oliver Berkman
I like to time block on my agenda and it's literally making a square of time for the task.
Angel Trinidad
So you know, Thursday from 2pm to 6pm I'll be working on my novel. Wednesday from 7 to 8pm I'll be at soccer practice. Friday from 5 to 5:30 I'll be cleaning my apartment. This method is called time boxing and it can be a good way to understand how much you can realistically tackle in a day. Since you're visually blocking off time for each of your to dos.
Oliver Berkman
That kind of awareness gets you thinking, Am I spending my time in a way that makes sense for me and what my intention is for my life?
Angel Trinidad
But again, this is about finding a system that works for you. For Oliver, trying to plan this way feels too rigid.
James Hollis
I've never really found it works to make a very rigorous association between a task and the time of day. Because my moods, my responsibilities as a parent, random emergencies that arise. You just can't sort of say I'm absolutely going to be doing this thing between 3 and 3:40. You have to with appointments and things, but if you try and do it with everything very quickly. It feels imprisoning. It feels like life isn't any fun anymore, even if you're working on things that matter.
Angel Trinidad
So another option is a straight up list of tasks. Call me old fashioned, but that's what I'm sticking with. Remember, by the way, whatever you pick, it's just a starting point.
James Hollis
An important thing here is to feel like your systems for organizing your life can evolve constantly.
Angel Trinidad
Now, once you have a system in mind, takeaway three. It's time to fill your list. Let's start with an acknowledgment. There are some things you just have to get done. The tasks of daily living. Refill that prescription. Buy groceries. Get more toilet paper. Those tasks can go on your to do list, but they don't necessarily have to.
Oliver Berkman
There's this thing within the productivity world called the two minute rule, and it's if it takes less than two minutes, just do it right then and there. You know, it's not worth spending the bandwidth to write it down. Hopefully remember it. Hopefully do it.
Angel Trinidad
You could also consider automating some of these things so they never make the to do list at all. Like maybe you have toilet paper delivered to your house once a month. You're going to need it. Okay, so we're meeting our daily needs now. We want to reflect our bigger goals on our to do list. Like maybe one of mine is to redecorate my apartment. The thing is, and this is what trips a lot of people up, that's not a to do list item.
James Hollis
So often things hang around on our to do lists and we don't get them done because we're not even expressing them in a doable form.
Angel Trinidad
Let's break this down. Which parts of the apartment do I want to redecorate? Well, definitely the kitchen. I want to replace the tile floor. Still not actionable enough. We're going to have to go even smaller. Call the hardware store for an estimate. Now that's doable. Go look at tile. That's doable. Order the tile. Also doable. These are the kind of things to put on your list or in your planner. Oliver says you also might consider limiting your to do list to four or five doable tasks at a time.
James Hollis
And you're not going to add a new one to that list until you've moved one away, thereby freeing up a.
Angel Trinidad
Slot that can help you stay focused because you can't do everything at once. And that's takeaway. 4. Pick something to let go. In his book, Oliver talks about the Art of creative neglect. He borrowed that phrasing from graphic novelist and creativity coach Jessica Abel.
James Hollis
You're going to be not excelling on a whole load of dimensions. If you're going to be like a really good parent and a really good employee, then you're probably not going to be able to be a really good, I don't know, runner of triathlons or something. There's a million examples.
Angel Trinidad
We really can't do it all, at least not simultaneously. So as you're making your to do list with your big picture goals in mind, pick something to fail at too.
James Hollis
To say, well, okay, instead of constantly being dismayed when I realize that I'm not superhuman, I'm going to make a decision about a few things in advance that for this season of my life, I'm just not going to be doing so. Like, you know what? I'm not going to be keeping a tidy, beautiful house while dealing with a newborn baby and working full time. You know?
Angel Trinidad
And he says when you choose what to fail at ahead of time, you're really changing your mindset. Because months from now, when you see your messy house, maybe it won't actually feel like you're failing. Instead, you could see it as a reminder of your values in this moment and what you've committed to. Okay, time for a recap takeaway. 1. Figure out what matters to you. What are your priorities at this moment? Do you have a big goal or project in mind? Pick a to do list system, paper or digital, Hour by hour, or a simple list of tasks the system can change. This is just a starting point takeaway. 3. Fill your list with the tasks of daily living, but also with steps toward your big picture goals. Pick something to fail at. You don't have to do everything all at once, and you definitely don't have to do it all well. Also, remember that to do lists exist to serve us. We don't answer to them. So if your to do list is making you feel bad about yourself or your life, crumple it up, throw it out, and start over again when you're ready.
James Hollis
I think that a lot of us seem to go through life feeling like we're in sort of productivity debt. You know, we've got to work really hard today to try to pay off the debt by the end of the day.
Angel Trinidad
But remember, Oliver says there's nothing you need to do to earn your right to exist. Before we go, an editorial note, we want to let you know that Angel Trinidad, the founder and CEO of Passion Plan and Life Kit, reporter, producer Andy Tagle have been friends since college, but we asked angel to share their experience with us not because of this personal relationship, but because four other Life Kit staffers independently discovered Passion Planner and found.
Marielle Seguera
It to be a really useful tool.
Angel Trinidad
To help them manage their time.
Marielle Seguera
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Life Kit Podcast Summary Episode: "7 Tiny Hacks That Can Improve Your To-Do List" Release Date: December 16, 2024
Introduction: The Challenge of To-Do Lists In this episode of Life Kit, host Marielle Seguera delves into the common struggle of managing to-do lists. Reflecting on her own chaotic notepad filled with varied tasks—from making appointments to personal grooming decisions—Marielle sets the stage for a discussion on creating more effective and meaningful to-do lists.
1. Aligning To-Do Lists with Personal Goals Angel Trinidad, CEO and founder of Passion Planner, emphasizes the importance of intentionality in to-do lists. She explains that a well-crafted list isn't just a collection of tasks but a roadmap aligned with one's broader life goals.
2. Determining What Matters Most The first hack focuses on identifying and prioritizing what truly matters at any given moment. Angel suggests determining a "big picture goal" that can significantly impact one’s life, referring to this as a "game changer."
Process to Identify Goals:
Example Goals:
Notable Quote:
“What is that one thing that would make everything easier, better, and that answer is different for everyone.”
— Oliver Berkman [05:17]
3. Choosing the Right To-Do List System Selecting a system that resonates personally is crucial. The episode explores the pros and cons of paper versus digital to-do lists.
Paper To-Do Lists:
Digital To-Do Lists:
Notable Quote:
“Digital has its pluses though. If you make a to do list on your phone, it's searchable and quite possibly more organized.”
— Angel Trinidad [08:21]
4. Structuring Your To-Do List The structure of your list can significantly impact productivity. Two primary methods are discussed:
Time Boxing:
Allocating specific time blocks for tasks (e.g., “Thursday from 2pm to 6pm I'll be working on my novel.”)
Benefit: Helps visualize daily capacity and prevent overloading.
Notable Quote:
“That kind of awareness gets you thinking, Am I spending my time in a way that makes sense for me and what my intention is for my life?”
— Oliver Berkman [09:20]
Flexible Task Lists:
Simple enumeration of tasks without strict time constraints.
Advantages: Adaptability to changing moods and unexpected events.
Notable Quote:
“An important thing here is to feel like your systems for organizing your life can evolve constantly.”
— James Hollis [10:17]
5. Filling Your To-Do List Effectively Balancing daily necessities with steps toward larger goals is essential.
Daily Tasks vs. Big Goals:
The Two-Minute Rule:
Limiting Tasks:
Notable Quote:
“The system can change. This is just a starting point.”
— Angel Trinidad [10:10]
6. Letting Go: The Art of Creative Neglect Acknowledging that it's impossible to excel in every area at once is vital for maintaining a balanced and effective to-do list.
Choosing What to Let Go:
Identify tasks that don’t align with current priorities and consciously decide not to pursue them.
Benefits: Reduces stress, prevents burnout, and focuses energy on meaningful activities.
Notable Quote:
“When you choose what to fail at ahead of time, you're really changing your mindset.”
— Angel Trinidad [12:32]
James Hollis on Letting Go:
“Instead of constantly being dismayed when I realize that I'm not superhuman, I'm going to make a decision about a few things in advance that for this season of my life, I'm just not going to be doing.”
— James Hollis [12:14]
7. Recap and Final Takeaways Marielle Seguera summarizes the key points discussed:
Figure Out What Matters:
Choose a To-Do List System:
Fill Your List Wisely:
Let Go of Non-Essential Tasks:
Encouragement:
Final Quote:
“There's nothing you need to do to earn your right to exist.”
— Oliver Berkman [14:23]
Conclusion This episode of Life Kit offers a comprehensive guide to transforming your to-do list from a mere task holder into a powerful tool for personal growth and goal achievement. By aligning your to-do list with your values, choosing the right system, structuring effectively, and knowing when to let go, you can enhance productivity while maintaining a balanced and fulfilling life.
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