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Episode Title: How to get better at staying off your phone
Host: Marielle Segarra
Date: March 10, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode addresses the universal challenge of reducing screen time and reclaiming control from smartphones. Host Marielle Segarra, alongside several experts, explores five actionable strategies to help listeners become more intentional with their phone use. The guidance is practical, science-backed, and seeks to improve not just digital habits but overall well-being and connection to the world.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tune Into Your Feelings

[02:06 - 03:39]

• The first step to reducing screen time is to notice how using your phone makes you feel—mentally and physically.
  • Track not only when you reach for your phone, but also the underlying emotion.
• Sami Nichols ("Log Off: Self Help for the Extremely Online") encourages mindful observation of digital habits:
  • “When you’re prompted to really think about it, be mindful about how you’re feeling. That’s where the gold is, really, because the only thing you need to do… is to pay attention to how you’re feeling on social media. And when you feel bad, log off.” – Sami Nichols [02:37]
• Instead of scrolling, respond to negative emotions with activities that truly nourish you—like resting, connecting in-person, or another fulfilling action.

Urge Surfing

• Diana Hill, clinical psychologist, introduces the concept of "urge surfing," an addiction science strategy:
  • “What we know about urges is that they’re a lot like waves. They rise up, they get bigger and bigger and bigger, and they come back down again.” – Diana Hill [03:39]
  • The practice: notice the urge, 'ride' it out without acting, and it will pass.
  • “The more you do it, the less you feel the feeling of ‘I have to give in to the urge or it will kill me.’” – Diana Hill [04:20]

2. Increase the Friction

[04:30 - 07:50]

• Making it harder to mindlessly pick up your phone can break the habit.
  • “If you can get rid of ability or make it super hard to do or impossible, then the habit stops.” – BJ Fogg (Behavioral Scientist) [04:43]
  • Examples: disabling non-essential notifications, making the screen black-and-white, simplifying your home screen, uninstalling social media apps.
• Consider switching to a "dumb phone" or less feature-rich device to curb temptation.
  • Jose Briones, author and digital minimalist, shares his experience:
    • “Since I switched to simpler phones, I’ve been able to recover a lot of those habits that I used to have… Reading books, better sleep, exercising, walking.” – Jose Briones [13:52]
• Other tools:
  • Give someone else your screen time passcode to prevent bypassing app restrictions. [06:42]
  • Use software (Clearspace, Onesec) or hardware blockers (e.g., the “brick” puck).
    • “The more friction you introduce into your life, the harder you’re making it to use all of these services and devices. Your brain is going to say it’s not worth it.” – Jose Briones [07:20]

3. Take Devices Out of the Bedroom

[07:50 - 09:25]

• Charge your devices outside of your bedroom to improve sleep and reduce mindless usage.
  • Gene Twenge, psychologist:
    • “People do not sleep as well or as long if those devices are in their bedrooms overnight.” – Gene Twenge [08:18]
  • Substitute with a traditional alarm clock for wake-ups.
• Sami Nichols reflects on the benefit:
  • “It just feels so nice to… have this time to yourself and just feel very calm. That’s what I felt when I put my phone outside of my room… It really does improve your sleep.” – Sami Nichols [08:45]
• For emergencies, keep the phone out of immediate reach with the ringer on, but not next to your bed. [09:25]

4. Prepare for Pushback & Set Boundaries

[10:24 - 12:42]

• Reducing availability may lead to feelings of guilt or pressure from others.
  • Communicate changes clearly with friends, family, and colleagues.
    • “You have to create that boundary with yourself, with your employer, with your family. And you also have to advocate for yourself.” – Jose Briones [10:50]
• Social media overstates the number of meaningful relationships we can sustain.
  • Sami Nichols:
    • “Social media makes us think that we’re supposed to have countless close friends. But relationships take time… Rolling back your social media use helps you see which relationships are for the long haul.” – Sami Nichols [11:23]
• When you are more present offline, that presence often becomes contagious.
  • “When you’re more present around other people and not…checking your phone constantly, they end up being more present too. It feels really good to be present with somebody.” – Sami Nichols [12:19]

5. Reclaim & Reimagine Your Time

[12:42 - 15:14]

• Channels the time previously spent on screens into more meaningful activities.
  • Oliver Burkeman (“4,000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals”):
    • “When you get to the end of your life, the sum total of all the things you paid attention to will have been your life… So it really matters what we’re paying attention to because it just is. It just adds up to a life.” – Oliver Burkeman [12:53]
  • Use new free time for movement, creativity, or gathering with friends.
• Priya Parker (“The Art of Gathering”) reminds us:
  • “The best way to get a seat at the table is to host the table… Everybody’s longing for community… When’s the last time you’ve hosted something?” – Priya Parker [14:38]
• Sami Nichols describes the liberation of reducing screen time:
  • “On the other side, you kind of get this period of, like, almost reclaiming your life… Oh, my God, I can do anything I want with my time… I forgot that I’M an adult who can do whatever I want.” – Sami Nichols [14:56]

Timestamp Highlights

• [02:06] — Step One: Tune into how being online makes you feel
• [03:39] — “Urge surfing” method for resisting compulsive phone use
• [04:30] — Habit-breaking via increasing friction (BJ Fogg)
• [07:50] — Make your bedroom a phone-free sanctuary (Gene Twenge, Sami Nichols)
• [10:24] — Prepping for social pushback; honest communication about boundaries
• [12:53] — Where your attention goes, your life follows (Oliver Burkeman)
• [14:38] — Use regained time for true connection and community (Priya Parker)

Notable Quotes

• “The only thing that you need to do… is to pay attention to how you’re feeling on social media. And when you feel bad, log off.”
  — Sami Nichols [02:37]
• “Urges are a lot like waves — they rise up, they get bigger, and they come back down again. You don’t have to give in to them.”
  — Diana Hill [03:39]
• “If you can get rid of ability or make it super hard to do… then the habit stops.”
  — BJ Fogg [04:43]
• “Having the phone outside of your bedroom makes that time around your bedtime feel just like, like a sanctuary… it really does improve your sleep.”
  — Sami Nichols [08:45]
• “Social media makes us think…we’re supposed to have countless close friends... But if the relationship is meant to stay, it will.”
  — Sami Nichols [11:23]
• “When you get to the end of your life, the sum total of all the things you paid attention to will have been your life.”
  — Oliver Burkeman [12:53]
• “On the other side, you get this period of, like, almost reclaiming your life…I can do anything I want with my time.”
  — Sami Nichols [14:56]

Recap of Takeaways [15:14]

1. Tune in to your feelings and urges.
2. Increase friction; put obstacles between you and your phone.
3. Keep devices out of your bedroom, especially at night.
4. Prepare for social pushback; communicate boundaries.
5. Refocus your reclaimed time on what really matters.

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