B (3:07)

Rachel is uniquely qualified to teach us about the pleasures of letter writing, because a few years ago during the pandemic, she was looking for a way to spend less time on screens and more time connecting with people. So she went on social media, I know, ironic. And said, basically, does anyone want to be my pen pal?

C (3:24)

I got like, 300 responses. And I realized, oh, my gosh, I can't possibly write a letter to all these people, but there's some kind of need here or desire. So I have to find a way to connect all these people to one another so they can get writing to each other.

B (3:38)

Rachel started a program called Pen Palooza, which now has 10,000 members from more than 75 countries. And she met some of her best friends this way. So today on Life Kit, how to write letters to your friends, your family, that person who changed your life, your lovers, and even strangers. We'll give you some writing prompts, talk about stationery and embellishments, and how to use this practice as a creative opportunity.

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B (5:24)

Let's say I'm curious.

C (5:25)

Yep, you're letter curious.

B (5:27)

I'm letter curious.

C (5:27)

Correspondence curious.

B (5:29)

I'm thinking about sending my first letter.

C (5:31)

Yep.

B (5:32)

What language do you use when you are trying to. I'm not even gonna say level up. I'm gonna say go down this other avenue with a friend and you wanna start writing letters to them. What do you actually say?

C (5:43)

I mean, in this day and age, I think you have to sort of couch it in a little bit of like a silliness. So you have to say something along the lines of, I just got the most beautiful stationery and I've been dying to use it and write a letter to somebody. Would it be interesting to you if I wrote to you? Or, you know, say I'm interested in writing more? I'm trying to get more intentional about my writing. I think one way to really sell it to people is say I'm trying to get off the Internet. I'm trying to do less being on my Instagram at 2 in the morning and instead hanging out with my fountain pen and do more sort of purposeful, slow communication with the people that I care about. I'm making an active effort to do it and I would love you to be the recipient of this attention.

B (6:31)

You can also write to strangers, right? How might you find strangers to write to?

C (6:35)

So social media is probably, I mean, I hate to say go there because I'm trying to tell everybody to get off of there in order to write letters, but I think to find somebody to write a letter to, it's a great place. If there's anyone that's sort of like you're mutual on Instagram or you know that you've been following for a while and they've been following you, you can always try to write them a direct message and say like, hey, I'd love to write you a letter. I'm doing again, I'm doing this thing where I have beautiful stationery and I'm trying to write letters to people, you'd be surprised how far that sort of approach will take you. There's also other pen pal exchanges online that you can find. There's a great site that's been around since I think the 90s called postcrossing, which I love, which is, allows you to send postcards to anyone in the world. And you can, you know, you'll get a bunch of people to send postcards to, but you can always include your return address and say like, I'd love to keep this exchange going. I often, yeah, there's, there's great websites where you can write letters to prisoners you can write letters to. You know, you could do join a mentorship program where you're, you know, if you're an older woman writer, there are younger women who want to become writers and need mentors. And often those relationships are based in correspondence or in epistolary communication. I feel like it's kind of like a law of attraction thing. It's like once I started writing letters, I found a lot more people to write letters to. It just became so, like, part of my life.

B (8:06)

Okay, takeaway one. If you want to receive letters, start writing letters. You can reach out to friends and family. Ask if anyone's interested in getting a letter from you. You could also send a letter to someone who made a difference in your life. Your third grade teacher or that person who showed you kindness in a moment. You really needed it. And if you want to write to strangers, there are programs you can sign up for. Or you could send some fan mail. Rachel talks about that in the book, too. Write to an author. Tell them how a certain passage in their book has woven its way into your soul. How you felt alone in the world until someone else put your exact feeling into words. That kind of thing means a lot to people. Okay, let's move into the very tactile part of this. Choosing your paper.

C (8:52)

Yep. Very personal.

B (8:54)

Yeah. How do you start to decide, first of all, like, are you handwriting or using a typewriter or even printing off the computer? And then what paper are you gonna use?

C (9:04)

Well, I think you should do whatever you want. It's a free for all, really. But I write my letters by hand. For the most part, though. I have carpal tunnel now from doing such a thing. And, I mean, I have a really beautiful fountain pen that I use that's very smooth writer, and doesn't require much of my wrist strength. But whatever way you choose to actually get the words on the page, totally up to you. If you do want to go down the rabbit hole of handwriting and pens and fountain pens and calligraphy and ballpoint pens and know, going to the pen store and going nuts, I mean, you can go so far down that rabbit hole. It's endless. And very addictive in terms of paper. I mean, again, so personal. I have sort of so many different types of stationery at this point that I change my mind every single day. Sometimes it's, you know, a beautiful piece of Florentine stationery. Um, some days it's a note card, some days it's a postcard, some days it's vintage hotel stationery, some days it's onion skin paper. Because I love the way that that feels. Some days it's this pink notepads that I write on because I learned that Jacqueline Suzanne, who wrote value the dolls, always wrote on pink notepads. And for some reason, I just, like, had an instant craving for pink note, like, legal paper, and then ordered, like a hundred of them. A lot of people I know, you know, collage their letters do watercolor, so sort of create their own stationery. I mean, I have people who I know who have personalized letterhead. I have other people that will write on found paper napkins, the back of other things, you know, recycled other printouts from work. It really is so open that there are no rules.

B (10:47)

Mm. I'm opening up to the page where you give writing prompts.

C (10:53)

Oh, yeah.

B (10:53)

Because I think it could be hard if you're just writing a letter for the first time, unless it's to congratulate someone on something or whatever when you. Or thank them, to know what to say, like, if.

C (11:03)

Right. This whole book is one big writing prompt is how I saw it, basically.

B (11:06)

Yeah.

C (11:07)

Yeah.

B (11:08)

But then specifically, you have some that I like. I'm just gonna read a few of them.

C (11:14)

Sure.

B (11:15)

Write a series of letters while sitting on public benches at the park. Describe the people who walk past inside a museum. Describe the art you see while sitting down outside a coffee shop. Describe the dogs that trot by. I mean, it sounds like description is a great way to go. Like.

C (11:31)

Yeah. I mean, I think that literally, if you don't know what to write about, write about what you did that day. I mean, I think I start the book with a section that's called how to write about the Weather. Because a lot of people begin their letters with what's going on in the weather and they apologize for it. They go like, I'm so sorry I'm boring you because I'm talking about how it snowed today. And my contention is that there's. There's like a. Can be a great thrill in writing about the seasons and the weather and detail and sensual experience and the way you move through the world. And a lot of people don't do that.

B (12:08)

Write a detailed account of the last time you got food poisoning. Do you know what the culprit was? Did you have that sinking feeling that eating three day old shrimp was a terrible idea? Go into the gory timeline. Oh, yeah.

C (12:22)

It's very generative. Everybody remembers.

B (12:24)

And they.

C (12:25)

They will never eat that thing again, whatever it was.

B (12:31)

We'll have more life kit after the break.

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B (14:10)

You do have a section in here about how to write a love letter, and that is something that often involves imagination. As you note, like if you were here, I would do this to you. That's like a pretty classic formula for sexting. So with love letters, any particular tips you want to share?

C (14:30)

I think that you know a love letter first of all, you can write a love letter to anyone in your life, not just somebody that you're in a romantic relationship with. I think what it has to be about is an act of noticing, an act of sharing certain specific details about the person. I think that the most well received love letters, and the ones that really stick with people, are just memories and specifics and a sense of what you really the small details about this person that you've noticed that only somebody that loves them would notice. And cataloging those. Often love letters contain poetry, often they'll contain waxing about your future or what you hope that will look like. And sometimes it's about the past. It's odic. You have to think of yourself as a poet a little bit like what am I singing a song of about this person? And sometimes it can be like the smallest things that you Notice, you know, it can be like a freckle. It can be a day that you were together and they said something and it's always stuck with you. And you can again write these kinds of letters to anyone in your life that has had great meaning.

B (15:47)

That's beautiful.

C (15:48)

Oh, thanks.

B (15:53)

Takeaway 2. Get so creative with this. A letter can be about anything you want. Some more prompts from the book. Make your own Mad Libs. Take Polaroids of your life for a week and drop them in an envelope with a message on the back of each one. And draw a map of a stroll you often take through your neighborhood with pinpoints and descriptions of your favorite memories at each spot. Okay. You also have an idea in here to mail recipes.

C (16:24)

Love mailing recipes.

B (16:25)

Yeah. What is so magical about that?

C (16:27)

I think it's like we're going back to this sort of hand honed tradition, a thing that was passed down through generations. As much as I love, like, I love recipe books, I love family recipe books. So if you have your own recipes that you can pass along. I think of letters in many ways as creating an archive. And what's funny is, like, you can't really see the archive you're creating unless you get together with the person you wrote letters to and said, like, let's pair our letters and they'll be in one archive forever. Although in the book, I encourage people to take pictures of the letters you're sending so you have copies of what you've done in case you ever want your side of the correspondence. But you are creating an archive of your work out there somewhere in the world. And I think recipes are the product of, you know, trial, error, generational secrets passed down. And so sending it along to somebody else, it's like very intimate too.

B (17:20)

Okay, let's talk about embellishments.

C (17:21)

Sure.

B (17:22)

We want to give our letter a little pizzazz.

C (17:24)

Yep.

B (17:25)

What would you say are the do's and don'ts here?

C (17:27)

I think that letters are one of these places where you can really express unbridled creativity. I mean, in terms of like, what we'll actually get through the postal system. I mean, there's a lot of sort of if you glue a bunch of stuff on googly eyes and you know that it won't make it at least through the traditional mail system. So there's, you know, flat things you can mail, ways you can embellish with collage and stickers and how to make mail art. I mean, I'm obsessed with mail art. Mail art was kind of an art movement that really Had a sort of a heyday in the 60s and 70s, which was where a lot of artists were actually expressing themselves by making really ornate envelopes and seeing what they could move through the mail system. But it's still going strong. There's TikToks devoted to it, there's Instagrams, there's tutorials and YouTube devoted to mail art. How to make something look really beautiful, ornate, lots of interesting sort of origami type envelope folds. Lots of ways you can sort of add ephemera to both the outside and the inside of your envelope. I mean, I think letters are a great opportunity to mail anything flat that excites you.

B (18:39)

Takeaway 3. Embellish the heck out of this thing. You gotta put some stickers in there and then include some tiny flat treasures like pre wrapped tea bags, ticket stubs, ornate wine labels, vintage photographs, iron on patches and dried flowers. Just make sure your recipient isn't allergic first. So if you get into writing letters, I could see that things might just fade away sometimes. Like you might fall out of the habit or maybe somebody stops answering you back. Or like, what are some of the common letter writing or like correspondence snags that people hit?

C (19:19)

Well, I think people become quickly overwhelmed because it's not something that they're used to. Right. So it seems really novel and fun when you first get a letter and then you go, oh my God, I have to reply to this. It's a muscle like any other thing that can be worked out. But you know, so I think that, that I think starting small is, is really, really good and really healthy. I think that if you don't feel prepared to write a big long letter to somebody, send a postcard. I also think that a short letter is better than no letter in so much as you might think, oh gosh, if I don't have the time to respond to this in such a major way, I'm going to be doing this person a disservice. But the truth is they just want to keep the volley in the air. And so often if somebody sends me a really long letter and I don't have the bandwidth, I'll send a postcard or I'll send an interim kind of short letter. Being like, loved your letter, it moved me. I'm gonna get back to you soon. But in the meantime, here's a silly, you know, vintage hotel thing. So there's, I think you can hit snags of being so overwhelmed that you just stop. And I think maybe the idea is just to keep the ball in the air. Is really useful. I think also just sometimes correspondences run their course. I think that I have several people that I started writing to at the beginning of this project, for example, that I'm still writing to, but some people have fallen away, or some people, our relationship has changed. It started as an epistolary friendship, and then we got really close writing letters and then started texting and calling. And that's more of our friendship now than letters. And we constantly say, like, we gotta get back to writing letters, you know, But I think they can change. And honestly, if something like this fizzles out, it's okay. It's okay. I think in general, you should practice kind of like radical kindness in this letter writing game. Because the truth is, it's really. It's a hobby. It's something that people should be doing for fun, for connection, for delight. If it's not delighting you, then why do it?

B (21:12)

Okay, so takeaway 4. Be gentle with yourself and other people. Letter writing is a hobby, after all, and it should be be something you're both enjoying. If not, let this correspondence fizzle pair up with somebody else. You know, There are about 8 billion people in the world. Okay, you have a page in the book about signature sign offs. Yeah. My favorite from Zora Neale Hurston in a letter to. Is it Elaine Locke or Alan Locke?

C (21:47)

La la. I don't know, it's French. Forgive me, French speakers.

B (21:54)

Okay, so in a letter from Zora Neale Hurston, she says, so long, old cabbage. I just freaking love that.

C (22:02)

I love that too. I mean, I think in France, you know, people call each other little cabbage monchu or whatever for as. It's sort of like term of endearment. But yeah, I think it's cute. I think you should. Everybody should come up with their own signature sign off. I think that's a really. That's a great eccentricity to have.

B (22:19)

Will you tell me yours?

C (22:22)

Yeah, I mean, I have different ones that I use for different people. I often call people kids. So I'll say, you know, until the next letter, kid. Right back, kid. I also say, see you in the mailbox.

B (22:37)

See you in the mailbox.

C (22:38)

Yeah.

B (22:39)

That's cute.

C (22:41)

It's cute.

D (22:42)

Love to be cute.

B (22:47)

Okay, our final takeaway is come up with a signature sign off. One that is uniquely and unmistakably yours. Here are some that I'm workshopping. So long, sweet pea. Bye bye, cutie pie. See you in my dreams, darlin'. Catch you on the astral plane. Y asta luego. Wapo. Okay, Rachel, thank you so much.

C (23:08)

Thank you. I hope people write letters and find joy in this practice.

B (23:14)

Okay, letter writers, it is time for a recap. Takeaway 1 if you want to get letters, start writing. Letters reach out to friends and family, to old acquaintances, and even to strangers. Takeaway 2 if you don't know what to say, start with a writing prompt. We've shared some here and you can find more in Rachel's book and also online. Takeaway 3 Embellish. Give that letter some pizzazz. Takeaway 4 Letter writing is a hobby. Do not turn it into work. Have fun with it and go with the flow. And Takeaway five Come up with a signature sign off to rival Zora Neale Hurston's very cheeky so Long Old Cabbage. Okay, that's our show. Before we go, I have a question. Would you mind rating and reviewing Life Kit in your podcast app? You could tell us a favorite tip that you've learned, or you could tell us about what kinds of episodes you like the best. We love hearing from you and it would help us out a lot. This episode of Life Kit was produced by Sam Yellowhorse Kessler. Our digital editor is Malika Garib and our Visuals editor is CJ Riculan. Meghan Cain is our senior Supervising Editor and Beth Donovan is our Executive producer. Our production team also includes Andy Tegel, Claire Marie Schneider, Sylvie Douglas, and Mika Ellison. Engineering support comes from Becky Brown. I'm Mariel Segada. Thanks for listening.

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