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Mariel Segarra
You're listening to Life Kit from npr. Hey, it's Marielle. You ever scroll through Pinterest or Instagram and see an AI generated image of some super cozy room? You know, the one with a wraparound couch that could fit an entire football team and the roaring fireplace and the floor to ceiling glass walls that reveal a view of the snowy mountains just beyond. This is a fantasy. You don't have a fireplace. You don't live next to a mountain. You actually live in a 700 square foot apartment or something like that. Now, this doesn't mean you can't love your home, the one you currently live in. But Vern Yip, who's an architectural and interior designer, says getting there is not about picking the trendiest paint color or renovating the whole place all at once.
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Vern Yip
I mean, design for me is a real tool to maximize the quality of your life, to ensure that the surroundings that you spend the most time in really make you feel the way that you want to feel.
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Mariel Segarra
Verne hosts a design show called Home Reimagined. You may also know him from his time on Trading Spaces. And he just published a book called Color Pattern Texture, because those are the power tools designers use to create meaningful spaces. But what's meaningful? That depends on who you are.
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Vern Yip
I think I use the example in the book of growing up in a very sort of traditional Chinese household. My parents fled China during the Cultural Revolution, which was when communism came into China. And they were able to only take a handful of things with them. And I grew up in a very humble household. My parents worked really, really hard and gave up a lot to come to this country, but they surrounded us with the things that they were able to take out, beautiful paintings that unfortunately they had to fold in order to get them out. And so they, they had creases in them.
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Mariel Segarra
Now, in the home he shares with his husband and kids, Verne surrounds himself with images and patterns that remind him of his culture, his foundation and his upbringing.
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Vern Yip
And I love that I still have it in my household as I'm raising my children. And my children are now adding another layer of meaning on top of mine.
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Mariel Segarra
And you can be inspired by anything, not just your family history or cultural background. Verne once saved the wrapper from a bar of chocolate and used that as inspiration.
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Vern Yip
It just had like the coolest depiction of a polar bear in the forest. And there was something about the style of how it was drawn that, you know, really resonated with me.
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Mariel Segarra
On this episode of Life Kit, how to reimagine and spruce up the spaces in your home so they feel like you and whoever else you live with. We'll talk about where to find inspiration, how to compromise, how to settle on a paint color, and how to decorate on a budget. That's after the break.
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Mariel Segarra
You share a step by step process in the book. It's a sort of game plan for decorating your place. And the first thing on that list is to figure out what you want a particular space, say, your living room to be, what you're hoping to use it for, and also what emotions you want to feel when you're in there. Why start there?
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Vern Yip
I think that that's really important because not everybody wants the same thing. And it's important to really be honest with yourself about not only how you want your space to feel aesthetically, but how you want it to work functionally. A lot of people say, hey, I want my dining room to be the center of lively conversation and for people to to spend hours there just comfortably conversing with each other. But somebody else might say, hey, you know, I prefer my dining room to be really calming and low key.
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Mariel Segarra
Yeah. I mean, you might be someone who's like, I don't like inviting people over. What I want is for that space to be a solo space, or I want to feel really relaxed and like, watch my Netflix movies there.
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Vern Yip
Absolutely. Or you might think that everybody wants a calming, relaxing bedroom. Somebody might say, hey, you know, it's the only time I get any time to myself when I'm in there. I want to be stimulated. I want to be excited about what I'm seeing. You know, I want it to be perfectly, selfishly me. Because so many of our common spaces, like our living rooms, our family rooms, I encourage people to really design with everybody who's important and involved and going to be using that space. But, you know, those more intimate spaces that can be really just you. You know, somebody might really want to just embrace their wild side. So it is really important to start with an honest conversation with yourself about how you want to feel in that space.
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Mariel Segarra
Yeah, totally. So what about if you share the space with a roommate or a partner or your kid, other family members? How do you combine your styles?
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Vern Yip
That's such a great question because I have been in the middle of a lot of really difficult client conversations where we have two people with very, very disparate points of view on what should be included. But I think it's really important to have everybody who's really using a space participate in the process so that they can feel hurt. Because when you give up and any say in what your home looks like, you may think that you're okay with it, but you can start to become really resentful. When you wake up in a bedroom every day that is completely not a color that you're okay with and filled with patterns that really you don't like, it starts to wear on you. So I think it's important for everybody to participate. I always use the example of a Venn diagram. Let's find the intersection of, for those important sort of foundational items, the things that are really major components of the room. Let's see if we can't get to agreement on that handful of items. And then as we start to fill the room out with different elements that are a lot less important and a lot more temporary, then let certain people have their way. And I'll give you an example. You know, it's really different. For example, selecting tile that's going to go on your bathroom walls that's really permanent. And once it's up, it's up, and you're not going to really want to change it if you don't like it after it's up. That's completely different from somebody saying, hey, you know, I know you don't love terracotta, but would you be okay with a couple terracotta throw pillows? What about terracotta towels?
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Mariel Segarra
If something's controversial in the household, go for towels, not tiles.
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Vern Yip
That's exactly right. Well put.
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Mariel Segarra
Thank you. All right, takeaway one. Before you renovate, redesign, or decorate a room, take a beat to think about what you want it to be. Maybe your kitchen is super functional, but it's a bit sterile. When you want it to feel cozy, you want it to be a space where you're excited to meal prep with your family or your roommates for the week. Or maybe your living room is fine, but it doesn't fit your personality. There's no art on the walls, and the floor has become a sea of dirty laundry and random clutter. What do you want it to feel like and how do you want to use it? Make sure you include anyone you share the space with in this process and try to come to compromises on the bigger, more permanent design choices, like what flooring or tile or couch you're going to. Okay, next, you tell folks to gather inspiration for the space, and one way to do that is with an inspiration box. You say in the book, many of us kept a treasure box when we were children of things that were special to us, like shells from the beach, ticket stubs, rocks found feathers. As adults, we often forget to take the time to do this, and you give examples of how someone could build their inspiration box. Like, you say you brought home a paper folder from the Acropolis Museum's gift store in Athens that had stylized animals on it. What did you like about that folder and why did you put it in your box?
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Vern Yip
Yeah, you know, such a funny thing to bring it to bring back from such an iconic place. But there was something about it that struck me. I had never seen animals interpreted in that way. It was also the color of the the folder for me, like when something really moves me or I really love something. And I think this is important, too, to not just fill your house with things that you like and that you're okay with or that you feel an obligation to, but to really surround yourself with things that you truly love. I've once helped a client design an entire bedroom based off of sea glass that she had been collecting for years. She'd been going on vacation with her family to a certain beach. And every time she would go, she would pick up sea glass. And it just meant so much to her. You know, she loved the texture of it and the colors of the sea glass. But it also had a lot of memories. And I think that that's what I'm getting at when I'm saying you have to be open to really loving something and building your house with things that resonate with you, not only aesthetically, but because they have a tie to your life in some capacity.
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Mariel Segarra
Yeah. That kind of leads us to the next step, which is to include room elements that have meaning to you. So what do you mean by that?
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Vern Yip
This is such an important component, and I hope everybody can really take this to heart. We all start out filling our spaces with things that we don't necessarily love but that we can afford. And what I say to people all the time is, every single one of those things in your house, whether you realize it or not, is sending you a message. And you want that message to ultimately be a really positive one. You want that message to be, hey, you know, remember when you went on that great road trip to see the changing fall leaves, and you saw me in an antique shop in the window, and you fell in love with me and you brought me home? I mean, that's a great message. The other message could be, hey, do you remember when you bought me because you didn't really love me, but I was on sale and you were having a dinner party, and you needed to fill this hole on your shelf? Like, that's not the kind of message that you want your house to be sending to you. But the other thing is that it's much more difficult to insert meaningful items at the end of the process. So start with meaningful items and the items that are most limited. First.
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Mariel Segarra
Takeaway. 2. Gather inspiration for your space. One way to do that is with a physical inspiration box or folder. Collect paper and small objects in the colors and patterns that stir your soul. And you don't have to be able to articulate why you like them. Just notice what resonates and stick it in the box. Also, try to incorporate patterns and objects that have a deeper meaning to you. A blender that belonged to your grandma or a painting that reminds you of the city where you grew up. What matters is that you understand the connection and the meaning. You don't need to explain it to your house guests, although you totally can if you want to. Okay, let's talk about color. What does it mean to choose your colors carefully?
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Vern Yip
Yeah, you know, a lot of people for Example, they like to pick paint chips in the store and then like, make a selection when they're in the store. And the thing is, the lighting where you're buying paint is likely, hopefully completely different from what you have at home. Normally in a hardware store or home improvement store, the lighting is fluorescent and it's really cool in temperature, and it impacts how a color looks in that space. Your room could be north facing or south facing or east or west facing. And the kind of light that comes into a room, you know, it's much warmer, for example, if you're south facing, and it's definitely cooler if it's north facing. So it really is going to look different in your actual space. And that goes for color across the board. Whether it's color in your upholstery or your rugs or your wall covering, it's good to get those physical samples and then to actually make sure that they read the way that you want them to read, because it is a big investment at the end of the day.
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Mariel Segarra
Yeah. You gave an example of the book of someone who painted their room a particular color and then realized that it made them look bad.
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Vern Yip
Yeah. It's a good friend of mine, she loves wearing hues of green. She has beautiful green eyes, and she just really feels like it makes her eyes pop. She's very pale, complected, and when she painted her whole room green, like the greens that she loves wearing, she's now realizing that the light is bouncing off of the green walls and it's making her look like she's under the weather. She then went ahead and painted her room like, a really lovely shade of kind of like a peach. And she felt so much better in the space. But everybody has been through that exercise of picking a paint chip, buying the paint without having tested it thoroughly, and then looking at the rim color and going, oh, no, what have I done?
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Mariel Segarra
Takeaway 3. Paint is not the most permanent decision, but it's not as easy to switch out as a throw pillow. So take a moment to gather paint chips and look at them in your space at different times of day and under different lighting conditions.
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Vern Yip
Tape them onto your wall, and then look at them during the day when you have natural light, and then look at them at night when you're primarily using artificial light and and start to take down the ones that you don't really like. Put the paint chips on different walls within the room because it's going to look different on different walls because light's going to be hitting those walls differently. And then when you finally have narrowed it down to like two or three choices that you think you're really going to be happy with. That's the time when you can either. A lot of paint companies, for example, have these paint stickers that are really accurate, that are larger. You know, they're usually like 8 inches by 8 inches or so and you can put that on the wall. You could buy sample paint pots. A lot of paint companies have those as well. Where you're not buying even a quarter gallon, you're buying enough to put like a 3 foot by 3 foot square of paint on that wall. And after it's dried, that will help you determine what's really the best choice for you.
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Mariel Segarra
After the break, we'll have more design tips with Vern yes.
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Mariel Segarra
Back with Life Kit. So, okay, Vern, every one of us has a financial limit, some kind of financial constraint. How can we figure out what to prioritize spending on if we do want to make a room look different?
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Vern Yip
I think it's a great point and I actually think financial constraints can be your best friend because when we're given limitless budgets, I think we, we oftentimes, you know, there's no consequences in our minds. So I think it causes us to examine things on a deeper level and to really prioritize. I really encourage people to invest in things that they really care about and that they really love and that are of quality and to build their rooms more slowly to sometimes do without the things that you might really love. Maybe you end up getting a pair of end tables from your parents house that they're throwing out and they are perfectly fine to serve you in the interim until you can afford those end tables that you really want. Or maybe you get something from a thrift store or Goodwill that is secondhand, that will suffice. But I think so often when people don't go through this step by step process of really building a room correctly, they end up with something that is aesthetically beautiful, but it doesn't ever last because it's not truly reflective of them. It's not truly built with items that they love. And so they start that process over and over again of redoing the room. A room should grow with you as you grow as a person instead of like completely stripping it away. As you grow and you evolve, you add additional layers to your room to reflect your experience. And I think that's when you know you've done it right.
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Mariel Segarra
Yeah. Do you have any suggestions for decorating on a budget, like how to find stuff that is more affordable?
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Vern Yip
Yeah, I mean, I still love a traditional yard sale. You can still find incredible things there because a lot of people have sort of given up on the idea of physically going somewhere to look for something. I think a lot of people buy secondhand or repurposed, and they can either choose to celebrate the piece on its own or they can choose to adapt it to better reflect who they are. But I do think that there are a lot of clever ways to do that. And oftentimes those secondhand items are of higher quality than what you might get brand new from a store. Maybe that older sofa has a hardwood frame instead of one that's made out of pine. Maybe it has eight way Hand tied springs instead of being made of some kind of weird foam that's gonna eventually give way and everybody will be able to tell where you exactly sit every night when you watch tv.
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Mariel Segarra
Sometimes I find too that like, what seems like a cheaper option in the moment might not be worth it. Like if you're in a space where you're saying, oh, you know what, I'm just gonna, I can't afford to retile, so I'm going to put down peel and stick tile. But peel and stick tile, like on the floor can very easily come unstuck and wear down.
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Vern Yip
You're exactly right. It is not a long term solution, but it's also how you feel every day stepping onto that peel and stick. You know, it might be peel and stick, for example, that looks like wood or looks like marble, but it's never going to feel like wood, marble or porcelain or whatever it is that would have been your first choice. And it might be very passable in a photograph. You might see somebody do it on a social media post and think, that looks good. And that was so affordable. But at the end of the day, you have to physically interact with it. And design is so much more than just the color of something or the pattern of something. It's really how it feels. It feels on your feet, it feels when you sit down on it, when you touch it, even you know the texture of something when you're just visually appreciating it because you can see it.
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Mariel Segarra
Yeah. It seems like in that case, if you're like, I can't afford to get the whole floor retiled, you could put down a rug and then save up towards doing the whole tile floor.
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Vern Yip
It feels like you co authored this book with me. That is exactly right. You should find a less permanent and less expensive solution that will just kind of get you over the hump until you can do it the way that you want to. I mean, I know there's something just really great and beautiful about immediate gratification, but sometimes that's really not the answer.
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Mariel Segarra
All right, takeaway four. A great way to redecorate on a budget is to shop secondhand. Go to yard sales and thrift stores often. You'll be able to find furniture and other items that are high quality and made to last. And if they need a little love, you can fix them up. Also remember that sometimes what seems like the cheapest, easiest option right now will not last. I had this experience myself with peel and stick tiles. Tried using them as a kitchen backdrop. They were hard to Clean, and they started coming unstuck within a few months. Eventually, I retiled with ceramic. Sometimes it's better to save up and make a change that'll last. Yeah, I like what you're saying about our spaces being a work in progress, because I think there is a pressure to have this perfect, beautiful space, especially if you're someone who's really affected by what's around you. It's like you feel like you haven't arrived yet, or like you're just this thing is annoying you every day, this old tile that you keep looking at. Or it's almost like, why can't I just, like, get it together and finally get my house looking like. Looking like your book.
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Vern Yip
You know, first off, these projects that you're seeing in this book, they're for clients who I've known for years, meaning in many cases, I've seen the same painting but moved it from, like, house to house to house. You know, it takes time. It does take time. Even when you see it in a beautiful magazine spread or a beautiful book, it's important to realize that that didn't happen instantly. And oftentimes, those rooms that are put together instantly, even though they might be perfectly put together, they oftentimes fall flat because they don't have any of the patina of life in them, of objects that have been hauled from point A to B to C to D. So these pictures are beautiful. But it's important to realize that this is the result of years of surrounding yourself with things that have meaning and that you love.
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Mariel Segarra
Vern Yip, thank you so much.
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Vern Yip
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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Mariel Segarra
Okay, time for a recap. Takeaway 1. Before you change a space, think about what you want to use it for and how you want to feel in it. And make sure you include anyone you share the space with in this process. Takeaway 2. Gather inspiration. You can even collect ideas in a physical box or folder. Found objects and ephemera, prints and patterns that you love. Also, consider decorating with items and styles that have a deep meaning to you. Takeaway 3. I know it's exciting to slap on a fresh coat of paint, but take a moment first to gather paint chips and look at them in your space at different times of the day under different lighting conditions. Narrow it down to your favorites and get larger paint stickers or small samples of the paint paint itself so you can test it out on the wall. Takeaway 4. A great way to redecorate on a budget is to shop secondhand, go to yard sales, and thrift stores. And remember that sometimes what looks like the cheapest and easiest choice right now will not last. It's okay to design a room little by little, to let it grow with you over time, like your favorite neighborhood in your favorite city, the one with the layers and layers of history. And that's our show. Before we go, I do have a favor to ask. If you have a moment, would you leave Life Kit a five star review? Maybe this episode is inspiring you to redecorate your living room or to make a budget to save up for that couch you've been eyeballing. A five star review is a great way to show your support. Thanks y'.
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Mariel Segarra
This episode of Life Kit was produced by Margaret Serino. Our visuals editor is Beck Harlan and our digital editor is Malika Green. Meghan Keane is our senior Supervising Editor and Beth Donovan is our Executive producer. Our production team also includes Andy Tagle, Claire Marie Schneider, and Sylvie Douglas. Engineering support comes from Stacey Abbott. I'm Mariel Segarra.
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