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Lipstick on the Rim
RE-RUN: Inside Rachel Zoe’s New Era: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Divorce, and Reinvention
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Rachel Zoe
By the way, there's nothing you could say? Anything inappropriate? There's nothing off the table for me.
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Molly Sims
Hey, I'm Molly Sims.
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Emisha Gormley
And I'm Emisha Gormley. We're two girls obsessed with one thing.
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Molly Sims
Beauty. And by that, we mean everything that makes you look and feel beautiful.
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Emisha Gormley
We're calling on our favorite health experts, industry insiders and friends to answer all your beauty questions with a drink in hand. Definitely with a drink in hand.
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Molly Sims
You're listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims.
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Emisha Gormley
Foreign.
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Molly Sims
So I have a little bit of a pet peeve that I think you're going to relate to this. I'll be having a great day, feeling good, and someone will say to me, you look tired. And I'm like, I promise you, I'm not really tired. But here's what I've learned. My eyelids, they do sit a little low. And once my doctor explained that to me, it actually kind of made a lot of sense. She prescribed me Upneek, the first and only FDA approved prescription eye drop for adults with low lying eyelids. One drop per eye. In the morning, and I notice my eyes look more open, awake within minutes. It's like just one simple step. That's it. And the results?
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Emisha Gormley
Guess what?
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Molly Sims
They last up to eight hours. Learn more about upneek.com that's u p n e e q.com or talk to your doctor. Just a little quick safety note about Upneek. Oxymetazoline hydrochloride ophthalmic solution, 0.1%. Tell your doctor your symptoms and medical history, including blood pressure, blood flow issues, and heart, brain, or eye disease. Drooping eyelids can be caused by other, more serious conditions, such as a stroke. Do not touch the tip of the upne vial to your eye or any other surface. This is not a complete list of risks. Close your eyes and picture this. You're somewhere warm. Maybe it's tulum, maybe it's the Amalfi coast. Maybe it's just your backyard with a good playlist. And even better, drink the water. Is that impossible shade of blue green. You feel light at effortless. That feeling, that's your tropical fantasy. And Macy's is making it wearable this summer. Their trend forecaster called it the tropical fantasy. Trend is the look of the season. We're talking sheer, flowy fabrics, iridescent pieces, swirling prints, sorbet colors, and get this, jelly shoes. They're back and they're actually chic. Think translucent flats, sandals, mules, plus shells, water pearls, and soft metallics that feel like the Ocean. It's not costumey mermaid, it's dreamy ocean inspired magic you can actually wear on a Tuesday. And to finish the look, Carolina Herrera's La Bamba fragrance. It comes in the most beautiful butterfly bottle and it smells exactly as good as it looks. Bright, vibrant dragon fruit red peony vanilla. Shop the tropical fantasy trend right now at Macy's. We are currently sitting with the newest member of the Real Housewives.
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Rachel Zoe
Stop it.
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Molly Sims
Of Beverly Hills.
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Rachel Zoe
Stop it.
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Emisha Gormley
She is a walking mastercl in longevity. A woman who has built a career that's lasted decades.
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Molly Sims
Rachel Zo. Welcome to Lipstick on the Rim.
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Rachel Zoe
Thank you for being here.
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Molly Sims
Oh, my God. I have known Rachel. I mean, she was my very first stylist. I was sad when she let me go.
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Rachel Zoe
I did not ever let you go.
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Molly Sims
But I have known Rachel personally and professionally for over 20 years. I cannot believe I was just talking with Mary Elizabeth that our babies were at your house for music class.
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Emisha Gormley
Maeve puked, remember?
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Rachel Zoe
Oh, yeah. She was really car sick. She was the most car sick child every time you drove her to my house.
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Molly Sims
And I just remember, you know, you've never changed. You have never changed.
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Emisha Gormley
I also have to say something because Molly knew you for 20 plus years. I also knew around that same amount
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Rachel Zoe
of time because you had dance but
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Emisha Gormley
even before that from Star Works back in the day.
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Rachel Zoe
Guys, we're only 37. I don't understand, but I always even possible.
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Emisha Gormley
I always say this to people when they ask, oh my God, like, you know, Rachel Zoe, what's she like? And I always say it didn't matter if I was a PR assistant or I walked in with Molly to a fitting. You were always. And I continue to be the kindest person. You treat everyone with love and warmth and kindness. And I always, that is like what I lead with when I talk about you in that way. And people ask what you're like. And I think that is why you've had such longevity, because you treat people well.
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Rachel Zoe
You're making me cry.
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Emisha Gormley
Well, but it's true.
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Rachel Zoe
I always say, I think your real friends are the real people in your life. Funny enough, are the ones sometimes you have the least pictures with and the people that you speak to sometimes the least, but that you always know they're there. They are there a thousand percent. If you call them at 4 in the morning in tears, you know that they are gonna show up a thousand percent. You know, if you haven't seen them for six months, you're gonna pick up exactly where you left without like, oh, you haven't called me. You haven't seen me. You didn't come to my house. You didn't show up at my birthday.
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Molly Sims
You didn't.
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Rachel Zoe
Who gives a shit? It's like, you know your place with them, you know, And. And at the end of the day, to me, that's a friendship.
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Molly Sims
Well, that's a friendship. I'm like. Or she'll be like, I need you to be there. I'm like, done.
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Emisha Gormley
Right?
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Molly Sims
I'm there.
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Rachel Zoe
And we have that.
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Molly Sims
And done. I'm there. And she's like, I need you. And I'm like, okay, I need you to be there. I'm like, done.
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Rachel Zoe
Be there.
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Molly Sims
What we do want to focus on, because it's been a long time since Rachel's VO has been on reality television. 11. Has it been 11 years?
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Rachel Zoe
11 years. I had a show after that that I loved and I would have done forever. It just was in the wrong place.
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Molly Sims
Oh, I remember that.
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Rachel Zoe
Fashionably Late.
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Molly Sims
We did Fashionably Late.
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Rachel Zoe
Oh, I remember that.
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Molly Sims
That was fun.
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Rachel Zoe
I'd still be doing that now. That was the dream. It was so fun.
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Molly Sims
We might could still bring that back as well.
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Emisha Gormley
I know you have a lot of time.
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Molly Sims
You have a lot of time.
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Emisha Gormley
You have so much time.
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Molly Sims
But what I love and you know, we have begged. I have personally begged Rachel to go back to styling. What about a show? I tried to even produce a show for? I'm like. She's like, I don't know. I've got the. I've got to let them get to a certain point. But you always stayed relevant. You know how to reinvent better than anyone I've ever met. And I think today, I think it's your moment.
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Emisha Gormley
I think you're opening up to a whole new generation of people that didn't watch the other shows because they were maybe not old enough guys.
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Rachel Zoe
It's wild. Like, what's happening?
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Emisha Gormley
Tell us everything.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay.
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Molly Sims
Tell us everything. Okay, so we don't really know anything.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay, so here's the thing. I don't know anything either.
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Molly Sims
I know.
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Rachel Zoe
Like, I actually know less than you know.
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Molly Sims
I'm like, what's it gonna be like? She's like, I have no idea.
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Rachel Zoe
All right, tell us. Okay, so here I'm gonna start by saying that. Very typical me. Cause I wing my entire life. There's no plan, there's no blueprint, there's no strategy. It's just, this feels right.
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Emisha Gormley
Let's go.
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Rachel Zoe
And so for that same reason, you know, and the reason I know how long it's been since My show ended is because I ended it as literally two weeks before I gave birth to Kaius. So I always do it by his. By how old he is. But what I did forget because I never watched my last show. I watched it cause I was an ep and then once it released, I never really saw it again because you know what it's like watching yourself, listening to your voice. So what I forgot. And I came home sometime last year and I got home late from an event and my kids were watching the Rachel Zoe Project with my assistant. And I literally was like. It was like. It was like. It was like the earth opened from under me and I was like, I forgot everything. And all of a sudden I saw sky was like born that, like he was on it in the last year. And I didn't remember that.
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Molly Sims
I didn't remember that.
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Rachel Zoe
I didn't remember that. I think I've just blacked out everything in the last 10 years. So then what crazy happened is Real Housewives came up and how did that happen?
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Molly Sims
Did Andy call you?
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Rachel Zoe
How did it.
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Molly Sims
You know, I know they've wanted you for years.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, it was. It was. I. As I said, I think when I announced it in exactly to what you just said, I needed a beat. I needed to really just be with my kids. And like, when I had sky, the paparazzi situation was so terrifying. I have, like, very clear PTSD of like, running down the flats in Beverly Hills with strollers, through alleyways, with cars and all this stuff, and sky just being like, swarmed and all this stuff. And I just. I just needed like a beat, you know, to like, be a mom, raise the kids.
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Molly Sims
And it was at the height of paparazzi, it was at the height of, you know, celebrity that way.
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Rachel Zoe
And I really just worked on keeping the brand strong and building the business, but also trying to maintain a private life.
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Molly Sims
Right.
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Rachel Zoe
In some way. And. Which I. Which I have. And. And so.
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Molly Sims
And I think you did a very good.
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Rachel Zoe
I mean, and it's funny, it wasn't until this opportunity came and I was like, no, no, no, no. And then I was like, maybe. And then I was like, well, you know, and it really felt with what I'm going through, when I did my show, it was because I had so much to say about fashion, the industry, the talent behind it. My real goal with that show was to highlight the designers and the brilliance behind it and that people didn't just show up in clothes. And that was the story. It was opening that curtain, right? And when that ended, I was like, okay. I'll do this when I have something else to say. And this past, like, year and a half has been the most transformative year of my entire life. Time of my life, truthfully, in a really long time, in many ways. Personally, obviously professionally, too. But personally. And I felt. And I still feel this overwhelming need to humanize and share what goes on in divorce, in separation, in the love stories. Could be the greatest of all time. Could be, you know, whatever it is. But there's millions and billions and millions of them happening all over the world. And there's so many lessons in that that I want to share. And I basically, I think through different conversations, Andy was like, you know, like, Andy and I were friends a long time. And he was like, I need you to know what this is. And I just said, you know what? Here's the thing. I have a lot I want to do, and I have a lot I want to say, and I think now feels like the time. But first and foremost, when I got off the first phone call, I literally said, I can't do anything until I talk to my boys. And I went into the kitchen, and I remember I came out of my office and went into the kitchen, and I was like, boys, family meeting. And I asked him, I said, guys, here's the thing. This is what. This is. Our summer plans will be gone. Literally, I'm working the whole summer. If I do this, whatever. I said, I don't need to, you know, doesn't have to happen. Let's. This is. This is a group decision. And they both. I said, you might be on it, but you don't have to be. And they both looked at me and were like, mom, this is like, your job. This is what you have to do. He's like, you. You. You're the best woman in the world. Like, you've never left. Like, you need to do you now. Literally. Sky was like, mom, this is what you need to do for yourself.
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Molly Sims
I think, you know, listen, you guys
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Rachel Zoe
were married, Roger, for 400 years.
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Molly Sims
For 400 years.
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Rachel Zoe
You're 401.
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Molly Sims
I am 401. Listen, it's very. Your year was thrown upside down.
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Rachel Zoe
But then as it's still in my
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Molly Sims
head and it's still a little upside down, but I think you have taken your situation and you have done what is right instead of. For you and Roger, you have done what is right for you and the kids.
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Rachel Zoe
100%.
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Molly Sims
That is the difference. I have known you for a long, long time. I, you know, you could not have been. And I will Say this on the record. A better wife.
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Rachel Zoe
Thank you. Thank you.
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Molly Sims
Or Mom.
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Emisha Gormley
And I think it's a testament to your children sitting there and turning around and going, it's your turn. And I think that's a testament to your parenting. Right.
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Molly Sims
And for it to be so public. I mean, we knew there were issues.
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Rachel Zoe
You knew it was.
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Molly Sims
And then he just, you know, fell off his fucking rocker.
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Emisha Gormley
And we're going there.
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Molly Sims
Well, I mean, we are, but he did. I mean, listen, rip it open and
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Emisha Gormley
put it on the table and leave nothing behind.
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Rachel Zoe
We all know so much.
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Molly Sims
You know what happened.
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Rachel Zoe
But it's a group decision.
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Molly Sims
But I think for you, you have to do what you need to do and be who you are. And I think for a long time, you were just trying to make him okay, make everything okay. We're gonna figure this out as one does in marriage. And that's what you do. Of course. But I think the reinvention and kind of the bringing back Rachel Zoe, as I call it, like, I don't know. I'm ready for it.
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Rachel Zoe
Can I tell you? I'm here.
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Emisha Gormley
I'm here for, like. I want here for, like, single Hot Rachel.
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Rachel Zoe
Let me.
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Molly Sims
Single Hot Rachel.
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Rachel Zoe
Let me tell you something, guys.
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Emisha Gormley
Let's. Let's go.
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Rachel Zoe
Let me tell you something.
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Emisha Gormley
We're going to live vicariously through you.
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Rachel Zoe
I have not. I have never felt more myself than I have felt in the last year and a half. I feel every minute of my life like me. There's no. I. I'll be honest with you. I really think I forgot in the last few years. Like, I don't think I knew I forgot, but I definitely. That light was definitely dimmed for sure without knowing it. And I think that coming out of it, it's like, holy shit. Like, I for. I, like, found my fire. I found my light. And it's not intentional. You just. It's like, I walk around and people are like, oh, my God, you're glowing. Oh, my God, you're this. And I look back at photos, and I'm like, now I know why people are saying that. I know why they're saying that.
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Emisha Gormley
Your identity was, I think, so intertwined. I mean, you guys were together since, what, college?
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Emisha Gormley
30 years ago. So think about that. I mean, it's. That's the majority of. I mean, far more than the majority of your life. Right?
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Rachel Zoe
It's more than half my life. Yeah. And it's my entire adult legal life.
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Emisha Gormley
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
I wasn't even legally transparent.
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Emisha Gormley
And that's something I think that's something like, you know, when you. When you really think about it that way, you. You were that unit, and you did lose your. I think it's impossible sometimes to. Not especially at that young of an age when you're still figuring out who you are, what you want to be. You did it with another person. Yes.
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Molly Sims
You did it with another person. And I think, because, you know, he was coming undone, you were also so trying to make everything appear and be okay. That. Yeah, okay.
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Rachel Zoe
Walls up.
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Molly Sims
Yeah, walls up. I've got this marching ahead. We're gonna figure it out. But I think within that, you got a little dim.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. Truthfully. And I don't. I honestly don't. I didn't realize it. In it. That's what's so wild. And I think it's sort of like, well, you know, what's your regret? I'm like, that I didn't leave sooner, you know, And I'll always kind of be a little, I think, mad at myself for that. But I also think when I try to find the learning in that and the silver lining in that is that my kids are my best friends, and when they were little, this would have looked real different.
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Emisha Gormley
I think what's so exciting, though, right now, I'm gonna say this, is that this phase of your life is happening at a time where you're going to be showing it to the world on one of the biggest franchises. It is. It's truly one of the biggest franchises in reality tv.
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Rachel Zoe
It's wild.
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Emisha Gormley
And I think it's gonna be so fun to watch this phase of your life unfold.
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Rachel Zoe
I'm very honest. So tell us about it.
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Molly Sims
Okay. Tell us everything.
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Rachel Zoe
I can't. Like, I have to kill you, Mom.
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Molly Sims
We can't tell you.
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Rachel Zoe
Like, I literally have to kill you.
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Emisha Gormley
Okay, so what's the. What's the experience?
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Molly Sims
Like, do you wake up and you're like, they come over?
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Rachel Zoe
No, it's. It's. It's a. I am legitimately winging every day.
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Molly Sims
And so you go on with Kathy.
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Rachel Zoe
I am not scripted.
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Molly Sims
Well, you've never been scripted.
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Rachel Zoe
Right. And.
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Molly Sims
But. Okay, so we've got Bose is the new one. We've got Kathy Hilton. We've got Kyle. Kyle Richards.
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Rachel Zoe
Kyle. Dorit.
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Molly Sims
Dorit.
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Rachel Zoe
Cassie.
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Molly Sims
Is it fun?
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Rachel Zoe
It's. Yes. I mean, the answer is it's a real experience, and there are definitely fun moments.
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Molly Sims
Is it scary?
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Rachel Zoe
You know, I'm the new girl, right? Like, I'm the new girl. There's another girl, but there's. There's an I'M the new girl.
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Emisha Gormley
Day one. First day of filming.
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Rachel Zoe
Day one. I. I'll be honest with you guys. Here's the thing. You know me well enough to know I walked on day one as if there was no camera in sight on my life. And I kind of really did that for the whole season. And there were moments, I swear, where I literally, like, I'll never forget. It was actually the first day of shooting and I was just sitting talking to all the girls and like, whatever my son is on and, you know, we're just talking. And I think, like, when the day ended, I literally got up and I turned around and there was like, I swear, like 30 cameras there. Oh, my God. It's like, right?
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Emisha Gormley
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Molly Sims
You've always been great about being yourself
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Rachel Zoe
just because it's all I can be. That is the thing. And I think, and I think to be honest, the part for me when I agreed to do it, it was really like if I can be me, I'm in. I can't be anything else. And everybody here knows that. Andy knows that better than anyone. And I think if I can be me and I can be my honest me, I'm in, you know. And you know, so far. But I'll be honest you guys, I don't know anything. Like I was there but I don't know anything. So I can't even tell you anything. Like, I don't.
- [24:11]
Molly Sims
Have you gotten into a fight yet?
- [24:12]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, I can't tell you.
- [24:14]
Molly Sims
Okay. Okay, so here's what you can't hear. I know you've gotten into it, but
- [24:16]
Rachel Zoe
you know me, Molly. Do I fight?
- [24:18]
Emisha Gormley
No. But here's the thing. You've known a lot of you do.
- [24:20]
Molly Sims
Cold shoulder.
- [24:21]
Emisha Gormley
You've known a lot of these women off camera for years.
- [24:23]
Rachel Zoe
Not a lot.
- [24:24]
Emisha Gormley
Not a lot.
- [24:25]
Rachel Zoe
Only two.
- [24:25]
Emisha Gormley
Okay.
- [24:26]
Rachel Zoe
All right. So, I mean, Kathy, I've known 20 years.
- [24:28]
Molly Sims
Love Kathy.
- [24:29]
Rachel Zoe
I've known Kyle a little. Not a lot. Cal's fabulous and beaus. I know, but not well. And not for a long time.
- [24:36]
Emisha Gormley
Has anybody sort of taken you back, like you just bonded or wasn't the person you're expecting them to be. That's without.
- [24:45]
Rachel Zoe
But I can't tell you. So generally speaking, I'm definitely closer with certain people. For sure.
- [24:50]
Molly Sims
I think that's normal, though. I think when you know, it's energy, it's who you relate to. Also for what you're going through right now. I think you said it. I think you can relate to what's going on with Kyle.
- [25:03]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, we all. But that's what's interesting, you guys. Everyone on this show is dealing with shit. And there's different levels and everybody's is different, but everyone's going through something.
- [25:15]
Molly Sims
I think it must be interesting of how people deal with it, because I know you will look at something and you're like, well, I'm just not gonna engage. And you don't exist to me anymore without knowing it.
- [25:25]
Rachel Zoe
She doesn't know me.
- [25:25]
Molly Sims
I'm gonna silently kill you.
- [25:27]
Rachel Zoe
I mental death them.
- [25:28]
Molly Sims
I mental death them.
- [25:31]
Rachel Zoe
But I'm smiling. But I'll smile.
- [25:32]
Molly Sims
But I'll smile.
- [25:33]
Emisha Gormley
Kill them with kindness.
- [25:34]
Molly Sims
Kill them with kindness.
- [25:35]
Rachel Zoe
You gotta lead with kindness, guys. You gotta keep it classy. Right?
- [25:38]
Molly Sims
Always. Is it long hours?
- [25:40]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, it is. It's a lot. It's a lot and it's. Listen, my show took nine months to shoot every year for five years.
- [25:51]
Molly Sims
And that was exhausting, right?
- [25:55]
Rachel Zoe
And this is very efficient. They are real pros and meaning, like production and stuff. And they, you know, it is. I couldn't do that job. I mean, there's a lot of us you are balancing. You know, on my show, it was three times as long and it was just me. I mean, there was obviously other people, but it was like there wasn't scenes I wasn't really in. You know what I mean? And for this and that way but the whole thing is wild, you guys. But I will say the most wild part for me in hindsight is that I found out on June 6, driving to my son's school. Middle school graduation. My manager called me and said, like, they're announcing it. Hey, you were saying that in two hours. And I was like, what do you mean? I'm on the way to graduation? Like, what are you even talking about? What does it even mean? And I was like, well, when do I start? And they're like, tomorrow.
- [26:51]
Molly Sims
No, I didn't know you started the next day. Stop it.
- [26:54]
Rachel Zoe
The next day I was shooting. Next day I was shooting.
- [26:56]
Molly Sims
I didn't realize it was the next day. I just remember, like, you're not coming back.
- [26:59]
Rachel Zoe
Graduation, June 6th. Shooting, June 7th.
- [27:02]
Molly Sims
Did you wear fur on your first day?
- [27:04]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, it was 100 degrees.
- [27:05]
Molly Sims
You still. You all.
- [27:07]
Rachel Zoe
I think I was still sweating from graduation.
- [27:09]
Emisha Gormley
But I.
- [27:09]
Rachel Zoe
But I. I can tell you that, like, what was wild, you guys, was that my show ended with Skyler being born. And then this one started when he graduated as literally the day after he graduated middle school at 14. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, this was just this crazy. And I just. I started to just, like. It was a lot. It was a lot emotionally, but it was ready, set, go. There was no, like, oh, I need to get my hair color done. I should probably make myself look cute for this. There was no prep. There was no facials.
- [27:45]
Molly Sims
You were already prepped. You're pre prepped at all times, Molly.
- [27:48]
Rachel Zoe
There was no, like, There was no what am I wearing? It was, wake up and, like, what am I wearing? You're shooting in two hours. But here's the thing. I rolled in knowing nothing. When I say knowing nothing, I'm not lying. When I say knowing nothing. I didn't know. I didn't know who Dorit was. I didn't know who Erica was. Fucking love her.
- [28:07]
Molly Sims
I think that's good because you. You know, sometimes we're like, oh, well, she's this way.
- [28:11]
Rachel Zoe
That's exactly why. Oh, my God.
- [28:12]
Molly Sims
You gotta watch out for this one. You know what? I think it's almost like a sorority where you're like, okay, I'm getting rushed and I'm just gonna figure it out.
- [28:19]
Rachel Zoe
No, no, that. That's actually exactly what it was. And I never did a sorority, so I was a little like, I can't imagine you in a sorority. Can you imagine? No, but I have to tell you,
- [28:27]
Molly Sims
you would have to look like someone
- [28:29]
Rachel Zoe
else, and that's impossible. Molly, when it was announced. My phone starts blowing up from the women that I love and respect in my life, in career and as mothers. Emma, greedy. Blowing me up. Bitch. We're going to dinner right now. I need to prep everything. She's like, I need to prep you. I go, I don't want to be prepped. She goes, that makes me really nervous. She was like. And Katherine Power. Freaking out. Freaking out. Katherine Power.
- [28:54]
Molly Sims
Like, what is happening?
- [28:56]
Rachel Zoe
We need to talk about this before you start. No, Katherine, I don't. Don't tell me anything. I don't want to know. And I remember Emma being like, my team is concerned. I'm like, what is your team concerned about? She's like, my team is concerned that you're going in cold. And I was going in cold. Going in cold. I was like, you know, because I didn't. My mind is so strong. If people I love and trust and respect start giving me their opinions about certain things, you'll absorb it. I'm gonna absorb it. I can't unhear it. I can't unsee it. And I'm gonna go in with a preconceived idea of who these people are. And I wanted to form my own.
- [29:30]
Molly Sims
Okay. Beauty, balance, and legacy. You've been known for effortless, glowy, timeless beauty. How do you start your day? Do you do any treatments in the morning? Do you, like, do lymphatic clove plunge? You just get ready, Molly. I know these.
- [29:47]
Rachel Zoe
I'm going to let you answer. If I have ever cold plunge.
- [29:50]
Molly Sims
She has never cold plunged. She doesn't exercise. She gets up, she paces. She figures it out. She's, like, trying to figure out what's going to happen. For that, she'll call Mary Elizabeth, like, five times and. Can we cancel this? We can't.
- [30:03]
Rachel Zoe
But, yes, I will take a 30 second, literally, a 30 second shower. And I will put on, like, some Barbara Sturm products. I told you what I love from Wyze. I love everything. But honestly, just this morning, I was like, yeah, I don't think I took off my full makeup. And I know you are not claiming that I should use them to remove my makeup. I know that I do the same thing, but I do it. I'm here to say I use in that gorgeous tub, the exfoliating pads that have the perfect little slot for my hair, which, when you have nails, beautiful. And I do it. And Molly said, that's not meant to replace your routine.
- [30:46]
Molly Sims
We've had the exact same thing. Doesn't it make your skin more even?
- [30:48]
Rachel Zoe
I love Them.
- [30:49]
Molly Sims
I know.
- [30:49]
Rachel Zoe
They make my skin soft.
- [30:51]
Molly Sims
I know.
- [30:51]
Rachel Zoe
And I love them. And then I put on all products. I also love my wise mom that I love it.
- [30:57]
Molly Sims
She loves it. Like a gloss.
- [30:58]
Rachel Zoe
I do, girl.
- [30:59]
Emisha Gormley
I mean, look at those glossy lips right now. And you've always had good, dewy skin. I have always had.
- [31:04]
Molly Sims
What's your foundation?
- [31:06]
Rachel Zoe
I use different, but I use hourglass. I use Charlotte. I use.
- [31:10]
Molly Sims
She's gonna tell you about one right now. Cause she came.
- [31:12]
Emisha Gormley
Tried the Victoria Beckham one. The foundation drop.
- [31:14]
Rachel Zoe
I love Victoria. I'm gonna do a soap, honestly. Westman Atelier. Westman Atelier. Gucci stuff is incredible.
- [31:20]
Molly Sims
Gucci, we love.
- [31:21]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, I love. So I use a mix of, like, all my favorite things, but I'm not gonna L. Beauty. I use a ton of you, beauty. I love Tina. I love you, beauty. I use a lot of her products. But that's the thing. I really go to my favorites. And I pound.
- [31:36]
Molly Sims
Super hydrated is amazing.
- [31:38]
Rachel Zoe
There's a lot of hydrating, you guys. That's really what I use the most of, is hydration and serums and hyaluronics and things like that.
- [31:44]
Molly Sims
What about mascara?
- [31:45]
Rachel Zoe
Oh, I'm a junkie. I love mascara.
- [31:48]
Emisha Gormley
She loves mascara. I love a triple curl. I used to do a double curl. Now I do a triple curl.
- [31:53]
Rachel Zoe
What do you mean, a triple curl?
- [31:54]
Emisha Gormley
Oh, I do a triple curl.
- [31:55]
Molly Sims
It's gonna kill your lashes. I love.
- [31:58]
Rachel Zoe
I love Charlotte's mascaras. I really do. I really love Charlotte Tilbury mascaras. I really.
- [32:04]
Emisha Gormley
I'm very.
- [32:04]
Molly Sims
I love.
- [32:05]
Rachel Zoe
I do too. All the eyes.
- [32:06]
Emisha Gormley
I love that Hollywood face filter or whatever it's called. Sometimes I just put that on with, like.
- [32:10]
Rachel Zoe
I've also known Charlotte forever, so I also know what goes into that meaning. Like, when she created her, like, glowy, smoky, bronzy, da da, da. She was doing that for my. The models at my fashion shows. Like, her makeup is her.
- [32:23]
Molly Sims
Yeah, her makeup is her.
- [32:24]
Rachel Zoe
It is her. It really is her.
- [32:26]
Emisha Gormley
So what about some rituals? What are your morning and nighttime rituals?
- [32:30]
Rachel Zoe
Honestly, I wish I had a lot of them. It's like, I'm running, Emisha. I'm fucking running. I'm in heels. Platform at all times. I am wasting Rachel sleeping in bed
- [32:43]
Emisha Gormley
with these little platforms hanging out.
- [32:44]
Rachel Zoe
Like, literally. You guys, my team jokes I've never seen. I actually. They think I sleep like this. I don't sleep. I. I disco nap. It's like I literally sleep with a full eye from whatever shoot I was on. I'll clean my skin off and I will make sure my clean babe. Yes. You'll bake it and she'll just go to sleep. Yes, I do. I use my eye from the night before all the time. Why? It saves me 45 minutes. That's why. So I will my ritual, honestly, some good eye patches while I'm like, rolling a call. Like, I mean, I wash my hair twice a week. I am the lowest maintenance beauty person, but I do care about skin more than anything. So it's like I am going to pound with all the things of hydration. I have seven layers of every hydration, anti aging serums, night serums, like, all of that. But it'll take me five minutes, you know, really five minutes I'll do before a big event. I will always do, like a one, one, one skin mask. Or, you know, I will always and. And leave it on for, like, if they say 20, I'll leave it on for an hour, like, because it really does feel good, you know, I always
- [33:59]
Emisha Gormley
put her eye patches on for at least an hour.
- [34:01]
Rachel Zoe
And I do like Nurse Jamie, and I do. I love nurse. You know, she's the best.
- [34:05]
Molly Sims
I haven't seen her in a while.
- [34:06]
Rachel Zoe
Nurse Jamie's the best. She does all the newest lasers and like, this new thing from Korea. And like, the great, like, the tightening and the. I do all this. I don't know what she does. She does everything. Like, I'll just be like, close my eyes and I'll just work. And she'll just laser and tighten. And I come out, and someone's like, what'd you do? I'm like, I don't know, literally. Have you done thermo? I don't know. I don't know.
- [34:28]
Molly Sims
Probably I've made it on the list.
- [34:30]
Rachel Zoe
I'm a lot like Molly. It's like I just go in, close my eyes.
- [34:33]
Emisha Gormley
What?
- [34:34]
Rachel Zoe
Just tighten it, lift it, do what
- [34:36]
Molly Sims
you need to do. Designers, any ones that you. I know you're Die Hards, but any new ones?
- [34:42]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, I don't know about new, but, like, obsessed. I mean, Schiaparelli. Schiaparelli, Schiaparelli, Schiaparelli. Like, all day, every day. I mean, new. I mean, of course, Kate.
- [34:54]
Molly Sims
I love Kate. Hey, guys, this is Molly Sims, host of Lipstick on the Rim. So I have a little bit of a pet peeve that I think you're going to relate to this. I'll be having a great day, feeling good, and someone will say to me, you look tired. And I'm like, I promise you, I'm not really tired. But here's what I've learned. My eyelids, they do sit a little low and once my doctor explained that to me, it actually kind of made a lot of sense. She prescribed me upneek, the first and only FDA approved prescription eye drop for adults with low lying eyelids. One drop per eye in the morning and I notice my eyes look more open awake within minutes. It's like just one simple step. That's it. And the results?
- [35:37]
Emisha Gormley
Guess what?
- [35:38]
Molly Sims
They last up to eight hours. Learn more about upneek.com that's u p n e e q.com or talk to your doctor. Just a little quick safety note about Upneek. Oxymetazoline hydrochloride ophthalmic solution 0.1% Tell your doctor your symptoms and medical history, including blood pressure, blood flow issues and heart, brain or eye disease. Drooping eyelids can be caused by other more serious conditions such as a stroke. Do not touch the tip of the Upne vial to your eye or any other surface. This is not a complete list of risks.
- [36:12]
Emisha Gormley
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- [37:21]
Molly Sims
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- [38:29]
Rachel Zoe
Vintage.
- [38:30]
Emisha Gormley
This is a non answer, but I'm just going to ask anyways. Platform stutter.
- [38:33]
Rachel Zoe
Did I pause platform? No.
- [38:34]
Emisha Gormley
I mean, I just. Why is this even on here?
- [38:37]
Molly Sims
Most treasured piece in your wardrobe.
- [38:40]
Rachel Zoe
Halston tie dye caftan from the 70s. That's in the book that I will never wear. It'll just hang.
- [38:47]
Emisha Gormley
Go to glam product.
- [38:49]
Molly Sims
You wore pink the other day.
- [38:51]
Rachel Zoe
I know. Is that alarming?
- [38:53]
Molly Sims
It was alarming.
- [38:54]
Rachel Zoe
Alarming. I've done it twice.
- [38:56]
Molly Sims
You looked amazing.
- [38:57]
Rachel Zoe
I did. I didn't look.
- [38:58]
Molly Sims
She wore this incredible pink to the InStyle image maker or whatever. You don't wear color. You looked incredible.
- [39:09]
Rachel Zoe
Thank you. I felt a little out of body. It was wild. I was like, do I look like a Barbie gone wrong?
- [39:16]
Molly Sims
No.
- [39:16]
Rachel Zoe
I don't know.
- [39:17]
Molly Sims
It was fabulous. Keep going. Go to Glam products.
- [39:21]
Rachel Zoe
Everything. Literally everything. My five minute face has everything in it. It has a shimmer stick on my eyes. It has foundation and concealer. It has a nude lip liner and a gloss. It has mascara, and it has a brow pencil.
- [39:37]
Emisha Gormley
I'm picturing that cartoon where it's like the person stands there and the robot mach.
- [39:42]
Rachel Zoe
Do you know how much my team begs me to do the get ready with me? And I think I just can't do it.
- [39:46]
Emisha Gormley
You're like, I don't.
- [39:47]
Rachel Zoe
I think I'm just not coordinated enough. Like, I'm just like. I don't think I've ever seen you without an eye.
- [39:54]
Molly Sims
Even like at like 5 o' clock in the morning.
- [39:56]
Rachel Zoe
Can I tell you a true story? In Covid, in the darkness of COVID I had a cat eye every single day where nobody saw me. Not one soul. And when I had Covid, not even my ex husband saw me or my children. And you know what I did? I went into my bathroom, I did a black liquid liner, put on lashes, black liner in the waterline, a full lip, did my hair and sat in my bed. And that is what I did. And I looked at myself and I said, you are not a well person. I said, are you fucking okay? You have 104 fever. You are like. You are like contagion right now. And I just had to do it because I had to feel like yourself. I had to feel like myself. I couldn't. I have been over there at 5
- [40:54]
Molly Sims
o' clock in the morning. I'm like, how the do you have
- [40:57]
Rachel Zoe
a full eye on? I look like I. You look stunning. No, you look stunning.
- [41:03]
Emisha Gormley
When was the last time you did wear. I'm actually curious. I live in flats. When was the last time?
- [41:06]
Molly Sims
Have you ever worn a flat flat?
- [41:08]
Rachel Zoe
No, never.
- [41:09]
Molly Sims
I don't think she ever worn a flat.
- [41:12]
Rachel Zoe
No, no,
- [41:15]
Emisha Gormley
no.
- [41:15]
Rachel Zoe
She's like, I don't. I mean when I played tennis, you know, as a doubles champion until I was 15, she's like, that was the
- [41:21]
Emisha Gormley
last time I wore sneakers.
- [41:22]
Rachel Zoe
I'll wear like a slipper, like at home. Like I'll do like a Gucci. Gucci, you know? Yes, yes.
- [41:30]
Emisha Gormley
Like this don't height.
- [41:31]
Rachel Zoe
I'll do like platform mugs at home, like in a row of like shirts. But like in the world, like no
- [41:38]
Emisha Gormley
one trend you would never bring back
- [41:40]
Rachel Zoe
the whole decade of the 80s. I'm with you. I hate fashion like ever. Maybe a Mugler shoulder or a Gaultier shoulder maybe. But everything else.
- [41:52]
Emisha Gormley
I'm with you.
- [41:52]
Rachel Zoe
No, everything else.
- [41:53]
Emisha Gormley
No, I'm with you.
- [41:54]
Molly Sims
I'm so over the pajama pants.
- [41:56]
Rachel Zoe
Oh, yeah. Okay.
- [41:58]
Molly Sims
I'm. I just wanted to tell you.
- [41:59]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, okay, But. But could I do a silk lounge set? You could do a silk. Like a smoking set. Like a.
- [42:06]
Molly Sims
No.
- [42:06]
Rachel Zoe
Okay.
- [42:06]
Molly Sims
Ok. But yeah, Pajama, the kids. I'm like, oh, oh God.
- [42:11]
Rachel Zoe
Put on clothes.
- [42:12]
Molly Sims
Put on clothes.
- [42:13]
Emisha Gormley
Oh, I mean, girl.
- [42:15]
Rachel Zoe
Okay.
- [42:15]
Emisha Gormley
Oversized sweatpants on the tweens right now
- [42:17]
Rachel Zoe
is guys, you drive past where Molly and I, where our kids go to school, which I won't say, but like if you drive past any middle school, every single girl is in like a skims or whatever top what's the other one?
- [42:32]
Molly Sims
Tank top.
- [42:32]
Rachel Zoe
What's Brandy Melville?
- [42:33]
Emisha Gormley
Whatever.
- [42:35]
Rachel Zoe
Tank top, cropped, baggy, sweatsy jeans.
- [42:39]
Emisha Gormley
It's the same in Jersey. That's what the. By the way, do you remember when I moved to Jersey? I'm still there. Yeah, I'm still there. I texted.
- [42:47]
Rachel Zoe
I texted the town next to where my grandparents lived, right? In seminar.
- [42:49]
Emisha Gormley
I texted her a picture of me at the Short Hills Mall.
- [42:52]
Molly Sims
And she was like.
- [42:52]
Emisha Gormley
She was like, it's where I grew up.
- [42:55]
Rachel Zoe
My whole entire adolescence was in the Short Hills Mall or driving to New York City.
- [43:00]
Emisha Gormley
I get in my car and my GPS thinks that Short Hills Mall is home. And it automatically, seven minutes to Short Hills Mall.
- [43:07]
Rachel Zoe
Where do you think I made out with boys? Like, Short Hills Mall. And like, that was my first job, baby. Nine West.
- [43:14]
Molly Sims
Nine times at a ten.
- [43:15]
Rachel Zoe
She's at the mall, of course.
- [43:17]
Emisha Gormley
And I don't answer when she calls and I'm at the mall. I'm like, I can't. I can't tell her I'm at the mall.
- [43:22]
Rachel Zoe
Made out the Short Hills Mall. Made my first dollars for myself at the Short Hills Mall at 9 West.
- [43:27]
Molly Sims
Legend dial rule you swear by.
- [43:30]
Rachel Zoe
Never ever follow trends. Always interpret them for yourself. Those days are over.
- [43:37]
Emisha Gormley
I couldn't agree more.
- [43:38]
Rachel Zoe
There is no do's in my mind.
- [43:39]
Emisha Gormley
My pet peeve, like, oh, don't wear
- [43:41]
Rachel Zoe
this because it's not in style.
- [43:42]
Molly Sims
No.
- [43:42]
Emisha Gormley
Does it look good on you? Then it's in style.
- [43:44]
Rachel Zoe
I remember when they said, don't wear wide legs. I was like, fuck you. Are you okay? Are you fucking okay? What do you think I'm gonna wear a skinny jean now? I don't look cute in them. I don't look cute in them. You guys hated a skinny jean because I look terrible. You look great in them because you're nine feet tall. I mean, me barefoot next to Molly is like a comedy sketch. It's an actual comedy sketch.
- [44:09]
Emisha Gormley
You can count how many times they snort on this episode. So mortifying. Jesus, I love it.
- [44:14]
Molly Sims
Real Housewife of Beverly Hills, bestie. Who would it be if you could name one?
- [44:18]
Rachel Zoe
Oh, I can't tell you.
- [44:20]
Emisha Gormley
Oh, she's really making us.
- [44:21]
Rachel Zoe
Look. They have a gun to my head. It'll be out. Oh, that's fair. Okay, okay.
- [44:28]
Molly Sims
Episode one. Oh, only one. They're only releasing once a week.
- [44:31]
Rachel Zoe
Shit. You can't binge it. Well, I would say at this point. I would say at this point, I mean, Kathy's family. Kathy for sure is family. So the rest you'll have to Watch Kathy and her. Kathy is stunning. Kathy, I have to tell you, she is absolutely stunning. She is absolutely ageless. And she is also. She's like, in her, like, hot crawler. She is, like, stunning right now. Not that she hasn't always been, but, like, I actually have known her for 20 years. She looks as good now, if not better than even when I met her. She looks incredible.
- [45:02]
Emisha Gormley
How old is she?
- [45:03]
Molly Sims
I like her style. I think she has her own look.
- [45:05]
Rachel Zoe
She's Kathy.
- [45:06]
Molly Sims
She's Kathy. She looks good, she feels good. She's also. Everybody's always saying she's very nice.
- [45:11]
Rachel Zoe
Can I tell you something? Kathy, Nikki And Paris are three of the most loyal friends I have had for 20 years. They are. I'll tell anyone who will listen. Paris Hilton was standing in the window of Kitson the day that I released my very first book in 2006 or seven, whenever it was, and I didn't know it, but I was in an interview, and they literally go, what do you think of Paris Hilton right now? Standing in Kitson in piles of your books, trying to sell them? I literally was like, what are you even. What are you even talking about? She actually was standing in the window of Kitson with style 8 as O. Stacks and stacks and holding them. I was like. Like, I didn't ask her to do. I had only known her a few years. Like, I didn't ask her to do that. But they. Those women work.
- [45:59]
Molly Sims
Nikki and Paris are great girls.
- [46:00]
Rachel Zoe
They work so hard.
- [46:01]
Molly Sims
I got to meet Nikki a little bit this summer.
- [46:03]
Emisha Gormley
And the best.
- [46:03]
Rachel Zoe
She's the best.
- [46:03]
Molly Sims
She's the best. Great mom. So is Paris. And they seem happy.
- [46:08]
Rachel Zoe
They are happy. And let me tell you something. Nothing was handed. These girls have worked every second of their life. I'm not joking. And same with Kathy. They are loyal, hard workers, just like. Just like Kris Jenner and Kim.
- [46:25]
Emisha Gormley
If you work in the fashion industry or entertainment, I feel like across the board, I've always heard they're a pleasure to have on set.
- [46:33]
Rachel Zoe
They're so professional. They're kind to everyone.
- [46:35]
Emisha Gormley
They're professional. They stress on.
- [46:36]
Molly Sims
They show up.
- [46:37]
Rachel Zoe
Guys, Kim was on my show. She's on the Rachel Zoe Project. I actually forgot that. And someone posted that on TikTok yesterday. I remember. And I didn't even see it. My team sent me the sales. Like, oh, my God, I think I was pregnant. I was pregnant with one of my kids when Kim came on. But, like, here's the one thing I would say, and you guys can. Can. Can obviously understand this. A Big part of the job. And I was reminded of it this summer when I was shooting every single day and I didn't get my hair and makeup done a lot of this season. I did it a lot on my own, like, especially when we traveled.
- [47:10]
Molly Sims
Clearly, you know how.
- [47:11]
Rachel Zoe
I don't know. I'm probably gonna regret that, by the way, I haven't seen anything. So until I see myself in where I did it, I have no idea what, what, what, But I just couldn't sit through it anymore.
- [47:22]
Molly Sims
I know.
- [47:23]
Rachel Zoe
But what I want to say to that is, and very appropriate here on this podcast is like, the time that is committed. No matter how close you are, no matter how much you love your hair and makeup, and in their case, like stylists, there is so much time that is spent in that chair that you are away from your kids, that you're away from your life that you're away from. And even if we're all working while we're sitting in the chair, it is an insane amount. And I want to just call that out because in the amount of the way that certain people work in this industry, whether we're talking about JLO or the Kardashians or the Hiltons or whomever, guys, it's like, as hard as you work, I also want to mention the amount of time you commit to the look and to what it takes for that look. I mean, I'll only sit for an hour. Just like, Molly, like, whatever you can do to me in an hour is what's going to happen, right? I'm going to throw something on or I'm going out and sit.
- [48:26]
Molly Sims
I can't take it past Emma. I can't take it.
- [48:29]
Rachel Zoe
Start to jump out of my body.
- [48:30]
Molly Sims
I just.
- [48:31]
Rachel Zoe
Same, same.
- [48:33]
Molly Sims
I'm like, gray. I'm like, I got to get up and go to the bathroom. I'll, like, pretend to do something.
- [48:36]
Rachel Zoe
That's why I'll ask Molly. I need it. I. I need another makeup person on. Who do you got? Because she knows in an hour or less, how can we do it? I do want to talk about that because I just, I just think, like, just talking about what you guys talk about all day, there is so much that goes into being a. There is a real commitment. It is. And like. And they do always look like they're air pressed by God. And they do always look flawless and they do always look, you know, whatever. But it is. They are. They are putting. It is a lot. That is a big part of the job. It's a big part of the Job, you know, huge part of the job. Huge part of the. And we all work hard, you know, But I think. I think. I just. I think a lot of people would say they're so lucky and. Yeah, of course they are. Like, I'm not gonna say we're all lucky to be doing what we love and to be able to be touched and painted by, like, the most talented people in the business. But. But there is. There is a certain amount of commitment that I just. You know, I just love that they.
- [49:26]
Molly Sims
They're so involved in whatever they do.
- [49:28]
Emisha Gormley
Yeah.
- [49:29]
Molly Sims
You know, they really are.
- [49:30]
Rachel Zoe
Unlike you, Molly.
- [49:31]
Molly Sims
Unlike me.
- [49:32]
Rachel Zoe
Unlike you, I'm sure.
- [49:32]
Molly Sims
But they really are involved in. In their businesses. They are involved in their life. You can say what you want about any one of them. They have real businesses, and they work hard. And they work hard.
- [49:43]
Emisha Gormley
All right, I have a question for you.
- [49:44]
Rachel Zoe
But sure enough.
- [49:45]
Emisha Gormley
Are you excited, scared, nervous?
- [49:48]
Rachel Zoe
What? Are you scared and nervous?
- [49:49]
Emisha Gormley
Scared and nervous.
- [49:50]
Rachel Zoe
I'm always scared and nervous. I didn't watch the trailer until, like, 40 people told me it was good. I literally told my team. They're like, oh, my God. They just sent it to us. Do you want to watch it?
- [49:58]
Emisha Gormley
No.
- [49:58]
Rachel Zoe
Just tell me how it is.
- [49:59]
Molly Sims
Oh, no, I don't want to, like, watch it.
- [50:00]
Rachel Zoe
No, no. Just tell me how it is. Just tell me. Tell me anything bad first. Just hit me with the bad first. I think I have to ease into it, you know? You wanna watch it?
- [50:09]
Emisha Gormley
No, no.
- [50:10]
Rachel Zoe
I think Andy's gonna make me watch it, though. I know. I think it's.
- [50:13]
Molly Sims
Do you have to do those reunion things where they come on at the end?
- [50:16]
Rachel Zoe
I had to do everything.
- [50:17]
Emisha Gormley
Are you filming right now?
- [50:18]
Rachel Zoe
I'm shooting confessionals. I'm shooting interviews.
- [50:20]
Molly Sims
What's the confessionals?
- [50:21]
Rachel Zoe
It's like what I used to do on my show where they, like. Cause you shoot, right? But then when they obviously put the episodes together, they not come back and do the. Then they come back because they have to interview about, like, what you were thinking in those moments, you know?
- [50:34]
Molly Sims
And, like, she was a bitch, and she was really nice, and I couldn't believe she stabbed me in the back.
- [50:41]
Rachel Zoe
I just won't be scripted. You know what I mean? And they didn't, to be honest, like, they didn't try. Like, I would say that for me, the best part of this was that I really just got to roll.
- [50:53]
Emisha Gormley
Yeah.
- [50:53]
Rachel Zoe
I just got to roll and be you. I just got to. Yeah. And I just. I didn't think about the cameras. I didn't know they Were there most of the time honestly. And I just, I got. I just. I'm not an actor. Right. So it's like that. That would have been hard for me, you know. So that's why I'm a little nervous. It's gonna be great.
- [51:17]
Molly Sims
You're nervous?
- [51:18]
Rachel Zoe
God, Molly, what the fuck?
- [51:19]
Molly Sims
I'm excited.
- [51:20]
Emisha Gormley
I really want to binge watch it. So that's gonna be a problem.
- [51:22]
Molly Sims
I got to meet Lisa Barlow from the Salt Lake City fabulous.
- [51:27]
Rachel Zoe
Is she.
- [51:28]
Molly Sims
She was great. She's always dressed.
- [51:30]
Emisha Gormley
That's right.
- [51:31]
Molly Sims
Because you did the.
- [51:31]
Emisha Gormley
Watch what happens.
- [51:32]
Molly Sims
Yeah. With her. That's when they asked me about you.
- [51:35]
Rachel Zoe
I could have killed you didn't do anything wrong.
- [51:37]
Molly Sims
I know.
- [51:37]
Rachel Zoe
I was. You did not do anything wrong about you. And Rob's like, you're good babe. You're my friend for 400 years.
- [51:44]
Molly Sims
But yeah, she was awesome. Listen, it's. It's a. I mean she's.
- [51:48]
Rachel Zoe
It's a lot like I have another full time job. I can tell you that. I have another full time job job. Really? Yeah. You know, you guys, I think, listen, I'm a huge control freak unlike Molly. So I, I'm going to talk about Molly at the Halloween parade. You're such a. Guys. It was like 7am And Molly looks at me. I'm not caffeinated yet. And Molly looks at me and she goes, what time's called this? What time do they. I think. I think we're going to win. And I'm all like. I go. I was like, mind you, I'm like five years. It's like an Oscar novel. I go like this, I go, what are we winning? And you know, she was like the
- [52:25]
Molly Sims
parade, the parade, the parade.
- [52:27]
Rachel Zoe
And I just know my kids are never winning. Cause they just don't. They won't spend the time on the cot. They just won't like as much as I want to like they're just never gonna do it. So I'm like. I mean I got Kaius to be Federer there. Do you know how easy that was?
- [52:39]
Emisha Gormley
I am Molly's worst Halloween nightmare. I get all the costumes off of Amazon same.
- [52:45]
Molly Sims
No, I mean I literally said to those girls, I'm like, you are a roller coaster. Think method. Put your hands up til bat and scream. I'm like, you actually did you guys.
- [53:00]
Rachel Zoe
I saw it live. I am not kidding.
- [53:03]
Molly Sims
We practice the night before. We go up, we go back, we scream.
- [53:07]
Emisha Gormley
Meanwhile, I'm like the cliche with my minion.
- [53:10]
Rachel Zoe
I mean this is like out of.
- [53:11]
Emisha Gormley
I mean 9.99 on Amazon.
- [53:13]
Rachel Zoe
Emisha, I'm so here for it. Next year, I'm handing Caius to you, and you just turn him into what you want.
- [53:19]
Molly Sims
And gray won for 6, 7 with Johnny.
- [53:22]
Rachel Zoe
Of course he did.
- [53:23]
Emisha Gormley
6, 7.
- [53:23]
Molly Sims
Of course he does.
- [53:24]
Rachel Zoe
I just don't know what it is I do. I did sky as Harry Styles in sixth grade, and that was the last costume I was ever able to do
- [53:32]
Molly Sims
that was so good.
- [53:33]
Rachel Zoe
Tattooed him up. He looks.
- [53:35]
Emisha Gormley
I'm not into it.
- [53:36]
Rachel Zoe
Really.
- [53:37]
Emisha Gormley
I'm not a Halloween person.
- [53:38]
Rachel Zoe
I would date Harry Styles tonight.
- [53:39]
Emisha Gormley
I know.
- [53:40]
Rachel Zoe
Can Harry Styles ask me out? I think he's going. I think he's going out with someone. He's so cute. I mean, he's in my age bracket.
- [53:46]
Emisha Gormley
It's fine. Yeah, I'm here.
- [53:48]
Rachel Zoe
I'm here for that. I'm here for it. He's so hot.
- [53:50]
Emisha Gormley
Oh, my God. I did not find Harry Styles attractive until I went to his concert.
- [53:55]
Rachel Zoe
I just mean, like, I think, like. Like, Harry Styles is hot. But I was late. I was late to the Harry Styles thing in terms of, like, the music and everything. My team.
- [54:03]
Molly Sims
I always loved his music.
- [54:04]
Rachel Zoe
Well, but you're a little more in that, you guys. When I was filming, I literally. There were things that came at me and I was like. And I would go. And I'd be like, shit, this guy's gonna hear this.
- [54:17]
Molly Sims
I know.
- [54:18]
Rachel Zoe
They'd be like, how young is too young? I'm like, shouldn't have a 2 in front of it. Skyler's gonna.
- [54:23]
Emisha Gormley
I mean, you know, I have a
- [54:24]
Rachel Zoe
little girl crush on Dua Lipa girl. Suki Waterhouse is amazing. Watch how she's about to. She's already big.
- [54:35]
Molly Sims
Didn't she marry Robert Pattinson?
- [54:36]
Rachel Zoe
No, they're not married, but they have a baby. They have a baby. Okay, Suki.
- [54:40]
Emisha Gormley
I remember Suki from the days at next.
- [54:42]
Rachel Zoe
Very defensive about that. Molly, the next mom. You take that. I take that conversation real serious.
- [54:47]
Molly Sims
She's not married.
- [54:48]
Rachel Zoe
They are. They have a child.
- [54:50]
Emisha Gormley
He's hot, too. I always thought he was hot.
- [54:51]
Rachel Zoe
I can't. Okay, well, no, no.
- [54:53]
Molly Sims
I mean, I always could go on forever.
- [54:56]
Rachel Zoe
But again, I said the hardest part about doing this is stopping us.
- [55:00]
Emisha Gormley
We love you.
- [55:01]
Molly Sims
It's called the Rachel Zoe effect for
- [55:03]
Rachel Zoe
a reason, you guys. And by the way, I've always had lipstick on the rim of everything that I've ever had. Me and my mother. I mean, my mother. None of us will drink anything from her because there's always lipstick on the rim.
- [55:15]
Emisha Gormley
You say lipstick on the Rim a few more times.
- [55:17]
Rachel Zoe
And now. And my sky doesn't want to have my drinks because there's lipstick. Sky.
- [55:25]
Molly Sims
I saw sky this morning.
- [55:26]
Emisha Gormley
I feel like you should be our third co host.
- [55:28]
Rachel Zoe
Anytime, anytime, girly girls. You guys are the most fun. I love you for so long.
- [55:33]
Emisha Gormley
I'm so excited for you.
- [55:34]
Rachel Zoe
I think you're a new era. It is a new era.
- [55:37]
Emisha Gormley
I am here to cheer and watch and love you for it.
- [55:40]
Molly Sims
We're so excited for you. Next chapter.
- [55:42]
Emisha Gormley
Tell us about the hot dates.
- [55:45]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, I haven't been single since I was 19, so, you know, maybe 18, 19, I don't know. But it's wild to be, like, have that feeling again that you had as a teen.
- [55:56]
Molly Sims
Also to get nervous again. I remember one thing about Stuber. No one for a really long time opened a car door for me. And I always thought when you opened that car door for me, I was like, you're fucking hot.
- [56:08]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. I think that's the hottest thing ever.
- [56:10]
Molly Sims
Loved.
- [56:11]
Rachel Zoe
Guys, if there's one man listening to this.
- [56:13]
Emisha Gormley
No, it's true.
- [56:13]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, open the fucking car door.
- [56:16]
Molly Sims
The car door.
- [56:17]
Rachel Zoe
Stand up when we leave the table.
- [56:19]
Molly Sims
Stand up, pay the bill.
- [56:22]
Rachel Zoe
Nacho gets up. I know. Nacho always gets up.
- [56:25]
Molly Sims
Super gets up.
- [56:26]
Emisha Gormley
Mike. Mike is a gentleman.
- [56:28]
Rachel Zoe
Gentleman, then.
- [56:29]
Molly Sims
I want to kill him for snoring with Mike. But it's fine.
- [56:33]
Emisha Gormley
I'm gonna mouth tape him.
- [56:34]
Rachel Zoe
I can't. I'm. I'm never. You know how Melissa would. She'll, like, show herself sleeping with all the things. I'm like, bitch, you're six feet and hot. Like, you can do that as a joke. Like, cool. I'm not. I'm not doing this. I'm single. I'm not using. I also, to be honest, I don't sleep long enough to use any of those things. Do you know when you'll see me sleep? If I fly to Europe and I have jet lag. And you do that blackout, like in the holiday when Kate Winslet sleeps for, like, two days, then opens the blinds. That'll happen to me, like, twice a year.
- [57:01]
Molly Sims
I can sleep. She knows I can sleep, you guys.
- [57:04]
Rachel Zoe
It is one of your many gifts. Small.
- [57:05]
Emisha Gormley
I have a great. Like, I can sleep.
- [57:07]
Rachel Zoe
See, I don't see. That's rude to say to people like me.
- [57:09]
Molly Sims
Sorry, I can sleep.
- [57:11]
Rachel Zoe
It makes us hate you.
- [57:12]
Molly Sims
I slept on the way to Silver Lake.
- [57:13]
Rachel Zoe
Of course you did. This is gonna be three hours. Love you, love you, love you. If I don't leave, they're gonna throw me out the window.
- [57:21]
Molly Sims
We'll see you guys next week.
- [57:22]
Rachel Zoe
I love you on Lipstick on the Fucking Rim.
- [57:28]
Molly Sims
Thanks for listening. The Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims and My Ride or Die Emma Shaw Gormley. We are so excited to bring you guys along on this journey with us. You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at Lipstick on the Rim and Molly B. Sims. Or you go to my blog where you can dive just a little bit deeper into my favorite products, trends and more@mollysims.subsack.com and don't forget to check out our video episodes on my YouTube channel, Molly Sims. This podcast is production with Sony Music. I wanted to give a special thanks to my team, Rosie Cummings, Kenna Ryan, Sophine Kevorkin and everyone at Sony Music. Don't forget to listen and follow wherever you get your podcast so you never miss out on the fun.