Brooke Shields on Aging, Motherhood & Why She Rejects “Reinvention”

Summary

Lipstick on the Rim: Brooke Shields on Aging, Motherhood & Why She Rejects “Reinvention”
Date: May 26, 2026
Hosts: Molly Sims & Emese Gormley
Guest: Brooke Shields

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Episode Overview

This episode features legendary actress, model, and entrepreneur Brooke Shields in an honest, lively discussion about aging, confidence, motherhood, the myth of “reinvention,” and building her beauty brand Commence. Molly, Emese, and Brooke discuss navigating societal pressures, embracing every decade, raising daughters in the age of influencers, and practical beauty and wellness for women in midlife. The conversation is rich with personal anecdotes, advice, and unfiltered humor.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

Embracing Aging Fearlessly (05:23–09:16)

• Societal Pressure to Remain Young:
  Brooke addresses the cultural drive to dread aging, especially for women, and how she consciously rejects it.

  "We're taught by society, by marketing, by the beauty industry to dread anything other than our 20s… It's just not fair to women."
  — Brooke Shields (05:28)

• Value in Every Decade:
  Brooke sees each decade as a new beginning, focusing on the beauty and wisdom gained with age.

  "Each stage is the beginning of a new beginning. And I'm not Zen, but I refuse to be dictated to when the narrative is, you're not of value."
  — Brooke Shields (06:59)

Rejecting "Reinvention" & Revealing Your True Self (10:49–11:20)

• More Than Reinvention:
  Brooke prefers to think of later life as a revealing of new aspects of the self, rather than “reinvention.”

  "Reinvention sometimes, to me, means something's not right or it's broken ... To me, it's more about, oh, what more am I capable of?"
  — Brooke Shields (10:49)

• Motherhood & The Empty Nest:
  Brooke and the hosts discuss the feeling many mothers have of “losing themselves” after focusing on children, and how midlife can be a time to rediscover and invest in oneself.

Motherhood, Identity & Confidence (14:25–30:01)

• Raising Confident Daughters:
  Brooke shares the importance of modeling confidence, not just teaching it.

  “I tried to belittle myself so that I could make other people comfortable. And I'm as big as I can be now, and I'm fine with it.”
  — Brooke Shields (24:03)

• Body Image & The Modeling Industry:
  The discussion covers unrealistic sample sizes, apologizing for one’s presence, and learning to celebrate rather than diminish oneself.

• The Power of Feeling Loved in Childhood:
  The trio emphasizes that confidence often stems from feeling unconditionally loved by parents.

  “All I need to know is I'm lovable.”
  — Brooke Shields (28:50)

Navigating the Spotlight & Influencer Culture (15:36–23:45)

• Brooke’s Early Start & Industry Pitfalls:
  Brooke details growing up in the public eye, learning to anchor herself with normal schooling and valuing education for her own kids.

• Profit & Agency:
  She acknowledges the complexities of profiting from personal image, stating, “There should be no shame in understanding how to monetize yourself in a healthy way... My influencer journey was about longevity.” (19:02)

• Raising Kids in Today’s Digital World:
  Brooke candidly describes her daughter’s entrance into reality TV and her pragmatic, open-minded stance.

  “They work so hard, they work their asses off … I said to my daughter, look, I can't tell you not to do this, but I can tell you, don't be a fuck up.”
  — Brooke Shields (21:54)

Building Commence: Addressing an Overlooked Market (33:57–44:44)

• Inspiration for a Beauty Brand:
  Brooke became motivated to found Commence after noticing women over 40 are ignored and misrepresented by mainstream beauty marketing.

  “I started during COVID … I looked at all the marketing, and you're either the hot girl at the bar or you're in Depends.”
  — Brooke Shields (34:13)

• Science-Driven Formulation:
  She dives into how she worked to address scalp health in aging women, innovating with quaternized hyaluronic acid and plant-based formulas.

• Product Lineup & Highlights:
  Brooke describes practical solutions: instant shampoo/volumizer, a patent-pending dry shampoo with hyaluronic acid, and a detangler that’s gained unexpected popularity with moms.

• Brand Philosophy & Name:

  “The word 'commence' always signified new … Something that was on your terms.”
  — Brooke Shields (44:48)

Beauty, Skincare & Wellness Truths (48:48–54:27)

• Attitude Toward Cosmetic Procedures:
  Brooke is open to trying facials and lasers—up to but not including surgery or overuse of Botox, as facial expression is essential to her acting.

• Pilates & Fitness Over 50:
  She credits Pilates for her strength and tone, especially after injuries, and recommends it as a sustainable, effective practice as women age.

Advice To Younger Self & Women at Any Age (56:04–56:09)

• Self-Worth & Assurance

  “Just have faith in yourself. You're enough. You're good. You're talented. I just don’t think I ever believed I had talent.”
  — Brooke Shields (56:09)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Aging:
  “Society … tells you, you have no value if your ovaries don’t work anymore. And it’s like, it’s just not fair. … They’ve been telling me that for my entire life.”
  — Brooke Shields (05:28)

• On Motherhood:
  “Being a mother is no joke. … All I’ve done is try to let them know that I love them and support them and don’t judge them.”
  — Brooke Shields (12:51)

• On Confidence:
  “I stopped apologizing for just taking up space. … Women are told to apologize. … It’s just not fair.”
  — Brooke Shields (25:32/26:04)

• On the “Influencer” Label:
  “Gloria Steinem was one of the original influencers. … My whole influencer journey was about longevity … so that I can be 60, 70, 80, and have a life to look back on.”
  — Brooke Shields (19:02)

• On Crafting Commence:
  “Your pores on your scalp shrink from 40 on. … So they quaternized [hyaluronic acid]—made it small enough for the hair follicle to absorb.”
  — Brooke Shields (34:47/37:03)

• On Cosmetic Procedures:
  (Fraxel gone wrong anecdote):
  “I go to the bathroom and look at my face. My face is this big beet red. I look like I’ve got a pizza stuck to my face. I left. … Can you apologize to Daniel Craig, please?”
  — Brooke Shields (53:36)

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Important Timestamps

• 05:23 – Discussion on societal pressures around aging
• 10:49 – The difference between “reinvention” vs. “revealing” yourself
• 15:36 – Surviving the spotlight and industry pitfalls as a child star
• 19:02 – Monetizing one’s image/“influencer” insights
• 24:03 – Stopping apologizing, body image, and raising daughters
• 33:57 – Launching Commence and the beauty industry’s age gap
• 34:47 – Innovations in scalp and hair care for women 40+
• 48:48 – Brooke’s beauty/skincare regimen and approach to procedures
• 54:27 – Pilates, fitness, and adjusting wellness with age
• 56:04 – Advice to her 10-year-old self

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Episode Tone

Candid, irreverent, supportive, and empowering. The conversation is both light (full of laughter and banter) and deeply honest, with Brooke Shields sharing stories and lessons with warmth and humility.

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For Listeners Who Missed It…

This episode is an uplifting, real talk-packed guide for women (and mothers) navigating aging, motherhood, and self-worth in the modern world. Full of tips, relatable struggles, and encouragement, Brooke Shields gives a masterclass in aging unapologetically—and why every woman deserves to “commence” again, on her own terms.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, I'm Molly Sims.

[B]

And I'm Emisha Gormley.

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[A]

This is one of those guests this week that needs no introduction.

[B]

She has been an icon for decades.

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She's still an icon.

[A]

An actress, a model, a best selling author, an entrepreneur, a mother. At 60, she is more confident, more energized, truthfully more inspiring than ever before she launched her company, commenced. We're going to talk all about, we're going to deep dive Brooke Shields. We are so happy to have you on lipstick on the rim. I can't even tell you how.

[B]

Are you 60, by the way?

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I didn't know that. You look like you're 61.

[B]

You look 15 years younger in a row.

[D]

One year at a time.

[A]

Listen, you know, I've known you personally for quite a while now. I remember I was sitting next to her in the Hamptons. This was like, I don't know, seven, eight years ago. And I was auditioning for the View and. And she was like, you sure about that? And she's like, I kind of know you and I kind of know.

[B]

And it was just so funny.

[D]

I, I had been through the ringer. Yeah. With them as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So I just, I, you know, and, and I wasn't, I wasn't being judgmental. I was just trying to share perspective.

[A]

No, you were being such a girls girl and which I love about you and you were exactly my temperament of being never feeling good about if I say something right or if I say something wrong or if I'm on the left or on the right or like it just for me, it wasn't, it wasn't a medium that I was really comfortable with and it just kind of clocked me and made me think and yeah, you're the best. Always the best. We have so many questions. But I just want to talk about, you know, on this week's episode of just aging fearlessly, confidence, a little bit of the N word, reinvention and thriving. Look, every decade has been just so different for you. It's like your, your teens, your 20s, your 30s, your 40s, your 50s. I've heard in interviews you say, I'm doing really well, I'm happy, I'm thriving. And I think a lot of women start to think and dread turning 61, turning 51, turning 41. And I think you just embody that. Every chapter, every decade is. Every decade is. A chapter is like, OK, it's another 10 years.

[B]

Is that why you look so good?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Thank you. I think that we're taught by society, by marketing, by the beauty industry to

[A]

dread

[D]

anything other than our 20s. You have no value if your ovaries don't work anymore. You've got no value if X, Y and Z. And it's like, it's just not fair. It's not fair to women. Like, I'm always going to look and want to look and feel my best, but I'm not in my 20s. I'm going to be 61. Like, I'm. Is the women that I, that I know, that are in this era, 50, 60s, 70s, are these beautifully in. In. They're ingrained in their life, like their life has taught them. They are. They're full human beings and there's beauty in that. And I, I don't want to. I just don't want society to tell me that I should dread where I am. They've been telling me that for my entire life.

[A]

And listen, I'm not saying you've never looked better. Like, I can even see it in your energy, like you are owning it. I think what I would want to know, and I think if you, you know, you fast forward, but then you look back, like, what would you say to a woman 35, 40, 45. Like, what would you have done different during that time that, you know now?

[D]

I don't think I would have chased so hard. So I think you start to disintegrate in your opinion of yourself. Like, when you're younger, you're insecure, but for kind of more obvious reasons. Then you get to like, your 30s and, and you start to find all the reasons why you don't have value, because that's what the world is telling you. And I would say just, it's the beginning. Like, each stage is the beginning of a new beginning. And I'm not Zen. I have no, nothing Zen about me, but I just refuse to be dictated to when the narrative is, you're not of value. And I have daughters who are in their 20s. And each thing, each age has a milestone. If you want to have children, yes, there's a time frame if you want to do certain things. Society says there's a timeframe. But then you get to your 40s and your 50s and now my 60s, and it's all on my own terms. And I think that that's liberating in a way. Look, I'm not going to be the ingenuity, but I can still be creative and I can still work and I can still act and I can still do what I want to do creatively. So I think that I would tell. And I tell my girls, and I'm going to keep telling them. There are certain things biologically, if those are things you want, child bearing is just. Is the biggest clock. But beyond that, it's. It really is on your own terms. And it. I just, I think it's empowering to be able to be this, in this era of my life and still be working.

[B]

I think that's so true.

[A]

I think it's so true and so well said. And I think for you, you know, since you were in your teens, you've had a special spotlight on your body, your face, what you look like, how you present to the world. And after so many decades, I mean, that is not easy on anyone, right?

[D]

Everyone's picking the spotlight on what I wasn't.

[B]

What I love about what you just said is you can reinvent yourself as well. Like, you can start and change and pivot and do something completely different. Like I look at Molly starting a beauty brand in her late 40s, you starting this company in your 50s, right? Like, I think that there's something so empowering where there is no timeline on it. Like, I think that is.

[A]

Well, I think that's what our audience, and we have a lot of moms, you know, who, you know, they still want to be seen, they still want to have another chapter, they still want to be relevant. And sometimes they end up becoming paralyzed because they don't know how to go forward. But then they're kind of like, they don't want to go backwards. So they don't. They just stay put.

[B]

I think the biggest thing, and I'm curious what your thoughts are on this is what I have seen with so many women is a lot of women take them, they sort of put their own life on hold when they have kids. And so I've seen so many friends of mine who were baller finance women working at Goldman Sachs in New York, you know, lawyers, and then they make the decision to be at home and raise their kids, which is a job, and then their kids at One point, wake up and go. They don't really need them the same way anymore. They can start to drive themselves to school. There's all these things that happen and they wake up and they go, crap, what have I done? And I always. I say, it's never too late. And I'd love, like, your thoughts because I think, you know, you started this company at a stage that I think a lot of women would be afraid to do.

[D]

Well, there's a couple of things to. To touch upon you. You both have said the word reinvention, and I think that that's a. That's a exciting work. But I. I look at it more as a revealing, a revealing of. Of parts of myself that I just never tapped into. A reinvention sometimes, to me, means something's not right or it's broken and let's fix it, let's reinvent the wheel, let's redo this. And to me, it's more about like, oh, what more am I capable of?

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I love that, too.

[D]

I'm not negating anything you just said. I'm just saying, like, to me, I'm like, no, wait, I wasn't broken and needed to be fixed. I was this. And now I want to be more of this. And so that's that part also. It's a choice, but it's not like a giving up of. I mean, again, my kids wanted to be with me last night. They are 20 and 23 boyfriends, the whole thing. And I thought, you know what? That's because of the time I gave to them. Now do I look at it like, oh, I sacrificed my career. You know what? I can't look at it that way because that's not going to be what I remember when I'm on my deathbed. That joy is something that was nurtured. And however, my career is also really, really prominent in my heart and psyche. Like, I need that. I need to be an actress. I need to create. I started a company when I had no knowledge of any of it. And it's been the hardest thing I've ever done. And It's a struggle 24 7, and I'm not backed by any big company, but I'm making a difference for women in this era of their lives. And that's what I set out to do. The commerce version of it. I just need to figure out the business more. But that's just. It is just as a woman, we multitask. We are mothers. And being a mother is no joke. It's just no Joke. And however you decide to mother is your prerogative. And I don't think I've done it any better than anybody. All I've done is try to let them know that I love them and support them and don't judge them. They may get in trouble, there's consequences, but it's not for them having their own opinions and thoughts. And to me, it's really difficult. I watched my two kids get in a car yesterday. We were out east and they both got in a car and they drove into the city. I saw the car drive away and I just. I was gutted. I was like, oh, my God, who am I? I have no purpose. What am I doing? And it was so interesting to me because my. My roommate from college said to me the other day, she was like, I think I've abandoned myself. I feel like I've abandoned myself. And I said, don't look at it like that. You've been a great mom. You've launched your children. They know they can come home to you, emotionally, physically, whatever. And now you have this era to focus on yourself. That's all.

[B]

So many women feel that way. I feel like I hear that constantly. And I have a generation of friends that live in my town that are a generation older than I am. Their kids are off to college and they're empty nesters and they are kind of lost. They're a little lost.

[D]

Oh, it's a terrible feeling because you literally don't know what you're here for.

[A]

I'll be 90 by the time that happens to me.

[D]

They come back and then you wish they would leave.

[A]

You had a incredible. Last January, you wrote a New York Times bestseller called Not Allowed to Get Old. And you explore the humility and the power of aging. I love the book. I was a big fan. I want to just take the audience back a little bit about kind of what you went through and the spotlight that was put upon you. How did you learn at a young age to deal with that pressure, that pressure of always being in the spotlight, always being judged? And what advice if you were giving a mom now to their daughter, to the son, that a takeaway of like, this is how I got through it? Because you had some. You had some tricky times, okay?

[D]

We all have tricky times. It's like my tricky times have happened to have been in the public eye. It doesn't make them more tricky or less tricky. It's like, I was lucky enough maybe I never had anonymity, and therefore it wasn't ripped away from me. I Learned it early. And I was so focused on keeping my mother alive because my mother was very, very delicate and she was tough, but she was an alcoholic. And all I knew is I needed. I wanted to keep her alive. So that kind of attention focused on her sort of made my life and fame inconsequential, because she was more important than that. The other thing, too, is I always lived in New York. I always went to regular schools. I went to regular high school, regular grade school, regular college. So I think that that type of normalcy or that more conventional upbringing from an education standpoint really helped ground me. You know, you ask a kid today what they want to be when they grow up, and many of them say famous, and you're like, oh, wait, I'm sorry. Or they're like, I'm an influencer. I'm like, really? Good luck with that. Good luck with that. I was an influencer.

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Good luck with putting yourself out there.

[B]

My oldest is in middle school, and they have 21st century skills, is like, a thing they have in their classes. And so they go through different segments and. And they've done coding for one. They've done design and technology, which is, like, so weird. They're doing woodworking still in school, which made me a little happy. But then she comes home one day and she's like, mom, I need your help. Cause I do, unfortunately, content at this point in my life, and I'm grateful for it. But it is also a very humbling and embarrassing thing to do when you're. You know, I'm almost 48 years old. I'm like, this is who I am. And she goes, we're doing a whole segment right now on influencers. And she's in sixth grade, and they had to do a presentation where they filmed a video to pitch a product and sell it in 60 seconds. So it's something that is now being taught in schools. I mean, there's courses in college.

[A]

No, I know.

[B]

It's crazy.

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It's a totally different world. It's not a book report.

[D]

Maybe it's priming them for something that I'm wildly crazy. To me, maybe it desensitizes them in a positive way. I don't. I don't.

[B]

The only thing that I can think that it does, honestly, is that it shows them that it actually. It's not as easy. Right. Like, you think it's easy, but then also, it is a job, right? So.

[A]

Well, that's the thing. I mean, the moment she stepped out into the world as an actress, as a child, Actor. Someone was making money off of her, of her. I have a lot of people ask me, oh, are you gonna let Scarlett model? Are you gonna do this? And what people don't realize, it's a business that other people made off and profitable off of your body, your face, your image. Brooke can talk, you know, a thesis, a book about it. It's a slippery slope.

[D]

Yeah, but you gotta understand too, I profited as well. Like, I'm not a victim here. It's also like this whole thing about sex sells and whatever. Well, yeah, and it's been selling for fucking decades, like hundreds of years. They might have profited off of me, but then I got to be in a bigger apartment with my mom. We got a car. I got to pay for my own high school. My dad had to pay for it, but then I got to pay for it. And yes, there is negative parts about all of it, and if you address that head on. But what I also know is that I learned early how to use myself to have more in life. Whether it was a better education, whether it was a better quality of living, whether it was eventually better education for my kids. There should be no shame in understanding how to monetize yourself in a healthy way. I look at the word influencer and I think, well, we've all been affected. Gloria Steinem was one of the original influencers. Like, you look at these women, you look at these people that stood up for something and that's an influencer. It's a little bit, to me, it's a little bit more frivolous now, and it's a little more short lived. My whole influencer journey was about longevity. It was about how do I maintain this so that I'm not a flash in the pan, so that I can be 60, 70, 80, and have a life to look back on and a family that I support.

[A]

And I think you've done that so well. I think, you know, with grace, with grace, with elegance, with kindness. You know, I look at you not, you know, not just as a model, as an actress, but just as a mom. And like, you're always, you know, giving back with your friends. And I think that is who I've seen for so many years. And I agree with you. I mean, I. I just have a really hard time when I see younger kids starting to come into the influencing world.

[D]

We don't talk to them appropriately, though. Look, I've got a daughter who's on a frigging reality show, okay? I wanted to throw up and die when that happened. So when I.

[A]

She's very good.

[D]

Oh, my God. I was like, you've got to be kidding. I was like, we're not a reality family. Oh, my God. I've worked my whole life to have a career, not to be ha. And yet I'm like, okay, all right. By the way, Kardashians are some of the hardest workers I've ever, ever, ever seen in my life.

[A]

And you're hearing Brooke Shields say that everyone always asks, you think that they work.

[D]

They work so hard, they work their asses on.

[B]

And people like working with them. Like, that's the thing. Never heard a bad thing about them. Yes.

[D]

And that. And you talk to their mother. And that, that is. That is work ethic. That is. So I said to my daughter, look, I can't tell you not to do this, but I can tell you, don't be a fuck up.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Understand this. If you understand this. If you look at it as an opportunity and you look at Bravo and Peacock and you look at that and you look at who those people are and you look at the next moment, then, then, then that's called longevity. That's gonna, like, listen, the stuff that I've done in my career that I'm not, I didn't covet, but it got me to the next place. And all along the way, I had a good work ethic. I was kind, I was hardworking, and I took advantage of the situation and I tried to parlay it into something else. So that's what, like the word influencer is thrown around so often. Like, I've got one daughter in that world. My other daughter is in college. She's a going to be a junior. You know, she wants to model. And I was like, you know what? I'm not going to tell you not to do it, but you're going to get an education and you're going to have intelligence with regards to every choice that you make. And I can get you in the room maybe once, but I can't keep you in the room.

[A]

Yeah, that's the best advice.

[D]

I mean, it's on you.

[A]

That's what I say to people when they ask me, try to get an education. Have her go to the prom, have her get, you know, a diploma. Have it. Try to have a normal. And then, sure, have at it.

[D]

But again, life is gonna keep happening more. That's what I even said about college. I was like, do yourself a favor. These are the last four years that you don't have to be responsible. Enjoy it.

[B]

What? Have you stopped apologizing for at this point in your life,

[D]

for being used to apologize for everything. I'm sorry I'm pretty. I'm sorry I'm smart. I'm sorry I'm in the. And I'm too big in the room, and I'm sorry. It was like every single thing. I tried to belittle myself so that I could make other people comfortable. And I'm as big as I can be now, and I'm fine with it because I'm. Because I'm not hurting anybody.

[B]

Well, I think that's teaching your daughters, apologizing. I always think that's, like, the best gift you can teach your daughters is confidence.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Absolutely. Well, and they don't. It's very hard to teach. And they. They've seen me be insecure. They've helped me have more body positivity, because they're in a culture in an age where they celebrate their bodies and their curves.

[A]

Literally. We were literally just talking about this.

[D]

I used to back out of rooms because I thought my ass was big. Trust me.

[A]

I would pretend I had to go to the bathroom because I'm like, oh, my God, My. My ass is not going to fit in this sample size 2, which was really a zero, which is really was a negative zero. And I would start sweating and be like, what the fuck?

[D]

I've cried more often on photo shoots probably than I've ever would like to admit, because I will say to them, please don't bring me Runway samples. My hands don't fit into a Runway.

[C]

Wrist.

[D]

You can't get into the sleeve. I'm 5 10. I can't get into the sleeve. And I. And then I stopped. I was like, you know what? Stop. I don't want to be made to feel less than. And, like, they've taught me to celebrate my body more. I've stopped apologizing for just taking up space. And I think women are told to apologize. You know, when women go, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, instead of, oh, excuse me.

[B]

Yep.

[D]

You know, it's. It's all, I'm sorry. Everything is. We begin with I'm sorry, and that's not fair. It's just not fair.

[B]

I think that's actually an excellent. That is an excellent practice to start to implement when you catch yourself wanting to say, I'm sorry, say, I'm Canadian. So I. We apologize for just walking in a room. Like, it's just very much a part

[C]

of who we are.

[D]

That's a very Canadian thing.

[A]

And I'm Southern, so I apologize, and I have guilt over apologize. Yeah, yeah. So I'm one step.

[B]

We're constantly guilty, and we're constantly apologizing.

[D]

So it's just a Southern Canadian, Catholic. We're screwed.

[B]

But I like that. I think, to your point, you said you can't teach confidence, but I think that you can lead by example with your kids. And I think, you know, one of the things I am so I grew up with immigrant parents, no money, but I felt love all the time. That is the one thing that I always say to people. I was overweight. I had glasses that were this thick. I looked like I was 9 years old. When I was 15, my dad wouldn't let me get. I mean, I was a hot mess. My mother still dressed me in sailor stripes in high school. Like, I was a raging loser. I had no idea I was a loser. I was so confident, so happy. I had one friend, and I'd sit and eat my bagel sandwich under the stairwell, and I was oblivious. I didn't even know I wasn't invited to party. I didn't even know parties existed.

[C]

I had no clue.

[B]

But I felt so.

[D]

I was never invited to parties.

[C]

I felt so loved.

[B]

And I think that's something that built my confidence. And I think that's what I always say to people when we talk about our kids, is just show them that they're loved and safe. I know. And that really is the quickest way to build confidence.

[D]

People wanted my mother to be a demon. They wanted her to be the, you know, the bad guy and the demon and the. She's alcoholic, and she was a single mom. And I never doubted that I was loved. I never doubted it. And I know people and people I'm very close to, and their belief that their mother didn't love them has set the tone for their whole lives, their entire lives. Their entire lives. How they parent, who they believe they are, their relationships. And, like, I never doubt it. She was flawed and had her. I mean, it was amazing what my mom dealt with as a human being, because she never felt loved by her evil mother. And I didn't doubt it. I was like, but I'm lovable. That's all I need to know is I'm lovable.

[B]

And it's a really easy. You don't need.

[A]

I just loved how you talked about your relationship in the book. I loved it. I. You know, I didn't know the whole story until I read it.

[D]

She was badass, my mom. She was like. She was. She would talk about a hot mess she was a hot mess. But, man, she would. She was on your side. She would kill for you. Like, literally.

[B]

That's all you can ask for, right? I think that's all I could ask for with my parents and your big mama, she was the same.

[D]

I mean, and my girls are. It's interesting because now they're starting to be able to share with me their perspective on things. And now they're more adult in how they talk to me. And my older daughter is in journalism and on. Wants to be on camera. And she know. She said to me, you've. This is what you've taught me. And you're like, she was never afraid to try something. Whether she failed or not, was not even. It was inconsequential, you know, And I

[A]

was speaking to Brooks about. It's the best example of what. It's not about playing it safe. It's not about, oh, I did everything right, or, oh, I. Oh, don't worry, I didn't mess up. But like that.

[C]

That.

[A]

I mean, that is.

[B]

Take the shot.

[A]

You gotta take the shot. You know, if one thing I can teach you, through sports, through momming, through you.

[B]

Life. Yeah.

[A]

Through life.

[D]

Lose big.

[A]

Lose big.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

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[D]

We have to talk beauty. Commence.

[B]

We have to talk so many things.

[A]

Okay, let's start. You are known for your beauty. You are known for your hair. What possessed you at. In your 50s, like me to start an incredible company? How did this come about?

[D]

I started during COVID and I literally started a conversation with women my age, and we. I, like, went all over the world, and I started these talks with women because I just couldn't understand why I was finally happy with my body. With, like. I was like, I'm good. I'm good enough. I'm enough. I'm fine. And I wasn't being marketed to, and I looked at all the marketing in the beauty industry, and you're either the hot girl at the bar or you're in. Depends on that. Or you're.

[A]

We're very aligned. Brooke and her messaging, it's like, oh, you're.

[D]

You're a grandmother or you're like 12, right? And I mean, bless the conversation around menopause. Naomi's a really good friend of mine, and I. I'm so happy that that conversation, just like postpartum is a part of the zeitgeist. But we're not just that. We haven't jumped over fertility to, you know, geriatric. And I just. It started getting me crazy because I thought these women in this era of their life, they're the most vibrant that I've ever met. And I started talking to them, and they inevitably were asking me about my hair. So I do what I always do because I'm like a perpetual student. I went into the lab, I started asking about the biology. I started doing research. I started looking at the scalp of women. What. Let's look at not just this part that you see, but let's look at the root, the scalp, and see how it affects the growth of your hair. Because we were all experiencing lackluster thinning. There was a dullness. There was like. I was like. I was losing hair. I was like, what's happening? And it was all because of my biology. And so I thought, okay, well, if they're asking me, this community is asking me to problem solve, I'm not going to go on to skincare because there's just too much out there. And what is. Where. Where is the white space in this demographic? And it was hair. So I started a hair care line for women over 40. Things that, like, nobody knows this. Your pores on your scalp shrink from 40 on. I didn't Know that hyaluronic acid. Hyaluronic acid is too big a molecule for your scalp pores to absorb. Because it's impeded by a hair follicle, your skin can still absorb it. We all love hyaluronic acid. Your scalp cannot absorb it.

[A]

My scalp, as I've gotten older, has

[D]

gotten drier and patchy dry.

[B]

Patchy dry. That's a great way of saying it.

[A]

Patchy dry.

[D]

So what I did was I went into the lab and I said, put hyaluronic acid in this product. And they said, well, we can't. It's too big. I said, we'll make it smaller. You guys are lab, you're whatever. Just biologists. Just make it smaller. And they're like, okay. Three weeks later, they came back and they're like, miss, Miss, we did it. And I said, okay. So they quaternized it. So they made it small enough for the hair follicle to be able to absorb it. And so it's a wet formula in a dry rice powder. That was our first product. It was an instant shampoo. It ends up being a really good volumizer. But then I came out with a root serum. And, yeah, the root.

[A]

This is the root serum.

[D]

This is new. This is all new. I mean, this is ridiculous. This is new hair. This isn't breakage, that's gray, but this is new hair. That's crazy because I've been formulating it.

[A]

Will you take us through the line? I have everything here. I have this, the shampoo of the conditioner. I have the root. I am obsessed with your detangler. Scarlet actually uses this.

[B]

Oh, I need to get that for my house. Yeah.

[A]

It's so good.

[D]

But if you have little kids, too, if you've got blonde kids, or little blonde kids even in particular, they will let you comb their hair.

[B]

I have a receiving line. In the morning of detangling, they all start. They literally all line up. And I see spray and I brush out their tangles every single morning is what this is.

[D]

Because their little heads also, when they. If they like, you know, go back and forth on their bed, it gets really matted.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

And it's. It's not. It's not designed for those babies. But all the moms I know are using it on. On their kids. And, you know, listen, we're not backed. We're not backed by a big company. I've financed this whole thing by myself. I'm in a fundraise right now. Like, this is no joke. And it being part of a startup is just the hardest thing I've ever done. But people respond that to the product, and I'm going to fight till the end.

[A]

What's one mistake women make when trying to create volume that actually works against them?

[D]

You kind of have to create volume at the root. Like, the volume isn't about more hair. It's about finding a way to sort of give it volume from the root out. Right. Which can be an instant shampoo. We use that as a volumizer. It's also starting when you wash and condition your hair. A lot of the time, conditioners lay on top of the hair and they just weight it down. For instance, like, shampoos are not supposed to lather. I need a lather. I'm from the 80s. I need my shampoo to lather. If it doesn't lather, I don't feel like I'm washing my hair. So we found a way. I said, it needs to lather. And they go, well, lather is not good. I said, no, lather is not good if it's stripping your hair.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

Find a way. Oat. Oat actually is a lathering component. So we're all plant based. Completely plant based. But so to clean your hair from the root is the first thing, because you're. You're allowing it to be clean, not stripped. But then the conditioner conditions from the inside out. There's this thing that you go in the lab, and they put one hair, the end of one strand in a clamp, and they put the other one in another clamp, and then they pull it, and where it breaks is a measure of its elasticity. Then they put our conditioner on, and because it doesn't lay on top, it actually penetrates from the inside. Like, I've seen this with my own eyes. Then they clamp it, and they clamp it, and where it breaks is that much more so that you've created moisture and elasticity from the inside. So all those are things that anything that weighs your hair down does not help with volume.

[A]

We're also learning, like, too much protein can break your hair.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Like, there was this whole thing. I don't really want to talk about the company.

[D]

Too much of anything.

[A]

Too much of anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

That's why I go to Tequila.

[B]

Here's a question I have for you, because I personally don't. This has been a long standing topic on our podcast. I don't like to wash my hair very often. How often should women wash their hair as they get older? Is there, like, a magic Number I

[D]

think it's a matter of choice. But if you like to wash your hair every day, you have to choose something that's not gonna strip your scalp of the necessary oils. Right. So I don't wash my. I wash my hair every three or four days.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

If I could go a week. If I have a really good blowout and I want it to last, it's a. I can do six days. But it's not really about your hair as much as it is about your scalp. So it's like, the reason why our instant shampoo does so well is because if I have a. If I have a good blowout and then I take a Pilates class and I sweat, I still don't want to ruin the blowout. So then it's a powder. But then you also. If you rub it in like that, it breaks open the hyaluronic acid.

[A]

It smells so good. And you go under too.

[D]

Yeah, you go under and you do that. So I don't wash my hair, but three or four days.

[B]

You know what I like about it? Because sometimes powders can deteriorate.

[C]

Talc.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This doesn't feel powdery. It feels really, like, light and fluffy.

[D]

But also, here's what it does it literally. I always think of it as, like little army people, and they're like this, and then they go. Because the hyaluronic acid, when it's broken open, delivers moisture where your scalp is dry and patchy. And then the rice powder absorbs the extra sebum and oil. So it is. I can go to a Pilates class, then just spray it on my roots and still keep a good blowout.

[B]

So it's basically an instant shampoo meets a dry shampoo.

[D]

It is a dry shampoo, but any woman over 40 doesn't like the word dry.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Got it.

[D]

Love it. So that's why I called it an instant.

[A]

I like that because we actually, the

[D]

two in one just means it's hydrating as well. Well, as it absorbs oil.

[B]

So this is what has the hyaluronic. The hyaluronic in the powder. Okay.

[D]

That's amazing that we have a patent. Patent pending on it. And we're the only in dry shampoo on the market that has hyaluronic acid embedded in it, so.

[B]

Oh, that's amazing.

[A]

How did you come up with the name?

[D]

So the company originally was called Beginning is Now, because I couldn't get beginning. I couldn't get the beginning. I couldn't get. Now go, daddy. I couldn't get Anything. So beginning is now was what the big parent company was and nobody could remember it. So I went back and I was like, christ, what do I do? I was like, I need a word. I need one word. And to me, commence was. This word commencer in French has a very different meaning. I was a French major because I'm all lofty and the word commence always signified new. The beginning of the beginning, something new, something that was on your terms that you even commencement speakers when they're talking to graduates who are about to start their lives. So I researched and I was able to get the word commence.

[B]

I love that it's an elegant way of saying start.

[A]

Start.

[B]

It's an elegant way of saying start.

[D]

By the way, you can't get start. Can't get start. You can't get begin. None of those words you can get. How we got commence I have no idea. Wow.

[C]

I'm going to commence.

[B]

Commence. How about that?

[A]

I'm going to commence.

[D]

Commence. Thank you.

[B]

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[A]

Let's talk a little bit about what do you do. Do you do facials? Do you do lasers? What's your skincare?

[D]

I'll do anything for, like, for real. I just don't want to go under the knife.

[A]

Like, you don't need to.

[B]

You don't need it.

[D]

But, but, like, but, but honestly, like, all of it. I'll laser. But, like, if I don't have this, if I don't have a frown, like, but maybe there's too many wrinkles. And then I'll. Like, but then the times that I've. If I've done Botox too much, I feel like going, I don't like. And as an actress, you know, I went on and be like, don't take my baby. So marriage. Like, I'm always worried I will have no expression.

[A]

But you do not. You do not need it.

[B]

You really don't.

[D]

Thank you. I mean, listen, if I get a good mascara, a good glam squad, and good makeup, I will try almost anything, as long as it doesn't alter who I am. Like, I don't love this, but I don't want to look.

[B]

I know that either.

[D]

You know what I mean? Like, I'm so afraid to become homogenous. Like, I know.

[C]

And it's also your eyebrows.

[A]

Your eyebrows. Your eyes are so strong. Like, you don't like that carries your.

[B]

Your eyebrows, really. I think when you. When you see someone with too thin eyebrows, I think that's aging. And you have those brows that.

[D]

Like, lots of brows, but they're great. Like, there's gray. So now I have to, like, find the gray ones. And like, I do that.

[A]

I do that.

[B]

I have gray eyebrows since I was 26 years old, probably.

[A]

Yeah, I'll have one stark white one. Who's your favorite derm in the city, dermatology wise?

[D]

It depends. Like, I go to Liz Hale. She does my cancer checks. Alexiatis. Like, it depends on what I need at the time. I think there's different doctors for different needs.

[A]

Yeah, we talk about that.

[B]

I love Dr. Marnie Nussbaum in the city. I don't know if you've ever gone to her. She's my go to.

[D]

I've met her and gone to her for something. I can't remember what it was.

[A]

She's very good.

[B]

She's great. She's Very natural. She goes very soft.

[D]

McCreen is also another one that's like. She's. She's a Greek doctor, and she's really good with laser, and she's really good with, you know, late, like, lasering and that kind of a thing. So I don't. I don't know about the. A lot of the other stuff, but call me in a year.

[A]

What kind of lasers do you like?

[D]

The ones that don't give you that. What's the fraxel? Is that laser?

[A]

No. Yeah, that's Fraxel. Have you done Fraxel?

[D]

Oh, so you get a load of this. I did fraxel ones years ago, and it was like my skin was like a baby's butt. I was so excited. I was like, oh, my God, this is amazing. A couple of years later, I did it again. But I guess she went up on the level or something like that. And I looked like I had been burned in a fire. Like, I was just. I was beat. Beat red. But I didn't really notice it on myself that much. And I. And my friend said, hey, there's a screening. Will you come? And I said, well, I just had a frax. And she goes, don't worry. There's no press. You can just. Just come. I was like, no problem. So I go to the screening, and I haven't looked in the mirror, and I see Daniel Craig. So I go up to him, I'm like, oh, my God, it's so nice to meet you. Often people confuse me with your wife. Now, there's no answer to that. Like, what's he supposed to say? Thank you, you're welcome. There's no response. So I did to him what other people do to me where there's no answer. Like, my daughter looks like you. Thank you. Like, there's just no response, Right? So I literally was like, oh. Oh. You know, I get mistaken for your wife all the time. And he looks at me with this really weird face. And I was like, you're weird. Okay. Right. I go to the bathroom and look at my face. My face is this big beet red. I look like I've got a pizza stuck to my face. I left. I just left. I left. I got in a cab and I went home and I called my girlfriend. I'm like, can you apologize to Daniel Craig, please? Can you please apologize? I look like a crazy person telling him that I look like his wife. Which, by the way, there's no reason to tell him that other than to give myself a compliment, because I think his Wife is lovely. Oh, my God.

[B]

That's the best story.

[A]

That's the best story. You're executive producing. You're starring a murder mystery called you'd're Killing me.

[B]

Ooh, I love a murder mystery.

[A]

We do. We love a murder mystery. Tell us about it just really quickly.

[D]

It's for AMC Acorn. It's in the only murders in the building genre, Murder She Wrote. It's a really sweet, funny comedy that has a lot of physical comedy in it. Two women, one younger, one my age, we solve mysteries together in a small little town in Maine. And it's a miracle how many people die in this town on a weekly basis. Somebody dies.

[A]

We did a little. Ask me anything. You have been such a big proponent on Pilates. What do you love about it and how has it changed your body?

[D]

So I've had so many injuries and my whole body is like metal on the right side and I've had so many surgeries and so as a person who's only ever danced and then been injured, Pilates was the only thing that rehabilitated me. I was able to strengthen and stretch and there's no impact. So for me my age, things like no far method or tremble, those are things that like I can't even do soul cycle in the way that I used to because I just don't. I don't have the impact ability on my knees and things like that. So in this age of my life and yoga is sometimes very hard. So Pilates.

[A]

You never looked better. I mean, you look so good. You look so toned. Toned.

[D]

It's.

[B]

Yeah, it's you.

[D]

I work really hard at it because you have to work harder. As, as I've gotten older, it takes more to find and then have the benefits. But if you can find a Pilates is. Is if you can find Pilates, that will make you sweat. That's. That's what I have found in no far and in Trumbull and those are two sort of meth. The methodology is different, but, but very beneficial.

[B]

Well, whatever it takes to look remarkable. Even close like you. I truly, I had no idea until we sat down that you were actually

[A]

almost 61 years old. No, I did.

[B]

I thought you were.

[A]

I knew from my producer, but to

[B]

15 years younger, genuinely.

[D]

I don't know why I thought.

[A]

I thought you were early 50s. I know that sounds crazy.

[D]

Bless you.

[A]

We always ask every guest before they go, if you could give advice to your 10 year old self, what would it be?

[D]

Just have faith in yourself. You're enough. You're good. You're talented. I just don't think I ever believed but I had talent.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

You're talented, you're graceful, you're intelligent.

[A]

You're all the things long time in the making. Thank you for coming on. We're so lucky to have you on our listening. We will be so excited, you guys. Shopcommence C o M M e n c e.com make sure and follow Brooke Shields official on TikTok and Brookshields. We love you. We love your story. We love following you. Loved. I even loved when you dated Andre Agassi. I loved everything about it.

[D]

Oh, I married him.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[D]

Yeah, I went so far as to marry the guy.

[A]

I forgot about that.

[D]

Yeah, I needed a starter. I needed my starter.

[A]

Well, you're having a great day. I love you. Hopefully I'll see you out in the Hamptons.

[D]

I hope so.

[A]

Thanks for listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims and My Ride or Die Emma Shagormali. We are so excited to bring you guys along on this journey with us. You can find us on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok at Lipstick on the Rim and at Molly B. Sims or my website where you can dive deeper into our favorite products and [e-mail] this podcast is a joint production between Dear Media and Pod People. A very, very special thanks to Ashley Kasparian, Shaffer Carillo, Anne Fuze, Matt Saf, Elana Goldwasser, Brittany Hyde, Michelle Harrison and everyone at Dear Media. Make sure to follow Lipstick on the Rim and leave us a review wherever you get your podcast so you never, ever, ever miss out on fun.