Classic Isn't Basic: Annie Meyers-Shyer on Designing a Home That Lasts

Summary

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Lipstick on the Rim: "Classic Isn’t Basic – Annie Meyers-Shyer on Designing a Home That Lasts"

Host: Molly Sims & Emese Gormley
Date: July 28, 2026
Guest: Annie Meyers-Shyer (@thisoakhouse)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Lipstick on the Rim welcomes Annie Meyers-Shyer—writer, content creator, and the eye behind the popular design account @thisoakhouse. Annie joins Molly and Emese to discuss building a home with character, the intersection of fashion and interiors, why "classic" design shouldn’t be mistaken for "basic," and tips from her most-anticipated book, “This Oak House: A Renovation Story with Interiors to Inspire Your Own Home.” Through candid and actionable insights, Annie encourages listeners to create inviting, honest spaces that feel like home—regardless of trends or budget.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Annie’s Journey: From Fashion PR to Design Authority

• Fashion Roots: Annie shares how her early career was in fashion, working at InStyle and Harper’s Bazaar, then moving to PR at Chanel during the Karl Lagerfeld era. The drive for visual storytelling and her experience in luxury and editorial worlds honed her eye for detail and quality.
  • “I was at Chanel… The shows were unbelievable… the second the music starts, tears filled in my eyes every single time.” – Annie Meyers-Shyer [06:54]
• Pivot to Interiors: After leaving Chanel to focus on her young family and navigating the COVID-19 pandemic, Annie stumbled into the world of renovation when her mother-in-law offered her LA house. Documenting the project for friends turned into an unforeseen, viral design career.
  • “I thought maybe I would just document the process for my friends back in New York... I did not see this coming.” – Annie [08:22]
• Influence of Her Own Family: Annie is Nancy Meyers’ daughter, drawing inspiration from her mother’s iconic cinematic homes and a family history of women in interiors and antiques.

2. From Fashion to Interiors: Shared Principles

• Connections between the two worlds: Both require an eye for craftsmanship, layering, and storytelling.
• Breaking the “Gatekeeping” Mentality: Annie contrasts fashion’s source-sharing culture with design’s historical tendency to keep secrets—and how she set out to make interiors more open.
  • “I am going to treat interiors like fashion… I couldn’t get any information from anyone on social media, so I was like, I’m gonna break down that barrier and share things.” – Annie [09:29]
• Becoming a Resource: Her willingness to share sources, tips, and mistakes has fueled her popularity and the “design school” vibe of her Instagram.

3. Classic Isn’t Basic: What Lasts in Design

• Classic Outlasts Trends: Annie explains that classic design elements remain beautiful when trends fade—citing her mom’s kitchen from 1998 as timeless.
  • “Classic is what remains when the trends pass... When you build or renovate, ask: Will I love this in 10 years?” – Annie [17:41]
• Maintaining Cohesion: Consistency in design theme across the house is key. Avoid having every room feel like it belongs to a different home.
  • “You’re giving me hives…” (on clashing themes across rooms) – Annie [17:34]

4. The Book: “This Oak House”

• Structure: Two parts: “House” contains all the nitty gritty how-to’s; “Home” details each room’s story, moodboards, and actionable takeaways.
  • “My hope is that the book is dog-eared… for anyone who lives in a home, not just those renovating.” – Annie [23:31]
• Practical Tips: Shares family recipes, tablescapes, curtain advice, and styling guides intended to be both useful and beautiful—a true hands-on “interiors bible.” [24:38]

5. Annie’s Design Process & Advice

• Start with a Wishlist: Document what you want and need in every room, then use Pinterest to build moodboards that reveal your taste.
  • “Walk through your house… say everything you are wanting… then divide by room. You will not get it all, but have it in one place.” – Annie [15:16]
• Describe Your Style: “Classic, comfortable, and fresh… You know the people who live here are a young family.” – Annie [16:33]
• Choosing the Right Team: Prioritize referrals, visit finished projects, and never hesitate to ask detailed questions (and for samples).
  • “Ask to see their projects. Shut a door. See if it feels right.” – Annie [28:16]
• Plan for Longevity: Invest in things that will last longer than you—architecture, hardware, thoughtful layouts.
  • “Invest in the things that will stay in the house longer than you.” – Annie [25:31]
• Advocate for Yourself: Don’t accept “no” from vendors without good reason—keep pushing for your vision.

6. Creating a Home that Reflects You

• Mix Old and New: Every room needs something with history to give patina, soul, and warmth.
  • “Everything needs something old… It brings crunch, patina, and warmth to spaces.” – Annie [31:47]
• Memorable Objects: Fill your home with pieces that carry memories—not impersonal “props.”
  • “If you came to my house and I wasn’t home, you would know something about me... My books tell my story.” – Annie [33:34]
• Flea Market Finds: Flea markets and vintage shops are invaluable for unique treasures—Annie shares tips and her favorite markets (Clignancourt in Paris, Rose Bowl in Pasadena).
  • “Every tabletop just does better when there’s a vintage bowl on it.” – Annie [38:19]

7. Entertaining & Tablescapes

• Focus on Feeling, Not Perfection: Guests remember how they felt, not perfect matching napkins.
• High-Low Approach: Mix luxury with accessible finds—never one brand or style throughout.
  • “I will wear a Chanel jacket with Zara pants—that’s how I am. It’s the mix that works.” – Annie [39:56]

8. Practical Product Recommendations

• Bedding: “Bedding is everything. You’re in your bed more than anywhere else. Invest in great sheets and pillows.” – Annie [46:58]
  • Favorite towels: Matouk Milagro [47:42]
  • Favorite paint: Farrow & Ball’s Slipper Satin, “Don’t color match. It’s not the same as the original.” – Annie [48:13]
  • On investing: “If you can, do one room in Farrow & Ball, then pick Benjamin Moore for the others. Don’t do the dupe.” – Annie [48:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Classic is what remains when the trends pass." — Annie Meyers-Shyer [17:41]
• “If a murder had happened in the Something’s Gotta Give house, like, I’m not sure people would respond to the kitchen as much. It’s the story… that creates that feeling.” — Annie, on her mother Nancy Meyers’ work [11:15]
• “Hire people you genuinely like. When you see their number calling, your heart shouldn’t sink. They’re on your team.” — Annie [25:31]
• “Be willing to ask for what you need. If you want a sample, ask for it. You have to live there—they don’t.” — Annie [31:05]
• “Your home should tell your story… not just look like a prop or a showroom.” — Annie [33:34]
• “You can do anything at any time and pivot and change. Women are amazing.” — Annie [43:02]
• “Take a bet on yourself. If it fails, you can always go back.” — Emese Gormley [51:04]
• "Keep on keeping on. You never know where things are going to take you. Believe in yourself." — Annie (advice to her 10-year-old self) [49:42]

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Key Timestamps

• 02:20 – Starting the Interview: Annie’s introduction, background in fashion & PR
• 09:18 – The parallel between fashion and home design
• 12:08 – On not “gatekeeping” in design; family influence
• 15:16 – How to start a home renovation or refresh: wishlist and moodboards
• 17:41 – Definition and defense of “classic isn’t basic”
• 23:31 – The structure and purpose of Annie’s new book
• 25:31 – Biggest lessons learned and renovation advice
• 28:16 – How to find and vet your design/construction team
• 31:47 – Every room needs something old
• 33:34 – Homes should reflect real life, not staged magazine spreads
• 37:03 – Flea market and vintage advice
• 39:56 – Entertaining and tablescaping philosophy
• 46:50 – Bedding and towel recommendations
• 49:42 – Advice to a 10-year-old self

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Final Thoughts

Annie Meyers-Shyer delivers both inspiration and practical wisdom. Her approach is approachable: invest where it matters, mix the old and new, be honest about how you live, and design for yourself rather than for Instagram. Her mantra that “classic isn’t basic” is an invitation to create a home you’ll love for years—by breaking unnecessary rules and sharing freely, Annie empowers everyone to elevate their own space.

Follow Annie on Instagram [@thisoakhouse] and pre-order "This Oak House" (out September 15, 2026).

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Transcript

[Molly Sims]

You know that feeling when you're at a really great party and it's not over yet? You can just sense that it's starting to wind down. That's mid July and the sun is out. The rose is still very much flowing. But there's this little voice in the back of your head that starts doing the math on how many weekends you actually have left. And the answer is, never as generous as you want it to be. Because here's the thing about August. It has a sneaky way of arriving and disappearing almost simultaneously. And you're sitting there wondering, how did you let the whole season slip by without doing half the things you said you were going to do?

[Emisha Gormley]

So.

[Molly Sims]

So before that happens, think about the moments that are still ahead of you. The beach trip that's been living in the group chat. Let's do it, people. The long weekend getaway you keep saying you'll plan whatever those moments look like for you. Macy's has everything you need to actually show up for them. The swimsuit, the bag, the outfit, the hosting essentials, and of course, the beauty must haves all in one place. So the only thing left is to go do it. Head to Macy's.com and shop everything you need to savor the rest of your summer.

[Annie Myers Shire]

He finally got her. Oh, my God, he got her.

[Rachel Brown]

For years, a deranged man in Wichita known as the Poet stalked Ruth Finley. He sent her letters, gifts, and poems. The Wichita police put everything they had into Ruth's case, but got nowhere.

[Annie Myers Shire]

The Poet was always two steps in front of us, and we just didn't know why.

[Rachel Brown]

And the city was already living in fear under the watch of another monster who called himself btk. And he also had a thing for poetry.

[Emisha Gormley]

Could we really have two different people?

[Rachel Brown]

But no one could have guessed how this would end.

[Emisha Gormley]

That's one of those Hitchcock endings that

[Molly Sims]

we did not expect from Sony Music

[Rachel Brown]

Entertainment and New Metric Media. This is the Poet. I'm Rachel Brown. The Poet is available now on the binge. Search for it wherever you get your podcast. To start listening today, subscribers to the binge can listen to all episodes all at once, ad free.

[Molly Sims]

Hey, I'm Molly Sims.

[Emisha Gormley]

And I'm Emisha Gormley. We're two girls obsessed with one thing.

[Molly Sims]

Beauty. And by that, we mean everything that makes you look and feel beautiful.

[Emisha Gormley]

We're calling on our favorite health experts, industry insiders and friends to answer all

[Molly Sims]

your beauty questions with a drink in hand.

[Emisha Gormley]

Definitely with a drink in hand.

[Molly Sims]

You're listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims, Emisha, have you ever found yourself in an Instagram hole at midnight? Scrolling, screenshotting, paint colors, kitchen tiles, couches.

[Emisha Gormley]

I actually have to say, I find so much of my design inspiration on Instagram. It's like the best interiors resource for me these days.

[Molly Sims]

And you guys know how much I never met a couch I didn't like. I think I love interiors. Probably not as much as the person that we have this week on, but I love interiors. I have always loved the tip, the tricks, the. The layered, the unlatered, the minimalist, the maximalist. Um, but today's guest has been. I mean, I followed her in a very different way and Emisha, and we're going to talk about her past and PR and in fashion. But today's guest has basically become the Internet's interior designer. She's the voice and she's the eye behind at this oak house. Okay, right now, stop what you're doing. Write that down, go to your Instagram account, turn it on. Because it's basically a design school for us. She just wrote her first book. It's called this Oak House. A renovation story with interiors to inspire your own home. It comes out September 15th. So six, eight weeks from now. Get ready. We can't wait to give you guys a sneak peek and get into all things renovating a house. How to create investing and inviting spaces with warmth, character, home that you guys are going to love for. Annie Myers Shire, welcome to Lives to Go the Rim.

[Emisha Gormley]

I'm already obsessed with your interior behind

[Annie Myers Shire]

you, so thank you so much. That was amazing. And I'm so, I. I am such a fan of your podcast. To be sitting here is very surreal. I'm very excited. Thank you for having me.

[Molly Sims]

Okay, so Annie Meyers. We know Annie through a lot of different ways, but we do have to give a little bit of a special shout out. Her life was through fashion, pr, through Chanel, Harper's Bazaar, but also her mother. We love us some Nancy Meyers. She's the prolific director. She's the best taste the homes that you, you love. We just wanted to give a little bit of a shout out because we do love us some Nancy Meyers as well. We love your whole family.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Me too.

[Molly Sims]

Me too.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I love her too.

[Molly Sims]

Okay, so let's go back. How in the world. I mean, I know how, but we want to tell all the listeners, I guess we've called you the accidental influencer. I mean, you were at Chanel. You were running part of Harper's Bazaar. How in the world did this turn

[Annie Myers Shire]

into this well, my background is definitely in fashion. I mean, right out of college, I started working at InStyle magazine and I worked for Hal Rubenstein. And at the time, I know he was amazing. It was. We did all those, like, red carpet recaps. So when InStyle would come out, that's when you would find out who wore something on the red carpet. And, you know, I was like, calling Armani, being like, did you dress anyone? I was like, at the fax machine waiting for, like, you know, the faxes to come in. And things have changed so much. I mean, now we know what that person's wearing before they're inside the auditorium. Like, it's so. The times have changed so dramatically. So I started it in style where I was just like, this is. This is the life for me. Like, I am, you know, I am running down the hallway, and it was like, all very fun in Delvo wears Prada. Then I went over to Harper's Bazaar and I was hired as an accessories editor. And the woman who hired me basically within a week went to Vogue. And I was like, okay, I guess we'll just figure this out. And they sent me to the shows, and it was all very fun. You know, I was in a time where, like, you would go into a run through and they'd be like, we forgot one shoe. And they would, like, you know, put a girl on an airplane to Milan with, like, that one shoe. You know, it was just like this wild time. And then I moved back to la, obviously, for a guy who then promptly broke up with me, because that's just how that story goes. And I went in house at Chanel, and it was a new job for them. I was the west coast pr, and I was there for about six years. I had. I got married and had two kids while working that job.

[Emisha Gormley]

It was a good luck charm, a cocoa charm.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Totally, totally. And, you know, if you're ever gonna do pr, working for Chanel is an amazing place because, you know you're going to always feel proud of the collection. It was the Karl Lagerfeld time, and it was. These shows were unbelievable, and we worked so hard on them. And then, like, the lights would go down. We're standing there, like, in the back, and the second, like, the music starts, like, tears filled in my eyes every single time. So it was a great time. But, you know, I was, like, pumping backstage. Like, I just. It was just. It had to come to an end. But there was, like, a dedication to the job that they had that I didn't have. And that's Just like, the truth. Like, we went to this. Chanel used to take us on these unbelievable sort of retreats, right? And the head of our company, the CEO, who I'd never really spent any time with, did. Did this amazing talk. And we got into these groups after, and they said, like, everybody write down three words that describe you best. And I remember my words like, mother, sister, wife, right? And everybody else was, like, ambitious and all these, like, word things. And I was like, okay, I need to, like, recalibrate something. Like, I was in a different place in my life. I just was. I didn't want to, like, be getting on a plane all the time. So I left Chanel, and it was a really hard place to leave. And I love the people I worked with. I'm still very close with them. And then, you know, I just jumped into, like, being a mom very, very full time. Then there was, like, Covid, which was whatever, a time that I tried to block out of my memory. And during COVID my husband's mother moved to her weekend home, which is in Montecito, and she had a house here in la. And she was like, I think I'm going to stay in Montecito. And my husband was like, okay, so what do you want to do with the house in la? She's like, well, I don't want to sell it, but I also don't want to live in it. And so I was like, hello, Link over here. What a link, anyone? And he was like, what? I was like, well, if she doesn't want to sell it and she doesn't want to live in it, what about us? And so we decided to do it and do a remodel, what I thought would be, like, a modest remodel. Like, ha, ha ha. And then I thought maybe I would just document the process for my friends back in New York. I thought maybe they'd have fun following along. I did not see this coming. Like, there didn't. I didn't know there'd be a book at the end of this. So that's how I landed here.

[Molly Sims]

And how do you think the world of fashion and editorial trained your eye? Like, how do you articulate the parallel between fashion and interior design?

[Annie Myers Shire]

Well, craftsmanship, right? Visual storytelling. I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who's, like, an unbelievably cool dresser who has terrible interiors. Like, there is definitely a parallel between that. You know, one of the things I found is that in fashion and Emisha, you know this better than anyone. Like, you know everything Someone's wearing like, you know, who makes their shoes, you know, who makes their glasses, you know, who makes their nail polish. But in interiors, it was like you couldn't. Nobody shares anything. So, like, I was dming, you know, people being, I love that lamp, who makes it. And it was like I could see it was red and nobody was getting back to me. So I sort of took this approach of like, I am going to treat interiors like fashion. Like, I'm going to show me at the Marble Yard, the color grout. Like, I just couldn't get any information from anyone on social media. So I was like, I'm gonna try to just kind of break down that. That barrier and share things. And I think that's like really what resonated with people.

[Molly Sims]

But I think it resonated so much because they also. They went along with you. Right? Like, they could do something at the same time. I'm like, okay, I could use that dark navy blue or I could that certain white that's not too designer white, but like, oh, it's like the e eggshell. And you are, you are a visual storyteller, which I do think years of fashion, entertainment, totally all kind of melds together into one. Your grandmother was an interior designer. Your great grandmother owned an antique store.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yes.

[Molly Sims]

So home and interiors. And Nancy, I mean, every one of her films were like, not only did you love the movie, you wanted to live in the house that the movie.

[Emisha Gormley]

I know literally what I was gonna say, like, to me, that's like Nancy Meyers home.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I need to see Myers home to me too. I mean, you know, it's funny. I agree, right? Like, wholeheartedly. But I also think that people sort of take out the interior part of her work. But really that's just like one piece of the pie. You know, she has said before, so I don't think she would mind me repeating this, but like, if a murder had happened in the Something's Gotta Give house, like, I'm not sure, you know, people would respond to the kitchen as much. You know, it's the story that she tells, the characters that she builds. All these things are elements that create that feeling. And so, you know, I think it's just a part of the pie of her work. And that's how she is. Like, details are everything. So it works and makes sense that the interiors just fit those characters so well in all of her movies.

[Molly Sims]

I love what she wrote about in the foreword of your book. She said, my daughter Annie has always been a go to person for recommendations in our Family need a suggestion for a beautiful hotel, a great doctor, the coziest pajamas, you name it. Annie is the one who can tell you where to find it, where to go. And to be honest, she's not just the go to person for our family, she's also the go to person for all of her friends and even all of my friends. And I do think that. I think what you've done in terms of kind of letting people in on your journey, you're. You're not gatekeeping. They're getting to know you. They're like, okay. And I. I love that because Emisha and I started this podcast for that exact same reasons. Because we were so tired of people being like, oh, no, I don't do Botox or.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Right.

[Molly Sims]

Or, oh, no, I don't diet.

[Emisha Gormley]

I don't. I just.

[Molly Sims]

I don't diet or I don't really.

[Emisha Gormley]

I barely exercise.

[Molly Sims]

Oh, yeah, no, that's just a plain color. Blue. Right? Like, they were never honest and forthcoming.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yeah, well, I.

[Emisha Gormley]

That's a very archaic part of the interior design industry now that you're saying that. I'm like, you know what? You're right. Because I don't know why they feel this need to gatekeep. It's not like I can hire somebody from Oklahoma who I'm following. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, it's not. There's no reason to gatekeep.

[Annie Myers Shire]

It feels very archaic to me and antiquated. And I will say, I have noticed recently, people, you know, there's this. There's an amazing interior designer I love, and she just started a substack where she's giving away a lot of sources. And I see interior designers starting to, like, tag their sources. I think people are starting to change this little also, like, my nature is to go very deep. Like, I remember in high school, there was a mascara that was something that we had found from a friend in Japan. Like, I was having that thing, like, dhl. Like, I will go deep. I will find the thing.

[Molly Sims]

Like, I like it and we can all be friends. Annie. Right?

[Annie Myers Shire]

Like, people don't want to do that. So I think with my Instagram, they're like, well, she's done the work on the subway tile. She has gone to a million places we've seen. So I'm just going to get the one she said because she's done the work, you know, So I think. I also think it's.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think the business model's also shifting. Like, it's funny. I see a lot more interiors, brands Being on affiliate platforms.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Oh, yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

So I think that's also, like, the merging of, you know, Interior Influencer is now also becoming a bit of a business online.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yeah, it seems.

[Emisha Gormley]

So Maybe it'll. Maybe it'll lighten the. Gatekeeping, you know, is my goal, I think.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I think the whole business. I mean, listen, I am not an interior designer. I don't, you know, and I definitely want people to know that. But with the trade accounts, it's. There is a lot of, like, gatekeeping, and it does feel hard to break in. And so I think that's also part of something that, you know, I made it more accessible for people because I was just trying to figure my way through it.

[Molly Sims]

But you have that. You have the most exquisite eye. Right? Like, and I do think that's why people love you. People follow you. You open the book. Talking about starting a wish list. Walk us through that. And how does one actually. Mood board? Is there a method to your madness?

[Annie Myers Shire]

Okay, so here's what I would recommend. So I do. I did two things. One is, like, a verbal dictation wish list. Like, walk through your house, and now you can do it into AI, which I didn't have at the time, by the way. Like, I'd still be in construction if I had had AI because I would have just been, like, changing schemes like crazy. But say everything that you are wanting in your house, right? Like, I don't have an outlet near where I want to blow dry my hair or whatever it is. And this is if you're doing a new build or a remodel, like, go through your current house. Like, I love that my spices are next to my. My range. Whatever it is, really, really. Like, just get it all out and then divide it by room, right? And just say every wish list you have. You will not get it all, but have it all in one place. Like, that's kind of part one, and then part two is Pinterest, honestly. Just add to every room. Make a board for every room and just add freely. Like, don't censor yourself. Because what I found was, like, once I clicked into my living room, I was like, I see I'm very into the color Camel. Like, whatever it is, like, the themes start to show themselves. And so I would say a Pinterest board and then, like, an actual physical document and take those two things per room and let that start to, like, be your guide.

[Emisha Gormley]

How would you describe your style? Like, your interior style?

[Annie Myers Shire]

You know, when people come to my house, they tell me it's very comfortable which is great. Like, I love that. I want people to feel comfortable. It's also very classic in that I really paid attention to the architecture of this house. It was an old house. I had to really pay attention to the moldings and the wainscoting and what was here and not try to make it something else. So I would say it's classic, it's comfortable, and I think it's fresh. Like, I think if you walked through this house, you'd be like, you know, you would know something about the people who live here. You would not think, you know, an older couple lives there. You would know. We're a young family. Like, I think it feels that way.

[Molly Sims]

Can you tell us why classic isn't basic? We get this a lot because a lot of people are trying to be like, I'm at. I want the crazy wallpaper in, like. And I. What, you know, Elizabeth loves about you. My producer, Emma show. We all. We love that you're on theme. A lot of people, it's hard for them. They'll do one room in a certain theme, another room in a different theme, and there's no cohesive.

[Annie Myers Shire]

You're giving me hives.

[Molly Sims]

I know. I know.

[Annie Myers Shire]

But.

[Molly Sims]

But talk about classic doesn't have to be boring.

[Annie Myers Shire]

So classic is what remains when the trends pass.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Right. That's it.

[Emisha Gormley]

Amen. Yeah.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Right. So when the trends come and go, classic is what remains. And, you know, going back to my mom for a second, so she built her house when I graduated high school, which was in 98. If you walked into her kitchen, you would think it was built yesterday. There's just nothing about it that feels dated. You can't put a timestamp on it. It just feels classic. And so I think classic is not basic. Classic is what. What lasts past the trends. And I think when you're doing a house or working on a room or trying to think about, you know, your studio apartment, whatever it is, we're inundated with this stuff all the time, Right. Like on Instagram and Pinterest and all these things. And maybe I. I want a, you know, dark green kitchen. Maybe it's like a. So much is being thrown at you. And I think the question that I return to all the time, first of all, it's so expensive to do any work in your house. Right. And so when it comes to the things that will last in the house, like, even past you, Right. Like the architectural elements, the hardware, the lighting, the things that you can't change easily, like paint or furniture, I always thought to myself, like, will I love this in 10 years? Like, will I still like this? Did I like it 10 years ago? Will I like it? Is this a classic choice? Like, and sometimes I would even get off track a little, and so I'd have to, like, bring myself back. It's hard. It's hard not to.

[Molly Sims]

Did you work with anyone?

[Emisha Gormley]

I did.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I worked with an incredible team. So I loved my interior designer, Mike Moser, who's like, just a great human being, which really helps.

[Molly Sims]

We love Mike.

[Annie Myers Shire]

He's also the nicest person. And, like, I will just say that goes so far. You know, when you're in it and you need to talk to somebody all day, and he's so talented. The thing I like best about him is that when you see one of his projects, you're not like, that's a Mike Moser project. You're like, that looks like the person who lives in the house. You know, he did my friend Jamie Mizrahi's house, and it looked like just like Jamie. You know, I think my house looks just like me. So I think that's his secret sauce. And then I worked with an architect named Brian Covington who had been at Ferguson and Shamamian for, like, decades. And so he was just kind of a magician. And he was an incredible architect and partner. And then I worked with a great contractor, so I had a really good team. I think it's patient.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah, I think it's important to have a good team, someone you can trust, someone who dots the I's, crosses the t's. Because what you said before, it's so expensive.

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[Molly Sims]

Okay, let's talk a little bit about the book. Tell us like our listeners because again they. They love what you do. They love how you do it. Like tell us A little bit about the book and, and what they're going to get out of it.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Okay. So the book is divided into two parts. Part one is called House and part two is called Home. And so part one house is sort of like all the nitty gritty details that I share on my Instagram, all the tips, the tricks, the things I learned, what temperature I like my light bulbs to be, like all the things I wish I had while I was doing my house. And then part two is called Home and each chapter is a room of my house. And I talk about the room, how it came to be, all the sources of the fabrics, you see the mood boards. But then at the end of each chapter in the second part, there's like a takeaway from, for the person who's reading it. And my hope is that the book is like dog eared. You know, there's my family's hot fudge recipe in the kitchen. Chapter in my snug, it's how to style a bookshelf. Like this book is for anyone basically who lives in a home, not just who's renovating. There's like the tips, the tricks, the way to sort of make it your own. How to do a tablescape. I talk about curtain length, like all those kind of details. And I think at least my hope is that it feels like my Instagram. So it's like part helpful, useful and also part beautiful.

[Emisha Gormley]

Well, I think it's, it almost sounds like an interiors bible. Like. Yeah, because you don't actually have that. Like when you think about it, you're, there's, you know, if you're trying to do curtains yourself at home, it's hard. It's hard. Like how do you know what length, how do you know what seating? So I think there's definitely an element to that that's going to be so helpful.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yeah. And then there's just also the things I think that anybody can, can use. Like, you know, why it's important to have things that really like, speak to who you are in your house, you know, and not just having things that feel like props around and how to make a house feel more you. And then of course, all the paint tips and colors and all that kind of stuff that I know people want.

[Molly Sims]

Well, I think, you know, it gets overwhelming.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Totally.

[Molly Sims]

What are a couple of things that you wish you would have known that you know now? All of it.

[Annie Myers Shire]

All of it. I think a couple things. One, it's so important to hire people that you genuinely like. Right. Because you're just going to Be dealing with them so often. And yes, their work should be good. But also people that you generally, you know, when you see their phone calling and their number, your heart isn't like in. You know, your heart doesn't sink. You want to talk to these people. They're on your same team. I think that's like a big thing. And also just to invest in the things that will stay in the house longer than you. I have a couple things here and there, not many that I wish I had done differently. But I think it's important to think about, like, longevity.

[Molly Sims]

I was just about to say, I think, listen, some decisions can be changed. You know, it can cost a pretty penny, but sure can. God knows we do love a change order. But I do think, for the most part, if you are patient and you are, I always say, like, before you start the work, do your homework for sure, because it will save you. Whether it's your Pinterest boards, whether it's your paint colors, whether it's your textures, whether it's your fabrics. If you can have an idea three years, like, go back with a roadmap, it will help you again. Things will change. But to start to get the roadmap, because how do you want to show up? How? Like, for me, I built this house, I'm in, in the Hamptons, and I always knew I wanted to be where everyone came. So when my kids were in college or in high school or middle school, they could have their friends, they could have their, you know, I could have our friends. It was. It's an entertaining home.

[Annie Myers Shire]

You have to think about the way you live. For sure. You have to think about the way you live. And I think one of the other thing that's important, and I think I'm going to quote the great Kris Jenner, but, like, if someone says no, you're asking the wrong person. You know, that was a lot. I was told no all the time. And I'd be like, well, why not? And then the answer would be, well, because we'd have to bring in a crane. I'm like, okay, how much is the crane? Like, let's find out. You know, I mean, this is with anything, but advocate for yourself. You know, ask why not? You have to know yourself, know how you live. And that's why that first part of the document so important. If you really think about the things that work for you. You know, I'm always on my island, and I never have anywhere to plug in the blender or whatever it is. Know how you live, and then you can kind of implement that into your life.

[Molly Sims]

I just think it's the best piece of advice. Know how you live.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Emisha Gormley]

I. You also said the first thing you said is hire the right team. But I think for a lot of people, how do you suggest finding the right team, the right contractor, the right archite? Like, how do you source things?

[Annie Myers Shire]

Word of mouth is truly the best thing, honestly. Ask your friends. Ask people who have done it. And then ask them, Ask those people who you want to work with. Can I see a house you've done? You want to go there. You want to shut a door and be like, well, that door feels hollow. That guy is not doing the same quality of work that I want. You know, you want to go see their houses. And I don't mind. My husband is very polite, you know, and I am also polite, but I don't mind asking the hard questions. These are the people I'm going to have to deal with all the time. So ask the hard questions. Ask to see their projects. Ask, you know, word of mouth, your friends and people you trust, like, with anything, you know, finding a doctor or anything like that.

[Molly Sims]

I think referrals are the most important and things can go wrong very, very easily. But it's as granular as you can be on picking your team.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Totally.

[Molly Sims]

And I would go one step farther. I would say, you know, if your contractor is doing everything and then you don't see the architect, you don't see. I don't love that. That's what I've come out of this because, you know, you're paying, like, a design fee. Talk a little bit about insurance. I've learned a little bit along the way of, like, professional liability builders insurance. Like, I know it sounds crazy like you're doing a postnum, but really be careful that you have the right insurance, that it's actually being paid for, things like that.

[Annie Myers Shire]

You can also get construction insurance. There's all kinds of insurance you can get. And the other thing is like, you know, one of the things I asked for. And again, this kind of goes back to being a pain in the ass is we had. There's a lot of millwork in this house, right? So I asked for a sample of every single cabinet. You know, I didn't know how to read elevations when we started the project. And we got a sample of every cabinet door. And so that's like a different kind of insurance. But I wanted to see what it was before 18 cabinet doors showed up or, you know, they gave me a demo of what we Were doing new doors in the house, what the door would look like, you know, ask for those things. I remember we had this really unique detail in our showers and I like couldn't wrap my mind around it. It was expensive. They built it for me out of like plywood or something like that. And so I think people, you know, I often get this question in my, in my AMAs, which I do on Friday. It's like, I know you're a no shoes house. How do you ask people to take their shoes off? Like I ask them to take their shoes off.

[Molly Sims]

It's my house. It's really simple. And I have a beautiful wicker basket next to your door.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Exactly.

[Molly Sims]

There's nothing wrong with it. I mean, I have a no policy of no cleats in the house. And here in New York, not because I don't love a cleat. I love this word cleat. It's just, it's going to dent now with 17 children running through with cleats on.

[Annie Myers Shire]

But I think the idea behind that is like a lot of people are willing to kind of swallow their discomfort to make somebody else comfortable. But at the end of the day, like, I don't want to see someone with shoes throughout my house that is just going to throw me off. It's going to upset me. I'm going to be like looking at the rugs to see if it's just not the way I want to live. And so I think that goes back to also just, you got to know yourself. You have to know what's going to work and speak up for yourself. You know, if you want to see a sample of something and you worry they're going to think you're a pain, like, okay, you have to live there. They don't.

[Molly Sims]

They don't. You're a firm believer that every room needs something old for sure. What's the rule in mixing old and new?

[Annie Myers Shire]

So the number one rule is everything needs something old. I just think that that brings that kind of like crunch and patina and warmth into spaces. Every room I'm looking at something old right now, but every room in my house has something old. I also think every room needs lamps. I think it's just a lamp is just the best lamps.

[Emisha Gormley]

I'm actually eyeballing the sconces. I need sconces in my house. I'm like, what's that sconce behind you?

[Annie Myers Shire]

So these were actually here in the original house. And we took them. They were in a different room. We took them off the wall. And we. And we put them in this room. So I just think, you know, task lighting, sconces, you know, pendants, they bring a lot of warmth. And I think, you know, it's the mix, right? The mix of the old and new, sort of like mixing high and low with fashion. It's just. It's the mix that makes something feel unique. And I have things in my house that don't necessarily mean something to someone else, but they remind me of something. You know, like, I'm looking in my living room, and I have this little wooden ball. And it reminds me of being in Provence with my mom and my sister. I, like, dragged them to another store. I wanted to buy this wooden ball. They were like, let's go. Let's get out of here. And I wanted it. I don't know why it spoke to me. And every time I walk by it, I love it. It reminds me. And my mom was here the other day. Oh, my God, that ball.

[Molly Sims]

I'm like, do you remember the store? I have these two wooden monkeys.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

And I've had them for, like, almost 14 years. But every time I look at that monkey, I think about. I love that monkey. It makes me think of Amden.

[Rachel Brown]

It sparks.

[Molly Sims]

Me think it sparks.

[Annie Myers Shire]

It's.

[Molly Sims]

I agree.

[Emisha Gormley]

It kind of goes to the point of saying, you believe nothing in the home should feel like a prop.

[Annie Myers Shire]

No.

[Emisha Gormley]

Tell us more about that philosophy and how a home can actually best reflect your interest in travels.

[Annie Myers Shire]

So I don't. You know, when I see those, like, cutting boards propped up in the kitchen or, like, those faux beads on top of a book, like, my skin starts to crawl. I just think, if you came to my house and I wasn't home, you would leave here and you would know something about me. My books were. Tell my story. You know, you'd be like, oh, she was really into jewelry for a minute. And she really, I guess, was into Morocco. I mean, I traveled there. I bought a lot of books about it, or, you know, who my favorite artists are. My books reflect me and my interests. You know, people will say to me, like, do you take the. The covers off your books? I'm like, of course not. I'm not looking for my books to be one color. Like, they. They represent me. And so I think your home should tell your story and be who you are and not try to be proppy or look like something. You know, people always say to me, what do you keep on your island? I'm like, so much. Are you kidding? I have coasters. I have my vitamins I have the things that I live with and I use. And then when people come in, they're like, oh, it feels so homey and warm. I'm like, yeah. Cause it doesn't feel like a showroom. This is how I really live. And, you know, I am the kind of person that has pastries out all the time. Like, I just have a lot of stuff, and I'm not afraid to keep it out. I also think that the things that I love are just reflected in these room. I love plants. I love flowers. And I just think when you try to have your home achieve something that isn't fully reflective of you, it feels that way. It feels proppy. And, you know, it's interesting when we.

[Rachel Brown]

It's.

[Molly Sims]

It feels specky.

[Annie Myers Shire]

It does. It does. When we were doing our initial meeting on my book design, they brought up, like, the most popular interior books of the last two years. And everything was like a great gray or beige cover. And I was like, huh? And they were like, well, that's really what looks good on coffee tables. And I was like, what?

[Emisha Gormley]

That's not.

[Annie Myers Shire]

This is not what we're going to be. And by the way, I'm not like, Ms. Color over here, but I wanted it to be the COVID it was supposed to be, not like, what's going to look good on someone's coffee table? That's not that interesting to me.

[Emisha Gormley]

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[Molly Sims]

You're an expert at flea markets. I love a flea market. I used to flea market. Much more than I do now. But what are some of your favorite flea markets?

[Annie Myers Shire]

Well, in France, you know, I mean, that's just where it's just the best clinging core.

[Molly Sims]

I mean, the best.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Just the best. It's like, so many treasures. I had a friend who was in London last week, and I sent him to this, like, little booth at an antique store to get me a picture frame. Because this woman has the best picture frames, and I can never get her on the phone. And he called me. He was like, how did you find this woman? I was like, did you get. Did you get me a frame? Like, don't. Don't ask me any questions. He was like, I got you the frame. You know, I think the ones in Europe are obviously the best. I also think the Rose bowl can be great. You know, I think the ones in Pasadena here can be really wonderful. I will go to basically a flea market or antique anywhere. I'm going to Martha's Vineyard this year. And I was like. You know, the first thing I did was like, what day is the flea market again? They're like, I'll find a treasure anywhere.

[Molly Sims]

I love that. I just think, like, yeah, it also shows your personal style. You know, when you're mixing and you know, because a lot of times you're like, wait. I just hate when everything is new, brand new customs. Like, you're like, yes, we need the bowl. We need the old ceramic. I have this always lamp back here that's, like, dripping and big and it's vintage. I don't know. I have to have it rewired. But I love it.

[Annie Myers Shire]

By the way, rewiring things couldn't be easier. People are so afraid of that all the time. Like, buy the vintage light. It's easy to rewire something, but I think every tabletop just does better when there's a vintage bowl on it. It just brings in something that feels more special. And also, I love the hunt. Like, nothing's more fun to me than, like, the hunt.

[Emisha Gormley]

I told you, I got my. I have it outside. I have these vintage bocce balls that I found in this store in my town. And I'm like. My husband was like, what's with the bocce balls? And I was like, I don't know. I really loved them. Like, they're just in this bowl outside.

[Annie Myers Shire]

It's walking through.

[Emisha Gormley]

They could break a toe, right?

[Annie Myers Shire]

But I think the idea is that you walk through your house and you spot things and you're like, that makes me feel good. Or I like that thing, you know, it's the little things that spark joy, spark memories. I love those things. And also I love remembering like when the thing arrived and unwrapping it and oh my God, I hope it's going to be what I thought it was going to be.

[Molly Sims]

And I love a photo wall. I love, I have a. I have. It's here in an la. I have all my memories. And there is a. I'm going to give a special shout out to Peter. Doesn't really work that much anymore, but every year he comes and does my new 1012 frames. And the way he puts it together on a wall is literally like art. Talk about a home because you entertain.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yes.

[Molly Sims]

What are some of your tips for entertaining? I know a lot of people, you know, talk about a tablescape, but like what are like your go to tablecloths or like what makes it feel special?

[Annie Myers Shire]

So I sort of speak out of both sides of my mouth with the answer to this question. So like the overarching theme is like people aren't going to remember like the napkin and if it matched the color of the flowers. Like that's not what they remember. Right. They remember how they felt in your house. Did they feel comfortable? Were you comfortable? Was it, was there fun music? Were you enjoy? Like I think it's the energy of the event or dinner that people really remember more than anything specific. That being said, I personally find so much joy in the tablescaping and putting it all together. And the way I look at it is sort of how I look at getting dressed or how I did this house. Like I'm a high low person. I will wear a Chanel jacket with a pair of Zara pants. Like that's how I am. So I feel that way when I'm doing a table. I will never do all one thing. You know, I wouldn't do everything from the same designer. I love hand painted plates from Carolina Irving and then glass hurricanes from Hudson Grace and then you know, my bamboo flatware from, you know, whoever. Like it's just, it's the mix that I think works well. And I always try to do very simple flowers. I like herbs from the nursery. I'll dot down a table. I think lighting matters a lot when you're entertaining, you know, especially in the summer candlelight, those things matter a lot. But I try to keep it relaxed. I think as soon as people feel like, oh, I don't want to spill and all that kind of stuff, which is like I do have that feeling in my mind. But I think keeping it relaxed. I'm all like barefoot. Like, just be sort of casual yourself and then people will remember that feeling. And I like mixing tablescapes. That's how I do it. A little mixing.

[Emisha Gormley]

Warmth.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

It just creates such warmth.

[Molly Sims]

Like, I walk into Emma's house, I will have flown five hours, gone into New York, traveled 35 minutes from New York to get there. And I walk in, I'm like, okay, I'm home. You know what I mean?

[Annie Myers Shire]

It's like, totally.

[Molly Sims]

There's also that energy. Like, even here in New York, I have people come, oh, we're gonna play on your pickleball court. Or oh, we're gonna. Yeah, I walked downstairs, there was a coach, there was. He was eating lunch. Like, I don't know. I also.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Great.

[Molly Sims]

It's like an energy of. Of welcoming. Of welcoming, totally.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I. Oh, we always have a lot of food in this house. And there's. Oh, you know, my sister in law's over here. Like everyone's kind of here all the time. I love that. I love part of the reason we moved to this house was because we had a bigger backyard. It was space for my kids, for their friends. I mean, that kind of thing is so important. Again, know how you live, know if you want that in your life. You know, I have certain rooms in my house, by the way, my house is not huge that my kids do not go into. And I love that they don't go in there. Like, it, it makes my heart sing that, like, there's no impression on that sofa. Like, no one has sat there. It's got.

[Molly Sims]

We love your sentiment of you can do anything and it's never too late to learn something new. Can you speak to that and what you've learned from this whole process of writing your book.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yeah, I mean, at the end of my book, when I was. I sent an email to my editor, I was like, can I write a conclusion? Like, do books have conclusions? Because I had something to say and sort of what I wanted to say was like, anything is possible. And I did not in any way see this happening. Right. This was not on my bingo card that this is where I would be. And so I'm 45. Like, I didn't think I would be a content creator or a writer. Like, I was very firmly planted in. Like I'm now just a stay at home mom. And I don't say just I was as busy as I've ever been, but I was like very happy and content there. And I had a little idea in the bathtub one day And I was like, maybe I'll start an Instagram. We'll see what happens. And so anything can happen. I am working with unbelievable brands now on collaborations and big projects. And, you know, I'm going on a huge book tour. Like, I just didn't see any of this coming for me. And so I think women are amazing, and I think you can do anything at any time, and you can pivot and you can change and you can be something different. I never imagined that I would be in some of the conversations I'm in, ever.

[Molly Sims]

Can you speak to just a little bit about the collaborations? I know the book comes out in six, eight weeks from now, but it does.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I wish I could. I don't think I can. But I will say, you know, I told a story on my Instagram. This is when I sort of saw things really change. Right? So I told a story on my Instagram a couple years ago about a house that I rented in the Hamptons, or that we rented as a family. And we all, like, drove in really late, we went to sleep, we woke up the next morning, and we're all sitting at the breakfast table, and we're like, what are the sheets on that bed? Like, what are they? And my mom was like, they're definitely, you know, sa faire or pretty or whatever. Whoever knows? We go into one of the rooms, we, like, turn it over, and the sheets were Land End. Okay. And we were like, what? These are Lands End sheets. So I tell the story on my Instagram and I literally Googled, like, how to post an affiliate link. I had no idea. Okay, to date, I've sold an insane amount of those Lands End sheets.

[Emisha Gormley]

Now, Now I need the Lands End sheets.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Well, they've changed. I was just gonna say things have changed with the Lands End sheets. But what I realized is that, you know, there was an appetite for that. So I'm not doing a partnership with Lands End because those, the sheath and material has changed. But, like, I'm. There's a betting partnership and things that really make sense for me and, and my brand. And I have a. Some home accessories that are coming in the fall. Like, very exciting, fun things, things that I would want to buy and, you

[Molly Sims]

know, and it doesn't have to cost a lot of money. I, I, I had a home and we had. I know this. You're going to cringe, so Ear muff, Annie. But remember my T shirt sheets in the, in Cabo? Yes, they weren't expensive, but it was a certain brand. And they would always, you know, because we had a lot of guests and a lot of children, and I would always be like, what's your sheep? What's the brand of your sheets? And I was always, like, so embarrassed. I'm like, it's like a. I don't even know.

[Annie Myers Shire]

But you're like, Bed, Bath, and Beyond.

[Emisha Gormley]

Except. Except the last trip to Cabo, where your sheets were redone, and my kids got home, and they got in our bed, and they were like, these don't feel like Cabo sheets. So then I actually texted Nicole Salaka and was like, do we know the sheets? What's happening with the sheets in the bedding? I asked Mimi. Anyhow, I invested in the most amount of money I've ever spent on bedding for my bedroom, but I think I need a second set because we're, like, cleaning it once a week, and it's Schlossberg.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Oh, yes. Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

Holy.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

But bedding is worth it.

[Annie Myers Shire]

It's worth it.

[Emisha Gormley]

It's worth it.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Bedding is everything. You're in your bed more than I think you're anywhere else. I am obsessed with bedding. You know, I. We iron our sheets. Like, I'm nuts about it. These lands and sheets used to be amazing. Unfortunately, I think they. They're not the same that they used to be. But bedding is everything, you know, it's worth it.

[Molly Sims]

I don't mind.

[Annie Myers Shire]

It is. And. And great pillows and a great mattress pad. Like, the whole thing is just. Just. It can be divine.

[Emisha Gormley]

So sleep is everything.

[Molly Sims]

I agree. And I think that's, like, such a good investment.

[Annie Myers Shire]

And I think it's also good to have multiple sets of sheets only because you will wear through them, so, you know, in such less amount of time if you have multiple pairs. I feel that way about towels. All of it, you know?

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah. What are your favorite towels?

[Annie Myers Shire]

I like the Matuk Milagro. They're my favorite. Before I moved into the house, they went on sale, you know, every whatever, three months at Bloomingdale. So I'd buy, like, a half a dozen. The house took so long. By the time I moved in, I had, like, 39 Mattuc Milagro towels. And my mom was like, are you. Are you okay? Like, I'm not sure. This is, like, you might have, like, a problem. I'm like, I do. I have a problem. But those are my favorites. Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

Do you have a favorite paint company? I guess you work with so many, but.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Well, I have a favorite paint color, which is Slipper satin from Farrow and Ball.

[Molly Sims]

I love Farrell and Ball.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I love their paints. I don't believe in color matching. You know, I. If I hear from one more person, like, my contractor doesn't like working with Farrell and Ball, I'm like, I don't care.

[Molly Sims]

I love Farrell and Ball.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Like, I think the depth of the colors is unmatched.

[Molly Sims]

The depth of the colors are amazing, and I think it's the single best paint company out there, without a doubt.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I couldn't agree more. And don't color match. Don't try to get a done Edwards paint. Just don't do it. It's unbelievable. Yes, it's my favorite.

[Molly Sims]

Spend the money or do like your

[Annie Myers Shire]

powder room in Farrow and Ball, and then pick Benjamin Moore for the other rooms, which is also amazing. But don't color match. Don't try to be. It's like a dupe. Don't do the dupe.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah, there's a really pretty color, like a khaki kind of beige called Mouse back.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Oh, yeah.

[Molly Sims]

And it's just gorgeous. Beautiful beige khaki. It's not too green, but it's not too brown. Um, yeah, it's just a level. You could put a little bit of a sheen, a little bit of a gloss.

[Emisha Gormley]

Gorgeous.

[Molly Sims]

It's like Sandy Graham Braille. God bless your soul.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

Okay. I mean, we have to go, but we ask every guest before they go, if you could give advice to your 10 year old self, what would little 10 year old Annie be? What would she say?

[Annie Myers Shire]

What advice would I give her? I think just like, keep on keeping on, you know, you never know where things are going to take you. Believe in yourself. My parents believed in me and valued my opinion as a child. They did. They valued my opinion always. And so I've always had a pretty good sense of self because of that. So I think just keep on keeping on. Like, life is long, hopefully, and like, you just don't know where you're gonna go. I never thought I'd have a book that someone could order like this.

[Molly Sims]

Oh, cow.

[Emisha Gormley]

I'm so excited for it. I cannot wait.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Thank you.

[Molly Sims]

We are so excited.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Thank you so much.

[Molly Sims]

And I love the unexpected. I love the unexpected journey. I love, you know, both of our careers. I'm like a cat that just doesn't die. Like, I, you know, I'll just keep figuring it out and then it'll lead to something else and I'll turn a no into a yes. And it's the same as Emisha. Like, she didn't even have this. She was in PR and market head of marketing for I worked for baby

[Emisha Gormley]

food company the last stint. Like, who'd have thought? This is where I am.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I know. It's amazing. It's great.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think the biggest thing is I remember saying this to my husband when I, like, quit consulting to be like, I'm gonna do this and see if it works. And I think it's something so simple. Take a bet on yourself. And I think Molly taught me that. And if it fails, you can always go back. But take a bet on yourself.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Absolutely. I think so.

[Molly Sims]

Me too.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I think so.

[Molly Sims]

Amy Myers, you're amazing. We love you.

[Annie Myers Shire]

We love your mom.

[Molly Sims]

Love you guys.

[Emisha Gormley]

Thank you. I want to, like, curl up on a chair in the room with you.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Come over.

[Molly Sims]

Oh, my God. We might have wine when I'm back, because I cannot.

[Annie Myers Shire]

I would love it. I would love it.

[Molly Sims]

Okay, so follow Annie at this Oak House. This Oak house comes out September 15th. You guys can pre order it now. I've gotten to have a little bit of a sneak peek and it's pretty incredible. I love how you split it up, a house and a home. And I think it's just to all the listeners out here, it is going to be your bible. It's going to be your go to. And I love the entertaining tips as well.

[Annie Myers Shire]

Thank you. Thank you both so much.

[Molly Sims]

Thanks for listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims and My Ride or Die Emma Sha Gormley. We are so excited to bring you guys along on this journey with us. You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at Lipstick on the Rim and at Molly B. Sims and at Misha Gormley. Or you can go to my blog where you can dive just a little bit deeper into our favorite products, trends and [e-mail] and tell me more about Emma Shabormally. Don't forget to check out our video episodes on my YouTube channel, Molly Sims. This podcast is of production with Sony Music. Just wanted to give a special thanks to our team. Kyle Fong, Gabby McCormick, Samantha Mellinger, Maya Domick, Chloe Harkins, Third Eye Insights, and of course everyone at Sony Music. Don't forget to listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss out on the fun.