Skin Habits Nobody Talks About, Trends to Skip, and Her Honest Beauty Routine w/Refinery29's Brooke DeVard

Summary

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Lipstick on the Rim — April 14, 2026

Episode: Skin Habits Nobody Talks About, Trends to Skip, and Her Honest Beauty Routine w/Refinery29's Brooke DeVard
Hosts: Molly Sims, Emese Gormley
Guest: Brooke DeVard (Chief Content Officer at Refinery29 & Host, Naked Beauty Podcast)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Molly and Emese welcome beauty innovator Brooke DeVard to dive deep into the real, often overlooked aspects of skin and beauty routines. They touch on the habits nobody talks about, trends worth skipping, what women actually want from wellness, and Brooke's authentic, tested approach to beauty. The trio discuss product rituals, skincare dos and don'ts, trends that deserve a pass, and the power of transparency in how we talk about cosmetic procedures.

Brooke shares her personal wellness journey (including navigating Graves disease), her honest take on injectables and beauty treatments, favorite products (from cleansers to lip gloss), and how self-expression, not perfection, defines her approach. The discussion is rounded out with top beauty lessons, what the industry overcomplicates, and advice for the next generation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Beauty as Self-Expression, Not Performance

• Brooke: "So often beauty is seen as performance... I think once you start to see beauty as self expression, it becomes so much more empowering. So it's not about looking a certain way—it's like, how do I want to feel? There are so many times where I do a specific beauty treatment or practice just for myself." (04:22)
• Memorable Moment: The trio bond over wearing fragrance to bed purely as a mood boost.
  • Brooke: "Sometimes I even put fragrance on, like, before bed." (04:51)
  • Molly: "Me too. I thought I was the only person that does that." (04:54)

2. Making a Product Part of Your Ritual

• Brooke: "There are certain products that I instinctively reach for over and over and over again. And those are the products that I actually love...you just gravitate towards and those are the products that are meant to become part of your routine." (06:09)
• Emphasis on listening to your body and cultivating consistent rituals.

3. Wellness in 2026: Shift to Sustainability & Advocacy

• Brooke: Opens up about her Graves disease diagnosis and how her wellness priorities have shifted from external metrics to internal ones:
  • "I'm like, I just want my blood work to turn out well, like that. That would be a win for me." (13:54)
• On trends: Women want sustainable practices, not whatever's new and overwhelming. "If you have to remember to do it, it's not a part of your ritual." (14:23)

4. Approach to Treatments — What’s Worth It?

• Brooke hasn't done Botox but is open to it—shares honest curiosity and nonjudgment.
• PRFM and microneedling get a nuanced review.
• Importance of practicality: "I can't, with all of those, like, different treatments." (16:03)
• Hair care: Braiding as self-care and time investment.
• "Being a mom changed what I value: give me an hour to get ready with a cocktail and a good playlist..." (06:39)

5. Her “Top Shelf” Routine (Quick Fire Faves)

• Cleanser: Vitner's Daughter (06:43)
• Serum: Ranavat Saffron Serum (06:47)
• Moisturizer: Wise Moisturizer (17:00)
• SPF: Laroche-Posay Melod B (17:12)
• Exfoliating Pads: Molly's (exfoliating pads with a "beautiful cushion to them") (18:14)
• Makeup Base: Haus Labs Foundation (23:39)
• Mascara: Thrive Mascara (24:11)
• Lip Gloss: Saie Beauty (24:54)
• Fragrance: Her own Naked Beauty (neroli, green tea, sandalwood); not a fan of heavy scents like Frederic Malle's Portrait of a Lady (19:05)

6. Transparency in Cosmetic Procedures

• Open conversation about under-eye surgery (blepharoplasty), Botox (masseter), and the importance of de-influencing and sharing real experiences with results and side effects. (27:14–29:40)
• Brooke: "Cosmetic treatments, topicals, can only bring you so far. Sometimes you do need to get a treatment to correct something that's bothering you." (29:28)
• Advice: See the right medical specialist (ocular plastic surgeons for eyes) (31:00)

7. Trends–Worth It, Skip it, or Overhyped? (Rapid Fire, 32:07)

• Lymphatic drainage facial massage: Worth it (32:10)
• Hair slugging / bonnets: Worth it and culturally foundational; happy to see the practice spreading (32:24)
• Medicube Collagen Mask: Good, but she prefers the Biodance mask (33:08)
• Vibration plate: Not worth it (33:44)
• Microcurrent facial massagers: They work if you use them; hard to be consistent (34:04)
• Skin flooding: Your skin has a saturation point; consistency over excess (34:36)
• Castor oil packs: Nice, but not transformative (35:18)
• Face/ear taping, rubber bands for instant lift: Not worth it, temporary at best (35:38)

8. What the Beauty Industry Overcomplicates

• Brooke: "There's this marketing narrative that your skin is something that's never going to quite be where it needs to be...what you need is consistency. Stick to the products that work for you...you don't need to dramatically overhaul your whole system every quarter." (20:35)
• Layering: Avoid overkill—products can pill, less is often more.

9. Overpriced & Overhyped Products

• Expensive hyaluronic acid, some supplements (magnesium gets a pass for efficacy, though).
• Molly: "The supplement world has gotten crazy." (22:28)
• Brooke: "It's hard for me to say what's overpriced because you can find value in every category." (23:23)

10. Career, Media & Representation

• Refinery29 at 20: Unique storytelling, a platform for marginalized communities, pioneering digital media and street style (07:55, 08:58)
• Committed to using platform for creators underrepresented in fashion/beauty (45:38)
• Passions rooted in childhood: "The things that you're interested in when you're younger, that's what you're meant to do." (51:27)

11. Personal Touches

• Moving from NY to LA for family, space, and lifestyle (48:09)
• Her own “rule breaking”: Layering new makeup over old, not restarting completely (46:25)
• Oral hygiene laziness: Brooke's mom is obsessed with a 30-min oral care routine, but she keeps it simple. (47:29)

12. Best Beauty & Skin Lessons (From 10 Years of Naked Beauty)

• Consistent thread among guests with great skin:
  • Sleep on your back
  • Minimal alcohol
  • Low sugar
  • Sunscreen every day (36:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Brooke on Beauty as Mood:
  "Beauty is mood setting. You wanna do your makeup in a certain way to evoke a certain mood, not just because you are correcting something." (05:13)
• On Product Ritual:
  "If you have to remember to do it, it’s not part of your ritual." (14:23)
• On Industry Confusion:
  "People feel overwhelmed by this idea that you need to layer in a new product or that you have to change your products dramatically from season to season." (20:35)
• On Fragrance:
  "Anytime I hear about a viral fragrance, I'm like, I can't. It's got to be a personal choice." (19:32)
• On Sustainable Wellness:
  "I'm like, I just want my blood work to turn out well, like that. That would be a win for me." (13:54)
• On Under-Eye Surgery Openness:
  "No cream, no eye patch was ever going to make me not look like I was exhausted...That transparency is beautiful and I think we're seeing more and more of it." (29:00)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:00-04:22: Brooke’s philosophy—beauty as self-expression
• 06:09-07:43: Product rituals, motherhood, & making time for beauty
• 13:07-14:49: Brooke’s Graves disease diagnosis & shift in wellness goals
• 16:03-17:43: Honest talk on treatments, hair ritual, and time investment
• 17:57-18:22: Skincare routine specifics; double cleansing, wipes, and favorite products
• 20:35-21:29: Overcomplication in skincare—industry critique
• 22:32-23:32: Supplements, hyaluronic acid, and what’s worth the splurge
• 24:11-25:33: Makeup and lip product obsessions
• 27:14-31:24: Cosmetic procedures—under-eye surgery, Botox, sharing real results
• 32:07-36:39: Trending treatments: what’s worth it, what’s hype
• 36:46: Four common habits among people with great skin
• 44:58-46:16: How Brooke’s family shaped her beauty career and worldview
• 51:27: Brooke’s advice to her 10-year-old self

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Final Takeaways

• Consistency, sustainability, and joy are the future of beauty and wellness routines.
• Don’t chase trends—chase what truly works and makes you feel good.
• Honesty and transparency (especially around treatments and surgeries) are becoming more valued and destigmatized.
• The industry overcomplicates skincare far more than necessary.
• Representation and using platforms like Refinery29 to uplift unheard voices still matter, 20 years on.

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For Further Inspiration

• Listen to Naked Beauty Podcast (Brooke DeVard): Deep, nuanced interviews on beauty and beyond.
• Try simplifying your routine: skincare and beauty are about consistency and how you feel—not the next product or viral hack.
• Question industry hype, ask what rituals feel right for you, and embrace transparency in your beauty journey.

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Follow

• Brooke DeVard: @brookedevard
• Lipstick on the Rim: @lipstickontherim, @mollybsims
• Refinery29: refinery29.com

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Transcript

[Molly Sims]

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Hey, I'm Molly Sims.

[Emesha Gormley]

And I'm Emisha Gormley. We're two girls obsessed with one thing.

[Molly Sims]

Beauty. And by that, we mean everything that makes you look and feel beautiful.

[Emesha Gormley]

We're calling on our favorite health experts,

[Brooke Devard]

industry insiders and friends to answer all

[Molly Sims]

your beauty questions with a drink in hand.

[Brooke Devard]

Definitely with a drink in hand.

[Molly Sims]

You're listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims. We're so excited. Today's a little bit of extra fun because we have someone who also lives and breathes beauty the same way we do.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

She's a podcast host and beauty obsessive in the absolute best way.

[Molly Sims]

In the best way. But she is the Chief content officer at Refinery29. She is the founder of the Naked Beauty Podcast. Brooke Devard, welcome to Lipstick on the Rim. We're so happy to have you.

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, I'm so excited to be here. And I'm so excited to be in conversation with other beauty podcasters. This is very rare.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

This is very rare.

[Molly Sims]

Very rare.

[Brooke Devard]

There aren't that many of us, actually.

[Molly Sims]

Brooke won the I heart Best Beauty and Wellness podcast after us in 2025. Last year, we won in 2024, and we're actually both nominated again this year.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

So we're thrilled if you win.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah, we're thrilled as well.

[Brooke Devard]

Listen, if I start an affair with one of you, we can have a heated rivalry level drama behind the scenes.

[Molly Sims]

You are an incredible, outspoken podcast host. You have great taste. You know, when she walks in, she's in these amazing chocolate brown dark corduroy pants.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Did you see her Bottega bag?

[Molly Sims]

Her bot. That's the Bottega I was telling you with like a slightly croc peavey boot, with like just a turtleneck black with a great belt.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

And then the skin is just glowing, which we can't. Thank God we're talking about beauty because I want to know all your secrets.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. Thank you. And both of you have great skin and great style.

[Molly Sims]

You have said you see beauty, fashion, and wellness as a way to express yourself, not a utility. What does that actually mean in your everyday life?

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah, I think so often beauty is seen as performance. Right. I have to look a certain way so that I can be in this room. I have to present a certain way so that I'm accepted. And I think once you start to see beauty as self expression, it becomes so much more empowering. So it's not about looking a certain way. It's like, how do I want to feel There are so many times where I do a specific beauty treatment or practice just for myself. I'll be at home alone and put on fragrance because it makes me feel a certain way.

[Molly Sims]

You guys could be best friends, too, Literally.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I put fragrance on every day.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. Sometimes I even put fragrance on, like, before bed.

[Molly Sims]

Me too.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes.

[Molly Sims]

I thought I was the only person that does that.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I love when I can, like, smell it on my pillow the next day.

[Molly Sims]

I don't. I feel like I'm gonna vomit before

[Brooke Devard]

I go to bed.

[Molly Sims]

But she loves every now and then when we're together in a hotel room, y' all just. She'll slightly go, like. I can just like a little swish. I can hear. It just makes me feel good.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah. And it's a mood boost. It's a mood boost. Exactly. And I think that beauty is mood setting. A lot of times, you know, it's like you wanna do your makeup in a certain way to evoke a certain mood. Not necessarily because you are correcting something or you feel like you have to show up a certain way.

[Molly Sims]

No.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I think we always say. I mean, this comes from big mama, but when you look good, you feel good. When you feel good, you look good.

[Molly Sims]

So it all comes back. Everybody's like, I want to lose five pounds or I want to lose ten pounds. And now those women have actually lost the five or ten pounds. They're still not happy.

[Brooke Devard]

Absolutely.

[Molly Sims]

Because they don't feel good in their body. Because it takes a lot to get a product for you to talk about, which we want to talk about, like how you kind of personally test a product. But it's hard.

[Emesha Gormley]

It is hard.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I think we. I mean, listen, I think we're all. All three of us are very lucky to get to try products, treatments. So my question for you is, you get to try all of these things. What turns something into an actual ritual or daily use for you or daily treatment or weekly whatever.

[Brooke Devard]

For me, it's so interesting. I've noticed that when I have all of my products on the shelf, the things that I just instinctively reach for, it's almost like your body knows. Your body knows. And I find that there are certain products that I instinctively reach for over and over and over again. And those are the products that I actually love. It may not be the one in the most beautiful packaging. It may not be the most expensive product, but I find that they're just those products that you gravitate towards, and those are the products that are meant to become part of your routine.

[Molly Sims]

Being a mom have those products changed?

[Brooke Devard]

Oof. I don't think the products have changed. I will tell you what has changed since being a mom. This idea of like a 5 minute face or a 10 minute face. I no longer put a premium on that. Give me an hour to get ready and a cocktail and a good playlist. My thing is I put on Sex and the City. I want the kids far away. Like, please don't even talk to me. My husband, please don't talk to me. I want time to get ready. Like that to me, helps me enjoy the night. The more time I get to spend getting ready, the better the night's gonna be.

[Molly Sims]

You know, I have to say I'm spending a little bit longer. You know, sometimes I get my hair and makeup done and so I'm not really in charge of it, but like when I am in charge of it. I did this at super bowl and I took my time.

[Brooke Devard]

It's nice.

[Molly Sims]

I have a cocktail.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

If I'm going out, I have a cocktail.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes, I have a cocktail.

[Molly Sims]

I just got my nails done in my room. But like it took me like a good 45 minutes. Like it was nice.

[Brooke Devard]

It's nice. It's nice. And I think I used to be in that kind of like, okay, what's my quick five minute face? And it's like, actually it's really nice to take your time. And maybe it's because as a mom, I have so little time that when I do have the luxury of time, I really want to like live in it.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Enjoy it.

[Brooke Devard]

Enjoy it. Exactly.

[Molly Sims]

So you're a full time beauty wellness podcast host, but you are chief Creative Officer at Refinery29. Tell us a little bit about. Because it's. That's super exciting.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes, Chief Content Officer. Refinery29 just celebrated 20 years, so I know it's amazing. And I can remember Refinery 29 and how meaningful all of their stories were they've always stood for. Highlighting marginalized communities, telling the stories of women that often don't get the limelight. And so I've been taking all of my experience working mostly across cities, tech and entertainment. I was at Instagram for many years to think about how do we evolve those stories for the way we consume today? Right. It may not only be on dot com, it may be on Instagram, it may be on TikTok, it may be long form content on YouTube, but how do we still tell stories about women and that center women and serve our audience? So it's been wonderful.

[Molly Sims]

I just love. They've always been unique in their storytelling and Their point of view and to your point, not just what always gets airtime.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes.

[Molly Sims]

I love that. I love how they speak about beauty. I love, look, I do love that, you know, what is, what's trending. Right. They're very up on pop culture, they're very up on trends, but it always comes from a very good rooted place.

[Brooke Devard]

Oh yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I think it also always to me served as the first official bridge from print media to digital. They were kind of the first, like I was working in PR for years. I mean for truly like 20 years plus. And it was the first online publication that was always like a score. Editorially speaking, from a PR perspective, to

[Molly Sims]

get like it was, it was.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

They were the bridge to digital.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah, absolutely. Very much. Pioneers and pioneers and things that we don't even think about anymore, like street style. Like no one was just capturing what regular New Yorkers were wearing on the street. So we've been thinking a lot about how do we evolve those franchises and continue to tell stories in new ways.

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[Molly Sims]

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[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

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[Molly Sims]

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[Emesha Gormley]

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[Molly Sims]

Let's start with wellness. Okay, we're 2026. Where are we in in terms of what women want to do for what

[Brooke Devard]

do I want to do for wellness? Or do you think women what do I think women want to do so, Molly, you know, because we talked about it when you were on Naked Beauty, but I was diagnosed with Graves disease, which was kind of this, like, bombshell diagnosis to give your listeners more background. I was just feeling really not at home in my body. My heart rate was going really fast. My hands would be shaking. I was sweating all the time. It was, you know, I was just 100% sure that something was wrong and I needed to get to the bottom of it. So for me, 20, 26, you know, getting that diagnosis at the end of last year is all about, like, feeling good, getting my labs into a good place. You know, people talk about wanting to be a certain size. I'm like, I just want my blood work to turn out well, like that. That would be a win for me. So I'm very much.

[Molly Sims]

I love your story because she did not give up. And that's. We always talk about, you know, advocate for you, advocate for your family, advocate for your look. You were kind of in a deep, dark place. Like you were saying you were plummeting, like, within just your body.

[Brooke Devard]

Exactly, exactly. So getting to the bottom of that and getting on top of that is, I think, one of my biggest wellness priorities in terms of what I think women want in general. I think they want something that's sustainable.

[Sponsor or Advertisement Voice]

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[Brooke Devard]

We just. We're just so bombarded with consumerism and messages of the new thing you have to add into your routine. And, like, who has time to wade through all of the research about what works and what doesn't work? I think people want things that they can sustain long term and that make them feel good, that aren't things that they have to chase or remember to do. If you have to remember to do it, it's not a part of your ritual. You know, I do love rituals.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah. You know, again, they can be reading right before you go to bed or a bath, like drinking, you know, hot lemon water in the morning before you have coffee. I mean, it doesn't matter. But I do think the ones that you're going to be consistent with, that's kind of the easier ones.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Molly Sims]

Okay. Beauty. Are we getting treatments? What are we doing?

[Brooke Devard]

What are we doing?

[Molly Sims]

What are we loving?

[Brooke Devard]

I. Okay, so treatments wise, I have not delved into a lot of, like, injectables or Botox, but I'm open to it. So whenever I tell people, like, oh, I haven't done Botox.

[Molly Sims]

You do not need Botox.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

You don't need anything.

[Brooke Devard]

Thank you so much. But I'm open to it. I've done prfm. But I only did it once, which I did prfm. Okay. I did it multiple times. Multiple times.

[Molly Sims]

I did PRFM with microneedling.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay.

[Molly Sims]

With the Morpheus. It was good for my skin.

[Brooke Devard]

I mean, your skin looks great. Did you feel like you saw an immediate difference after one treatment?

[Molly Sims]

I did two.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. And did. And you.

[Molly Sims]

But I did the PDRFM just with the last one.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. Yeah, I. I did one treatment and apparently have to continue to do it to really see a big difference. And then things for like chemical peels and there's so much downtime and I'm like, I don't have.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yeah, we don't have that, guys.

[Molly Sims]

You don't have it. You've got two kids, you're busy. You're running a company, you're running another company.

[Brooke Devard]

I can't. I can't with. With all of those, like different treatments. I think I probably spend a lot of time getting my hair braided. That takes like two days.

[Molly Sims]

Does it really? It's so pretty. Her hair is like gorgeous long.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. I've got waist length micro braids.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

And how long will that last?

[Brooke Devard]

So two months.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Okay.

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, two months. But I just signed a brand partnership with a brand that needs me to wash my hair and I have to take my braids out. So I'm like, oh, I've got to take them out early. But it's a good partnership and I'm good a.

[Molly Sims]

It's good partnership. And your hair is amazing.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Thank you.

[Molly Sims]

Okay, we're gonna do a little top shelf quick run through cleanser. You swear by.

[Brooke Devard]

Ooh, okay. I love the Vitner's Daughter cleanser. Have you all tried that one?

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

It's really good.

[Brooke Devard]

It's really good. It's almost like a double cleanser and a single cleanser serum. You consistently repurchase the Ranavat Saffron serum.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Oh, okay. What about a moisturizer you reach for when your skin feels off?

[Brooke Devard]

I love the wise moisturizer.

[Molly Sims]

Extremely rich. It's so good.

[Brooke Devard]

It's so good. It has a great, just like texture to it.

[Molly Sims]

And the ceramides, it goes on thin, but it acts thick. Spf you love wearing.

[Brooke Devard]

Boring answer, but very accessible. There's a Larouche posay. I think it's the melod be that works to combat hyperpigmentation. Easy. Perfect.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

What about an extra step that you'll never give up?

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, that's such a good question. I'm a double cleansing girl like you are.

[Molly Sims]

We are not. We're not really.

[Brooke Devard]

See, I feel like to get your makeup off, well, you have to have, like, especially if you're wearing mascara or

[Molly Sims]

any makeup remover for mascara.

[Brooke Devard]

So I do an oil cleanser. I like the Shiseido cleansing oil.

[Molly Sims]

I literally just talked about it with my team. I'm not gonna lie. It's a little bit expensive, but you get a big bottle now they have like three or four or five cleansing oils, depending on if you have hyperpigmentation, if you have acne. I love a cleansing oil.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah. And then that's an oldie but goodie. Yes. And then I follow it up with another cleanser, but I think just. Yeah. Sunscreen, mascara. Washing my face once just doesn't feel like quite enough. So I feel like I'm always going to be a double cleanser.

[Molly Sims]

Do you love any type of wipe? Do you use any type of wipes?

[Brooke Devard]

Well, I've tried your exfoliating pads, which I really love, and they're unlike any exfoliating pad I've used because they have that, like, beautiful cushion to them.

[Molly Sims]

And the pocket.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yeah, pocket.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. I also love the clean skin club. Just like cloths. I feel like that's a good thing to have on hand in your bathroom.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

What's a cult favorite product that didn't

[Sponsor or Advertisement Voice]

work out for you?

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, okay. So I talk to people a lot about fragrance. I developed a fragrance in 2023, the Naked Beauty fragrance. And so I've spent a lot of time talking to people about their favorite fragrances, and I just kept hearing how much people loved Frederic Mall's Portrait of a Lady. It's this very sophisticated, very kind of luxurious, rich fragrance. And I tried it. You know, I sprayed it on tester. I was like, you what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna buy this. And it's just. It's just really not for me. It's just, it's. It's a heavy cloud of.

[Molly Sims]

It's very heavy. The notes are heavy. It feels heavy. It's beautiful.

[Brooke Devard]

It's, it's. It's pretty, but it's not for me. Yeah, it's. It's. It's the rose and the patchouli.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I agree with you.

[Brooke Devard]

Feels a little overwhelming for me.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I totally agree. But it's.

[Brooke Devard]

It's just a good reminder about how personal fragrance is.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yep.

[Molly Sims]

Someone, she's obsessed with fragrance. I just gave her a new fragrance from Henry Rose London, 1983.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. That's a beautiful one. It's a beautiful one. The travel.

[Molly Sims]

So good.

[Brooke Devard]

But ye think it's also been interesting learning about again. This fragrance category, my fragrance is a clean fragrance that's sold at Credo Beauty. People are always looking for fragrance recommendations, but I really think you can't trust other people's recommendations. You really have to try it for yourself, smell it for yourself. So anytime I hear, like, discussion about a viral fragrance, I'm like, I can't. It's. It's got to be a personal choice.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yeah. You have to know the notes that work for you, too.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes, that's. That's it. And I love, like, my fragrance is neroli, green tea. Sandalwood. I love. Love neroli. Anything with neroli, like, sign me up.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah, I love sandalwood.

[Brooke Devard]

I love sandalwood, too.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I love musk. I love. I love Ambroxan.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. So clean. That kind of, like, laundry scent.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Ambroxan is one of my favorite.

[Brooke Devard]

So do you also like ISO E Super, because that gives that same kind of clean. Yeah, it's in, like, eccentric molecules, if you know that fragrance.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I love eccentric molecules.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. You're going to love the Naked Beauty fragrance. I'm going to send it to you.

[Molly Sims]

Oh, please.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. I'm going to send it to both of you.

[Molly Sims]

What do you think the beauty industry overcomplicates the most right now?

[Brooke Devard]

There's so much they overcomplicate. I mean, I think when it comes to skincare especially, I hear from so many people that feel so overwhelmed because there's this kind of marketing narrative that your skin is something that is never going to quite be where it needs to be. And it's just this continual project. And there's like this quest for perfect skin that you have to kind of always be on. And really what you need is consistency. Just, like, stick to the products that work for you and use those consistently, and then you'll see results. So I think people feel really overwhelmed and confused by this idea that you always need to layer in a new product or even, to be quite honest, that you have to change your products dramatically from season to season. This idea of, like, okay, now we're moving into spring. I mean, of course, certain things, like, maybe it gets a little lighter, and then in the winter things get heavier. But I don't think you need to dramatically overhaul your whole system. Your whole system every quarter.

[Molly Sims]

I think it gets really tricky when it's this toners and the serums and the essence and the, you know, for me, a big, like, things can't pill under. So if I'm layering, especially for wise beauty, like, I can't. I like to Layer so it can't. Like. It just hates.

[Brooke Devard]

I hate when stuff pills.

[Molly Sims]

I hate when stuff pills. I also, you know, I don't give as much credit, but micellar water for makeup remover is always a good.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I always have the Bioderma face wipes.

[Molly Sims]

I love those too.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Those are great.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

Has some purple wipes that I bought.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Oh, really?

[Molly Sims]

They're really good. What's something consumers are spending way too much on?

[Brooke Devard]

Ooh, something consumers are spending too much money on. That's such a good question. I would say just, like, a new thing all the time. You know, I. I can't think of a. It's hard to say a product category that's overpriced because there's.

[Molly Sims]

I think people are doing. I think the supplement world has gotten crazy.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

But I also think hyaluronic acid. I think there's, like, some hyaluronic acids that are outrageously expensive.

[Molly Sims]

They're like, $350, and you're like, there's no way hyaluronic drops are that expensive.

[Brooke Devard]

So one of my favorite hyaluronic Acids is from Dr. Barbara Sturm. I think it's around $110. And people will routinely say that that's, like, extremely overpriced, but for me, it works, and, like, it makes my skin happy. So, again, it's like, it's hard to say. And then to your point about supplements, I love, like, magnesium. At night, I feel like it helps me sleep so well.

[Molly Sims]

We're going to run a magnesium brand, because as much as I've never met more women talk about magnesium, magnesium in the past six months. And it's. I mean, I used to talk about it a year or two ago, but now it is. I mean, from ingesting it, supplements, powders, bath, it's a handle.

[Brooke Devard]

And it just makes me feel better. So, yeah, it's. So it's hard for me to say, like, what's overpriced, because I feel like you can find value in every product category.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I agree with that.

[Molly Sims]

Okay, I'm gonna go back to your makeup. What's an everyday base you like? It can be a skin tint, a foundation.

[Brooke Devard]

Ooh, I love the Haus Labs foundation. Have you all tried that?

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I do like it. I actually like her concealer as well.

[Molly Sims]

We like.

[Brooke Devard]

The concealer is beautiful.

[Molly Sims]

Her blush. The cloud. I love the cloud.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Glossy.

[Molly Sims]

Glossy.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

The glossy balm.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes. It's, like, beautiful formulation.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I think it's called glassy. Yeah, it's glassy. Glassy skin. It's Like a stick. Yeah, it's a really pretty blush.

[Brooke Devard]

It's one of those, you know, celebrity brands get trampled through the mud. No one trusts the celebrity brand. But Haus Labs has really impressed me.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I agree.

[Molly Sims]

I agree. Mascara, you're loyal to.

[Brooke Devard]

I like the Thrive cosmetics.

[Molly Sims]

Everybody loves that. Everybody loves that.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

That's a cult favorite.

[Brooke Devard]

Cult. You know, a new thing that I've discovered that I'm obsessed with magnetic lashes. I ordered them from this Japanese company called Wasato. And you quite simply, just clamp them onto your lash. No glue, no mascara, nothing. And then you just take them off. And then you put them back in their little case. A game changer.

[Molly Sims]

Toby Fleischmann, my makeup artist, started using a new lash. I'm going to find out if that's it. But she does a tool. She just presses it. But there's no glue.

[Brooke Devard]

No glue. There are these little micro magnets on the lash strip. Leave it to the Japanese to innovate. But beautiful.

[Molly Sims]

Feathery.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes.

[Molly Sims]

Gorgeous.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

What about a lip gloss? What's your favorite lip gloss?

[Brooke Devard]

Ooh. Right now I'm wearing the Saie Beauty lip gloss that I think is really nice.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I love their lip glosses.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah. I just have a constant rotation of lip glosses in my bag. What do you guys like for lip gloss?

[Molly Sims]

Okay.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I'm wearing the wise.

[Molly Sims]

I'm wearing it girl right now. But I'm also wearing summer Fridays. It's called rosette. It's like a beautiful rose pink, but it almost like felt like a watercolor stain.

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, beautiful.

[Molly Sims]

Like, if you think benefit, like in like a pen.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Molly Sims]

It's really pretty from summer Fridays.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. I'll have to check that out.

[Molly Sims]

I love nudist from Jones Road.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay.

[Molly Sims]

It's just like a great nude spice. Saie has also a beautiful bounce is

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

the one I like for.

[Molly Sims]

Say, bounce is really good.

[Brooke Devard]

Have you tried the Edam balms?

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I love edum.

[Molly Sims]

I love edum.

[Brooke Devard]

So good.

[Molly Sims]

I love my fashion late from Wise Beauty. I love. Oh, there was one. There's such a good color, like a black honey, but it's from Edam. I think it's. It's. It's their choo choo balm. But it's more of the kind of the.

[Brooke Devard]

Is it the mochi? Is it the boba?

[Molly Sims]

It's the boba.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay.

[Molly Sims]

It's really good.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

All of their colors are some sort of Asian dessert.

[Brooke Devard]

Is it a boba? A mochi?

[Molly Sims]

Yes. I think those are. I think I love them. What else in Terms of lip, trying

[Brooke Devard]

to think what I can do.

[Molly Sims]

I still love a good Chanel Red.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. Classic, classic.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I love their cocoa bombs, the Chanel Cocoa, because they're like a hybrid gloss bomb. They go on like a lipstick, but they give you shine like a gloss.

[Molly Sims]

You know what I bought because of Margot Robbie, Patty Dubroff, I bought that.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

That's what I have on right here.

[Molly Sims]

The Moonbeam from Chanel.

[Brooke Devard]

I just heard her talking about that for her weathering.

[Molly Sims]

I think I have it. Did she talk about it for weathering?

[Brooke Devard]

She talked about it, yes.

[Molly Sims]

She was on a few weeks ago, and she was like, you've got to get this moon me. And I went. When I got your Christmas present, I went to Chanel and I got two, like, bombs or something.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

That's literally what I have on my cheek. I think they just add such a nice glow without it being glittery balm essentiale. Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

In like, a Moonbeam. It's really pretty.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. You can just kind of put over

[Molly Sims]

the layer, like, your eye. Let's talk in office treatments. Do you like facials, lasers? Like, what do you see that you're women that you, you know, you run a massive media. What are they loving?

[Brooke Devard]

So it's so interesting. I was just talking to our beauty director, Jackie, and she did mass Botox, like, in her jaw. But she had some unexpected jowling, which she's writing about for the site, because she's like, everyone talks about masseter Botox as this kind of, like, must get treatment. But there were some side effects that I didn't anticipate. So I also think that we're going to see more of that, like, people de influencing certain treatments. And I don't know if you've seen this discussion that people are having about keep your lower bleph. Have you seen this? There's a whole thing about how everyone's going out and getting blephot blepharoplasty.

[Molly Sims]

I had.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I had my lower bleph.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. So 10 years. I'll tell you the, the. The. This kind of viral tick tock in the conversation around it. And then I want to hear your experience. But there's this idea that actually, like, having some, you know, baggage under the eyes is, like, very cool. We don't have to, like, always chase perfection. It's very, like, French girl chic. Like, you've. You've been up all night partying, and you don't have to, like, rush and, like, fix it just because it's become the popular thing to do. That being said, whatever you want to fix. And I'm putting fix in quotes, which

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

for me, it was not about 10 years.

[Molly Sims]

I mean, she had. It aged me.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

It really did, in a way that bothered me, and I tried everything. I didn't do filler because everyone I like. My derm in New York was like, no way. Like, it's not a thing.

[Molly Sims]

And it was a pocket.

[Brooke Devard]

It was.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I had three when I went to the surgeon in the summer. I did it before.

[Sponsor or Advertisement Voice]

I mean, I committed to it before.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

It just feels like it kind of exploded overnight. But I booked my surgery in August, and I did it at the end of September, and it was the single best thing I ever did for myself.

[Brooke Devard]

Wow. I love that.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

It really wasn't like, I've never.

[Molly Sims]

We've never done.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I've never done plastic surgery on my face. I haven't done plastic surgery, period. I get Botox. I've never. I put filler in my face twice. I think I do my lip, and that's it. And it was truly, like, a game changer for me in that it was no cream, no eye patch was ever going to make me not look like I was exhausted. And that's hard.

[Molly Sims]

She tried, I tried, and it was

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

all I could see.

[Brooke Devard]

And I think it's so good that you say that, because I think people do think that cosmetic treatments, topicals, can only bring you so far. Sometimes you do need to get a treatment to correct something that's bothering you. So I love that it worked for you.

[Molly Sims]

It bothered her for 10 years.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

It was so bad. We were at the Springsteen. My husband produced Bruce Springsteen's Race to Nowhere, his movie. And we were at the premiere, and

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

it was the night before my surgery.

[Molly Sims]

It was the night before her surgery. And I'm like, thank God your eyes look terrible. Because she started saying, well, I was like, okay, you weren't going to back out.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I wasn't gonna back out. I'd already, like, put my deposit down. I was not backing out.

[Molly Sims]

But she was starting to get a. Because it's hard. You're. You know, you're going in. Yeah, you're going under for an elective.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

But I was also very open about it on social media. I was very much about sharing because I, you know, some people said to me, like, I can't believe you're sharing. And I'm like, what am I gonna do? Am I gonna get up and all of a sudden in 10 days, be like, oh, my God, my eye cream started working overnight. Or like, I used a Magic eye patch. And now my eyes are.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Why? And the thing is, is that everything I did did the best that it could, but it was still a problem.

[Molly Sims]

She worked so hard every day on it.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah. Well, that transparency is beautiful and I think we're seeing more and more of it. Yeah. So I think, yes, there's this hunger for transparency and. Yeah, just real talk. So hearing from people that did it, were reluctant to do it and loved the results. People that didn't maybe didn't do as much research and this is for any cosmetic treatment and weren't happy with the results. And sharing those stories, I think is huge.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Well, I think big part of it too. I'm just. Just throw this out there as a PSA for anyone that wants to do it. Go to an ocular plastic surgeon if you do. I think that, like, I actually talked to somebody and they were like, well, I went to this person who does boobs, but he also does under eyes. And I was like, not the same. Not the same.

[Molly Sims]

I mean, listen, I'm sure there's, you know, doctors out there who can do more than one thing. I think if it's eyes, you're going ocular.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brooke Devard]

But I do love a facial treatment. I love biologique recherche. I think they do a wonderful facial at their on facade location in Melrose. That feels like a nice little treat to myself. I do lymphatic drainage facials as well. That.

[Molly Sims]

Who do you love?

[Brooke Devard]

Feels like her name is Sheila. Her it's called Sheila's Beauty center in Beverly Hills. She does a great job. I always feel very snatched and sculpted afterwards.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Glowing.

[Brooke Devard]

Thank you. Thank you. But, yeah, I love a good facial. That's my go to.

[Sponsor or Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

We're going to go through some current beauty and wellness trends. Let us know if it's worth it. Harmless but unnecessary. Not worth the hype.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay, worth it. Harmless but unnecessary. Not worth the hype. Okay, I got it.

[Molly Sims]

Lymphatic drainage facial massage.

[Brooke Devard]

Worth it. Worth it.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

What about hair slugging? I don't even know what that is.

[Brooke Devard]

Like putting on a hair mask before you go to bed at night. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

That hair slugging.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah, I love that.

[Molly Sims]

I think that's really great. My daughter and I look like we are doing an episode of Little House on the Prairie. We've started wearing bonnets.

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, my gosh. I mean, you're talking to a black woman.

[Molly Sims]

I love it.

[Brooke Devard]

Black women wear bonnets to bed every single night. And I love that it's reaching other communities as I see these Videos about the morning shed and oh my gosh, if you wrap your hair at night, it looks so much better in the morning. So welcome, thank you. To the community of hair wrappers.

[Molly Sims]

I'm so honored to be a part of it because it really does.

[Brooke Devard]

It does.

[Molly Sims]

I have never, like my daughter started doing it. I didn't wake up and her ends wouldn't be crimped and she wouldn't be like. Cause I sweat, you know, sometimes at night, like underneath like the nape of my neck.

[Brooke Devard]

It makes a huge difference.

[Molly Sims]

It does. I try it on Amazon and I'm off.

[Brooke Devard]

Once you add in the heatless rollers, you're going to have a whole system.

[Molly Sims]

Oh, girl, I used to do that when I was young. Medicube Collagen overnight wrapping mask.

[Brooke Devard]

I think it's good. I'm going to tell you the one that I think is better. The bio dance mask you talked about.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Biodance.

[Molly Sims]

I so sleep in it. Yes.

[Brooke Devard]

You're meant to sleep in it. You have to leave it on for at least, I think they say three to five hours. So it's. It's opaque. And then by the time you wake up, it's clear because everything's absorbed.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

But you have to lay on your back.

[Brooke Devard]

No, it sticks on within 30 minutes. It really adheres to your skin. And it's actually made of serum. So it's not a sheet that's soaked in something. It's made of serum itself.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Molly Sims]

I think that's good.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I'm actually curious what your thoughts are on this, because I kind of want to get one. A vibration plate.

[Brooke Devard]

Not worth it. Absolutely not. I mean, can you really take. Change your body standing still, you know, curious about it.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

There's so much out there about it

[Molly Sims]

for the digestion, circulation.

[Brooke Devard]

What's the oldest saying in the book? Like, if it feels too good to

[Molly Sims]

be true, it probably is microcurrent facial massagers.

[Brooke Devard]

I do believe in those. I mean, they've. I think new face was one of the very. Like, it was. The big thing was that it got FDA approved. They work. You just have to remember to use.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I know, exactly.

[Brooke Devard]

Plug it in, charge it, remember to use it. But they do work.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Lymphatic drainage facial brushes.

[Brooke Devard]

I don't think you need the brush. I think your hands do a great job.

[Molly Sims]

Literally. Your knuckles.

[Brooke Devard]

Exactly.

[Molly Sims]

You know, if you have a gouache on hand, if you have like an ice roller. But your knuckles can do wonders.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes.

[Molly Sims]

Skin flooding. So over layering hydrators.

[Brooke Devard]

I think your skin has like a Saturation point. And then after that, you're kind of just diluting your skincare. But then also, people have different drop. Like, my skin is on the drier side, so what it takes for my skin to be hydrated may be flooding for someone else.

[Molly Sims]

Do you. Do you sandwich and mix a lot?

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, definitely, yes. And I'm a big fan of having a facial spritz as you're, like, layering on your skincare. Especially if you get distracted and you're talking, you want the skin to be juicy and a little wet before you put on that next layer.

[Molly Sims]

Well, it's kind of like I have eczema. And it's kind of like what they say when you get out of the shower, get out of the bath, put your moisturizer on because it seals it in. Castor oil packs.

[Brooke Devard]

No, no. Anytime I hear about, like, your organs being detoxed, I'm just immediately. But what do you. Do you all believe in the castor oil packs? I mean, it could be relaxing.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I've never done it.

[Molly Sims]

I've done it.

[Brooke Devard]

It's like, it's nice. It's relaxing, but I don't know that it's going to change your.

[Molly Sims]

I agree.

[Brooke Devard]

Internal health.

[Molly Sims]

I agree. But it does help you go to the bathroom.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

What about wrapping rubber bands around your ears for an instant facelift?

[Brooke Devard]

Absolutely not.

[Molly Sims]

Y taping for overnight lift?

[Brooke Devard]

It's just temporary, Right.

[Molly Sims]

I have these sleep marks, okay, from my pillow that I've got to start figuring out.

[Brooke Devard]

Am I meant to see them right now?

[Molly Sims]

Probably, yeah. They're still there.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay. I don't see anything. Do you see anything?

[Molly Sims]

I'm filming later now, but in the morning when I wake up, I can

see these lines, and I'm like, is

it face taping that I need to do? Like, I don't know. I'm gonna try to figure it out.

[Brooke Devard]

I am really impressed by people that sleep on their back. Yeah. I can't.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I can't.

[Brooke Devard]

I can't do it.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I'm a size.

[Molly Sims]

I can't. I'm a side size, and I hug a pillow.

[Brooke Devard]

I can't do it. And. Okay, so for Naked Beauty, I've had the podcast for 10 years. I've interviewed maybe, like, 400 women about beauty, and I try to figure out what are the common threads I see between people who have excellent skin. And I will say that one common thread is they say that they sleep on their back.

[Molly Sims]

I'm gonna have to start sleeping on my back.

[Brooke Devard]

I mean, that's my conclusion. That's my takeaway from all these interviews. Like, okay, you all are sleeping on your back, and they don't drink.

[Molly Sims]

Okay.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Often not happening either.

[Brooke Devard]

Very, very limited sugar intake and sleeping on their back and sunscreen every day. I'd say those are like the four.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I do the sunscreen, I do the sunscreen.

[Molly Sims]

I do not sleep on my back.

[Brooke Devard]

We've got one out of four.

[Molly Sims]

Are there any trends you tried recently that you're skeptical about at first, but now you kind of get the hype?

[Brooke Devard]

The Le G light therapy masks. I was skeptical, and then I got one, and I found that I used it a lot, and I love it. I got the shark Beauty cryo.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Me too.

[Brooke Devard]

And I love those cooling pads under your eyes.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Oh, I haven't tried that one. What about on the flip side? Are there trends that make you cringe every time you see them?

[Brooke Devard]

You know, there really aren't. I was thinking. I've been thinking about this, and I kind of. I feel like people should do what makes them happy.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

People as they're screwed up.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes, exactly.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yeah, I hear you.

[Molly Sims]

10 years of naked beauty. Like you said, you've interviewed hundreds of incredible women, men, people in our community. Not in our community. How has that been? What was it like starting in 2016?

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, my goodness. People didn't even know what podcasts. I mean, it was like, how do I listen to a podcast? Where do I find it? So there was a lot of education just getting people to understand how to listen to a podcast. But to see how much the space has grown is incredible. I feel like there's room for even more podcasts, especially beauty podcasts, where you can go deep. I think there's this idea that beauty is very superficial or it's just about, like, products. And I feel so privileged to be able to spend an hour to go really deep with someone on their personal history, their personal story, and then how beauty is a part of their life. You know, it's like by the time we get to the beauty products, I want my audience to feel like they really know the person. That's why I always start by talking to people about, you know, high school and what. What their relationship is.

[Molly Sims]

That's what we do a lot, too, just to kind of. I mean, everybody knows you, so it's. We didn't, you know, but what was it like starting a podcast with a

[Brooke Devard]

lot of people did? Wasn't a podcast, again, like, just explaining to people what a podcast was, but also really not thinking about this as, like, I'm gonna have this, like, Successful show that's going to make money. And the idea of, like, making money from a podcast was just it. It truly was something I was passionate about and something that I wanted to pour my extra time into. I was working at Viacom at the time that I started it, and it was just like, okay, you know, after work, I'm gonna just gather my friends. I had a. A bunch of friends that were beauty editors in New York, and I'm just gonna interview them at my living room table. I ordered a mic off of Amazon. I had a friend design the logo artwork. And I just started having these conversations and putting them out and seeing how people responded to them. So it really was a passion project and it's something that I've just continued to do for all of these years because I love talking to people.

[Molly Sims]

Do you still enjoy it?

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, of course. Yeah. And I think the moment you don't enjoy it, then that's like your time to. To walk away.

[Molly Sims]

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[Brooke Devard]

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[Emesha Gormley]

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[Molly Sims]

You grew up in New York?

[Brooke Devard]

Yes.

[Molly Sims]

And what was that? What did that look like?

[Brooke Devard]

Gosh. I mean, and I didn't realize it at the time how like unique it was to like go to TRL after school, you know, like to grow up in Manhattan. I was a model with Ford Models. So I would do like go sees, you know, I had track practice, swimming practice. I would do Ghosties. So I was very much, I think growing up in New York City.

[Molly Sims]

5, 10, 5, 11, 6ft.

[Brooke Devard]

I'm like, no tall girl, you are tall. I'm five drinking, but I'll take five. 10.

[Molly Sims]

Your lines are very long.

[Brooke Devard]

Thank you very much. Thank you. I think that growing up in New York City gives you like an awareness of the world at a very young age because you are so, you're around people, you're on the streets, you're on the subway. There's not this like, okay, like in a book or on tv, I'm going to see all these other people or these other cultures. It's like right there next to you. I think you grow up maybe a little faster. When I went, by the time I went to college, it was like very eye opening to meet people from other parts of the country that were drinking for the first time, you know, in college and maybe been a little bit more sheltered than, than I was growing up in New York is. We didn't have house parties. Like we went to clubs. I mean, maybe I shouldn't say this, but in high school we were going to, you know, down to the club. Going to Butter on a Monday night.

[Molly Sims]

It's crazy.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yeah, house parties are butter.

[Brooke Devard]

10 June 1 oak. Like the glory days.

[Molly Sims]

The glory days.

[Brooke Devard]

The second I had my sweet 16 at Marquee.

[Molly Sims]

Oh my God, that's amazing. Have you always loved beauty and fashion?

[Brooke Devard]

I always have loved beauty and fashion. I thought I wanted to be in fashion. I was like a back to back Internet Vogue. I was like, this is going to be my career. I very quickly learned what the starting salary was at Vogue. And it just was not something that I necessarily felt like was sustainable long term. My mom was a beauty executive. She was an SVP at Revlon Cosmetics. So I always had an awareness of the beauty industry. She would bring products home, she would talk to me about the latest marketing campaigns. So I was always very fascinated by beauty and fashion. So I feel like I'm right where I was always meant to be.

[Molly Sims]

And I love your recent work with Refinery. I mean that is like we were saying before, that's a, a, it's a big job. It's a Big job.

[Brooke Devard]

It's a big job. Yeah. And you know, it's, it's Fashion Week now. My team is on the ground. I'm here in la. But we really thought about when we were inviting creators to cover the shows. Who are the creators that don't traditionally get the invitations and opportunities to be front row? If you simply just go down a list and say, okay, who are the people that have the biggest following? That's not interesting. But who are people that have a different gender identity? Who are people that are differently abled, who are people that are plus size who have been frankly ignored by the fashion industry? And how can we. For a long time, for a very long time, how can we use our platform as Refinery29 to get them in the room? And how can we help tell their story by offering our platform?

[Molly Sims]

It's an amazing platform and I'm so happy.

20 years.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

It's amazing.

[Molly Sims]

You're a part of it. A beauty rule. You totally break a beauty rule.

[Brooke Devard]

I totally break. I don't know if it's, if it's beauty specifically. Yeah, I mean, I think something that I do that would probably give a lot of people pause is I am not afraid to layer on makeup on existing makeup. Meaning if I have to go somewhere at 7:00pm and I did my makeup at 10:00am, I will simply just put makeup over the seven, over the 10:00am

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. I actually sometimes feel like it looks better.

[Brooke Devard]

Right. It's like, I don't, I don't.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

It's like you're emollient enough. Like it just melts. Melts in together.

[Brooke Devard]

Right? Yes. My morning makeup has become my primer now.

[Molly Sims]

Yes.

[Brooke Devard]

I love that I have my bases set for me to layer onto, but I think the traditional advice is just to wipe the slate and start over again.

[Molly Sims]

I 100% agree. I have this G beauty spray. It's like a hydration spray that sometimes I'll kind of spray it during the day, kind of reset my makeup, do a little moisturizer instead of redoing it. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

What about something you're lazy about in your routine?

[Brooke Devard]

Gosh, my mom has such an in depth oral care routine. When she does, like, we'll be on FaceTime. And I'm like, you've literally spent 30 minutes. She does a water floss.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

She always had the best teeth ever.

[Brooke Devard]

She's got great teeth and she's like obsessive about oral hygiene. But when I talk to, you know, I have my electric toothbrush and floss and that's it. But she's like, that's like not enough. Do you guys do like extensive.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

No.

[Molly Sims]

No.

[Brooke Devard]

Okay.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

We actually yesterday, floss. We were talking about flossing and how important it is to floss every day. And actually it's apparently connected to your brain health. It's very important to your. Yeah, I had no idea. I'm gonna be flossing every day.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

I don't floss every day.

[Molly Sims]

Do you like living in California?

[Brooke Devard]

I love it. It's so different from New York.

[Molly Sims]

How long have you been here now?

[Brooke Devard]

Three years now. Three years.

[Molly Sims]

And what made you. You've two kids, a husband.

[Brooke Devard]

Pack up. It was just sort of a lifestyle change. We had been. My husband and I had been living in New York. We met when I was living in London, but we'd been living in New York for eight years. The pandemic happened. We had a two year old. During the pandemic. We visited friends of ours that lived out here in la. We stayed at their place in Beechwood Canyon. We would wake up and like, look out at the mountains. This was in January too. We were like, it's, it's, it's nice here. It's warm. I mean, what, what's today? It's February. It's like very beautiful sunny day. So we had that experience of like, okay, the weather's great all the time. We're surrounded by nature and we have so much space. So we were like, let's, let's try it. And I feel like I've completely transformed into a California girl in terms of like, I love my erewhon. I love my goop kitchen. I love going on my little hikes. I love my manta.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

My goop kitchen. Kitchen is so good for the first time today.

[Brooke Devard]

What'd you order?

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

The Chinese chicken salad.

[Brooke Devard]

Salad. Okay. I think I did the harvest bowl. Okay. The harvest bowl is great. They have a miso salmon box. That's great. They have a chicken teriyaki. That's wonderful.

[Molly Sims]

It's really well done.

[Brooke Devard]

It's so well done.

[Molly Sims]

I know.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

They're opening in New York. I heard.

[Brooke Devard]

That's what I hear. It's our east Coast. So New Yorkers, get ready.

[Molly Sims]

I'm like, what are your favorite restaurants in California?

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, goodness. Can I say Goop Kitchen is my favorite restaurant in la?

[Molly Sims]

Yeah.

[Brooke Devard]

I mean, I love goop Kitchen. We are very close to Studio City, so there are all of these places.

[Molly Sims]

Amazing.

[Brooke Devard]

LA is one of these places that you can go into strip mall and have like the best meal of your Life ever.

[Molly Sims]

So, yes, Osenebo in a strip mall.

[Brooke Devard]

Osenebo's in Studio City. And there's also the original Katsuya. That's wonderful. It's no frills, but it is some of the best sushi I think I've ever had. And it's just. Yeah, just in this very sushi again today. Unassuming.

[Molly Sims]

Where do you think you're going? What's another 10 years look like for Brooke?

[Brooke Devard]

Oh, goodness. How do you all answer this question? Because whenever people ask me what did the next five years look like, 10 years look like, I'm like, oh, gosh, I don't know. I mean, hopefully I'm still doing work that I'm really passionate about at a slower pace. I'm like at 100 miles per hour now. I would love to take it down to like a nice comfortable cruising. I'm like, what? What speed do people drive at? I still don't know how to drive, so I can't say I'm a true California girl yet until I get my driver's license. But I will get my driver's license,

[Molly Sims]

have a car service.

[Brooke Devard]

I Uber everywhere.

[Molly Sims]

Oh, my God.

[Brooke Devard]

But 2026, I'm gonna say it right here on lipstick on the rim. That is changing. I'm gonna get my driver's license this year. I've been taking lessons, but yeah. So hopefully in 10 years I'll be driving. I love it. And still doing work that I love and doing it in a way that feels really sustainable, in a way that I can kind of balance my mental and emotional wellness. I think that's the hardest thing for people that are overachievers. You just want to go, go, go. And sometimes we do. Yes. And sometimes you just need to sit back with your eye patches and I know exactly.

[Molly Sims]

Have a.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Read a book, have a glass of

[Molly Sims]

coffee, have a wine, have a cocktail, or just do nothing.

[Brooke Devard]

Yes, it's hard.

[Molly Sims]

We always ask every guest before they go, if you could give advice to your 10 year old self, what would it be?

[Brooke Devard]

Trust that your interests, the things that you are naturally gravitating towards are what you are meant to do with your life. The time that you spend pouring over magazines, the time that you spend testing makeup in the mirror, the time that you spend talking to people. I used to listen to so much talk radio, npr, as a kid. I would listen to Wendy Williams. She had a show on 107.5 in New York, York. I would always listen to the radio. I'd listen to people talk. I always Loved beauty. So it's like the. I'd always watch tv, watch videos. The fact that I've found myself in this media career, doing a podcast is no accident. The things that you're interested in when you're younger, that's. That's what you're meant to do.

[Co-host or Guest (possibly a beauty expert or friend)]

Yeah.

[Molly Sims]

You're amazing.

[Brooke Devard]

Well, thank you all so much.

[Molly Sims]

Make sure and follow Brooke Devard. She has the Naked Beauty podcast. Follow her. Her family. You guys are incredible. And, you know, I followed you for a very, very long time, and I think you know how you look at beauty, how you look at fashion, wellness.

[Brooke Devard]

It's.

[Molly Sims]

It's really incredible. You go deep, you don't go surface. And we're really lucky for that.

[Brooke Devard]

Thank you all so much, and I love the work that you all do, and I hope that we get to hang out together, hang out in Austin. Yes.

[Molly Sims]

All right, well, another week. Lipstick on the Rim. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims and my Ride or Die Emesha Gormley. We are so excited to bring you guys along on this journey with us. You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at Lipstick on the Rim and Molly B. Sims, or you go to my blog where you can dive just a little bit deeper into my favorite products, trends, and [e-mail] don't forget to check out our video episodes on my YouTube channel, Molly Sims. This podcast is production with Sony Music. I wanted to give a special thanks to my team, Rosie Cummings, Ken Orion, Sophie Kevorkian, and everyone at Sony Music. Don't forget to listen and follow wherever you get your podcast, so you never miss out on the fun.

[Corinne (Podcast Creator)]

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[Molly Sims]

What podcast, Corinne? Tell us.

[Corinne (Podcast Creator)]

Oh, it's called Blink Jake Handel's story. I created it about a man named Jake who I met, who is the only survivor of a terminal brain illness brought on by heroin use. But there is a lot of mystery and medical malpractice and true crime elements that are very shocking and surprising and even some supernatural elements.

[Emesha Gormley]

So this is definitely an amazing story

[Corinne (Podcast Creator)]

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[Emesha Gormley]

Did such an incredible job telling the

[Molly Sims]

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[Emesha Gormley]

So if you have not listened to it yet, my goodness, where have you been? Because Blink is so freaking good.

[Corinne (Podcast Creator)]

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