May 1991 Pop Culture: John Leguizamo, Balthazar Getty & The Whistle That Only Dogs Hear

Summary

Listen To Sassy: Life In The 90s

Episode: May 1991 Pop Culture: John Leguizamo, Balthazar Getty & The Whistle That Only Dogs Hear
Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: Tara Ariano, David T. Cole (Pamela Ribon is away this episode)

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Overview

This episode finds Tara and Dave (with Pam away at an animation convention) taking a nostalgic, sardonic deep-dive into the May 1991 issue of Sassy magazine. Focusing on pop culture highlights, Gen-X magazine quirks, and tales both ridiculous and revealing from the era, they offer a lively blend of commentary on music, movies, media scandals, and the strange career arcs of the 1990s' up-and-comers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Setting the Scene: May 1991 Recap

• Outrage & Headlines:
  • Protests against "Basic Instinct" before filming even started; Penguin Books drama; Evan Handler's dramatic departure from "I Hate Hamlet;" NBC's Tonight Show time change incites local bewilderment.
• Teenage Dilemmas:
  • How to spend $300: indie mags, zines, or REM's new album? “Because the way they got to be major corporations was by knowing how to entertain you consistently and thoroughly.” – Tara (01:40)

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Sassy Magazine: Stories That Refuse to Die

• Questionable Johnny Depp Anecdote:
  • Sassy tried to set up an underage bathing suit model (17) with Johnny Depp, canceled only at the last minute.
  • Tara: “Damn Johnny Depp. I hope something terrible happens to you and your career. Ha. He's fine.” (05:51)
• Underage Celebrity Culture:
  • Parallels drawn with 1960s media (“Gidget”), old photographers, and the normalization of inappropriate age gaps.
  • Tara: “If you want to get with a underage girl, just put a camera around your neck.” (05:13)

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News Roundup: The Surreal & Tabloid-Tinged

• Cheerleader Murder Plot Recounted:
  • Texas cheerleader's mother tries to hire a hitman; the inspiration for HBO’s “The Texas Cheerleader Murdering Mom.”
  • Dave jokes: “The survival rate of cheerleaders in the 90s was, like, 87%... For every 100 cheerleaders, you know, 13 aren't making it at home.” (06:34)
• Odd Sassy Factoids:
  • Peace sign confusion (“It's unfortunate that the peace sign is the same thing as the V for victory sign says Sassy not knowing their history.") (06:56)
  • Retro slang cringe (“Why am I such a total queer ball spaz head?”—a headline highlighting language no longer fit for print) (07:07)

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Pop Culture Artifacts & Quizzes

• RCA’s Spokespuppy Naming Contest:
  • Sassy readers could name "Chipper," the new RCA puppy (after "Nipper").
  • Sequence of “dog” name jokes leads to existential asides on dead mascots and companies. (09:05)
• The Ever-Present ‘Sassiest Boy In America’:
  • Exhaustion with a recurring contest winner.
  • Tara: “Please. God, won't die. Name another boy because I'm sick of this guy.” (09:45)

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Glossary & Language Evolution

• Sassy Glossary Update:
  • Definition: "The whistle that only dogs hear" – A girl guys adore for no apparent reason to other girls. Hosts critique the term’s cattiness.
  • Tara: “Let these girls live. They probably are fine. And you're being a... There, I said it.” (11:56)
• ACLU’s “Foxy Director”:
  • Sassy swoons over Ira Glasser, then-director of the ACLU. Hosts find this focus on looks both hilarious and weirdly specific.
  • Dave: “I think, the world's first cute ACLU director.” (13:05)

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Music Reviews: Sassy’s 1991 Picks

• REM – "Out of Time":

  • Jane gives it 5 dots, “not just a hit. Major hit.”
  • Tara: “This was the best period of REM.” (15:08)
  • Dave and Tara debate album chronology and the meaning of “losing my religion”.
  • Dave: “Losing my religion is like losing your... It’s just, I’ve had enough of this shit.” (14:42)

• Marshall Crenshaw – “Life Too Short”:

  • Dave riffs on Crenshaw’s name: “Marshall Crenshaw is the ultimate Hollywood character name for some sort of like, disgraced or retired or coming back from retirement for one last job. Military figure.” (16:47)
  • Neither host moved by the music itself—too “easy listening” for Sassy’s demographic.

• Gloria Estefan – "Into the Light":

  • Karen, Sassy reviewer, is unrelentingly harsh despite Estefan’s real-life tragedies.
  • Tara: “That’s really, real bad.” (19:48)
  • They reflect on the infamous tour bus crash.

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Movies: Reviews & Cultural Judgment

• "The Doors" (Oliver Stone):

  • Both hosts have avoided the movie entirely.
  • Dave: “If you like the Doors, we can’t be friends.” (22:18)
  • Tara prefers "JFK" as the Oliver Stone watchable.

• "Paris is Burning":

  • Universal endorsement—Karen redeems herself after her Estefan review.
  • Tara: “If you've never seen it, you should. It's on HBO Max. It's a very breezy watch and you'll learn a lot.” (23:28)

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Rising Stars: One to Watch

• John Leguizamo:
  • Sassy pegged him as a rising star; hosts admire his longevity (“one to watch” success story).
  • Run through his vast IMDb: From Broadway’s "Mambo Mouth," "Spawn" (as the clown Violator), "Carlito’s Way," "Moulin Rouge," to "Encanto."
  • Quick digression on Dean Cain (“moron for joining ICE”) and John’s social activism. (25:10 – 25:46)
  • Favorite roles discussed: Tara—Toulouse Lautrec in Moulin Rouge; Dave—Carlito’s Way.

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Feature: Balthazar Getty – The Not-Quite Teen Idol

• Post-Lord of the Flies, pre-TV fame, Balthazar is profiled.
• Details his famous family's scandals (“his father is Paul Getty who was kidnapped in Italy in the 70s” (28:11)).
• Discussed as part of a recurring Sassy magazine theme: the fleeting nature of “teen idoldom.”
• ID confusion: “Is this Balthazar Getty or is this Liev Schreiber?” (29:21)
• Recent projects: Twin Peaks: The Return, Megalopolis, and random TV/movies.
• Favorite Getty project? No consensus, but both agree he had a quirky, high-profile youth.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sassy’s odd candidness:
  • Dave: “Sassy magazine turned into an underage trafficking operation so slowly, nobody noticed.” (04:11)
• On 90s appropriateness:
  • Tara: “I've been watching Gidget, Dave... there are multiple episodes about her getting crushes on boys that are way too old, including one where the guy is 24... and she is canonically 15 and a half.” (05:13)
• On music reviews:
  • Tara: “Jane’s first line is, I just can’t be objective about the greatest band in the world. And she’s not. But even giving her that pass, this is a great album.” (15:08)
• On critics’ cruelty:
  • Tara (on Estefan review): “Put it in your draft... that’s really, real bad.” (19:48)
• On John Leguizamo’s staying power:
  • Dave: “He is also the shooter in ‘Regarding Henry,’ which is after this, like, a couple of months...” (25:49)
  • Tara: “If we don’t talk about Bruno.” (26:36)
• On Door fans:
  • Dave: “If you like the Doors, we can’t be friends.” (22:18)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• May 1991/setting the mood: 01:14–02:54
• Sassy's questionable celebrity setups: 03:07–05:51
• 90s tabloid & news roundup: 05:51–06:49
• Weird Sassy glossary & ACLU crush: 11:01–13:34
• REM/album reviews: 14:03–15:49
• Gloria Estefan review: 18:41–19:48
• Movie reviews: 21:31–22:56
• Paris Is Burning: 23:02–23:30
• John Leguizamo: 24:01–27:47
• Balthazar Getty: 28:11–31:17

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Tone and Style

Snarky, deeply referential, and breezily critical, Dave and Tara maintain the magazine’s proto-blogger spirit—calling out Sassy's wilder blind spots, laughing at dated norms, and celebrating little cultural moments that shaped Gen-X pop sensibility.

Hosts routinely riff on each other's jokes, build layered callbacks, and pile on self-aware meta-commentary about 90s celebrity, media, and the Sassy magazine lens itself.

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Final Thoughts

For listeners: This episode is essential for Gen-X pop culture nostalgia, cultural critique, and unfiltered magazine-era retrospection. It weaves in today’s perspective—cringing at the casual sexism, laughing at ancient slang, and reflecting on how some 90s predictions played out for stars like Leguizamo and Getty.

If you ever wondered what it was like to “live Sassy,” this episode hands you the receipts—snark, scandals, song picks, and all.

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Transcript

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[Dave]

One of these guys is taking the biggest step of his life.

[Tara]

She is incredible.

[Dave]

Who will it be? Find out who's getting married on the next LA Law NBC Thursday.

[Tara]

It is May 1991, and everyone's mad. Basic Instinct isn't even filmed yet, but queer advocacy groups are already protesting Joe Esterhaz's screenplay. 28 Penguin Books authors take out an ad accusing the publisher of offering better deals to writers in the UK than the US Future. Pamela Ribbon colleague Evan Handler quits I Hate Hamlet mid performance after getting injured during a sword fight. And this town you're living in is so weird. They don't even start the Tonight show on time. It's at 11:35. You've never heard of anything so stupid that. Oh wait, it says here that NBC's made this change at all its affiliates nationally. Never mind, you don't care too much about any of that because you've got $300 to spend. It's more money than you've ever held in your life. Should you literally share the literal wealth with a charity like People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? They'll definitely never do anything embarrassing with it. Should you spend some of it on independent artists like the ones making Icarus a new quarterly journal for teenagers? Or to the creators of the zine Bad Seed? How else are they going to keep being able to afford ink and paper and berets and black tights? Or should you just throw it at the major corporations who put out the movie the Doors and the new REM album Out of Time? Because the way they got to be major corporations was by knowing how to entertain you consistently and thoroughly? Well, you don't have to decide this very second, so take a break and see if the latest issue of your favorite magazine has any useful tips. Yes, it's time to listen to Sassy. Hello, only Dave.

[Dave]

Hi, only Tara.

[Tara]

We are without Pam.

[Dave]

Yep. Fired. Fired for giving us incorrect information on the toxicity of plastic bags last week.

[Tara]

Yes.

[Dave]

We will not stand for it. And we have eliminated from the podcast.

[Tara]

It runs a real tight ship. Yes, that is a correction. On our Teen Life episode. Pam had found a source about lead paint in disposable produce bags. It basically was like a pro plastic astroturf site. But where Pam really is is I think an animation convention or conference in Mex. Though we hope to have her back for the next episode, God willing. What now? Three years ago in Sassy, Christina writes Catherine, quote, I felt sorry for the mass murderer. End quote. Geisen wrote about Tina Mancini, a teenage stripper who committed suicide. The first of many mentions of Sassy. Pet actor Alex Winter appeared on page 65. Photos of then 17 year old Simone modeling bathing suits prompted a call from Johnny Depp's publicist, who was trying to set up a fashion shoot with a model and Johnny so he could meet her. Whoa, let's stop right there.

[Dave]

Because Sassy magazine turned into an underage trafficking operation so slowly, nobody noticed.

[Tara]

This is so. And there's so matter of fact about it.

[Dave]

It's like, release the Sassy files.

[Tara]

Yeah. Christina's angle is this was all before he met the really true love of his life, Winona Ryder. We did set up the shoot. What? But by then Johnny had lost interest or had a change of schedule, so he canceled. Maybe what a change of schedule was was looking at a calendar and realizing how old he is relative to this girl. Because it's not 17 in 1991 or.

[Dave]

Three years ago, 1990, that they put that in print. I mean, crazy that that was not an issue at the time. Really?

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Occur to anybody?

[Tara]

I've been watching Gidget Dave, as you know, the adorable, usually sitcom from 1965-66 one season, Wonder still made 32 episodes because that's how they rolled back then. There are multiple episodes about her getting crushes on boys that are way too old, including one where the. The guy is 24, he's a photographer. So this is a running theme of if you want to get with a underage girl, just put a camera around your neck. And played by Daniel J. Travanti, future Hill Street Blues star. And they're like, he's. He's a grad student who's 24 and she is canonically 15 and a half.

[Dave]

So he better be careful out there. Yeah.

[Tara]

Yes. And her whole family knows about it. And there's no conversation of, like, well, let's just call the police and he'll leave her alone. Like, it turns out to be fine because she gets a huge crush on him because she mistakes his attention. He is engaged to an age appropriate woman, so that's how he gets out of it. But still, damn gidget. Yikes.

[Dave]

Yeah. Wow.

[Tara]

And damn Johnny Depp. I hope something terrible happens to you and your career. Ha. He's fine. Next news, Roundup. Pubescent rage and terror. An aspiring cheerleader's mother allegedly tried to hire a hitman to knock off the mother of one of her daughter's competitors. That's right. This is the true story that inspired the allegedly true adventures of the Texas Cheerleader murdering mom HBO movie starring Holly Hunter.

[Dave]

Oh, okay.

[Tara]

Which was like, this was from the. That era of tabloid trash.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Tara]

Of like, almost contemporaneous, probably with, like, Lorena Bobbitt and other freak stories like that. But here's the little blurb about it. I mean, it is relevant and sassy if it's about a cheerleader maybe getting killed by someone else's mom, but yikes.

[Dave]

Yeah. This is why cheerleading doesn't really pay off. Very dangerous. The survival rate of cheerleaders in the 90s was, like, 87%, which seems high, but that's a lot of cheerleader deaths when you think about it. For every 100 cheerleaders, you know, 13 aren't making it at home.

[Tara]

Put that in your pom poms.

[Dave]

Yeah. All right, we got to turn our head 90 degrees for one of the little factoids. Actually, it's an opinionoid.

[Tara]

It is.

[Dave]

It's unfortunate that the peace sign is the same thing as the V for victory sign says. Sassy not knowing their history. It's why it's the same thing.

[Tara]

They can't know everything. They definitely don't know that other things they don't know. I don't need to get into this whole blurb by Andrea, guest commentator about getting close to Eric Avery, the object of her desires and bass player for Jane's addiction. I just more want to focus on her headline, which is, why am I such a total queer ball spaz head? None of that is going to pass publication in the year 2025.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's a lot of things we don't say anymore.

[Tara]

Sure is. Is it just me, or does Eric in this photo they've chosen look like he might be in blackface?

[Dave]

It's just a. No, it's just a high contrast, low key photo.

[Tara]

Okay.

[Dave]

So, yeah, it's just the lighting. But what I am asking you here in my 50 something year, they talk about Eric Avery. Yeah, that's the guy from the band.

[Tara]

Right?

[Dave]

And then they also refer to him as the Rick meister. So is Rick cognate with Air Rick? Is Rick a nickname for Air Rick and I just didn't know it, or are they just doing a thing?

[Tara]

I mean, I think normally Rick is a nickname for Richard.

[Dave]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Tara]

But I. You know, if you're an Eric, I'm sure you could go by Rick if you wanted.

[Dave]

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't belaboring under misinformation for the past five decades that.

[Tara]

Yeah, okay. I'm sure there's some Erics that go by Rick.

[Dave]

Rick. Okay. All right. All you erics out there, 720sassy. Go. Let us know if we can call you Rick.

[Tara]

Please do.

[Dave]

There is a little oval graphic of a tiny little dog and next to it says woof. It is about rca, the record company running a contest to name its new spokes Puppy.

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Now they already have Nipper. That's the one from the painting of the dog looking into the gramophone.

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

But now they got a little puppy. They're going to scrappy do this whole situation. And there is a contest to name the puppy. So do you know what they eventually named it?

[Tara]

I don't, but I assume you do.

[Dave]

I do. I just thought you might want to guess.

[Tara]

I feel like I may have entered this contest, but I don't even remember what my pick was. I'm sure Dog. I did not.

[Dave]

Dog.

[Tara]

Dog with two GS before Snoop Dogg. Well, if the. If the parent dog or colleague is named Nipper.

[Dave]

Yeah, you're on the right track.

[Tara]

Dipper.

[Dave]

Oh, very close.

[Tara]

Okay.

[Dave]

Because he's a chip off the old block. He is Chipper.

[Tara]

Chipper.

[Dave]

Chipper.

[Tara]

That's not bad.

[Dave]

Yeah. He's dead now, though.

[Tara]

I'm sure.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Tara]

So is rca. Probably.

[Dave]

Probably. The dog got his head stuck in the gramophone and nobody was around to take it out. It's just like a skeleton.

[Tara]

Well, go to page two of what now? SBIA update. Everyone was waiting. Just kidding. No one gives a about the sassiest boy in America. Please.

[Dave]

God won't die.

[Tara]

Name another boy because I'm sick of this guy.

[Dave]

Speaking of beings who like to get their head stuck in gramophones and die honesty, this guy, I mean, you know, he. Nobody deserves that. But if that means I can stop reading about it in Sassy magazine.

[Tara]

Then I feel like even at this point, even he is like, enough. Like, stop paying attention.

[Dave]

Let me live in peace.

[Tara]

I'm 26.

[Dave]

Collecting Social Security.

[Tara]

Yeah, well, I mean, they do bring up the age controversy plaguing ian. Is he 20 or is he 22? That comes up in the interview that.

[Dave]

They'Re talking about your story straight.

[Tara]

But I don't care. I don't care about this guy. Stop.

[Dave]

How did Sassy get my spaghetti video? It was a joke from two people out there. What's next?

[Tara]

What Bow? We haven't been doing that.

[Dave]

So wait. Anyway. Wait. And we did that one. And then peace signs head woof. And Sassy's boy alive.

[Tara]

Okay.

[Dave]

All right. We're all caught up.

[Tara]

Great.

[Dave]

That wasn't annoying.

[Tara]

Not at all. I. I think I thought you would just add them in post, but okay. This. It's been a while.

[Dave]

Going for a low edit this one.

[Tara]

It's.

[Dave]

Yeah, I figured for some reason it'll be easier to edit this week, but I can't really put my finger on why.

[Tara]

Don't say it again. She heard you last time. Pam, we love you.

[Dave]

Because fan's not here. Okay.

[Tara]

Go on, Sassy. Glossary definition number 33. Christina writes in tiny or tax. We've just noticed that we skipped over this number in January. Sorry. This.

[Dave]

I. I admire their commitment to keeping things on track.

[Tara]

Sure.

[Dave]

That's their wipow, I guess. Going back correcting it.

[Tara]

Yes. This month. The term is the whistle that only dogs hear.

[Dave]

Too many words.

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Scrap it.

[Tara]

It's not gonna.

[Dave]

It's not a glossary. No, you're just explaining prose. Yes, but sassy prose. Explanation number one is what they should have been called.

[Tara]

True. But I mean, they should have just skipped it because the definition is a girl who guys worship and adore for reasons that are not apparent to the female eye. Like, you know what? Let these girls live. They probably are fine. And you're being a. There, I said it. This is. This has led us to all of the girl on girl crime that plagued the 2000s. It started right here. So, Sassy, there's blood on your hands. Not literal blood. Probably turning our head 90 degrees again. Ira, the foxy executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union would like anyone who wants a handbook detailing student rights to write to the organization at blah address. I'm sure they're not still there. I did not actually check I'm not the doc sound, but I did look him up. Ira is Ira Glasser. He was the executive director of the ACLU from 1978 through 2001. That is a long ass time to be running the ACLU. As of 2022, he was still a free speech absolutist with some bad opinions, as all free speech absolutists do have. Not all speech should be protected. It has limits because it. Speech can also cause serious harm.

[Dave]

We're sort of stepping over the fact that Sassy is talking about a Civil Liberties Union director and they still have to like, he's a babe. So that would make him, I think, the world's first clue diff Civil Liberties Union director. I'd like to also.

[Tara]

We're just taking it on faith that he is foxy. There's no photo.

[Dave]

No. He's got a droopy eye. I guess it's like one of those cats that always got that crap you got to dig out of their eye. Yeah. Guy's hideous.

[Tara]

And that's what now.

[Dave]

Oh.

[Tara]

Listen up. It is time to look at this month's only four.

[Dave]

That's me with a boner.

[Tara]

We know those aren't the lyrics, Dave. They had the rip out card in the last issue that taught us what they all were anyway. Yes, that is losing my legend from Rems out of Time.

[Dave]

Losing my what?

[Tara]

Religion.

[Dave]

Okay, what did I say? Do you know what losing my religion actually means? This is one thing about the song that drives me crazy. It's a phrase. It's an idiom.

[Tara]

Oh, it is, yes.

[Dave]

Losing my religion is like losing your.

[Tara]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave]

Sitting near Boater in the corner. I can't stand it.

[Tara]

Yeah, I think I did know that at the time. That it's like losing your grasp on. On decency or propriety.

[Dave]

It's just. I've had enough of this shit.

[Tara]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dave]

It's just like. It's, I think, Southern.

[Tara]

Yeah, I'm sure. Well, they were.

[Dave]

Yeah, there was people always losing their temper down there.

[Tara]

Anyway, they. Jane, of course, reviews this. She gives it, of course, five dots, calls it not just a hit. Major hit. I. You know, she. Her first line is, I just can't be objective about the greatest band in the world. And she's not. But even giving her that pass, this is a great album.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's.

[Tara]

It's pretty undeniable. This was. This is the best period of REM Their next one was great, too. I'm thinking. No, Automatic for the People is after that.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Tara]

Monster is next. I think. No, I might be wrong.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think you are.

[Tara]

Okay.

[Dave]

Monster's after Automatic for the People.

[Tara]

Well, they're both great.

[Dave]

To the Internet, Tara. Let's find out, see who's right. He's got bragging rights. All right, before I lose my religion over this whole thing. So many people already know the answer.

[Tara]

Oh, you're right.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Tara]

Automatic for The People was 1992. Monster was 1994.

[Dave]

I am the world's biggest rapid eye movement fan.

[Tara]

You are New Adventures in hi Fi. Also a great.

[Dave]

Is that what it stands for? Is that actually. Did they ever. Is it like it's a one of the. No, actually, it's like raisins everywhere, Mom.

[Tara]

Yeah, that's what it is. You nailed it. Reasons everywhere, Mom.

[Dave]

That's me in the corner eating my raisins.

[Tara]

When she's right. She's right. She's right this time. So I say, Delilah, I won't be beside you tonight. Of Lila. I can't shake your memory Like a dark cloud following me Wanna drop everything and heal.

[Dave]

In an universe with infinite possibilities, there is one with monkeys that can write Shakespeare. But there is not one in which I know who that was.

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Nor is there one where, if you give me unlimited amount of time, I could come up with the name just by process of elimination, using words that is Marshall Crenshaw. The album is Life Too Short. Don't care about any of that. I just want to say Marshall Crenshaw is the ultimate Hollywood character name for some sort of like, disgraced or retired or coming back from retirement from one last job. Military figure. He is like the guy who comes up to Dutch at the start of Commando. It's like, I need you back in the game, Dutch.

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Okay. Marshall Crenshaw. That's all I got to say about that.

[Tara]

What I would add to that is that a movie about that guy could be called Life's Too Short.

[Dave]

That's true. That's the poignant sequel.

[Tara]

How do you name it? I mean, that's a terrible title.

[Dave]

Wait, wait. Scratch out in country, right? In Life's Too Short.

[Tara]

It's so first thought. Like, it's so dumb to call an album so forgettable.

[Dave]

Oops I'm Dead would have been better.

[Tara]

Like that song. I mean, I think I've heard that before, but I. And I've heard the name Marshall Crenshaw, but I would have never put those two together.

[Dave]

First time anybody's played that song in at least 25 years.

[Tara]

That. I mean, this. It does not sound like it should come from a guy named Marshall Crenshaw. I'll say.

[Dave]

That doesn't sound like something they should be reviewing in Sassy.

[Tara]

No, I mean, it's pop, I guess.

[Dave]

But it feels like easy listening pop for. Yes, 32 year olds while they're working at the office.

[Tara]

That guy should be named Eric Avery, not the guy from Jane's Addiction.

[Dave]

You're absolutely right.

[Tara]

This is the bomb of the month. According to Karen, it is into the Light from Gloria Estefan, who writes.

[Dave]

Wait, is this Gloria Estefan without the Miami Sound Machine?

[Tara]

I think so. And I think the reason is that a bunch of them died in a bus crash.

[Dave]

Oh, that's right.

[Tara]

And so this is the first album to have come out since that event. Karen writes, my main beef with Gloria is that she's got the kind of voice that at first sounds good, but the more you listen, the more you hear just how strained and pushed it is. Fine. I'm not saying that she deserves to be graded on a curve just because she survived this horrific event that killed a bunch of her colleagues and temporarily paralyzed her. Also, if an album's bad, you can say it's bad no matter what. Where Karen loses me. It's the last line. Couple of lines. And she did survive that tabloid perfect tour bus crash. Nah, she still annoys me. Wow.

[Dave]

Jesus Christ. I don't know. I have to admire how that is.

[Tara]

Sure, but put it in your draft.

[Dave]

It really just goes to 12? Yeah, 11 is in the rearview mirror for that one.

[Tara]

That's really real bad. We'll put a link in the show Notes to a report about the crash. Because it's, like, not a joke. It's quite serious.

[Dave]

Yeah.

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[Dave]

Watch it, watch it. Watch it first. Wow. Five pips. I shouldn't say this. I've never seen this movie. Five pips for the Doors.

[Tara]

Never seen it either.

[Dave]

There's just so many things about that production that have warned me away from ever watching it. Number one, the Doors.

[Tara]

About the Doors. Yeah.

[Dave]

Number two, Oliver Stone doing the Doors. Number three, Val Kimmer doing Jim Morrison in the Doors by Oliver Stone. Just a lot going on there that I don't want to be a part of. Also, I believe it is sort of like a metaphysical take on it somehow. I like that's part of it. So I don't need smoking whatever in the desert. Shit. In my life. About the Doors by Oliver Stone starring Val Kimmer.

[Tara]

I've never had any desire to see this movie.

[Dave]

It's just like the Doors are insufferable. They are really. It's just one of those truths in life. If you like the Doors, we can't be friends.

[Tara]

It's true. And I loved jfk. Jfk. The movie before this from Oliver Stone is one I have seen probably half a dozen times. Even though I know it's bullshit. Probably. It's so watchable, though.

[Dave]

It's very pop bullshit.

[Tara]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

I mean, very snackable.

[Tara]

This was when I worked at the public library and I read every book about the assassination that they had.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Tara]

Including the two that were. That the movie.

[Dave]

So you think they got them? No. You think in the end Kennedy's dead.

[Tara]

Oh, that part. Yes. I do think he's dead. They were. They were successful.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Tara]

Next. Also, five dots for Paris is Burning, which, I mean, Karen gets me back a little from that bitchy Gloria Esteban review by endorsing Paris is Burning and making sure sassy readers know Madonna did not invent voguing, because, you know, she didn't. And this is a great documentary about the subculture that made voguing a thing. The ball culture and all that stuff. If you've Never seen it. You should. It's on hbo. Max. It's a very breezy watch and you'll learn a lot.

[Dave]

Oh, is that what it's from originally? Ball.

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

We step right over the fact that one of the people involved is Willie Ninja.

[Tara]

It wasn't his given name.

[Dave]

Oh, you don't think.

[Tara]

No, no. But House of Ninja is still a going concern. I'm pretty sure they were all legendary. Your department one to watch is John Leguizamo. In fact, one to watch.

[Dave]

I would say he is.

[Tara]

I agree. We still know who he is today.

[Dave]

Y. He's the fat guy from Spawn. He's the clown.

[Tara]

Yeah. Clown.

[Dave]

Spawn. Clown. I don't know anything more about that.

[Tara]

That wasn't that long after this either.

[Dave]

No.

[Tara]

Yeah. No, he's still famous. They're making another Ice age movie now, believe it or not.

[Dave]

Is he in that?

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

See, Scrat.

[Tara]

No. He's like. No, he's one of the other guys. Scrat doesn't have a voice.

[Dave]

Yeah, but he. But they would do that kind of thing. Like George Clooney coming in to play the dog and Stu. South Park.

[Tara]

Oh, sure. Yeah. No, I don't. I think it's. I think that's probably Frank Welker or someone else who does all the animal voices, right? No, he's like a. Some kind of furry thing. If I should. I don't know what any of them is called.

[Dave]

By furry thing, you mean actually furry thing?

[Tara]

Yes.

[Dave]

Not a furry, sexual.

[Tara]

I don't know his life.

[Dave]

He did play a giant clown in Spawn. Who knows what he's into.

[Tara]

I fell off those movies at a certain point. Yeah. John Leguizamo. They talk about his first one man show, which is called Mambo Mouth was on Broadway and it was about various Hispanic characters. And reading that reminded me of Dotcom's one man show.

[Dave]

Absolutely. 100% was my first thought. This sounds insufferable. Also, this is Dotcom's backstory.

[Tara]

Totally. John Leguizamo. Not only just a still working actor and artist, he also is in the news for calling Dean Cain a quote moron for joining ICE and saying what kind of loser volunteers for that? He's right. That is some horseshit.

[Dave]

Did Dean Cain's arm heal and he was right back at it? Or is he somehow not posting that he's itching to get back to ICE with his sweatshirt sling thing? I got to get out of this. Says Dean Gain.

[Tara]

What a load of crap. He's right. Guy is a huge loser and deserves to be Called so. But John Leguizamo. Fine, as far as I'm concerned.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think this is a one to watch success story for sure.

[Tara]

And he. He is also the shooter in Regarding Henry, which is after this, like, a.

[Dave]

Couple of months, I got to look him up. And I can tell you my favorite project of his. Let's do a little. A little thing here. Let's see what he's been in. No matter how small the role, it's not going to be Ice Age, I can tell you that.

[Tara]

No, but what is his character called, since you're pulling up? Signed.

[Dave]

Let's see. Best known for playing Scrat. Oh, the clown's name was Violator.

[Tara]

Oh, I don't care for that.

[Dave]

Let's see.

[Tara]

Oh, he's in Smoke. That's also current. The Apple TV plays.

[Dave]

Sid. I don't know who Sid is in Ice Age.

[Tara]

Sid. Right.

[Dave]

Not the elephant. I know the elephant. Deborah. Elephant.

[Tara]

In his elephant wife is Queen Latifah, I think. Oh, he's Bruno from Encanto. That's. That's big.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah.

[Tara]

Bruno. If we don't talk about Bruno.

[Dave]

Sure, sure. Wow. He's in so many things. I'm scrolling so much. First credit, Madonna, borderline music video.

[Tara]

Ooh, that's pretty good.

[Dave]

Oh, he's in Die Hard 2. It's not super Mario Brothers. First movie. Oh, Carlito's Way. Pretty good. Yep.

[Tara]

Also good.

[Dave]

In Summer of Sam, he was in Executive Decision.

[Tara]

Nice.

[Dave]

A movie only known for killing off Steven Seagal, who you think is the star of the show in the first, like, three minutes of the movie. So that was fun, but terrible movie.

[Tara]

Otherwise, I'm going to say the Happening. I don't remember what he did, but the Happening is a great, terrible movie.

[Dave]

Oh, he was in Collateral Damage, the movie they decided to release after 9 11.

[Tara]

That was with Cliff Curtis from Chief of War.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Tara]

How much of this conversation is going to make it into the edit?

[Dave]

Oh, I mean, I'll cut all the dead space. It'll. It'll flow. Don't worry about it. Well, he's in ER. It's not a movie. But he was 12 episodes of ER.

[Tara]

Oh, I have my pick.

[Dave]

All right, hang on. He's in John Wick and in Chapter Two. I guess he was a helper guy. Holy, this is so long.

[Tara]

It's 160 credits.

[Dave]

Wow. All right, I'm done. Okay. What's yours?

[Tara]

Well, I would love to say it's too Wong Fu. Thanks for everything, Julie Newmar, but I. In fact, I'M gonna say playing to lose Lautrec on his knees in Moulin Rouge.

[Dave]

And you another movie I've never seen that everybody talks about. I guess I got to go Carlito's way out of all these.

[Tara]

Yeah, yeah, that sounds right for you.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Tara]

Just one pop culture feature this month. It is by Kim and it is called Baltazar. Getty contemplates the whole teen idol thing, which he barely was really. He is 16 and he looked a lot younger. This is post Lord of the Flies. Not much to say about this. You know, he is a Getty from the Getty family. His father is Paul Getty who was kidnapped in Italy in the 70s as covered in all the money in the world and trust both FX show Trust, which we watched. It was pretty good. This is pegged to my heroes of always been cowboys. It's on Pluto TV if you want to catch yourself up. I would say when Kim gets a little more experienced, she'll realize subjects ask interviewers questions to control the conversation not because they're thoughtful and nice, which is how she interprets it, which is, you know, sort of cute.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Tara]

He. We get a mention of past one to watch Chris Young. I guess they were really friends because when I tried to look for a picture of Young Balta Zargetti from this era to put on our socials, there were a lot of him with Chris Young. He did a little more with what he had. I think they misspelled Kiefer. And that's really all I have to say. Thank you.

[Dave]

The only thing I have to say is that four years and I still have to pause and think about it now. It's a little easier now because I don't think Getty is really around all that much anymore. But is this Balthazar Getty or is this Liv Leaf Schreiber?

[Tara]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Dave]

I'm like, which one is he? Which one is this?

[Tara]

Yes.

[Dave]

Are they the same person?

[Tara]

Which one is Goon and which one is brothers and sisters?

[Dave]

Exactly.

[Tara]

Who can know?

[Dave]

Yes.

[Tara]

Yeah, I can see it.

[Dave]

Yeah. What's he up to these days?

[Tara]

Great question. Let's go back to our friend IMDb.

[Dave]

Just he's working on the oil rigs.

[Tara]

Yeah, I'm sure he's real hands on. I mean he was. The last thing I think I saw him in was probably brothers and sisters.

[Dave]

You know what he is? He's doing that comedy tour and he's always wearing the hats. It says giddy or done.

[Tara]

I mean, anything I could tell you now is not going to be Better.

[Dave]

Than that low brow comedy. Only for very rich people.

[Tara]

Oh God. He was in Megalopolis. Ooh, buddy.

[Dave]

What'S your favorite Balthazar? Getty project. Let's look it up.

[Tara]

Is it the Twin Peaks? The Return?

[Dave]

I'm gonna guess it's Young Guns too. Just because the only thing I remember for that movie is. Well, first of all, I think he dies really quickly in the film and I think that his major contribution was giving Billy the Kid a roll of dimes to using his gun to shoot at somebody.

[Tara]

I don't think that's true. I think he was probably enough of a teen idol at this point that they would want to keep him around. But it's, it's been a few years since I watched it.

[Dave]

I certainly somebody dies really that movie. I just maybe not him.

[Tara]

I did not remember at all that he was in 17 episodes of Alias.

[Dave]

Judge Dread with the Sylvester Stallone one. Yeah, there's a lot of crap.

[Tara]

There's a couple of David lynch things here though. That's not. That's not bad.

[Dave]

I'm going to give this a pass, this exercise. Okay, no winners here.

[Tara]

No winners here. Will this make the edit guessing no. Next time we'll be talking about the fashion etc topics of the May 1991 issue. Wear Madras. Try 40 Style, Beauty, say Goodbye to and be and more for my plug this week I had to get up at 7 in the morning to watch three hours of aka Charlie Sheen, the most boring man there is. But he is relevant to sassy listeners, so you can read my thoughts on him. Except cracked. We'll link it in the show.

[Dave]

Notes for Pam's Plug Pam would like to plug purple pills. Sometimes they do work. You can follow Pam at Pamela Ribbon on Social, although she doesn't read them. Social. Never reply. You can follow Tara at Tara Ariano. I am Cole. FYI on Blue Sky. Also listen to Sassy for the podcast itself.

[Tara]

You can also call us. Our hotline is 720Sassy Go. Dave's already already mentioned it a couple of times. You can leave us a voicemail about the show or the magazine. We may play it on a future episode. If you don't want to use your phone for whatever reason, you can also just record yourself right in your browser. Listen to sassy.com hotline. That and so much more, including links to our visual aids. Contact infra for all of us [e-mail] thank you for listening. More next time.

[Dave]

Bye.

[Tara]

Sam.