November 1990 Pop Culture: Deee-Lite, Kim Gordon & Dinky Bossetti

Summary

Podcast Summary: Listen To Sassy: Life In The 90s – November 1990 Pop Culture: Deee-Lite, Kim Gordon & Dinky Bossetti

Release Date: September 17, 2024

In the November 1990 episode of "Listen To Sassy: Life In The 90s," hosts Tara Ariano, Pamela Ribon, and David T. Cole take listeners on a nostalgic journey through the vibrant pop culture landscape of the early '90s. This detailed and engaging episode delves into the era's music, movies, magazine highlights, and personal anecdotes, offering both informative insights and entertaining banter for fans and newcomers alike.

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1. Setting the Scene: November 1990 Pop Culture Highlights

[00:18] Tara

Tara kicks off the episode by painting a vivid picture of November 1990, highlighting key cultural moments and events. She mentions Tim Curry's role in the miniseries "It," the influx of comedy legends Farley, Meadows, Rock, Sandler, Spade, and Sweeney joining "Saturday Night Live," and the blockbuster success of "Home Alone" topping the box office. Additionally, she notes the shutdown of "Business Month" magazine due to declining ad revenues, humorously remarking, "Proven that Business month is the cruelest month" [00:18].

Other significant mentions include:

• "An Evening with Harry Connick Jr" opening on Broadway.
• Milli Vanilli being stripped of their Grammy awards for not singing their own songs.
• Chris Isaac’s "Wicked Game" bringing back the romantic trope of making out on a cold beach.

Amid these cultural touchstones, Tara shares a personal story about feeling guilty after a confrontation in her poetry club, leading her to craft an apology poem in limerick form as a heartfelt gesture.

Notable Quote: "But maybe poetry can solve it, too." — Tara [00:18]

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2. Crafting Apologies: The Power of Limericks

[02:00] - [04:00]

The hosts engage in a creative segment where they compose an apology poem using the limerick format. Pam contributes verses such as:

"There once was a Dave with some
balls who said some bad things in the school halls." [02:07]

This playful exchange not only adds humor but also showcases their camaraderie and ability to handle personal topics with lightheartedness.

Notable Quotes: "Next time." — Dave [02:23]
"Yeah, you got that right, buddy." — Tara [02:24]

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3. Media Overexposure: The 'Sassiest Boy in America'

[03:00] - [04:19]

The discussion shifts to the phenomenon of the "sassiest boy in America," a media figure who has become overexposed in popular culture. Dave expresses his frustration with the relentless coverage:

"This is the only reason I wanted to bring this up. I don't even want to talk about what's in the blurb. It's just like, get off this guy's fucking jock already." [04:23]

Pam adds to the sentiment, reflecting on how the constant spotlight led to their disinterest and eventual disengagement:

"This one actually made me break up with the sassiest boy in America." [03:20]

The hosts discuss the rapid decline in their interest, noting, "We've gotten sick of him at 20, 24 levels," highlighting the fatigue that comes from media saturation.

Notable Quote: "He is couch fucking of 1990, where it's like, I never... stop it." — Dave [04:06]

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4. B-Movies: A Critical Look at 'Book of Love'

[09:06] - [17:09]

David critiques the B-movie "Book of Love," labeling it as the "bomb of the month." He voices his disappointment with the film's poster and casting choices, mentioning actors like Danny Nucci and John Cameron Mitchell:

"Then Danny Nucci, future Titanic Italian stereotype..." [16:45]

Tara and Pam join in with sardonic remarks about the movie's quality and marketing strategies, emphasizing their disdain for the film's presentation and content.

Notable Quote: "She is unrecognizable. I don't know if they caught her, like when she was sneezing or something, but her face looks so strange." — Dave [22:57]

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5. Music and Counterculture: Exploring 'Sound Bites'

[12:00] - [15:43]

The hosts delve into the intersection of music and counterculture, discussing the album "Sound Bites from the Counterculture." Pam provides an in-depth account of Jello Biafra’s trial:

"They are the first people to be prosecuted over an album in American history." [12:00]

The conversation touches on themes of censorship and artistic freedom, with Dave recounting Jello Biafra’s experiences and the broader societal tensions surrounding music and media.

Notable Quote: "Jello Biafra passed away right before he was scheduled to speak." — Pam [12:00]

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6. Urban Slang in Sassy Magazine: The 'Gerbil' Definition

[14:23] - [15:43]

Highlighting the unique language of the time, the hosts explore the term "gerbil" as defined in the Sassy magazine glossary. Dave humorously clarifies:

"We're told this is a verb meaning to spill. I just gerbled my Diet Pepsi all over my desk." [14:23]

Tara and Pam discuss the playful nature of such slang terms, with Pam expressing her fondness for the word:

"I think it's great, though, this term gerbiling, because I can see it. It's got a sound to it." [15:12]

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7. Movie Reviews: 'Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael' and 'Flatliners'

[18:38] - [22:10]

Pam awards "Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael" four stars, critiquing Winona Ryder's portrayal of Dinky Bessetti:

"The title of this film being the most memorable thing about it." [18:38]

Conversely, "Flatliners" receives praise for its appeal to the teen audience despite featuring actors like Kiefer Sutherland and Julia Roberts. Pam reminisces about her youth, recalling the discovery of actors like Oliver Platt and the enduring presence of Kevin Bacon in media.

Notable Quote: "He's great. Kevin Bacon does a good job staying in our lives without having us watch him do anything yet." — Pam [22:10]

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8. Spotlight on Shawn Wayans: Rising Comedy Star

[30:13] - [35:44]

The hosts feature Shawn Wayans as the "one to watch" of the month. Dave details Wayans' early career, including his role as a DJ on "In Living Color" and his future projects like "The Wayans Bros.," "Scary Movie," and "White Chicks." Tara and Pam discuss his youthful appearance and potential in the comedy industry.

Notable Quote: "Can I say that much because..." — Tara [30:27]

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9. Sonic Youth Feature: Behind the Scenes with Kim Gordon

[31:14] - [35:44]

A significant segment features Christina's interview with the influential alternative band Sonic Youth. The discussion includes:

• Visits to quirky New York spots like an army surplus store and the Dew Drop Inn.
• Kim Gordon's continuous influence in music, with mentions of her latest works like "Bye Bye" and her solo album "Razzmatazz."
• Humorous moments about pronunciation debates and personal anecdotes from road trips.

Pam highlights Kim Gordon's enduring legacy:

"Her latest single, Erazzmatazz, just came out, and Washington Post recently called her probably the coolest person alive. So one to watch." [34:47]

Notable Quote: "I survived another week just like the..." — Tara [27:00]

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10. Banter and Humor: Keeping It Light

[16:19] - [29:24]

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in playful banter and humorous exchanges, creating a lively and relatable atmosphere. Examples include:

• Miscommunications and inside jokes about pronunciations.
• Light-hearted critiques of fashion trends like overalls.
• Personal stories that add depth and personality to the discussion.

Notable Quotes: "They turn into oversums." — Tara [36:03]
"Damn." — Tara [18:23]

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11. Upcoming Topics and Community Engagement

[38:15] - [39:35]

As the episode concludes, the hosts preview upcoming content, including a deep dive into Hulu's documentary series "Vogue the 90s." They encourage listeners to support the podcast through subscriptions, highlighting perks like ad-free listening, Discord access, and downloadable magazine PDFs.

Notable Quote: "You can support us for just $5 extra hotgreat.com club to..." — Tara [38:15]

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Conclusion

The November 1990 episode of "Listen To Sassy: Life In The 90s" offers a rich tapestry of pop culture analysis, personal anecdotes, and engaging discussions. By blending humor with insightful commentary, Tara, Pam, and Dave create an immersive experience that captures the essence of 1990s teen culture. Notable quotes and timestamped segments enhance the narrative, making it both informative and entertaining for listeners seeking a nostalgic dive into the past.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Dave]

Going to dance. We're going to dance.

[Pam]

We're going to dance and have some fun.

[Tara]

It is November 1990. Tim Curry is clowning around on the miniseries It. Farley, Meadows, Rock, Sandler, Spade and Sweeney all join Saturday Night Live. Home Alone is alone at home at the top of the box office. Business Month, which billed itself as the oldest business magazine in the country, shuts down due to a lack of ad spending. Proven that Business month is the cruelest month. An Evening with Harry Connick Jr opens on Broadway, Just an evening Milli Vanilli are stripped of their Grammy for not singing their own song. And Wicked Game by Chris Isaac repopularizes making out on a cold beach with sand in all your holes. But you don't care too much about all that because you are currently experiencing a new, deeply felt emotion some people call guilt over the quiet sobbing of Sharon Mazursky here in the school's bathroom. You guess you did take things too far with your poetry club loss and subsequent calling her out as a cunt in print. Oh, man, this is bad. She's in the stall and her sobs are now punctuated by they gasp for breath. Poetry led you to this point. Damn you, poetry. But maybe poetry can solve it, too. You pull out your notebook. It's time for an apology poem. Hmm. But what sort of poem, though? It has to be perfect. Who's always doing stupid shit while not themselves? Oh, that's right, the Irish. So the perfect format for an apology poem is therefore the limerick. So here we go. Time to channel the wisdom of your favorite Meg magazine. Yes, it's time to.

[Pam]

Sassy. Yeah. There once was a Dave with some.

[Tara]

Balls who said some bad things in the school halls.

[Pam]

Yeah, his mission was clear. He doesn't drink beer. And now I screen most of his calls.

[Dave]

Next time.

[Tara]

Yeah, you got that right, buddy.

[Dave]

What now?

[Tara]

What now? What now?

[Dave]

The top left corner item which you have to turn your page to read.

[Tara]

Hang on. Not only do you have to turn it to read it.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Tara]

But the photo inside of it doesn't have a complimentary orientation. So either the photo is the correct way or the text is the correct way, but they never the correct way together. Also, when is this guy going to be out of our lives?

[Dave]

This is the only reason I wanted to bring this up. I don't even want to talk about what's in the blurb. It's just like, get off this guy's fucking jock already. Like you've never covered any of the sassiest girls in America this much we don't care. He broke his foot. I don't care. I don't care.

[Pam]

This one actually made me break up with the sassiest boy in America. I'd been on board for a while where I was like, I get it. This one has reached exhaustion of just his existence, like, his whole thing. I was like, no, I think I'm out.

[Dave]

And he was named sassiest boy in America one issue ago. This is how fast we've gotten sick of him. We've gotten sick of him at 20, 24 levels. Getting sick of someone who is dominating a media cycle. Yeah.

[Pam]

He did Milkshake duck right at the beginning, too. So it's not our fault. He helped.

[Dave]

That's true. I was going to say he's. He's couch fucking of 1990, where it's like, I never. This isn't funny anymore. I don't want to hear it again. It's done. It's cashed. Stop it.

[Tara]

Yeah. He has concepts of a plan.

[Dave]

He is concepts of a plan.

[Tara]

It's only been, like, hours, but I'm so fucking sick of seeing that everywhere.

[Dave]

I know, I know. I didn't even watch the debate. And I was. I'm sick of it. I was sick of it from being on social media.

[Pam]

I don't know couch fucking. Should I know couch fucking?

[Dave]

No.

[Pam]

There's something wrong with you.

[Dave]

I'm happy for you that you missed it. Good job.

[Tara]

Okay.

[Dave]

Wow. This is one of those what now Items that's basically a tweet. Before there were tweets, which is. What is a B movie anyway? Who makes them? And why don't they just save up for an A movie? There is an answer to this. A B movie is like a B side on a single. They were made to be like the back half of a double feature at the movies. And that's why they're, like, cheapo, because they were just supposed to be kind of an afterthought. That's what a B movie is.

[Pam]

So they were for making out through, I guess. Oh, yeah. I just learned something.

[Tara]

Is it true that in the movie Bee Movie from Jerry Seinfeld that the bee wants to marry a human?

[Dave]

I believe it is. Either that happens or it's strongly implied.

[Tara]

Do they have bee human hybrid babies?

[Pam]

Yeah.

[Dave]

None of the times that it's been on in the background on mute, because the channel that I just leave our TV tuned to is Nickelodeon, and they play that movie all the time. Have I been able to glean that about the movie? I've never Watched it.

[Tara]

If you guys had to marry a bee, would you marry a worker bee? Yeah, a bumblebee. Or go for the queen bee?

[Dave]

I mean, I think, you know, I would marry the bee from Honey Nut Cheerios. He's a sellout because I. I enjoy Honey Nut Cheerios. He could get me lots for free.

[Tara]

He's the REM of the colony. Pam, what about you? What kind of bee do you like to marry? And of course, keep in mind we have relations with.

[Pam]

I have not thought about which bee is my kind of bee. The Honey Nut Cheerios bee. This is a good choice.

[Tara]

Honey Nut Cheerios bee is like a midwestern yucky bee. I don't know what Tara's talk about.

[Pam]

You can tell. He makes the sheets over her at nighttime, tucks her in.

[Dave]

Also, Dave, I'm from the Midwest and you know that about. Yeah, I know what. What bee Pam's not marrying. And that's Jollibee.

[Pam]

The Jollibee.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah.

[Tara]

Don't they have a restraining order or something?

[Pam]

I'm afraid to even talk about bees at this point.

[Tara]

We don't need that kind of heat.

[Pam]

I don't need it. I don't need it.

[Tara]

Go sear archives of Pammy.com. you could probably find something.

[Dave]

She doesn't need that kind of smoke in a can being blown at her.

[Pam]

It doesn't come at me aggressively anymore. I think it's. It's died down. But it sure did come up annually. Like someone would just be like, jollibee your mom, and nine months later you came out, would just come at me again.

[Dave]

What does it matter?

[Tara]

You don't like sweet spaghetti.

[Pam]

Yep. All right. Woo pow.

[Tara]

Woo pow.

[Dave]

Oh, wait, Dave, you didn't answer the question.

[Tara]

Yeah, I'm more of a Hornet man.

[Dave]

He's more of a. He's got a Madonna hornet complex.

[Pam]

Just a horny, horny Hornet man. Special Ed stopped by recently to eat lunch with the Sassy staffers in Mary Kay's cubicle wearing his 2 Live Crew T shirt. He ate a tuna sandwich and drank a Snapple iced tea and told him about his new fab album called Legal because He just turned 18. Then he posed for this picture with his fans. It's so kooky working at Sassy, what with celebrities coming in every day of the week. Perfect reporting.

[Tara]

Thank you, Special Ed. I've come from the future to tell you horrible news, Special Ed. It's really hard in the future to find lemon snapple for your wife. It's every time you go to a store, you look for it because you know she likes it. You know it's a terrible drink and you never can find it. Only sometimes in the small bottles, never in the big bottles anywhere. So your wife has to go like sideways and get like store brand iced tea and stuff like that. And she doesn't like. She pretends she likes it, but she doesn't like as much as Snapple. I'm just letting you know, Special Ed, if somehow this is getting to you in the past, stock up.

[Dave]

Yeah, stock. That was exactly what I thought when I read this blurb. It made me so sad. November 21st is a day of prayer and repentance in West Germany. There are no bank holidays in the UK this month.

[Tara]

What's up with West Germany? What'd they do?

[Dave]

Yeah, it's not. It's not a day of prayer and repentance in West Germany because at this point, West Germany is not a thing anymore. Reunification happened in September, so get your facts straight.

[Pam]

They may not have. I mean, how long ago would they have made this before? I can't remember how magazines were made, but I always imagine this was made somewhere around 1987, and then, okay, it comes out.

[Dave]

Even accounting for that, they started the process of reunification in February, so it was already on its way by the time they closed this issue.

[Tara]

It's on the books.

[Dave]

This is just a little item. Debutantebutante. Christina was going to interview a girl who was coming out at a debutante ball. She finally found one named Beanie Reuter who was coming out at the Westchester cotillion, and they were all set to go. They were gonna have her at the party, and then it says, until the girl called and said she decided not to make her debut after all, which. Good for her. That's awesome. That's the right decision. But I also think, like, you would have gone to this event and they would not have let you in the door. Like, there's no way this story was ever gonna happen under any circumstances. But, you know, good for Beanie, bad for the story. Still think he could have written a thing or had her write something about why she decided not to do it. This is sort of a rip, in my opinion.

[Pam]

Yep. She said it wasn't my thing. Dave, I would love background music for when I Doxx people. Don't you think it deserves.

[Tara]

Sure.

[Pam]

This one in my head does sound like at the end of a game show, though. Beanie went to Washington University in St. Louis, where she was a varsity swimmer. There, during a scavenger hunt, she met her future husband. Beanie went on to get her master's from Harvard and teaches honors biology in Wellesley, Massachusetts. They have three daughters. Way to go, Beanie.

[Tara]

I'll work on that for next episode. Pam. Thanks, Pam. Pam's docs and music, I think it's got. It's got to be like Dixieland or like fiddle music or something.

[Pam]

Or it's from cereal. Or it's from cereal. Who knows?

[Dave]

We all had very different perspectives because what I was hearing when she said that was the theme song of Alias, that Don't, don't. Because that's, you know, the sound of Pam hacking. She's in the mainframe. You need a lot of sheets on the dark web.

[Tara]

These are all good choices. Maybe we can just have them all at once. All at once.

[Dave]

Verbal subversion. They've got a little item here about an album called Sound Bites from the Counterculture, which is all spoken words, speeches and so forth. I don't want to listen to this either. But one of them is, we are told EX Senator Eugene McCarthy makes some irrefutable points about how the Internal Revenue Service violates the Bill of Rights. Wrong. They are collecting money from billionaires who owe our sovereignty.

[Tara]

Sovereign nation, sovereign nation, sovereign nation.

[Dave]

Give the IRS more money to go after tax cheats is what I say.

[Tara]

You're lucky I even stopped for you, officer. I am part of a sovereign nation of one. Goodbye.

[Pam]

If you do want to listen to the whole thing, I found it on YouTube for you. There was a. A comment in there from someone who said this was recording parts of a spoken word series recorded at Bogart's, a small club in Long Beach. This person co produced the record. Hard to edit these people. Abbie Hoffman passed away right before he was scheduled to speak. That part is recorded somewhere else. Jello, by offer, didn't like his part, so he gave us a different lecture that he had recorded. Partly inspired because of the PMRC's insistence on putting warning labels on records and not allowing import records to be sold in the usa. It was put out on a side label of Atlantic, a B side label of Atlantic Records. They only put out two records on this label, this record, and 2 Live Crew. Kind of interesting, they said. And then he said, interesting meeting these people, especially Hunter G. Gordon Liddy was also there. And one of the scariest people I've ever met, Jello Biafra, talks about his apartment being raided by nine police officers. They were searching for Dead Kennedy's records and a poster that's inside those that those Dead Kennedy records Which got me into a bit of a deep dive on that case. And I found an interview. His dad standing next to him outside the courthouse. He said, they are the first people to be prosecuted over an album in American history. And at the trial, the jury ended up deadlocked. 5, 7 in favor of acquittal. The judge declared a mistrial, and some of the younger jurors asked Jello to sign the poster, which I think is, like, a very cool way to end your trial. From your jury.

[Dave]

Little known fact. His father's name was Ambrosia Salad by afraid.

[Pam]

There you go. There you go. There you go. No, hey, some people lick toads. I mean, if there was a thing that really permeated, like, underground dumbass culture is like, I hear she licks toads. Or, no, I have a friend who, like, found a toad. Nobody, you know ever trapped and licked a toad to get high and trip.

[Dave]

Out, but I was astonished when I went to look up some kind of textual basis for, like, how this ever came about. There were still stories as of 2022 that were like, the National Park Service is begging you to stop catching toads and licking them.

[Tara]

Please, please, they're not your toads to lick.

[Dave]

They're not.

[Tara]

They're America's toads. Toad to moist toad. That can be your background music. We dox people.

[Pam]

Patriotic toad.

[Tara]

Patriotic dachshund.

[Pam]

I guess so.

[Tara]

Yeah.

[Dave]

Sassy glossary. Definition number 31 is gerbil. We're told this is a verb meaning to spill. I just gerbled my Diet Pepsi all over my desk. That's not what gerbil means, and that's not what it meant. Then we all. Well, no, it's an urban legend, but still, it was one that was very popular. However, not going to dox anyone but this person couldn't find it comes courtesy of Amaris Machado of Diamond Bar, California. They went on to graduate from that high school and then go to art school in Pasadena. So good for Amaris.

[Tara]

Sounds like something she said to her parents. And her parents panicked in the moment and came up with an alternate meaning for the word durable.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Pam]

I think it's great, though, this term gerbiling, because I can see it. It's got a sound to it. It's, you know, like you're drinking.

[Tara]

It's like dribble.

[Pam]

You're drinking, and it just comes out of your giant teeth. Yes, I like gerbiling as a verb. And I did not read this and think about Richard Gere at all, because it felt real.

[Tara]

Too good.

[Dave]

Yeah, I didn't mention Richard Gere. Get your mind out of the gut thing.

[Pam]

Yeah, Pam, you said we all know what we were thinking. And I was.

[Tara]

Wheels keep turning. Interesting hamster wheels, in case you didn't understand that joke.

[Pam]

It didn't. And thank you, Kablam.

[Tara]

That's the hammer hitting that one.

[Dave]

Lame movie contest. Spoiler for Watch it. We're about to hear a movie called Book of Love named the bomb of the month. But I only wanted to mention this because they're giving away signed scripts and T shirts and stuff from this movie that they hated, so they're really snotty about it. Or when I say they, I mean Christina. But we get a photo a still from the film, which includes left to right, Chris Young, the star, who we can barely tell who he is from the back. Then Danny Nucci, future Titanic, Italian stereotype. Then on the far right, our friend Kevin Coogan, AKA Keith Coogan. But then in between Nucci and Coogan, someone who is identified as James Cameron Mitchell. No, that's not his name. That's John Cameron Mitchell, future creator of Hedwig and the Angry.

[Pam]

So he has always had this same face, like he looks in his flirty, flirty four thousand fifties. Most of these youth. Yeah, that's wild.

[Dave]

Dave, you know this guy because he's the like, right wing gay provocateur from the Good Fight. He's like. And the good. The Good Wife. He's the Milo Yiannopoulos guy is always that guy.

[Tara]

Do we know what's shrill? Who wrote this?

[Dave]

Christina?

[Tara]

No, the movie.

[Dave]

Who wrote the Book of Love?

[Pam]

Oh, God. What do I wonder?

[Tara]

Bam. Oh, you're devastated.

[Dave]

I knew what you were doing.

[Tara]

No, you didn't.

[Dave]

Yes, I did.

[Tara]

No, you didn't.

[Dave]

I decided to give it to you. I said it right.

[Pam]

It's love.

[Tara]

This cut off the rails so quickly and thoroughly. I've been loving this episod.

[Pam]

This zine of the month here in the corner.

[Tara]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Zine o the month.

[Pam]

Zen o the month. Over here in the corner, teenage gang debs. Speaking of debutantes and teenagers and gangs, siblings Aaron and Don Smith of Bethesda, Maryland. I think I lived there. Who put out. Teenage gang debs have an unhealthy obsession with the Brady Bunch. And the show permeates this issue, which is issue four of the five that they did. Their fifth issue had a piece about sassy that ended up in How Sassy Changed My Life. In that book in 2007, Aaron from. From Aaron and dawn played in Bratmobile. And this issue, if you would like it, is currently on sale at eBay for $60.

[Tara]

Holy cow. Damn.

[Dave]

That's crazy.

[Tara]

Watch it.

[Pam]

Skipping Tune in tomorrow. Which I was like, I do think I saw that because of Keanu, but I don't remember any of it. Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael gets four stars. The title of this film being the most memorable thing about it. Winona Ryder is in it, and she plays Dinky, and I don't care.

[Tara]

I had Dinky Bessetti last week.

[Pam]

Are you okay?

[Tara]

At first I was. I thought it was pretty good, but then I spent a week on the toilet.

[Pam]

I just think. I didn't even look up who wrote welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael. But I don't care how Winona writer you are, you can't pull off Dinky like Dinky. Pacetti definitely gets rumors made about her. She gets called cunt at her high school for sure.

[Dave]

It's not even the Dinky part. It's the Bassetti part. I'm not going to explain it because Dave doesn't need to know some things.

[Tara]

Oh, that's cool.

[Dave]

I mean, I'll tell you if you want to know.

[Tara]

I probably don't.

[Dave]

You probably don't, but I'll tell you.

[Tara]

Oh, Pam does. All right. I'll take my headphones out if you tell Pam.

[Dave]

Okay. Pam, A bussy is what they call when you get fucked in the butt. It's like your butt.

[Pam]

Who's they sound exactly.

[Dave]

You know who? I sounded exactly like my mother when just said, who's they?

[Pam]

Oh, no, but who's they? Who is this British? This is what I mean.

[Tara]

Who.

[Dave]

Who is the they, Pam? It's homosexuals. Say it. Oh.

[Pam]

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. All right. Dave's back.

[Tara]

I'm back. I. I listened in. I had one head. I only took out the one headphone. You can see the other. So I have forbidden knowledge now.

[Pam]

Yeah, I guess you can get it right in the Dinky Bassetti is what you're saying.

[Dave]

That's right, yeah.

[Pam]

Did you see this film, Tara? Do you have any memories of it?

[Dave]

I know I rented it. I don't have any memories of it at all. That poster is memorable. More so than the movie, I think. Like, I can summon it immediately in my mind of her in, like, a pink sort of puffy party dress and combat boots, because she's that kind of a girl. But if you follow us on socials, you're gonna see a photo of her with her messy bob looking so cute. Like, it looks like It's a Sal Hershberger job and it's 1990. Like, it's just still a perfect Bob. Not the one in this picture. It's like a messy version. That's another still from the movie. And that's all I remember about it. I didn't even remember who played Roxy Carmichael. And I had to look it up and was like, that still means nothing to me. It's someone Fabian, some lady. But Carla Gugino plays young Roxy.

[Pam]

Four stars for Flatliners. When you were Dave doing the this day in History, at the top of the episode, I was like, man, this time in history is very like touchable. Like you're describing a time and I'm like, I feel like I can know what the weather was. Like I can smell this time. And like flatliners is baked into this. Going to the movies and seeing this movie, discovering Oliver Platt, like this sort of like sexy adult thriller that was really marketed, I think for teens. I don't remember it being like, my parents are gonna love flatliners. It felt very like teen oriented even though you had adults in it like Kiefer Sutherland and Julia Roberts. I remember enjoying this film a lot as a youth. But mostly I remember like, who is this Oliver Platt? He's great. Kevin Bacon does a good job staying in our lives without having us watch him do anything yet. He's never far.

[Dave]

Finally, Book of Love. We already talked about it. It's the bomb of the month. I had to look this up as well and find out that the third billed girl, the dream unattainable pretty girl is how she's described in review is Josie Bassett from Melrose Place who played Jane with the blonde pixie. Cut. You can go and look at this poster all you want. She is unrecognizable. I don't know if they caught her, like when she was sneezing or something, but her face looks so strange.

[Tara]

Her family came over on the boat to America and they got to Ellis island and they dropped the eyes. So that's why she's not the. Is it Noah? Good as a way you get a fucked sometimes.

[Dave]

Yep. And Danny Nucci borrowed that impression for Titanic.

[Tara]

It's gonna hurt. I can see your bum from way over here. It's very tiny. I combined a lot of things we've been talking about today and I hope you enjoyed it.

[Dave]

Can we put an extra warning on this episode?

[Tara]

Hey, trigger warning.

[Dave]

Do not listen to this one in the car with your children doing a.

[Tara]

Racist Italian accent again. And he's Talking about the ball.

[Dave]

Not racist. You can do. Can you be racist?

[Tara]

No, no, no. I know, I know.

[Pam]

Someone's getting married. Someone's married.

[Dave]

Hit of the month Undeniably delights world. Click. That song is still good. I don't care what anyone says. I know it is a cliche. Pam is right. It is as much a wedding reception staple as fucking celebration. But it rules.

[Pam]

Still nothing. Yeah, this album is great. The first song that like brings you into world Clique is still such a banger. I love it so much. It's like the intro song of all intro songs. You're just like, I'm doing it. I'm wearing this song today all day long.

[Tara]

I think that people should be allowed to carry slide whistles with them and use them when appropriate emotionally, like an emotional slide whistle.

[Dave]

Nothing is stopping you doing that.

[Tara]

Interesting.

[Pam]

I think you might change your mind when the people all have slide whistles. What have I done? You will scream toward the heavens and someone will walk up to you and go. As the answer. Yeah.

[Dave]

It'S grand.

[Pam]

It's grand.

[Dave]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

[Tara]

Whoa Wonderland La la la la la.

[Pam]

La la la We.

[Dave]

This is from a compilation called Red Hot and Blue. It's various artists doing covers of Cole Porter to raise money for AIDS research. This was the first one of these. There was a bunch of them. They did a Carpenter's one too. Others, I really was spoiled for choice. I had this album. I wore it out. I had it on cassette. I got it that Christmas in my stocking. But since they mentioned Debbie Harry and Iggy Pop's cover of well, did you ever. That's why I clipped it. And I'd forgotten how funny the video is. It's. Look it up. It's very good. I'll put the link in the show notes, but there's a part in the middle where I'm pretty sure that Iggy Pop is just improvising. Like, he went to. He went to la. He went to. He was invited to pee at Zadora's house. And. And then Debbie's like, how was it? And he's like, didn't go. And she's like, oh. Like, kind of laughs. Like all of it just seems so off the cuff. Like I realize they are both performers and they could be faking it, but something about her reaction to this non story is. Just seems so real to me. Anyway, it's very funny and silly. There's a verse about drinking champagne and in the video she like goes. And they get a case of dog Food. And she tells him to drink up. Anyway, it's great. Love this album. Good stuff.

[Tara]

The snippet you played for us at the start there really sounded like maybe they were just trying to do their bits on the phone without hearing each other. And they'll fix it in post. Very possible they didn't quite fix it in post. It wasn't.

[Dave]

But that's part of the charm. Okay. Some of them. Most of these are very polished in the, like, you know, Lady Gaga doing duets with Tony Bennett kind of a way. And some of them are more weird and conceptual. And this is one of them. So it has a soft. I have a soft spot for it.

[Tara]

I survived another week just like the.

[Pam]

One before when everything you wanted somehow and I look beneath the carpet behind.

[Tara]

Each and every door Trying to find.

[Pam]

You something like you never had before.

[Dave]

This is Soul Asylum and the horse they rode in on. They've already been around for a while by the time this comes out. Mike in his review says they debuted seven years ago. Like he also says, besides providing 1990s coolest album title. If you don't get it, don't ask. We fucking get it is A. And B, don't tell Sassy readers not to ask. How else are they supposed to find things out? That's anti Sassy to tell readers not to ask.

[Tara]

Go to hell, Mike.

[Dave]

Go to hell, Mike. Is how I feel a lot actually about this writing. But anyway, that song, the bit of it that you heard. This is of course a pre Winona Rider. Dave Perner, the lead singer of this. That part of the song is fine, but Dave plays the other snippet that I also clipped. This is the beginning of that track. No, off.

[Tara]

That's all hill. That's all rockabilly music.

[Dave]

I hate it. No, that's not all rockabilly music. That's what it sounds like to me.

[Tara]

That's what all rockabilly sounds like to me. That's rockabilly going slowly insane with your friend Sl Elvis impersonator in the desert, hearing that music. You want one more peanut butter sandwich? No, you don't put banana peanut butter sandwiches.

[Dave]

That just sounds like you're badly tuning your guitar. I hate. I hate it. I. I didn't want to listen to the rest of the track after that. And then it got normal. But like, just be normal.

[Tara]

Let me show you some of my new karate moves. I got a lot of the fresh and reliefful Dave.

[Pam]

This is my favorite voice of yours.

[Dave]

I just.

[Pam]

You can use this track and these you can hypnotize. Me. You can probably get me to do a lot of things with this one. It's very compelling.

[Tara]

That's insane.

[Dave]

I don't like it.

[Tara]

No, nobody does.

[Pam]

It is Iggy Pop. Like if you put your voice and that sound together, it is an Iggy Pop impression of subcutaneous.

[Dave]

This month our one to watch is tiny baby 19 year old Shawn Wayans. At this point he is a DJ on In Living Color. Not yet doing any kind of comedy. They also mention his younger brother Marlon and spell his name wrong. It's not L I n like the fish, it's L O N like a person's name. But this is the one of the Wayans brothers who went on to co create and star in the Wayans Bros. An early WB sitcom. He was also in the first two scary Movie movies and wrote them and also wrote or co wrote White Chicks, Little man and dance flicks. So he's doing great and is still touring as a stand up of the Wayanses. I still think he's like a mid tier Wayans but Dave is the he want to watch.

[Tara]

Okay. Honestly get the the generations of the Wayans mixed up. And it doesn't help that he looks really young here and he's not young anymore.

[Dave]

So he is.

[Tara]

I'm gonna say that the Wayans as a whole were one to watch. Can I say that much because.

[Dave]

Yeah, of course. Absolutely.

[Tara]

I can't really speak to his, to his output except for this photo which this pose is something this guidance counselor. He doesn't have a chair to sit in backwards. So he's gonna get right down to your level. One knee up, one knee sort of pointed to the ground. Just sort of squatting there, right there in front of you. And let's rap. Let's talk about what your goals are.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure I had this shirt in blue.

[Tara]

Pam, I'm happy to say nothing to do with the weigh ins, but I got your dachshund music for the next time you need to dock somebody. I figured it out.

[Pam]

Okay. Should I wait? Let's see.

[Tara]

No, yeah, yeah, we'll do it naturally.

[Pam]

Our only feature this time, Sonic Youth on a Hundred Dollars a Day. Christina hung out with Sonic Youth. She was of course very nervous to do so because nobody's cool enough to just walk around with these people with a hundred bucks and be their sugar daddy for the day. I don't quite understand this, but they went wandering around cool places in New York I've never heard of because I'm not cool. And they bought cool things. And because she was, like, freaking out about not knowing how to talk about music or anything, she asked a friend, what should she ask them? And they were like, why don't you ask, like, what their favorite colors are and shit? And she was, like, very insulted, which I understand. We were like, I'm a journalist. This is a real magazine. And then she got next to Kim Gordon and was like, so, what are, like, your favorite colors? And Kim Gordon was like, omg, no one asks me that. I don't even know. So there's this neat thing next to all their little photos of, like, fun facts about each member of Sonic Youth. And in the article, they just kind of talks about what they bought and then punches herself for asking them stupid questions.

[Dave]

I did a little bit of research about the places that they went. One of the places they hit up is an army surplus store. And I realized it's been a really long time since I was in one. And they do rule. You can find some very cool stuff. I definitely had a bag and a jacket from an R and B surplus store at this time in my life. They go to the Dew Drop in. It is permanently closed. Could not determine when. They talk about some crayons like raw umber being retired recently before this hangout happened. And apparently that was the first time Crayola had ever retired any of their shades. That's an interesting historical footnote. They go to the Patricia Field store. This is pre, of course, Sex and the City and her being a huge styling superstar. But they also. She also mentions the embarrassing Aster Riviera Cafe and Restaurant, which is now a Starbucks. It was. It's the giant one that Dave has, I'm sure, been to 5 billion times the one on Aster Place.

[Tara]

Why would they ever be down there?

[Dave]

I don't know.

[Tara]

I know which one you're talking about, I think. But from.

[Dave]

From when Sarah and I were shopping in soho and you went somewhere to sit down, be away from us.

[Tara]

Sounds right.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Tara]

Especially to be away from you guys. Part. That's the best part.

[Dave]

That's right. Oh, boy.

[Tara]

Boy.

[Pam]

Jeez.

[Tara]

Did I mention that I bailed on Lollapalooza before a Sonic Youth game on? They were the headliner. The one time I went, I'm like, I don't have the patience for this. I don't want to.

[Pam]

This is not your kind of noise. No, this is not your kind of noise.

[Tara]

I was like, I can get out of the parking lot. I was one of those guys. And I did and let me tell you, it was like 12 hours getting of that parking lot because it was like in the middle of some farmer's field in Barry, Ontario, or something like that. And I think I made the right call. I might still be there today if I didn't leave. Before Sonic Youth hit the stage, Kim.

[Pam]

Gordon is killing it in her 70s. Her new album, her second solo album, the Collective, opens with a badass song called Bye Bye. Her kid with Thurston is the star of the video for that. For that movie. For that video. The star of that video. Her name is Coco Gordon Moore. Kim's newest single, Erazzmatazz, just came out, and Washington Post recently called her probably the coolest person alive. So one to watch. Kim Gordon.

[Tara]

Kim. This came up during a road trip that me and Tara took recently. What's the better word? Razzmatazz or extravaganza?

[Pam]

This genuinely came up.

[Tara]

Yep. And Tara answered incorrectly.

[Pam]

I think it's extravaganza.

[Tara]

Oh, boy. That's over two for you guys on.

[Pam]

Which is Razzmatazz had an A in it. I just thought it was razzmatazz. This is how I learned. You say erazzamatazz, which sounds like when.

[Dave]

People say, no, it's razzmatazz.

[Pam]

I'm saying it wrong.

[Dave]

It's not Razzmaz.

[Pam]

Her single is spelled erasmatazz.

[Tara]

Wait, do we have to suck at Sonic Youth?

[Pam]

I don't think. Yeah, she doesn't. The band is not. This just her. I'm trying to just not talk about Thurston.

[Tara]

All right, well, anyways, razzmatazz is the better word. It's way more fun to say extravaganza is good. It's a hard choice because they're both great words, but rasmataz is superior.

[Pam]

Okay.

[Tara]

Okay, great.

[Dave]

Kim goes looking at the overalls and says, I don't really like overalls as I write this article, but I'll probably have a pair by the time it comes out. Just couldn't be me. First of all, because if you have large boobs, overalls are not for you. They make you look like a.

[Tara]

They turn into oversums.

[Dave]

That's right. That is true. This is. This is a very small boob privilege garment, in my opinion. But also on top of that, why this couldn't be me is that when I hate a trend, I hate it forever, and I will never get on board ever.

[Pam]

Ever.

[Tara]

What if overalls came with a little Velcro extension you can stick on the top?

[Dave]

Still no.

[Pam]

Okay, don't look. I agree. Like I don't think this is. I don't look good in overalls and I have five pair now because.

[Tara]

Because the harvest is due because you.

[Dave]

Don'T believe in yourself.

[Pam]

But I found a pair that have they come up so that it's not doing that thing like that's the whole point. And it zippers right there between your cleavage so you can open it so that it's like these, these, these, these boobies don't run right. Just be like here it is. And then it nips on the corner. There's these little snaps. So they're like hourglass shape overalls and they. I still look pretty bad. Like I had to. I have to admit they're comfy though.

[Tara]

If there was a fashion trend, you know, like fisherman waders, which look terrible on anybody who wears them, but you were told that this is the thing, would you try to buy them and wear them?

[Dave]

Pam, can I tell you the truth? I would sooner wear those than overalls because you can eat more easily, take them on and off to go to the bathroom. And that's how I feel about jumpsuits also. I'm sure I've ranted about jumpsuits too. But like jumpsuits, boots over jeans. Like they're just when you tie a bandana like Rhoda where it's just like straight over your head like, like all of those things. I just, if I'm against something from, from, from jump. Like I never get on board with it. So that's why the idea of like I probably, I'll probably come around on overalls by the time. Could never be me. Will never be me. Acid watch, Genes. Same thing.

[Tara]

What if we had modern overalls with Bluetooth and then you press a button and then it opens something up and.

[Dave]

You can pee like a trapdoor in a union suit. Still no. Great.

[Tara]

Good to know.

[Dave]

Next time we'll be talking about the fashion itself of the November 1990 issue. Wear some coats, Go to beauty school with Mary. Teen spirit is still just a deodorant and not a generation defining grunge track. And more for my plug this week. Extra extra Hot. Great. Episode 316 dropping September 13th is going to be about Hulu's documentary series in Vogue the 90s. And since there's probably some crossover over between people who like this podcast and people who would enjoy listening to us talk about that, you can support us for just $5 extra hotgreat.com club to.

[Tara]

Get that, you can follow Tara at Tara A'riano on social stuff. Pam is Pamela Ribbon. You can follow this show right here at Listen to Sassy. You can also support the show. It is $5 a month gets you a whole bunch of great perks like ad free listening, access to the Discord and of course the full magazine every month as we start talking about it as a PDF that you can download and enjoy forever.

[Pam]

Thanks so much for listening to our podcast. We love you and was that too soon? Was that your stomach? And we'll see you next time.

[Tara]

Let show you some of my new karate moves. Got a lot of the fresh and reliefful.

[Pam]

My favorite voice of yours.