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Pastor Josh
You need to understand what is happening right now is the church is not getting more political. Politics have gotten spiritual in the last 20 years. We didn't move, politics did. All right, welcome to another test drive episode of a react video. So here's how this is going to work. I'm going to be reacting to Texas State Representative James Tallarico. I'm going to do my very best to get to the end of this video without slamming this microphone into my head. It's going to be great. A couple of things I'll say here. Number one, this, these little reactions, bonus episodes is a test drive. So shoot straight. If you like them, drop a comment on YouTube a like or whatever. And honestly, that helps us know. Like, oh, they actually like these things and that'll help us out. Also, anybody that comments, we're gonna give away 10 of these live Free hats. We're gonna keep Live Free Nation rolling. James Talarico, here we come. Now, just a heads up before I click play, you are probably gonna notice at a couple times in this video, I'm a little more rough with my language than I typically would be. And some well meaning Christians hear that and they're like, man, Pastor Josh, I thought the New Testament commanded us to be gentle and respectful in our responses. And let me say two things. Number one, you're right, it does. And that should be our default mode. However, what you're gonna notice, and I'm explaining why I'm gonna approach this like I'm gonna do it, what you're gonna notice is that the New Testament, it differentiates between two types of people who have the same types of beliefs. There are people who I like to call sometimes refugees from the world, where honestly they have some like, terrible beliefs, but they're kind of like, man, I'm sick of the world and I'm stumbling in a church. I'm trying to figure it out. Can y' all help me? Those are refugees from the world. On the other hand, there's a second category of people that I would call apostles of the world. They are people who are walking into churches and walking into the lives of Christians with the demonic specific intent to deceive Christians and advance evil and destroy their faith. James Tallarico, I think is probably in the second category of people, if you didn't know this. He claims to be a pastor. There are tons of videos of him on YouTube preaching to a congregation with kind of a reverend vibe. So I'll be a little more direct than I, than you have seen me be in other Videos. Because again, as Christians, we differentiate between refugees from the world and apostles of the world that Jesus called things like, you brood of vipers. And the Apostle Paul said about guys like this, watch out for the dogs, the mutilators of the flesh, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, so there we go. That said, let's hear what the Reverend has to say. Here we go.
James Talarico
For the past 50 years in this country, the religious right, a political movement, convinced a lot of Christians in America that the two most important issues were abortion and homosexuality. All right. Two issues that aren't.
Pastor Josh
Sorry about that. Okay, let me begin by saying something. There are two types of Christians when it comes to how they relate to politics. And this is really important that you get this, because he talks about the religious right, a quote, unquote political movement that has convinced people to prioritize certain things. Two types of Christians. There's Christian conservatives and there's conservative Christians. You need to figure out which word stands in authority over the other word. Christian conservatives are people who's like, man, I'm on Team Jesus, and that's the most important thing in my life. And honestly, the only reason that I sort of like, think of myself as a political conservative is because right now, in the modern political taxonomy, the ethics of the kingdom map better onto modern conservatism than they definitely do modern progressivism. But for those people, their Christianity stands in authority over their conservatism. There's another group of people who are. They're not Christian conservatives. They're conservative Christians. And very frankly, there are some people who. They're more committed to modern political conservatism than they are their Christianity. And so wherever their Christianity calls them away from whatever kind of the vibe of the modern political conservative movement, they actually side with conservatism over their Christianity. Wrong. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. So you do need to have that differentiation in your head. Now, what he says, what you heard James Tallarico say right here, is a nice little sleight of hand is man, there's this modern religious right, political conservatism that they convinced people to make issues like abortion and homosexuality the most important things. Now, a couple things I need to say, and then we'll move on. What you will constantly hear from progressives right now about Christians is, man, the church is getting more political. You need to understand what is happening right now is the church is not getting more political. Politics have gotten spiritual in the last 20 years when the government moved past things like building roads, issuing driver's licenses and teaching math to things like redefining marriage, erasing gender, reframing infant murder as a human positive of reproductive rights, and then using the government school system system into indoctrinating all of your kids into believing all those things. We didn't move, politics did. So it's simply a sleight of hand for him to say, oh, this is supposed to be a religious movement and it got political. No, politics got religious is what happened. Now the other thing he does here, and again I'm going to talk about this so that you get it, is he says, quote, the religious right, quote, convinced the American people that abortion and homosexuality were the biggest issues. First of all, number one, is overt national rebellion against God a big deal? Yep. So, hey bro, we didn't convince the religious right didn't convince Christians that slaughtering 60 million infants and high handed sexual degradation at a national level, the political right didn't convince us those things were a big deal. The Bible did. So that's number one. Number two, when he says the religious right convinced American Christians that these things were a big deal, what I want to say is, whoopsie daisy, who is the one that made these two issues a big deal in the last 50 years? Well, he's. I'm just gonna. This might feel partisan. I'm just gonna speak to you in a straightforward way. James Tallarico is a Democrat. What I would say is who made those two issues a big deal in the last. My brother, you did. You did. Who is it that made the basis of their entire political movement reframing infant slaughter as a human right? Your party did. And who is the one that redefined marriage and then prosecuted any government employees who wouldn't consent to your perverse redefinition of marriage and then projected rainbow flags on the White House and got anyone fired who wouldn't affirm your redefinition of marriage? My brother, your party did. So we didn't make these a big deal. You made these a big deal. We were just doing our thing that every human society has done for the last 5,000 years on this, and you changed it. So this is something that toddlers will do very often is they'll kind of have this vibe of, hey, we're allowed to do evil things, but you're not allowed to say anything about it. And if you say anything about it, why are you throwing a big fit? Okay, that's what toddlers do. Now let me go back and let's pick up.
James Talarico
And homosexuality, two issues that aren't really Discussed in scripture.
Pastor Josh
I beg your finest pardon. That's a very interesting thing to say. Let's see what he's going to do here.
James Talarico
Abortion is never mentioned. Consensual same sex relationships are never mentioned.
Pastor Josh
All right, so we got. I'm very interested to see how he contorts himself into a pretzel to do this. But let me just get ahead of this. He says abortion is ever mentioned, my friend. Murder is mentioned. Murder is mentioned. There's this verse that says, you shall not murder. So what's really interesting, and again you're going to see some retort like old school high school debate team. Whoever controls the terms wins the debate. What you're going to see from people like this constantly is they'll redefine the terms. They'll force you to argue on their terms. And heads up, if you argue on their terms, you will always lose. So what he's doing is he's redefining life and he's redefining murder. And then he's going, well, if you accept my redefinition of life and of murder, then the Bible never mentions these things. That's insane. So let me just ratchet these things really quick. First of all, Psalm 139 specifically illuminates that life does begin in the womb. Says, you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Your eyes saw my unformed body. There you go, it's right there. The first person to worship Jesus in the entire Bible was an unborn baby, John the Baptist. Interestingly, I'm doing this real quick because a lot of Christians have this little sleight of hand plate on them. Abortion is never mentioned and well meaning but naive Christians don't know what to say. So let me just help you blow this thing to smithereens. Interestingly, Exodus 21 by the way, does the same thing that modern American law does and it treats unborn children as lives. So if you get drunk and you run into a car in America that a pregnant woman was driving and you kill the baby that was in her womb, you are going to be charged with this thing called manslaughter. Okay, now what's interesting. So there's a logical fallacy in current American law. What's interesting is that reflects Exodus 21. I'm going to read you Exodus 21. It says when men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so their children come out, but there is no harm. The one who hit her shall surely be fined. Okay, now you go on to that passage and it says, and he shall pay as judges determine. But watch this verse 23. If there is harm and then the Bible says, then you shall pay life for life. So it's. Honestly, I could keep going on. The Bible extremely clearly defines life as beginning in the womb and all of these things. So I could. Listen, I'm not, I got all this stuff here. I'm not going to go on this all over it. Like going back to the Didache, which was an ancient text written by Christians around AD 70. It says you shall not procure an abortion in AD 74. The Christian letter, it's called the Letter of Barnabas, says thou shall not slay the child by procuring an abortion. The early church Father Tertullian writes in AD197, murder being once for all forbidden, we may not destroy even the fetus in the womb. John Chrysostom says in A.D. 392, Early Church Father murder before the birth. Listen bro, I could just go on and on. You have to like jettison 2000 years of near unanimous Christian theology to say that a abortion is not murder. And then you have to just lie to everybody's faces to say the Bible never mentions abortion. There's actually like an evil hysteria about it. The other thing he says, let me do this so much quicker so we can get back to watching the right Reverend here. He says the consensual same sex relationships are never mentioned in the Bible. This is if you're unfamiliar with this debate, this is a sleight of hand loophole that progressive Christians try to do. What they do is you'll see guys like Matthew Vines, who is an enemy of the faith, an apostate enemy of the faith. What they do in order that advocates for gay Christianity. What they do to try to get around. Because you can't get around the fact that the Bible clearly mentions homosexuality and same sex sexual interaction as sinful. What these people do to try to sort of like Jedi mind trick ya is they try to reinterpret any passage dealing with same sex sexuality in the Bible as O wasn't actually talking about consensual same sex relationships. That was actually talking about things like pederasty or man boy love that was common in ancient Rome. Couple problems with that. The Bible, okay, you got Leviticus 18:22. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. It's right there, bro. It's like, bro, it's literally just right there. Leviticus 20:13. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. There's no qualifiers around those. And then Romans. So you're like, yeah, but what about the New Testament? Romans 1:26. Now this actually flies directly in the face of what Talarico says right here. He says, oh, there's no mention of consensual same sex relationships. I'm about to read you a passage where like, it literally outlines that they were consensual same sex relationships that are a sign of the wrath of God. Romans 1, 26 and 27. Because of this, God gave, watch this. Gave them over to shameful lusts. In other words, he gave human societies over to their own desires. So these were desires they had. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. Verse 27. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with women. Now watch this. And were inflamed with lust for one another. So like, it's literally, specifically highlighting the. These were mutual consensual same sex lesbian relationships. And if you go down Romans 1, it's giving you a checklist of all the things you'll start to see in a society when it's under the wrath of God. And what Romans 1 does is it goes, man, when a society gets as bad as it can get, then you start having widespread, open same sex sexual relationship with each other. And then it goes on. Men committed shameful acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. So honestly, like, I'm just going to say it like he's lying. Let's see what else we'll do here.
James Talarico
And so it's remarkable to me that you have an entire political movement using Christianity to prioritize two issues that Jesus never talked about.
Pastor Josh
Okay, a couple of things here. First of all, argument from silence. Jesus never mentioned bestiality, incest, nuclear warheads, or paper straws, but they're all abominations too. Okay, here's the other thing again. Let's keep going back to this. He's trying to redefine life and redefine murder. And then saying, and then say, oh, the Bible never talked about this type of life and this type of murder. Okay, Jesus did specifically mention the Old Testament, command you shall not murder. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus did specifically command you to love your neighbor as yourself. I don't think killing your neighbor and chopping them up into pieces and then selling their, their body parts is loving your neighbor as yourself. And then in Matthew 18 Jesus specifically says, man, the father is not willing that any of these little ones should perish. Who are the little ones? Babies. Jesus also. And again, you hear this a lot. Jesus never talked about homosexuality or same sex relationships. It's insane. So what Jesus did. There's two ways Bible scholars talk about this. There's two ways to forbid something. Either you can list every single thing that's wrong, or you can point out the one thing that's right. And then by implication, everything that's not that one thing is forbidden. That's what Jesus did. Jesus very specifically defined marriage. So I'm just going to read it. Jesus said, have you not read that he who made them in the first place made them man and woman. Okay, so now we have an affirmation of biologically determined gender. And you have an affirmation of heterosexuality within marriage. Verse 5, it says, for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and cleave live with his wife. The two will become one. So they are no longer two, but one. Let no man divide what God has put together. There you go. So Jesus defines what marriage is. And then the implication Jesus goes, here's the one ideal. And then the obvious implication is that everything outside of that ideal is by implication forbidden. So, yeah, Jesus did talk about this. Jesus also used the Greek word porneia, from which we get the English word pornography. And what that is, Is this a catchall term describing anything outside of predominantly the Old Testament's view of sexual ethics? And obviously we just read it that that forbids homosexual sexual expression. All right, let's keep going, see if we can move a little quicker.
James Talarico
And so I'm not saying they're not important. I actually think both of those issues are very important. But to focus on those two things.
Pastor Josh
And I very much wonder what he means by that. He says he thinks both those issues are very important. Interesting.
James Talarico
Instead of feeding the hungry and healing.
Pastor Josh
The sick, I'll wait. Okay, I want you to hear this.
James Talarico
Whole time to focus on those two things. Instead of feeding the hungry and healing the sick and welcoming the stranger. Three things we're told to do ad nauseam in scripture.
Pastor Josh
Okay. You're going to see this a lot, so you need to understand this. Yeah. He said three things like feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and welcoming the stranger. And then I'm going to quote James Tallarico. He says things that Jesus commanded us to do in the scriptures. He's right. Jesus commanded us as individual Christians to do those things. Interestingly, what Jesus did not command in the scripture was for human governments to forcibly acquire people's wealth and then redistribute it for human governments to do those things. I have a feeling we're going to get into this here in a second. But, but I just want to agree with him. Yes, Jesus commanded us to do those things. And let me just say every single Christian should be examining their life and their personal generosity in their family to make sure they are doing those things. But there's something Jesus did not do. He did not command human governments to do those things. Let's keep going. And that may come up again. Let's see.
James Talarico
That, to me, is just. Is mind blowing.
Pastor Josh
How do you understand that? Because I'm Jewish. But when I read the New, he's talking to Ezra Klein from the New York Times Testament, I always come away a little bit amazed that politicized Christianity is so worried about gender, sexuality and so unconcerned with greed. Whoopsie daisy. Okay, I can help you out, Ezra. Okay. What you're gonna notice here's a big idea, is that when the left, when the modern left and right. And again, let me just reemphasize this. Christians are on Team Jesus. We do not have a political loyalty. We are going to be for whichever quote, unquote side more aligns with Team Jesus. Okay, but I'm going to talk in sort of party categories just because how the thing maps itself out right now. When the left and the right, modern left and right, use the words greed and generosity, they're using the same glossary, but they have different dictionaries. They're using the same words, but they have different definitions of the words greed and generosity. So in general, when conservatives use the word generosity, they mean generosity with their own money. I am choosing, like hopefully every Christian family does, to set aside a part of our income for us to willingly choose to give that to people that are in need and support the advance of the kingdom of God. So when conservatives use the word generosity, they mean generosity with their own money. When progressives use the word generosity, they mean generosity with other people's money. They mean voting to put people in power who will take other people's money, never their own other people's money and redistribute it to other people. So for conservatives, generosity is a willing choice to give away money. For progressives, generosity is voting for the government to take away other people's money and give it away. Now, here's why you see this, this is very interesting to me. When you see progressives like Ezra Klein And James Taller Eco. They say, oh, conservatives, they're not concerned with greed. First of all, I'll be honest, dude, as a pastor, I'm a Bible teacher, I don't know what the heck they're talking about. I have never been in a church. I've never even heard of a church that doesn't consistently preach on greed and generosity. The other thing that I'll point out is virtually every data set shows that Christian conservatives are about three times more generous with their time and their money than progressives are. So it's really interesting. You'll hear progressives all the time talk about, I'm a Christian conservatives, they don't care about greed. But then you look at the data and the data is that Christian conservatives are literally three times more generous than progressives are. I'm going to give you some quick stats and then we'll keep going. For instance, when Bernie Sanders was running For President in 2016, his tax returns came out. Dude was giving less than. He had given less than 1% of his income to charity in the last year. When Pete Buttigieg, I think that's how you pronounce his name, was making his little run exact same thing. These were the generosity candidates. They were the ones who wanted to be generous to the poor. And then when Pete Buttigieg, open homosexual, was running for office, it also came out less than 1% of his income was given to charity. And then when Biden, I looked this up in prep for this. When Biden was selected as a VP candidate in 2008, it was like a big deal that when his little tax returns came out that he super wealthy family had given less than $4,000 over an entire decade to any charitable causes. So what's really interesting is you'll hear political progressives say that Christ and conservatives don't care about greed and they're greedy, when actually the data is literally the exact opposite. Why? Because when the left and the right use the word generosity, they mean two different things. Conservatives mean generosity with their own money. Progressives mean generosity with other people's money. Now watch how Talarico responds to this.
James Talarico
You're preaching to the choir. You know, I absolutely. Concern for the poor, concern for the oppressed is everywhere. I mean, economic justice is mentioned 3,000 times in our scriptures. Both.
Pastor Josh
I would love to know what he means by the phrase economic justice. That's interesting. Let's keep going. He said economic justice is mentioned 3,000 times.
James Talarico
Sure. It's both the New Testament and the Hebrew scriptures. And so this is such A core part of our tradition. And it's nowhere to be seen in Christian nationalism.
Pastor Josh
Whoopsie daisy.
James Talarico
Or on the religious right.
Pastor Josh
Whoopsie daisy. Okay, again, I'm just keep going back to this. He says that generosity of the poor is, quote, nowhere to be seen on the religious right. Again, you just gotta keep going back to this. Literally all the data is that the religious right are the most generous people in America. Now let me just say, say a couple things real quick here because this is really important. You're going to hear this a lot in the coming years because right now trajectory may change. But right now on the political left, socialism and, and socialism light hard. Socialism and socialism light policies are gaining steam. So you're gonna hear this a lot in the coming years. So let me help you out with this. So speaking of things, earlier in this react video, they talked about things that were never mentioned in the Bible. Okay, Speaking of things never mentioned in the Bible, the phrase economic justice is never mentioned in the Bible. Okay, now here's. We're gonna go back to this. When the left and the right use words, they're using the same glossary, different definitions. One of this is super important. Listen really close. One of the words that both the left and the right use, but they mean different things when they say it is the word justice. This is really important and it is the bifurcation line between a lot of things on the modern left and the modern right. So here's what I mean when the Bible talks about justice. The most common phrase used in the Bible to describe justice is this phrase, equal weights and measures. Bookmark that in your head. Equal weights and measures, okay? When progressive. So what that means is equal standards should be applied for individuals. So when the Bible says equal weights and measures, it's saying, hey man, when people. It's like using an Old Testament analogy. When somebody walks up to buy a liter of wheat or a pound of barley, make sure you use equal weights and measures. So when you're putting them on scales, you don't use a false set of weights. And you tell the guy that he's buying a pound and he's actually buying 0.8 pounds, or that you're using different sets of weights and measures. For wealthy, powerful people and poor struggling people, it's equal weights and measures. Now here's the big idea. Listen real close. In the Bible, justice is equal standards for individuals. But progressivism is not built on Christian theology. It's built on critical theory. And in critical theory and progressivism, their definition of justice isn't equal standards for individuals. It's equal outcomes for groups that's really important. So they'll kind of go like, okay, we need black people and white people and Asian people. It's race Marxism, black people and white people and Asian people, and da, da, da, let's subdivide category society into these categories. And then we just need to sort of jerry rig the system, ghetto rigged the system where all the groups get different outcomes. So, for instance, this is Harvard deciding, hey, we need our admissions classes to reflect the exact demographics of the United States of America. Equal outcomes for groups. Here's the problem. You actually have to commit injustice to pursue that definition of justice. You actually have to use unequal weights and measures for individuals in order to manufacture equal outcomes for different racial and socioeconomic groups. This is why, if you haven't been paying attention, like, this is why white and Asian students had to score 30 to 50% higher on the same tests in order to gain admission to Ivy League schools as African American students. Well, why? Because we have to use unequal weights and measures to manufacture equal outcomes for groups. This is why, for instance, Pete, hecseth just nix this. Thank you, Pete. This is why the military, for instance, had to do one set of physical standards for men. And then because they wanted to admit women into every level of the combat parts of the military, they had to come up with an entirely different set of physical standards for the women. Again, watch. You have to commit injustice, unequal weights and measures in order to manufacture progressive justice, which is equal outcomes for groups. Now, when James talks about quote, unquote, economic justice, I have a feeling he's using the progressive definition of justice. We need equal outcomes instead of equal standards. Okay, Yeah. I'm going to say one other thing on this because it's really important, and then we'll get back to this. The other thing, if you're asking the question, okay, why do Christians that care about generosity so much not advocate for, like, socialism, light policies that max boost welfare states, and quote unquote, governmental generosity to the poor? Let me do this really quick. This, what I'm getting ready to say is going to become the dividing line in the next few years. In my opinion, the reason for this is a dude named Abraham Kuyper that came up that identified this, and it's called Kuyperian sphere sovereignty for you theology nerds. Basically, when you get in the Bible, God establishes three institutions for the right ordering of society. The family, the church, and the state. Each of them have their own jurisdictions and there's different responsibilities that God assigns to the different jurisdictions. So God assigns, for instance, the education and the discipleship of children, the feeding of children to the family. He does not assign that to the church or the state. And then the church's role is word and sacrament. The state's role, According to Romans 13 and the book of 1 Peter, the state's role is justice. Your job, state government is to be, quote, reward those who do good and be a terror to those who do wrong. Okay, now here's the big idea is that in the Bible, God assigns the primary responsibility for charity to the family and to the church, not to the state. So over and over again, individual Christians, families and churches are commanded by God to practice generosity. And hey Christians, we should cheer that on and practice that with our whole hearts. What you do not see in the government are in the Bible is God commanding governments to take on the primary role of charity. And then for governments to forcibly acquire people's earned wealth and then redistribute it and become a charity. We're a country, not a charity is kind of the idea. There's a reason for this. That's a wisdom thing that we could get into. I'll just say it really quick. The reason for this is because with governments you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. I'm going to say it one more time. With governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. That right there is why when states like Washington and California, they max boost government programs to quote, unquote, care for the homeless, guess what happens? They end up overrun by more homelessness. They do not end up solving homelessness. Why? Because with governments, you tend to get more of what you incentivize and less of what you penalize. So there's your answer, Ezra and James. Let's keep going.
James Talarico
And the Bible is all over the place when it comes to marriage. Paul tells us not to get married. And you, bro, certainly different. Many different kinds of marriages throughout scripture. And the same with gender. You know, Paul says that in Christ there is neither male nor female, which is pretty woke for the first century, you know, and.
Pastor Josh
Oh my gosh. All right, all right. So we said the Bible's all over the place on marriage and on gender. Ladies and gentlemen, Paul was woke because of Galatians 3. So let me say this because a lot of Christians who are new to the Bible, they honestly get tripped up on this. Hey, there's lots of polygamous relationships in the Bible, does that mean the polygamy is okay? Well, guys, here's the big idea. This is actually really easy to understand. Hey, the Bible tells the stories of the lives of sinners, so guess what? It records sin. This is it. So what Bible commentators do is they'll differentiate. And wise Bible reading Christians will be able to do this. They'll differentiate between what the Bible describes and what the Bible prescribes. Just because the Bible describes a bunch of wrong relationships doesn't mean that the Bible is prescribing those relationships. And guess what, ladies and gentlemen, Literally every single time the Bible prescribes what marriage should look like, it is one man and one woman in a lifelong sexual fidelity relationship. This is the easiest to see. Whoever designs it gets to define it. Go back to Genesis 1 and 2. And when God creates things and declares that they are good, what does he create? He creates one dude and one woman in a lifelong loving covenantal relationship. So difference between what the Bible describes and prescribes, now what he also does. And honestly, this is novel. I've never seen anybody do this before. So in one sense, hats off, James. In another sense, I want to bang the microphone against my head. In defense of transgender ideology, Seemingly, state representative Talarico is trotting out Galatians 3, which says there is neither male nor female. Now, my brother, well, Paul very obviously is not. Meaning is that when somebody gets saved, their genitals change or their biological gender no longer matters and dudes can now dress like chicks and all the things. In fact, my friend, if you were to read the Apostle Paul, the Apostle Paul is like the most gender based guy you've ever come across in your life. He gives extremely societally unpopular gender specific commands like, husbands, you're the head of your wife and wives, you should submit to your husbands in all things as unto the Lord. Husbands, get out there and provide for your family and wives. Prioritize your home. We can someday we'll do the head covering passages. But I mean, like, what Paul clearly does not mean is that when you get saved, that is somehow the erasure of all biological gender distinctions. Galatians 3 is addressing the Galatian heresy of There was a group called the Judaizers that was trying to make a dividing line in dividing the church between people who were circumcised and people who weren't circumcised. And they were kind of going, the circumcision party was saying that really the only people who are actually saved are people who are Jewish people who are circumcised. So in Galatians 3, Paul says, there's neither Jew nor Greek, there's neither slave nor free. There's neither male nor female. He's not saying that grace erases nature. What he's saying is, and this is wonderful news, that with respect to salvation and Jesus Christ, it doesn't matter who you are, brother. Doesn't matter who you are, sister. You just come because the ground is level at the foot of the cross. So no distinctions with relationship to salvation.
James Talarico
So, yeah, again, it's because religion is being used to control people and accumulate.
Pastor Josh
Like James Talarico does. James Talarico is trying to use Bible verses to control you, to vote for things like, quote, unquote, free universal health care. Newsflash is not free socialism, light redistributive policies. You're doing that, James. You're the one that's using the Bible to quote, unquote, control people in your way. Is Christian nationalism for me, but not for thee. For James Tallarico, power and wealth for.
James Talarico
Those at the top. This is a tale as old as time, and it is not unique to Christianity. Powerful people will always see religion as a tool to make more money and be able to keep people in line.
Pastor Josh
Like James Salarigo, trying to use the Bible to permit abortion and gay marriage, but command socialism and open borders. Last thing. Why is this guy really popular? That is the most amount of biblical contradictions I think I've ever seen, crammed into 2 minutes and 23 seconds in my entire life. So why is this guy really popular? Heads up. We have a specific prophecy in the New Testament that in the end times, in the last days, people will not put up with sound doctrine, but they will gather for themselves teachers who will say what they want the teachers to say because they have itching ears. And this guy is really popular because there's a lot of godless people who. It's like, they got this thing and they're like, I need somebody to tell me that this is okay and that this is what everybody should be doing. And this is a false teacher that is willing to scratch itching ears. James Talarico, ladies and gentlemen.
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Pastor Josh Howerton, lead pastor at Lakepointe Church, delivers a reaction and refutation to Texas State Representative James Talarico's public comments on Christianity, abortion, homosexuality, and the intersection of faith and politics. The episode critically examines Talarico’s arguments, particularly the claim that abortion and homosexuality are not discussed in the Bible and that Christian conservatives have misprioritized issues. Josh Howerton uses scripture, theology, and practical examples to respond point-by-point.
“There are people... who are walking into churches and walking into the lives of Christians with the demonic specific intent to deceive Christians and advance evil and destroy their faith. James Talarico, I think is probably in the second category.” — Josh Howerton [01:10]
"You need to understand what is happening right now is the church is not getting more political. Politics have gotten spiritual in the last 20 years. We didn't move, politics did." — Josh Howerton [00:00]
"You have to like jettison 2000 years of near unanimous Christian theology to say that abortion is not murder. And then you have to just lie to everybody's face to say the Bible never mentions abortion." — Josh Howerton [13:42]
"It's literally, specifically highlighting the... mutual consensual same-sex lesbian relationships. Honestly, I'm just going to say it, like, he's lying." — Josh Howerton [14:29]
“There’s two ways to forbid something. Either you can list every single thing that’s wrong, or you can point out the one thing that’s right… That’s what Jesus did.” — Josh Howerton [16:46]
“When conservatives use the word generosity, they mean generosity with their own money. When progressives use the word generosity, they mean generosity with other people’s money.” — Josh Howerton [20:30]
“Wise Bible reading Christians... differentiate between what the Bible describes and what the Bible prescribes.” — Josh Howerton [33:22]
“Literally every single time the Bible prescribes what marriage should look like, it is one man and one woman in a lifelong sexual fidelity relationship.” — Josh Howerton [34:06]
“You’re the one that’s using the Bible to quote, unquote, control people in your way. Is Christian nationalism for me, but not for thee.” — Josh Howerton [36:26]
“We have a specific prophecy in the New Testament that in the end times... people will not put up with sound doctrine, but they will gather for themselves teachers who will say what they want... and this guy is really popular because there’s a lot of godless people who... need somebody to tell me that this is okay and that this is what everybody should be doing. And this is a false teacher that is willing to scratch itching ears.” — Josh Howerton [37:32]
| Segment Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------|------------------| | Pastor Josh's Introduction & Tone | 00:00 - 02:54 | | Talarico on the Religious Right, Abortion, Homosexuality| 02:54 - 08:09 | | Does the Bible Mention Abortion/Homosexuality? | 08:18 - 15:07 | | Did Jesus Ever Prioritize These Issues? | 15:07 - 18:11 | | Feeding the Hungry vs. Sexual Ethics | 18:11 - 24:06 | | Christian Generosity & Economic Justice | 24:06 - 31:57 | | Marriage, Gender, & Biblical Interpretation | 31:57 - 36:17 | | Religion as Control; “Itching Ears” Prophecy | 36:17 - end |
Pastor Josh Howerton’s episode is a forceful defense of historic Christian teachings on life, marriage, and sexuality while exposing, in his view, the inconsistencies and manipulations in Talarico’s progressive arguments. The conversation goes beyond proof-texting, delving into the core philosophies underpinning how Christians should interact with politics, justice, and generosity. Throughout, Josh maintains a direct, sometimes combative tone, aiming to equip listeners for public and private faith conversations in a politicized age.