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Live Free with Josh Howerton
Episode: Megachurch Pastor Reacts to James Talarico's INSANE Claims on ABORTION!?
Date: February 11, 2026
Host: Josh Howerton, with Carlos Arazo and Paul Cunningham
Podcast by Lakepointe Church

Episode Overview

In this episode, Pastor Josh Howerton and guests react to a viral Joe Rogan podcast clip featuring Texas politician James Talarico, who claims the Bible supports abortion and that Jesus never spoke about homosexuality. The panel discusses the theological and historical basis for the traditional Christian positions on these issues, addresses the confusion these claims have caused among Christians, and critiques the use of scriptural arguments by progressive Christians in public discourse.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Clarifying Talarico's Claims (00:00–02:11)

• Context:
  The clip in question went viral due to Talarico's assertions that the Bible supports abortion and that Jesus did not address homosexuality, confusing many Christians.

• Josh Howerton:

  “James Talarico… poses as a Christian pastor and makes some pretty outrageous claims… he gives some confusing arguments that confuse Christians on why and Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.” (00:25)

2. Did Jesus Address Homosexuality? (02:11–09:54)

• Paul Cunningham:

  • Critiques the argument "Jesus never talked about [X]" as ignorant of biblical hermeneutics.
  • Emphasizes Jesus' affirmation of the Old Testament and the unity of the Trinity:

    “…If it said it in the Old Testament, he is God. Actually it is his words.” (03:30)

• Josh Howerton:

  • Calls "argument from silence" the weakest possible argument:

    “There’s tons of stuff Jesus never explicitly talked about that everyone knows are evil.” (04:26)

  • Explains Jesus’ method of positively defining right sexual relationships (Matthew 19) rather than explicitly listing all wrong ones:

    “What Jesus does… is he defines what is acceptable sexual expression and what is biblical marriage... by implication, everything else is out.” (05:51)

• Paul Cunningham:

  • Points to Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 as New Testament affirmations against homosexuality.

3. The ‘Religious Right’ and Core Christian Issues (08:51–09:54)

• Paul Cunningham:

  • Clarifies heresy and orthodoxy:

    “Heresy often precedes orthodoxy… when what we believe begins to be challenged, we then have to directly and clearly articulate what Christians have always believed.” (09:17)

• Josh Howerton:

  • Pushes back against the accusation that pastors focus unduly on issues like sexuality simply because culture brings them to the forefront.

4. Southern Baptist Convention & Abortion (09:54–14:40)

• Claim:
  Talarico asserts the Southern Baptist Convention was pro-choice until the late 1970s.

• Paul Cunningham:

  • Dissects the 1971 SBC resolution, clarifying they reaffirmed commitment to sanctity of life but allowed for exceptions (rape, incest, severe deformity).
  • Explains the “conservative resurgence” that reaffirmed a strict pro-life stance:

    “…over the next 10 to 15 to 20 years, there was a resurgence that basically said, hey, we have drifted away from the Bible and we need to reclaim that.” (11:36)

• Josh Howerton:

  • Emphasizes historic Christian opposition to abortion, tracing sources from the Didache to Tertullian and Aquinas:

    “You shall not procure abortion. Like, it’s kind of straightforward.” (13:02)

5. Scripture and Historic Christian Teaching on Abortion (13:41–19:27)

• Early and medieval Christian writings are quoted to show a consistent, ancient opposition to abortion.

• Paul Cunningham:

  “…if I put you in a travel machine, time travel machine, and we went to any time before, really last 50 years, like, this view [pro-choice] would have been described as heresy.” (14:23)

• Modern exceptions debated:
  Howerton affirms a strictly pro-life stance, with deep compassion but unwilling to support exceptions not justified by scripture.

6. Numbers 5 and Bible ‘Instructions’ for Abortion (15:34–19:27)

• Talarico alludes to ancient abortion methods and claims Numbers 5 provides instructions for abortion.
• Josh Howerton:
  • Explains Numbers 5 addresses suspected adultery, not abortion.
  • Paul Cunningham:
    • Highlights text never mentions pregnancy and involves divine judgment, not human abortion.

    “If you’re seeing something no one has seen before, it’s because it isn’t there.” (17:36)

7. Bodily Autonomy and Christian Framing (19:28–21:03)

• Panel notes the problematic framing of abortion as purely “bodily autonomy.”
• Josh Howerton:

  “There’s two bodies involved, not just one… you’re saying you have the right over somebody else’s bodily autonomy.” (20:34)

8. Biblical ‘Evidence’ for Pro-Choice Arguments (21:03–23:38)

• Talarico’s argument:
  Life begins at first breath (Genesis/Adam); supposedly a mainstream Jewish view.

• Paul Cunningham:

  • Rebuts by pointing out Adam is a supernatural exception, and scripture affirms life in the womb (Luke, Psalm 139, Jeremiah).

• Notable exchange:

  “Adam was never a fetus.” (22:09, Howerton)

9. Jesus and the Dignity of Women (23:38–25:48)

• Talarico:
  Claims Jesus’ respect for women undercuts pro-life views.
• Josh Howerton:
  Affirms Jesus’ radical affirmation of women but notes this is not a logical or scriptural basis for abortion rights.

  “That’s quite a leap to go from Jesus had a long conversation with a woman one time, therefore [pro-choice].” (24:41)

10. The Christian Moral Case Against Abortion (25:48–27:37)

• Paul Cunningham:
  Lays out 4-point moral argument (from Andrew Walker and David Beckwith):
  1. Unborn children are members of the human species.
  2. It is morally wrong to take innocent human life.
  3. Abortion takes human life.
  4. Therefore, abortion is immoral.

11. Gospel Grace for Those Who’ve Had Abortions (27:37–27:52)

• Josh Howerton:
  Expresses deep compassion and anchors hope in the redemptive work of Christ:

  “…the death that most defines your life is not the death of your son or your daughter. It’s the death of the son of God that cleanses you from all sin.” (27:26)

12. Talarico’s ‘Consent’ Argument About Mary (27:52–32:32)

• Talarico:
  Argues the Annunciation story supports bodily autonomy/consent.

• Panel’s response:

  • No textual support for God asking Mary’s permission; all statements are declarative (“you will conceive”).
  • Paul Cunningham:

    “Do you really want to base your theology of abortion on the fact that Mary could have aborted the Son of God?” (29:44)

  • Argues Mary’s response is one of obedience, not some model for bodily autonomy.

13. Why Discuss ‘Political’ Issues in Church? (32:32–33:55)

• Josh Howerton:
  Explains church is not becoming political, but that politics have encroached on spiritual and moral ground.

  “…the church is not getting political. Politics are getting spiritual… Whenever the government moves out of its lane… it’s the job of the church [to speak up].” (33:39)

14. Speaking Strongly Against Misleading Teachers (33:55–36:38)

• Howerton addresses calling Talarico ‘pastor of the Synagogue of Satan’:
  Cites biblical precedent (Revelation 3), describing strong responses as necessary when false teaching endangers souls and lives.

  “That is not a moment for measured words. Let's be nice. No, no, that's a moment to be like, sit down, shut up... That's mean. No, no, what's mean is allowing someone to continue teaching things that if believed, will result in death and people going to hell.” (34:59)

• Paul Cunningham:

  “…Christian leaders have the responsibility to rise up and speak very pointedly and call it out.” (35:28)

15. Progressive Christianity and Political Activism (36:13–38:52)

• Howerton:
  Notes the irony that progressive Christians criticize “Christian nationalism” while commonly using (often questionable) Bible arguments to justify their own political positions.

  “Progressive Christianity grows social media platforms but shrinks churches.” (36:27)

  “Christian nationalism for me, but not for thee.” (38:24)

Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• Paul Cunningham:

  “If you’re seeing something no one has seen before, it’s because it isn’t there.” (17:36)

• Josh Howerton:

  “There’s two bodies involved, not just one.” (20:34)

• Josh Howerton:

  “…the death that most defines your life is not the death of your son or your daughter. It’s the death of the son of God that cleanses you from all sin.” (27:26)

• Paul Cunningham:

  “Do you really want to base your theology of abortion on the fact that Mary could have aborted the Son of God?” (29:44)

• Josh Howerton:

  “Church is not getting political. Politics are getting spiritual.” (33:39)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 02:11 : Introducing Talarico, viral claims, episode setup
• 02:11 – 09:54 : Did Jesus address homosexuality? New Testament witness
• 09:54 – 14:40 : Southern Baptist Convention, history on abortion
• 15:34 – 19:27 : Numbers 5, ‘bible instructions’ for abortion?
• 19:28 – 21:03 : Bodily autonomy, Christian and biblical framing
• 21:03 – 23:38 : When does life begin? Genesis, Adam, and Jewish perspectives
• 23:38 – 25:48 : Dignity of women in Jesus’ ministry
• 25:48 – 27:37 : Christian moral reasoning against abortion
• 27:37 – 27:52 : Grace and restoration for those affected by abortion
• 27:52 – 32:32 : Mary and the consent argument
• 32:32 – 33:55 : Why this is a church, not political, issue
• 33:55 – 38:52 : False teachers, ‘synagogue of Satan’ language, and progressive politics

Tone and Language

• Scriptural, passionate, and occasionally blunt—especially when confronting ideas the hosts see as dangerous or misleading.
• Frequent use of humor, rhetorical questions, and analogies.
• Rooted in historic Christian teaching and pastoral concern.

Summary

This episode offers a robust evangelical response to progressive Christian arguments regarding abortion and homosexuality, with a strong emphasis on scriptural authority, historic church teaching, and pastoral care for those hurt by these issues. The panel pushes back on what they see as the misuse or distortion of scripture by public figures and underscores the importance of church leaders speaking clearly and forcefully when cultural confusion arises. They also differentiate between political activism and spiritual responsibility, asserting the church’s duty to defend biblical truth when societal norms conflict with Christian beliefs.