Kathryn Schultz, Keanon Lowe, and John Craigie (REBROADCAST)

Summary

Live Wire with Luke Burbank

Episode: Kathryn Schulz, Keenan Lowe, and John Craigie (REBROADCAST)
Release Date: July 11, 2025
Host: Luke Burbank
Description: Live Wire with Luke Burbank is a vibrant radio show blending conversations with an eclectic mix of artists, musicians, writers, filmmakers, comedians, and cultural observers.

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1. Welcome and Overview

Luke Burbank opens the episode by introducing the theme of "losing and finding" and briefly outlines the guests:

• Kathryn Schulz, a New Yorker writer discussing her memoir Lost and Found.
• Keenan Lowe, a former college football star turned high school coach, sharing his life-altering experience.
• John Craigie, a musician known for his humorous and heartfelt folk music.

2. Kathryn Schulz on Lost and Found

Kathryn Schulz delves into her memoir, which intertwines the profound loss of her father with the serendipitous discovery of her wife, exploring themes of grief and joy.

• Exploration of Grief and Joy:

  • Kathryn Schulz (00:02): "This week on the show, we are talking about losing, but also about finding things..."
  • Kathryn Schulz (10:01): "For me, there's something useful about knowing that we're going to lose everything... it reminds us how precious it is."

• The Power of the Word "Lost":

  • Kathryn Schulz (11:11): "Originally, the very earliest use of loss... was related to being separated from someone you love or being bereft in a sense."

• Personal Anecdotes:

  • Kathryn Schulz (15:44) discusses her father's background, highlighting his multilingual prowess and absent-minded genius, which shaped her understanding of loss and memory.

• Finding Love Amidst Loss:

  • Kathryn Schulz (24:37): "We cannot ward off all loss... but the fact that we're going to lose everything reminds us to cherish it while we have it."

3. Flaco the Owl: A Story of Resilience

Following Schulz's segment, Luke shares an inspiring story about Flaco, a Eurasian eagle owl from Central Park Zoo who overcame captivity and adapted to the wild.

• Flaco’s Journey:

  • Luke Burbank (06:23): "Flacco has figured out how to hunt and keep feeding himself... they're going to leave Flaco alone."

• Impact on Central Park:

  • Keenan Lowe (08:35): "Flaco thriving in Central Park is the best news that I heard this week."

4. Listener Stories: The Coolest Things Found

The show engages listeners by sharing their responses to the question, "What's the coolest thing you've ever found?"

• Tina’s Returned Sweater:

  • Tina (27:02): Found a sweater she had given away years ago, identical in style and wear.

• Eric’s Charms Bracelet:

  • Eric (27:28): Discovered a charm bracelet from a great aunt's adventurous past with the circus.

• Angela’s $20 Discovery:

  • Angela (28:14): Found $20 in a park at night, which provided crucial help during a tough time.

• Heather’s Free Bikes:

  • Heather (29:03): Came across two free, practically new bikes perfectly sized for her daughters.

5. Keenan Lowe on Hometown Victory

Keenan Lowe shares his journey from an NFL career to coaching a struggling high school football team, culminating in a heroic act that saved a student’s life.

• Transition to Coaching:

  • Keenan Lowe (30:35): "I was fresh out of college... then I lost my best friend to an opioid overdose, which led me back home."

• Turning Around the Team:

  • Keenan Lowe (33:21): Emphasizes trust and mentorship as keys to transforming his high school team, leading them to their first playoff win in two seasons.

• Heroic Act at Parkrose High:

  • Keenan Lowe (35:46): Describes the tense moment when he confronts a student pulling a shotgun, ultimately disarming him and providing a hug, an act that went viral and saved a life.

  • Keenan Lowe (37:10): "In losing my best friend and him losing his life, I ended up saving a young man's life inside of school by following my heart."

• Impact and Reflection:

  • Keenan Lowe (40:23): Reflects on the defining moments of his life and the importance of kindness, expressing gratitude for being able to make a positive impact.

6. Musical Interlude: John Craigie

John Craigie, the show's musical guest, performs his song "Laura Youe Old Mia J." while sharing anecdotes about performing on live radio and navigating censorship of explicit lyrics.

• Musical Performance Highlights:

  • John Craigie (49:56) delivers a blend of humor and serious folk in his performance, showcasing his lyrical prowess and musicality.

• Behind-the-Scenes Insights:

  • John Craigie (46:14): Discusses his growth as a musician and the challenges of balancing storytelling with musicality.

7. Conclusion and Credits

Luke wraps up the episode by thanking guests Kathryn Schulz, Keenan Lowe, and John Craigie, and acknowledging supporters and sponsors. He provides a preview of the next week's show featuring writer Gabe Henry and Samoan poet William Nuteupu Giles, along with a musical performance by Sir Woman.

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Notable Quotes

• Kathryn Schulz (10:01): "For me, there's something useful about knowing that we're going to lose everything... it reminds us how precious it is."
• Keenan Lowe (37:10): "In losing my best friend and him losing his life, I ended up saving a young man's life inside of school by following my heart."
• John Craigie (46:14): "I'm still learning a lot with music, so I like those kind of compliments because I feel that way with each album."

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Key Takeaways

• Interconnectedness of Loss and Love: Kathryn Schulz's memoir illustrates how personal tragedies can coexist with profound personal discoveries, highlighting the resilience of the human spirit.
• The Power of Trust and Mentorship: Keenan Lowe's transformation of a struggling high school team underscores the importance of building trust and providing genuine support to foster growth and success.
• Acts of Heroism and Kindness: Both Schulz and Lowe’s stories emphasize how moments of vulnerability can lead to significant positive outcomes when approached with empathy and courage.
• Musical Storytelling: John Craigie exemplifies how music can be a powerful medium for storytelling, blending humor and depth to connect with audiences.

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This episode of Live Wire with Luke Burbank masterfully weaves together personal narratives, inspiring stories of heroism, and engaging musical performances, offering listeners a rich tapestry of emotions and insights. Whether exploring the depths of grief and love or witnessing acts of bravery and kindness, the show provides meaningful content that resonates with a diverse audience.

Transcript

[Luke Burbank]

Hey there. Welcome to Livewire. I'm your host, Luke Burbank. This week on the show, we are talking about losing, but also about finding things with New Yorker writer Kathryn Schultz talking about her incredible book, lost and Found, which discusses her losing her father at the same time that she was finding and falling in love with her wife. Then we're gonna be talking to Kenan Lowe. Kenan was a former football star here in Oregon who returned to his hometown to coach a high school team and to sort of refine his sense of purpose. And during that time, he managed to disarm a student who brought a gun to school. He disarmed him with a hug. It's an incredible story that you don't want to miss. Then we're going to hear some music from one of our favorites and definitely the funniest musician we know, John Craigie. Speaking of finding things, we're so glad you found Livewire this week, which I'll get started right after this.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Recently, there's been a lot of controversy over books. Which books to read, which books to teach, which books to share with our children. We're living through an uncertain time, and it's clearer than ever that books have power.

[Luke Burbank]

So we at Brooklyn Public Library wanted to return to the books. This summer, we're launching a new podcast series called Borrowed and Returned where we.

[Elena Passarello]

Revisit the books that changed us and changed America, too.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Our first episode drops July 8th. Subscribe to Borrowed wherever you get podcasts and spend your summer rereading with us.

[Luke Burbank]

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[Elena Passarello]

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[Luke Burbank]

This episode of Livewire was originally recorded in February of 2023. We hope you like it. Now let's get to the show.

[Keenan Lowe]

From prx. It's Livewire this week Writer Kathryn Schulz.

[Kathryn Schulz]

I think actually a lot of this book, although it is about losing and about finding and love and grief, is actually about how you kind of take the side of joy.

[Keenan Lowe]

And football coach and author Keenan Lowe.

[John Craigie]

In Losing My Best Friend, I ended up saving a young man's life inside of school by following my heart with.

[Keenan Lowe]

Music from John Craigie.

[John Craigie]

As a kid, I was the funny guy. So people who knew me as a kid, they'll come to the show and they're like, hey, not bad on the music.

[Keenan Lowe]

And our fabulous house band, I'm your announcer, Elena Passarello. And now the host of Livewire, Luke Burbank.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, thank you so much, Elena Passarello. Thanks to everyone all over the country for tuning in. Of course, we ask Livewire listeners a question each week. This week we asked, what's the coolest thing you've ever found? We're talking to the writer Kathryn Schultz about her really incredible book, Lost and Found. We're going to hear those listener responses coming up in just a few moments. First, though, we got to kick things off with the best news we heard all week. This is our little reminder at the top of the show that there is some good news happening out there in the world. Elena, what is the best news that you heard all week?

[Keenan Lowe]

Well, I guess this is sort of in keeping with the Lost and found theme because this story involves a loss of revenue.

[Luke Burbank]

Okay, wow. All right. Way to make that work.

[Keenan Lowe]

It's the best news because it's funny. A couple weeks ago, it was just this random Thursday night in Chesterfield Township, Michigan, and 6 year old Mason was winding down with his dad Keith at the end of the day. And Mason every evening gets 30 minutes on his dad's phone to play an educational app. And then usually. Cause he's six, it's kind of a struggle to get Mason to go to bed. But on this particular night, after 30 minutes, he handed the phone back and he was like, good night. And he ran upstairs and went to bed. And Keith, his dad, was like, all right. And then the doorbell rang.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh my goodness.

[Keenan Lowe]

And then he saw another pair of headlights in the driveway. And the doorbell rang again. And he finally went outside and there was close to a literal ton of grubhub food waiting on the porch. We're talking 100 pieces of jumbo shrimp. We're talking multiple chicken sandw pizzas out the oas, grape leaves galore from a bunch of different restaurants. Yeah, Dolmas from a shawarma place. There was a Coney island hot Dog place, a pizza place.

[Luke Burbank]

Love the range for Mason. You know, a lot of 6 year olds not going for the Dolmas.

[Keenan Lowe]

So you, you figured it out that it was Mason who did this?

[Luke Burbank]

I was able to, you know, just kind of jump maybe to the end of the story there. I don't mean to step on your ending.

[Keenan Lowe]

Oh, no. You know, once Keith figured it out, he stormed upstairs and there was Mason and he was in his bed and he says the covers were pulled to his eyes.

[Kathryn Schulz]

And.

[Keenan Lowe]

And he started. His dad started to talk to him about the fact that he just charged $11,000 worth of Grubhub onto his dad's account. And Mason held his hand out and said, hold on one second, dad, have the pepperoni pizzas come yet? But luckily, because Mason's mom, Keith's wife, has an at home bakery business, they have a bunch of fridges and freezers and ways of storing this food, they're also going to give some of the food away. And then when grubhub found out about this little sn, they gave the family $1,000 worth of Grubhub gift cards, which is really just enabling Mason to do this again as far as I'm concerned.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it was an educational app for Mason. He learned that he's not supposed to do that anymore.

[Keenan Lowe]

That's correct, yes.

[Luke Burbank]

The best news that I saw this week involved the story of Flaco the owl. Flaco is a Eurasian eagle owl. Now you know all about birds. Elena, you also write for Audubon magazine. So I'm not sure if you've been following the case of Flacco, but the bad news that happened was that the Central Park Zoo in New York had some vandalism. Go on. Where somebody cut basically like an enclosure open. And that happened to be where Flaco the owl was living. And now Flaco has been at the Central Park Zoo since he was like under a year old. So pretty much everything Flaco knows about existing in the world has been in captivity. By the way, I have to say, Flacco, like, I live in Baltimore. And we're talking about the quarterback, Joe Flacco.

[Keenan Lowe]

Flacco. No, that's right.

[Luke Burbank]

Good to really have that coming through here. Come on, Baltimore. So Flacco has been like in Central park, living in the trees. And they've been following Flaco, but they can't seem to catch him. He's fairly elusive. And the concern there is that Flaco doesn't really know how to survive in the wild because Flacco's never lived out there on his own. And so he was just kind of like. Flacco, by the way, means like skinny in Spanish. And he was getting very close to achieving that goal his first couple of weeks in the wild because he didn't know how to hunt. And he flew up to a shopping mall somewhere in Manhattan. Firefighters tried to catch him. That was unsuccessful. But something really incredible recently happened. Alena. And as a bird, enthusiastic, you'll appreciate this. Flaco started vomiting the bones and fur of rats that Flacko has been apparently successfully hunting in Central Park.

[Keenan Lowe]

So they can't catch him, but they can catch his pellets, his butt pellets.

[Luke Burbank]

And they've been analyzing what's coming out of Flaco, and it appears that Flacco has figured out how to hunt the, let's just say, extremely large population of rats in Central Park. And because of this, they have decided that Flacco is now just allowed to live in Central Park.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Oh, my gosh.

[Luke Burbank]

Flacco has figured it out how to hunt and how to keep feeding himself. So the news this week from the zoo is we're gonna leave Flaco alone. We've basically released him into the wilds of Central park, where, by the way, I will actually be this week. So I'll be doing my traditional little jog in Central park, and I'm gonna keep an eye out out for Flaco.

[Keenan Lowe]

Are they going to change his name if he keeps feeding himself so well?

[Luke Burbank]

To Gordo.

[Keenan Lowe]

Gordo.

[Luke Burbank]

We're all hoping that Flaco can get to Gordo status out there. And. And Lord knows it's a win win because it'll be reducing the rat population. Amen. In Central Park. So Flaco thriving in Central park is the best news that I heard this week. All right, let's welcome our first guest on over to the program. She's a staff writer for the New Yorker, where she won a Pulitzer Prize. Her work has also appeared in the best American travel writing, the best American food writing as well. Her latest book is Lost and Found. It's a memoir. It talks about losing her father at about the same time that she was finding the love of her life. Here is our chat with Kathryn Schultz, recorded in front of a live audience at the Holt center for the Performing Arts in Eugene, Oregon. Katharine, welcome to the show.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Thank you.

[Luke Burbank]

This book is, first of all, it is absolutely incredible. I can't say enough about it. And it has so many different elements to it. It's, in a way, sort of a two parter. It talks about the loss of Your father. It also talks about you finding the love of your life and sort of woven together at the end. I'm curious when you thought that this life experience is something that could make a good book.

[Kathryn Schulz]

It was the love, as it so often is. I had written a little bit about my father's death not long after I lost him. And I wrote about it in the context of losing all these other things. Keys, cell phones, elections. It was a bad year, but yeah, I didn't really want to spend 2, 3, 4 years of my life just thinking about grief. But there was this moment when I realized, ah, well, there's this mirror image story I could tell that would kind of explore the category of discovery, but that would have the emotional heart of a love story at the core of it. And that, to me, started seeming awfully interesting.

[Luke Burbank]

You also really go into a bit of a deep dive on just the science of losing things. Starting with the fact that a lot of us don't really fully understand the origin of the word lost.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Yeah, I was quite surprised by that. You know, when we say something like, I lost my father. I had just always assumed that that was frankly a euphemism, like saying, oh, my father passed or whatever. But it felt really right to me. And I don't normally like euphemism, so I got kind of interested in the word. And it turned out I was completely wrong, actually. Originally, the very earliest use of loss, when it showed up in the English language, had that sense of being separated from someone you love or being bereft in a sense, in fact, that that word lost is related to the lorn in forlorn. So it's always had this note of real grief and sorrow inside it.

[Luke Burbank]

Is it true that the average person loses nine items a day? That's in this book. And I was shocked by that.

[Kathryn Schulz]

It's quite shocking, yes. According to, like insurance companies and places that bother to gather information like this. I like to think that at least two members of my family have skewed the average so drastically in the direction of loss that the rest of us only lose like two or three things a day. But apparently it's true.

[Luke Burbank]

You write in this book about the sort of two theories as to why we lose things. And one is kind of scientific and the other is, I guess you would say Freudian in some way. What are the theories on that?

[Kathryn Schulz]

Yeah, I mean, the short version is, I think they're both kind of unsatisfying. But the scientific one is, you know, our minds are fallible, as you might imagine. And we fail to either encode a memory of where we left something or we encode it just fine and we fail to retrieve the memory. And so lo and behold, like, who knows where my cell phone is. The psychological one is actually frankly, much more interesting, but I'm personally inclined to think it's a bunk. That's the theory that, you know, you only lose something that you just want out of your life.

[Luke Burbank]

That's the Freudian idea, right?

[Kathryn Schulz]

That's the Freudian idea. Like I lost my cell phone because I'm tormented by modern technology, or there's some text message in it I can't bear to read. And so it goes missing. And the minute I resolve my deep emotional issues about cell phones, it will re materialize in my life. That's happened for me. Never.

[Luke Burbank]

This is LIVEWIRE from prx. We are talking to writer Kathryn Schulz about her latest book, Lost and Found. When we come back, we're going to find out how Katherine managed having a deadline for a Pulitzer Prize winning article for the New Yorker and also going on a first date with her future wife. This all happened on the same day. We're going to hear about it coming up on livewire.

[Deborah Treisman]

Hi, I'm Deborah Treisman, fiction editor of the New Yorker and host of the New Yorker Fiction Podcast. On the podcast, I ask a great contemporary writer to select a favorite story from the magazine's almost hundred year archive to read and discuss. Together we delve into the story, exploring its themes, its style and what makes fiction work. You can listen to authors like Ottessa Moshfegh talk about why we write story.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Or attaching a story or creating a story. Is this inclination that we all have to stop spinning?

[Deborah Treisman]

And you can hear writers like George Saunders discuss the nature of storytelling on the first read.

[John Craigie]

You accept these things as descriptions and.

They make you see the scene. But every line is a chance to.

[Luke Burbank]

Inflect the reader's mind.

[Deborah Treisman]

You'll discover new favorite authors and read old favorites in new ways. Episodes of the New Yorker Fiction Podcast are released on the 1st of every month. Listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts.

[Luke Burbank]

Welcome back to livewire. Coming to you this week from the Holt center here in Eugene, Oregon, I'm Luke Burbank, here with Alaina Passarello. We are talking with New Yorker writer Kathryn Schultz about her latest book, Lost and Found. This book focuses the first part of the book on your father, who was just an absolutely brilliant man, but also hopeless with losing things with just whatever it would be, keys, passports, you Name it. Is there anything to that idea of the kind of absent minded genius or that our brains are only capable of being good at knowing about the law or baseball in his case, but not remembering where our stuff is?

[Kathryn Schulz]

Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm always reluctant to give too much credence to stereotypes, but it is incredible the degree to which my father, despite not actually being a professor, was truly an absent minded professor. And I did sometimes feel like, well, you know, what's rattling around in your brain? You know, seven languages that you're fluent in. All of, you know, he spoke English more beautifully than I ever could hope to. And that was his last language, you know, write all of his kind of legal studies. He was a lawyer, the entire works of, you know, the Western canon, basically. And I thought maybe there's just not room to remember where your other shoe is. It could happen.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Your dad's story is really incredible. He was born in Tel Aviv then you write in the book. And I had to reread this a couple times because I wanted to make sure I was getting it right. You write, in one of the more unlikely trajectories in the history of modern Judaism, they left what was about to be the state of Israel and moved to. Wait for it. Holt Center, Germany.

[Kathryn Schulz]

I mean, for history buffs out there, In February of 1948.

[Luke Burbank]

I had no idea that that was, however microscopic, that that was a migration that was happening.

[Kathryn Schulz]

It's quite unusual. I mean, there were certainly still Jews in Germany, you know, some who had survived. And then, as it turns out, there were quite a lot of refugee camps in Germany. So some people went just to try to reunite with families there. But no, no, not my family. They weren't trying to reunite. My grandfather was frankly trying to make a buck, which in fairness, they were desperately poor and he had three children by then and wanted to feed them. And he had heard, as it turns out correctly, that it was possible to make a pretty decent living on the black market in post war Germany. So some of my father's earliest memories are like, of being in his dad's sidecar on his motorcycle, basically like being a decoy. He was sitting there, this very cute little round cheeked, adorable boy on top of a stack of American cigarettes and cameras. That's what brought them to Germany.

[Luke Burbank]

One of the things that comes through in this book is your dad's incredibly kind of ebullient personality and how he just kind of lit up every room he was in. And considering the trauma of his childhood, have you sort of Tried to figure out how it is that he, as a person, was able to, you know, push past that or push it far enough into the rear view mirror that he could live, you know, the life that you saw him living.

[Kathryn Schulz]

I certainly have thought about it a lot, and in some ways, I think it's actually kind of the. It's very close to the heart of this book in the sense that I think actually a lot of this book, although it is about losing and about finding and love and grief, is actually about how you kind of take the side of joy, even in the face of pain and suffering. And the thing I admired about my dad, it's not like he just was sort of glib and a Pollyanna optimist. He just. He somehow managed to have this, as you say, a buoyant, joyful spirit while still looking squarely in the face, face the various woes of the world. How he was like that is a real mystery. I mean, that's kind of the mystery, right? Like, why are we the way we are? Why are some people able to find joy in those moments? And I write toward that, but if I had an answer, they'd be paying me more money to be in a much larger auditorium.

[Luke Burbank]

Listen, next year we're getting over to the real. The biggie. I promise. That's our goal. We're talking to Kathryn Schultz about her book Lost and Found. The Found part of this book is you finding your now wife. A couple things about that. One, you describe your first date with her, that some mutual friends had set you up and she was passing through where you were living in, I think, the Hudson Valley. And you go out and you have this spectacular afternoon together, and you're completely bewitched. And then at the end, you say that you were surprised that she wanted to go on another date because you didn't realize or know if she was gay. What did you think was going on on this date?

[Kathryn Schulz]

I'm really impressed. You're the first person to ask me that question. I know. What was I thinking, right? Like, weird, rare, crucial failure of my gaydar. What did I think was going on? I think maybe there was not sufficient introspection on my part in that moment. I mean, I knew what was happening in my head, which was like, this woman is unbelievably brilliant and incredibly interesting and also strikingly beautiful. And, gosh, that shirt looks nice on her and what pretty long fingers. So it's not that I wasn't having a series of thoughts, but I don't know. I mean, it's so funny since you've already blown my cover as the author of the earthquake piece. The truth is, I was on deadline for that piece during that lunch. No, the true fact revealed live for.

[Luke Burbank]

The first time is Livewire. Okay, now famous in the Northwest preview.

[Kathryn Schulz]

You were on a deadline for that.

[Luke Burbank]

Piece when you met travel writing.

[Kathryn Schulz]

So in my mind, when I went off to that lunch, you know, I didn't know her from Adam. And it wasn't helped to be a setup, actually.

[Luke Burbank]

It was just thousands of American friends.

[Kathryn Schulz]

I'll be nice. When I set off for that lunch.

[Luke Burbank]

I was like, show and his travel.

[Kathryn Schulz]

45 minutes tops.

[Luke Burbank]

His new book.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Yes, I gotta eat something. Fine, I'll meet the stranger. And then of course, his new book.

[Luke Burbank]

On the so called hippie trail back when he was just. There are two seismic stories unfolding in your life at that time. Can I get a shrimp shot? No. Okay. I don't deserve one for that. We're also going to hear some of Rick's never have I ever travel anecdote. Your wife. And believe me, is like, it gives like Neruda a run for his money. Like, it is really just one of the most beautiful descriptions of two people falling in love and how much a person can love another person and the reasons why they can love that person. I mean, it's just really gorgeous. I'm curious, though, what it was like for you to write that about the person you are currently in a relationship with and for her to read it later. Because this is a, you know, a hit book and it's very personal, the stuff you're talking about. And, like, had you told her all of that stuff before you wrote it? Like, I like this about you. And that one time I saw you in the sunlight doing this, like, was. What was her. What was the impact on her of reading this?

[Kathryn Schulz]

Well, you know, I must say, she is a very patient person. You know, the truth is, there was no indication when we met or frankly, when we married that I was gonna go off and write a memoir. It's not really my thing. I give you, you know, seismology. That's kind of my thing. But. But then I went and wrote it, and for me, it was completely delightful to tell you that.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey there, it's Luke. Did you know that Livewire is also.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Available as a podcast?

[Luke Burbank]

Of course it is. Everything's a podcast now.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Whatever.

[Luke Burbank]

And our podcast features the same engaging conversations, live music, original comedy, and all the stuff that you love about the Livewire radio show. But now you can listen when you Want to go over to livewireradio.org she.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Edited me the way she always edited me, which is to say like that's going on too long. But she never once said could you please just not.

[Luke Burbank]

Would you ever have like a not great day maybe, you know, a disagreement about something and you'd be thinking I got to rewrite some of this stuff. Hey it's Luke. As part of our Livewire speakeasy series.

[Kathryn Schulz]

I haven't had any second thoughts about the working space. I hope never on July.

[Luke Burbank]

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[Kathryn Schulz]

You know, the truth is part of why I shouted out my wife's patience is she actually is a.

[Luke Burbank]

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[Kathryn Schulz]

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[Luke Burbank]

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[Kathryn Schulz]

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[Luke Burbank]

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[Kathryn Schulz]

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[Luke Burbank]

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[Kathryn Schulz]

You can have this much of her and it's true this incredible celebration is.

[Luke Burbank]

Made possible by sponsors Women's foundation of Oregon and the best part is 5% of all tickets. Tickets are on sale right [e-mail] get ready to party. Seems like a big theme of this sports bra that the loss that we feel like people lose people from them, you know and that that's the kind of essential tension of life is that feeling like you can really only feel the loss of somebody who you found and who made the impact that you know, your father made in your life. Where do you sort of land on that towards the end of the book? What are you hoping to kind of say about that?

[Kathryn Schulz]

I suppose that it's worth it. You know, I think that we cannot ward off all loss. Some of them are just baked into the terms of our existence and frankly the hardest ones are baked into the terms of our existence. I hate to break it to you here on this lovely and actually mostly comic and lighthearted night. But you guys are, you're going to lose it all. You're going to lose your loved ones, your, you know, you yourselves are going to die. And I guess for me, I do feel that there's something useful about that knowledge, which is that the fact that we're going to lose everything does, I think, remind us of how precious it is and remind us to cherish it while we have it and to tend to it and pay attention to it. You know, these are all actually very cliched lessons, but somehow they're impossible to retain. So I became the 450 billionth writer to try to write about them, but.

[Luke Burbank]

In a really incredible way. I can't recommend it highly enough. It's Lost and Found. Kathryn Schulz, everyone. That was Kathryn Schulz right here on livewire. We recorded that at the Holt center for the Performing Arts in Eugene, Oregon. Kathryn's latest book, lost and Found, is available now. Livewire is brought to you by Powell's Books, a Portland institution since 1960. Powell's offers a selection of new and used books in stores and [e-mail] hey, special thanks this episode to Judy Clark of Portland, Oregon, and Tim Frederickson, checking in from the Inland Empire of Spokane, Washington. Judy and Tim are part of the Livewire member community and are generously supporting program with a donation each month, which we are very thankful for because it is genuinely how we are able to keep Livewire going. So a big thanks to Tim and Judy for supporting the program. This is livewire. Of course, each week we ask our listeners a question based on Kathryn Schultz's book Lost and Found. We asked the listeners to what is the coolest thing you've ever found? Elena has been collecting up those responses. What are you seeing?

[Keenan Lowe]

I love this one from Tina. Tina says, when I was at the thrift store, I found a sweater that I had given away years ago. It wasn't a common sweater at the time and it had a hole in the exact spot my old sweater did. I gave the sweater away in Wisconsin, but found it at a thrift store in Chicago, which, I mean, they're not too far away from each other, depending on where in Wisconsin you're talking about. So I think that's plausible. That's amazing.

[Luke Burbank]

Wow. Now, does the listener mention if they then bought the sweater?

[John Craigie]

No.

[Keenan Lowe]

Oh, wait.

[Luke Burbank]

Did it boomerang back into their life? Or do they just kind of wave at it right in the secondhand store like, hello, fellow traveler, good to see you again. We'll check in about 15 years. What's something else cool that somebody found?

[Keenan Lowe]

I like this one from Eric. My great aunt ran off with the tall man in the circus. And among my family's mementos, I found a charm bracelet that he gave her from the World's Fair.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, my gosh. Like the tall man meaning the guy.

[Keenan Lowe]

On the stilts, I'm assuming. Yeah. You know, the thing that it makes me think about is no one ever just, you know, walks at a regular pace with someone from the circus. One always must run off.

[Luke Burbank]

Absolutely. It's the only speed that you can join the circus at. Nobody strolls off with the circus or saunters off with the circus.

[Keenan Lowe]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

What's something else cool that one of.

[Keenan Lowe]

Our listeners found short and sweet from Angela. Angela found, quote, 20 bucks at a park at night when I was really broke.

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, yeah, that'll get you out of a couple of jams. And also, that feels like the kind of thing where 20 bucks is an amount of money that I think you can keep and not be too worried.

[Keenan Lowe]

Right.

[Luke Burbank]

That it's been totally and completely devastating to someone. Like, you find a bag full of money or if you find an envelope.

[Keenan Lowe]

Yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

It's got, you know, maybe it says Bailey Savings and Loan on it. It's got a bunch of Christmas time.

[Keenan Lowe]

Scrooge McDuck dollar signs.

[Luke Burbank]

All right, one more cool thing that one of our listeners found before we move on.

[Keenan Lowe]

Oh, this is. This is great. From Heather. Heather says, my girls and I were out dog walking and we came across two bikes that were exactly their sizes and they were practically new, and they were leaning against a tree with a free sign on them. We've been on the hunt for used bikes because they'd both outgrown theirs.

[Luke Burbank]

That is serendipity. I'm so glad, by the way, that we got the detail about a sign that said free, because otherwise, Heather is just describing theft.

[Keenan Lowe]

Bike theft, larceny.

[Luke Burbank]

We found these two bikes that were perfect. They were just in someone's garage, but the door was open and we wheeled them right out of there. Hey, thanks to everyone who sent in a response to our question. We got a question for next week's show, which we will reveal in just a few minutes. In the meantime, just a reminder, this is Livewire Radio. We've got a very interesting interview that we want to play next. It's with Keenan Lowe. Now, Kenan Lowe's story is that he was a big college football star at the University of Oregon, and he eventually ended up coaching In Oregon at Parkrose High in Portland, coaching the football team when something very intense and very dangerous happened. It was May 17, 2019. Keenan writes about this in his book. It's called Hometown Victory. And before we get started, just to note that this conversation does mention suicidal ideation and also gun violence. So please listen with care. This is Keenan Low, recorded in front of a live audience at the Alberta Rose Theater in Portland, Oregon. Hello, Keenan.

[John Craigie]

Hello.

[Luke Burbank]

Welcome to the show. Now, you are a star athlete, so you probably did a lot of interviews, but what is it like doing, like, book interviews versus I caught a touchdown in the Orange bowl interviews?

[John Craigie]

Yeah. Usually when you do an athletic interview, it's about the game that just got played, and no game is the same. But at this point, I've done the same interview about 18 times in the last two days.

[Luke Burbank]

Do you want to put some pads and eye black on just so it gets you back in that comfortable space?

[John Craigie]

Those days are gone, man. Those days are gone for me. So I'm excited to be an author now.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Well, congratulations. The book is a really good read, and the book is a great read. And, of course, the crux of it is this incident that happened at Parkrose, which we'll talk about. But really, the book also goes through your life and experiences and, well, for instance, the thing that brought you from working for the San Francisco 49ers, you're, like, on a track to maybe someday be an NFL head coach or something. And then something happened that ultimately led you to come back to the Portland area. What happened?

[John Craigie]

Yeah, I was on a good path, fresh out of college. I got a job in the NFL, worked for the Philadelphia Eagles, and then worked for the San Francisco 49ers. So I was fresh out of college, on a nice career path. And then I get a call from home, and it's one of my friends, and he tells me our best friend, Taylor Martinick passed away of a opioid overdose, and fentanyl ended up taking his life. So in that process, life happened fast, you know, and I came home to mourn and be with my friends and family. And then when I was home, everything started to make a little bit more sense. Being around the people I loved, the career and the money. And that path that I was on didn't really matter so much because I just lost my best friend. So I came home and I decided I was going to move home to continue to search for whatever I was missing for. And in that process, I found a school that was on a 0:23 game, losing streak that hadn't won a game in three years at Park Rose High School. A bunch of tough kids in a tough part of town. And, you know, they were a school, a team without a coach, and I was a coach without a team. So it kind of. It kind of worked out that way. And I was blessed to find them and, you know, make an impact there.

[Luke Burbank]

How do you turn a team around that has lost that many games in a row where a lot of the kids hadn't played football before, and then you ultimately, like, in two seasons, right, got them to their first ever playoff win at the state level. How do you actually get these kids to perform? And don't say give it 110% because that. Save that for the sports interview.

[John Craigie]

That is a good recipe, though, for success.

[Luke Burbank]

No, but I mean, I just don't understand how you teach kids, how you coach kids up and get them, like running, catching, throwing, that much better in two seasons. How did you do that?

[John Craigie]

I think it comes down to trust and just me being the adult in the situation, the coach and the mentor to those young men in that program. And, you know, I showed them that I was willing to commit to them and fight their fights with them, that I was willing to show up day in and day out with them before I ever asked anything of them. And then once I started to show them that I was there for them and willing to fight with them, they decided to trust me. And once they started trusting me and I started sharing some of my story of why I came back home, stories about my friends and stories about me playing football and those things, you know, that trust continued to build. And once you have trust, especially with a young person, once you have trust with them, then they'll do anything for you. They'll run through a wall for you. And as a coach, I tried to commit as much as I could to them, and they returned that favorite.

[Luke Burbank]

Now, you were the football coach, you were also the track coach, and then you were one of the security guards at Parkrose, which you write in the book was to some degree, just because you liked being kind of at ground level with a lot of those students, seeing them in the halls, both your players, and just other students at the school. I'm curious, what is a regular day like as a security guard at a public high school? Like, what are the calls you get called out on?

[John Craigie]

Typically, every day was different. I'll say that some of the calls were calls to break up fights and escort kids to A and B places. It was a job that was a Very thankless job. But. But once I started to really do it and once I started to live it and be with those kids day in and day out from 7am to 4pm you know, I really started to see what they go through on a daily basis. And I really started to see the struggle some of those kids were really fighting every single day.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, and that obviously became extremely relevant on this day in May. Back in 2019, they asked that you would go to a classroom and escort a kid out of the classroom. Did you know why you were going to be taking this kid somewhere else?

[John Craigie]

No, unfortunately, I didn't know. But like I said, that was just kind of the job. It was security. Can you please go do this job for us real quick and bring the student here? And that was pretty much all I knew. So it was pretty surreal when I.

[Luke Burbank]

Got there, because you get to the class and he's actually not in the classroom, this particular student. And you're asking around, is this guy here? And they say no. And then you turn around and he comes into the classroom and basically pulls a shotgun out. What goes through your mind?

[John Craigie]

Yeah, I'm in the classroom for about probably 30 seconds asking where the kid is. And 30 seconds later, I'm probably four feet from the door, just on the inside of it. And that door opens up, and there's a young man with a big coat, and he pulls out a shotgun right in the doorway, probably about 4 or 5ft away from me. So it was like a movie. Everything seemed to go slow motion. And I was able to think very clearly for whatever reason, and I was able to analyze it really quick and see the look in his eyes first and foremost. And I could tell it was a young man that needed help. A young man going through a mental health crisis. And, you know, kids are obviously screaming. And it was a really scary situation. But for whatever reason, my instincts told me to stay calm. My instincts told me to go lunge for the gun. And once I grabbed the gun, we kind of wrestled around the classroom and spilled into the hallway. And that's kind of where that viral video starts there, where I'm able to take the gun from him and hand it off to a teacher. And then ultimately I decided to give him a hug.

[Luke Burbank]

When you were. When you were grappling with that gun, I mean, I think it's important to clarify that this student was attempting to harm themselves and they pointed the gun at themselves. And something I didn't realize until I read this book that was remarkable was they pulled the trigger and it clicked.

[John Craigie]

Yeah. It was a scary situation.

[Luke Burbank]

Like, what are the chances of that shotgun jamming in that particular way?

[John Craigie]

Yeah. One in a million. You know, there was some divine intervention, I would like to think. Yeah. And when you look at just the whole story in itself and even just my whole journey, I. You know, what are the chances I'm in that exact spot at that exact moment for that kid going through a mental health crisis that decided to do that on that exact day. And then the only reason I ultimately how I ended up at that school is because I lost my best friend. You know, so I lost. In losing my best friend and him losing his life. I ended up saving a young man's life inside of school by following my heart. So it was really special, and it was really exciting to put that into words.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah.

[Keenan Lowe]

I heard this story, you know, three years ago, and I was so excited when I learned that you had written a book. And it just makes me so curious, having told the story on TV and for people and for reporters for so many years, how did you feel about the opportunity to put it into words and how did you approach it? Because it must be so codified by the time you get this book opportunity?

[John Craigie]

Yeah, it was really cool to figure out that structure and be creative in that way. And, you know, that moment. A lot of people have seen that, and I've gotten thousands of messages through the last few years saying thank you and whatnot, because they've seen that video. But I like to think that there's a whole bunch more that led up to that video, you know, and that was exciting to be able to put that into words, you know, whether it was stuff I've learned when I was a kid growing up with an awesome single mother who's here tonight.

[Luke Burbank]

Hey, shout out.

[John Craigie]

And learning from awesome coaches that I played for and got to coach under in the NFL, and then the experiences I had with my best friend and. And, you know, I've just been through so much in life. You know, I had kids that were. That were homeless, that I coached at Park Rose. I had kids that had anger issues, that went to. Went to bed hungry at that school. And so my story and the story of what happened in that hallway is just so much more that led up to that moment where all that led up to my instincts telling me to just take care of this young man, hug this young man and tell him that you care about him. And you know what? When you tell someone you care about them, you don't know how far that can go for that person, whether you know them or not.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah, totally. What is it like for you to have this probably be maybe the defining kind of moment of your life because you've been talking about how this was a journey for you of becoming Keenan Low, who could be in that moment present enough to do this thing. But that isn't your whole life. This was two minutes of your life. That is now the thing that a lot of people know you for. What's that like for you to have a quick moment, be what you are known for?

[John Craigie]

Yeah, it's pretty cool. But before that, I was known for being a good football player at Jesuit High School. And then I was known for being a good football player at the University of Oregon. Then I was known for being a young coach. And then, you know, so, so, so it just changes, you know, this journey of life is, you know, you only got one of them, you know. And for my life, I've decided to do good things for. For people that whether I know them or not, I'm gonna continue to treat people kindly. And I figured out in my life, the nicer I am to people and the more kind I am to people, all of a sudden, people are really nice to me, too, and it feels good. So it's a pretty simple recipe that, you know, I think everyone can solve that, you know.

[Luke Burbank]

Yeah. Well, it's been a real honor getting to talk to you, Kenan. Thanks again for all you've done. Keenan Lowe, everyone, right here on Livewire. That was Keenan Low recorded in front of a live crowd at the Alberta Rose Theater in Portland, Oregon. Keenan's book, hometown A Coach's Story of Football Fate and Coming Home, is available now. I'm Luke Burbank here with Elena Passarello. We've got to take a quick break, but don't go anywhere. When we come back, we're going to hear a chat and also hear some music from musician John Craigie, and we'll find out what bad word he is allowed to say on public radio. I don't know what that is. I guess we're all going to find out together in a minute here on Livewire. Welcome back to Livewire from prx. I'm Luke Burbank here with Elena Passarello, excited to play a round of station location identification with you this week. Although this one is a little bit, let's just say boutique. I want to manage everyone's expectation of this, including yours.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Okay? Okay.

[Luke Burbank]

You take this very seriously. Of course. This is where I quiz Elena about a place that Livewire is on the radio. She's got to guess where I am talking about. I mean, your success rate with this is incredible. Again, this one is, is a beautiful but maybe slightly out of the way place where we're on the radio.

[Keenan Lowe]

That's a hint in itself.

[Luke Burbank]

Well, it was home to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist William Allen White. His house was called Red Rocks and it's a historical landmark there. People who visited that house include Theodore Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover and Calvin Coolidge.

[Kathryn Schulz]

Hmm.

[Luke Burbank]

How about this? This city is home of the National Teachers hall of Fame, a museum dedicated to honoring exceptional career teachers and the heritage of the teaching profession.

[Keenan Lowe]

Is it Des Moines, Iowa?

[Luke Burbank]

Oh, you are in the right part of the world. Maybe head more to Jayhawk territory.

[Keenan Lowe]

Oh, is it Topeka, Kansas?

[Luke Burbank]

It is in Kansas and it's a town which their name has always made me think that they must sell a lot of stuff. Like it sounds like a store Walmart, Kansas, Emporia, Kansas, where we are broadcasting on K A N H, Kansas Public Radio there in Emporia, Kansas. Sometimes checking your email, let's be honest, can be a little stressful. But we want to change that over here at livewire. We want to make checking your email more joyful with our weekly newsletter, which is only good news. That's all we do over here at the Livewire newsletter. We got sneak peeks and deep dives on upcoming events, details on where you can join us live, new episode drops, and even more than that, getting this drop of joy. It's super easy, too. You head over to livewireradio.org and you click keep in touch. It takes like 30 seconds, 25 if you're speedy. So help us help you have a little more fun in your inbox with the latest from the Livewire newsletter. This is livewire. All right, before we get to our musical guest, a little preview of next week's show. Writer Gabe Henry will swing by to talk about the strange history of something called simplified spelling, which he writes about in his new book, Enough is Enough. E N U F our failed attempts to make English easier to spell. Then we're gonna get a reading from William Nuteupu Giles. He's a Samoan writer and poet from Honolulu who joined us for a special Livewire event in Seattle at the Hotel Crocodile. Plus, we're gonna have some music from Texas soul funk ensemble Sir Woman. So make sure you tune in for next week's show. All right? Our musical guest this week has been called the love child of John Prine and Mitch Hedberg. Those are two quality individuals he's played with Jack Johnson. He's gotten fan mail from Chuck Norris. He describes his style as humorous stories mixed with serious folk. His latest studio album, Mermaid Salt, which is really good. Really enjoyed this record. It's out now. Take a listen to this. It's some chatting and some music from John Craigie, recorded in front of a live audience at the Alberta Rose Theater in Portland, Oregon. Hi, John. Welcome back to Livewire.

[John Craigie]

Thank you. It's good to be here.

[Luke Burbank]

I love this new album. It is just a really great listen. And it struck me that you really are a really talented musician, and I think there could be a potential for a little bit of that to be lost because you're also a really funny storyteller. Very folksy, but it's not like you're a guy telling a story and you just kind of are, like, dinking around on the guitar. Like there's a real musicality to what you do. Do you feel like every once in a while you want to reaffirm that with folks?

[John Craigie]

I think that just is coming slower, you know, I think as a kid, I was the funny guy. So people who knew me as a kid, they'll come to the show and they're like, hey, not bad on the music. You know.

[Luke Burbank]

You didn't even have to look at the guitar when you were playing it. You just know all those chords.

[John Craigie]

That's been a slower grow for me. You know, I think with. I'm still learning a lot with music, so I like those kind of compliments because I feel that way with each album. I feel like I learned a new chord or something. And.

[Luke Burbank]

So you're going back out on tour and you're going to play the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville with Mary Chapin Carpenter. Holy. That's pretty cool, right? Is that, like, on your list of places that, you know, you might dream to play someday?

[John Craigie]

Yeah, I think it's the only thing on the. I don't. That's not a list I keep. You know, my goals are usually more, like, more obscure, but I think if I had a venue dream list, it would just be that one. So I'm excited to. I got to pick a new one now.

[Luke Burbank]

You know, after that, what song are we going to hear?

[John Craigie]

I want to do this song. It's called Laura youe Old Mia J. Thank you. I got an email this morning from my manager, Phil, and he said Livewire had some thoughts on the song you were going to play. And I said, oh, cool. And he said, they're worried about the lyrics. Then he sent me the quote, and the quote was, hey, Phil, the drug stuff is great. That made me happy. But he says a few bad words in the song. So could he not? And I said, no problem. I know how radio is. I've done this before. Not just this, but other things. Sometimes they catch me off guard, which is hard sometimes. One time I was at this show, I was about to get on stage, and the guy was like, john, listen, this is gonna be broadcast on the radio, so could you not say any bad words? And I was like, oh, man, I wanted to. And he said, which ones? And I said, most of. So he thought for a second, and he was like, you know what? I'll give you ass. And I was like, excuse me? He said the word, I'll give it to you. Because he said, ass is in the Bible. I said, I don't think I use it in the biblical way. He said, but you want more than ass, right? And I said, yeah. So he said, well, here's what we could do. He's like, do you have, like, a song where all your bad words are in one song? Because you could play that first, and then we'll just start recording afterwards. And I was like, no. I feel like that would be way more disturbing.

[H]

Right?

[John Craigie]

Like, if you came to my show. My first song was just blankety blank, blank, blank, blank. And then I never cussed again. All right, cool. Let's do this song. Now, this is because I love. I respect radio. I love Livewire. We're doing the Livewire version. So here we go.

[Luke Burbank]

John Craigie here on Livewire.

[H]

I got my wings clipped I got my trump check Supposed to last me through the apocalypse I spent it all on some left it as you to.

[John Craigie]

Him in my pens all year.

[H]

I don't give a about the burning bush, Noah's ark or two of every animal Is this the new flood? Is this the new plague? Is this the rap show? Just the first wave. My lungs are clean. At least today I feel my lawyer owed me a J. I can't sleep with Emma anymore. She got too many chickens in her backyard. Took the urban farming thing a little too far. They wake me up each and every hour. She'll kiss her house made it's more convenient. What with the lockdown, what with the COVID It's too much drama for me to play. I stay at home. Laurie, roll me a J. Yeah. Went to the protest, it got crazy. You lost your mates running away your friends got paranoid come join my scene make love for two weeks we say it's quarantined don't come with sugar if you won't taste it this summer he has got us sweating opiates we watch the sunset from our cage From Rosie to Laurie rolled us to J.

[John Craigie]

This.

[H]

Girl named Cedar I had to get away she was fine as hell but she was too new age she do that Wim Hof don't take no hot showers But I'm a bad boy I need them hot showers she got a Christmas stole for every disease Secure the COVID she said it's 5G won't get the vaccine cause of the tracking chip hell they can track me I ain't do Track me on my couch track me in my bed track me texting you track me left on red Track me in my yard Puffing my life away gone like smoke lorry rolled me a J yeah yeah yeah.

[Luke Burbank]

I got.

[H]

My wings clipped I got my Trump check supposed to last me through the.

[John Craigie]

Apocalypse.

[Luke Burbank]

That was John Craigie right here on Livewire. His latest album, Mermaid Salt, is available now. That's going to do it for this week's episode of Livewire. A huge thanks to our guests Kathryn Schultz, Keenan Lowe and John Craigie. Livewire is brought to you in part by Alaska Airlines. This episode is dedicated to the memory of our former Livewire performer and our friend Andrew Harris.

[Keenan Lowe]

Laura Hadden is our executive producer. Heather D. Michel is our executive director. Our producer and editor is Melanie Savchenko. Our assistant editor is Trey Hester. Our marketing manager is Paige Thomas. Our production fellow is Tanvi Kumar, and Yasmin Medyan is our intern. Our house band is Ethan Fox, Tucker, Sam Tucker, Eyal Alves, and Awaker Spring, who also composes our music. Molly Pettit is our technical director and.

[Elena Passarello]

Mixer, and our house sound is by D. Neal Blake.

[Luke Burbank]

Additional funding provided by the Oregon Arts Commission, a state agency funded by the State of Oregon and the National Endowment for the Arts. Livewire was created by Robin Tenenbaum and Kate Sokolo. This week we'd like to thank members Judy Clark of Portland, Oregon, and Tim Frederickson of Spokane, Washington. For more information about the show or how you can listen to our podcast, head on over to livewireradio.org I'm Luke Burbank for Elena Passarello and the whole Livewire crew. Thank you for listening and we will see you next week. Wouldn't it be amazing to have a piping hot episode of Livewire delivered right to your heart and ears each week? Well, guess what? That can happen when you subscribe to the Livewire podcast feed, and you'll get the joy of surprising conversation every week. So go ahead and do it. It's super easy. You click on the button at the top of your podcast app and bam, you are Livewire subscribed. And if you're still, you know, feeling the love, if you're enjoying the show, hey, maybe you could hook us up and leave us a quick review that'll help more people find out about Livewire. And thank you.

[Keenan Lowe]

From prx.