Rick Steves and The Lullaby Project (REBROADCAST)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Live Wire with Luke Burbank

Episode: Rick Steves and The Lullaby Project (REBROADCAST)

Air Date: May 8, 2026
Host: Luke Burbank
Guests: Rick Steves, Stephanie Schneiderman (The Lullaby Project), Oregon Symphony Musicians

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt and lively episode of Live Wire features beloved travel writer and TV host Rick Steves discussing his latest book about his formative journey on the "Hippie Trail" from Istanbul to Kathmandu in the 1970s. The episode also shines a spotlight on The Lullaby Project, a collaboration between the Oregon Symphony and parents facing significant life challenges, including incarceration and homelessness, to create lullabies for their children. Both segments explore the power of travel, music, and human connection to inspire and heal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Best News We Heard All Week (05:03–10:43)

Hosts: Luke Burbank & Elena Passarello
A lighthearted segment where Luke and Elena share uplifting news stories:

• University of Maryland Commencement Speaker: Kermit the Frog is announced as their 2025 commencement speaker, honoring Jim Henson, an alumnus.

  • Quote:

    "Kermit the Mother Truckin Frog is delivering the commencement address at the University of Maryland." –Elena (06:05)

• Kawara, Japan—Middle-Aged Trading Card Craze:
  In Kawara, children collect trading cards featuring local middle-aged and elderly men, such as a retired fire brigade chief and a soba master, fostering intergenerational bonding.

  • Quote:

    "This is a set of 47 playing cards of guys who are middle age and elderly in the town of Kawara." –Luke (08:34)

  • Insight: Participation in community activities by local youth more than doubled due to the craze.

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2. Rick Steves Interview (12:03–35:47)

Early Inspiration & "Hippie Trail" Book

• Rick’s Background:
  Started as a piano teacher before embarking on the legendary Istanbul-to-Kathmandu journey at age 23, which sparked his love for immersive travel.

• Documenting the Experience:

  • Rick meticulously wrote a 60,000-word journal of the trip, rediscovered and reread during the COVID pandemic.
  • Quote:

    "Reading that journal was like an anthropological dig into a 23-year-old version of myself that I had mostly forgotten about." –Rick (14:04)

The Travel Experience: Then vs. Now

• Challenges of 1970s Travel:

  • Limited information, no internet, reliance on traveler’s checks, lack of safety nets.
  • Memorable Moment:

    "When I headed east from Istanbul... there’s not a soul between here and Seattle that even knows I exist." –Rick (15:26)

  • Perseverance led to transformative experiences, especially reaching Afghanistan and India.

• Film Photography:

  • Rick describes rationing film to ten photos a day, waiting until returning home to see the results, and the joy or heartbreak that followed (18:28).

Modern Travel, Technology & Mindfulness

• Phone Etiquette & Mindful Traveling:

  • Rick encourages travelers to limit phone use, cherish magic moments, and truly be present.
  • Quote:

    "We have to, as travelers, be in the moment more. And that means no screen." –Rick (20:52)

• Being an American Abroad:

  • Despite global tensions, Rick finds locals abroad differentiate between American citizens and American politics.
  • Quote:

    "They’re not mad at us. They may be mad at our government. That’s happened before. It comes and goes, you know, but it’s great when we travel because they get to better understand us and we get to better understand them." –Rick (22:19)

• On Fear, Growth, and Culture Shock:

  • Embracing travel means overcoming fears and embracing culture shock for personal growth.
  • Quote:

    "Fear is for people who don’t get out very much. And the flip side of fear is understanding. And we gain understanding when we travel." –Rick (23:30)

Personal Health and Perspective

• Cancer Diagnosis & Recovery:
  • Rick shares about his prostate cancer diagnosis and being cancer-free, reflecting on how health challenges bring new appreciation for travel and life.
  • Quote:

    "It was a very powerful personal and emotional and spiritual experience to go through that… and I am cancer free." (25:54)

  • Experiences like cancer “make things twinkle”—they bring clarity and appreciation for life’s beauty (26:28).

“Never Have I Ever” Travel Tales (29:55–35:41)

A fun segment where Rick confesses to classic traveler “blunders,” including:

• Bargaining and buying souvenirs only in early trips; now cherishes memories and photos.
• Peeing in a bottle while crossing Iran (31:28).
• Pretending not to understand a language to avoid ticket issues (32:46).
• Occasionally taking advantage of public transit as a “cheap student” (33:28).
• Hiding in a McDonald’s while advising his tour group not to eat there (35:03).

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3. Audience Stories – Unexpected Travel Moments (36:43–39:24)

Prompt: Listeners share their most unexpected travel experiences.

• Anonymous: Buying sugar in Mexico, panicking when the federales boarded the bus:

  "I just kind of freaked out and said, I’m American and it’s sugar." (37:03)

• Dan: Surviving a four-hour Czech bus ride needing a bathroom; “Czech Republic moment” becomes family shorthand for similar emergencies.
• Matty: Encountering a “person of the evening” at the Louvre’s hedge maze in France.

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4. The Lullaby Project – Music & Human Connection (40:08–52:33)

Interview with Stephanie Schneiderman (Lullaby Project) (40:08–44:37)

• About the Project:

  • Collaboration between Oregon Symphony and parents in challenging circumstances (homelessness, incarceration) to write original lullabies for their children.
  • Empowerment and self-expression for parents, strengthening the parent/child bond.
  • Quote:

    "Music is the most natural way to bond with your kid… One of the first things we do is they get to make every choice along the way." –Stephanie (41:18)

  • Songs often become emotional family heirlooms and make both parents and children feel seen and valued.

• Memorable Lyric Example:

  • "His breath is my breath and his smile is my smile. And every tear we cry together."
  • "I want my kids to know their power." (42:36)

Live Performance: "Connected" (48:23–52:33)

• Song: “Connected” – Written with Lacey, an incarcerated mother, performed with the Oregon Symphony.
• Notable Lyrics:

  "Your breath is my breath, your smile is my smile / and every tear we cry together. We’re always connected, we’re always one."
  "I just pray you learn what love is… Mom and Dad will love you till the end of time."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rick Steves on Travel & Fear:

  "Fear is for people who don’t get out very much. The flip side of fear is understanding. And we gain understanding when we travel." (23:30)

• Stephanie Schneiderman on The Lullaby Project:

  "I think it’s like helping a family create a family heirloom." (43:50)

• Luke Burbank on Livewire's Mission:

  "I don’t know if this episode of Livewire is going to change your life, but I can tell you it is going to make your day a little brighter. That much I can guarantee." (00:45)

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Important Timestamps

• Best News Segment: 05:03–10:43
• Rick Steves Interview: 12:03–35:47
  • Origins of "Hippie Trail" Book: 13:34–15:26
  • On Mindful Travel and Phone Use: 20:01–21:14
  • Being American Abroad & Fear: 21:14–23:30
  • Health & Perspective Post-Cancer: 25:07–26:28
  • Never Have I Ever: 29:55–35:41
• Audience Travel Stories: 36:43–39:24
• Lullaby Project Interview: 40:08–44:37
• Lullaby Project Musical Performance: 48:23–52:33

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Conclusion

This episode masterfully balances humor and depth, offering inspiration through Rick Steves’ stories of transformative travel and the profound family connections fostered by The Lullaby Project. It highlights the enduring value of stepping outside our comfort zones, embracing vulnerability, and harnessing creativity to connect across generations and cultures.

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Transcript

[A]

Hey there. Welcome to Livewire. I'm your host, Luke Burbank. This week on the show, travel icon Rick Steves talks about his latest book on the Hippie Trail, which details the trip that he took when he was a part time piano teacher. That really cemented his love of travel. We're also gonna find out where in the world he hasn't been, which honestly is a pretty short list of places. Then we're gonna hear some music from the Lullaby Project and Stephanie Schneiderman. Along with members of the Oregon Symphony, they've got a piece of music written in collabor with an incarcerated mother dedicated to her daughter. It is really beautiful, you know. This week on the show we are going to be talking to our guests about some pretty life changing experiences. Look, I don't know if this episode of Livewire is going to change your life, but I can tell you it is going to make your day a little brighter. That much I can guarantee. So stick around. We've got Livewire coming your way right after this.

[B]

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o.com this episode of Livewire was originally recorded in July of 2025. We hope you enjoy it. Now let's get to the show.

[D]

From prx. It's Live Wire. This week, travel writer Rick Steves.

[E]

I work with 100 people up in Edmonds, and our mission is to equip and inspire Americans to venture beyond Orlando

[D]

with music from the Lullaby Project.

[F]

They see their parent in a powerful place and then I think it becomes like their anthem.

[D]

And our fabulous house band. I'm your announcer, Elena Passarello. And now the host of Livewire, Luke Burbank.

[B]

We have got a jam packed edition of Livewire for you this week. Regular listeners to the show probably know a couple of things, and that is we do read the news and we do usually have to give ourselves an eye bath after doing that because it's brutal. But also what they know is that we have found that there are at least each week, Elena, two good news stories that happen in the world. Sometimes it's exactly two.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

And we search for those and we bring them to you in a little segment we like to call the Best news we Heard all Week. All right, Elena Passarello, what is the best news you heard all week?

[D]

I worked really hard on this. I felt like you needed me to come up with something real good for you. Burbank.

[B]

I did. I'm having a week.

[D]

Let's start with a question. Did you go to your college graduation?

[B]

No, I did not.

[D]

Okay, so do you know who the commencement speaker was?

[B]

No, but I know the guy from the Tim Allen show, the Tool Time Guy.

[D]

Yeah, the other guy. The guy with the ear.

[A]

The other guy. The other guy.

[B]

I think he might have been the speaker.

[D]

That's good. I like that.

[G]

That's pretty good.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, the University of Maryland does have you beat.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

They have just announced who their 2025 commencement speaker is going to be. And do you know who it is?

[B]

I don't know.

[D]

It is. I'll give you a hint. He's green. And it's not easy being him.

[B]

Kermit the Frog.

[D]

Kermit the Mother Truckin Frog is delivering the commencement address at the University of Maryland, who I believe are the terrapins.

[A]

Sure. Yeah.

[D]

Which is a form of. It's another kind of. No, they're reptiles. Yes, whatever. So the reason for this, other than the fact that everybody wants Kermit the Frog to deliver every address ever, is because Jim Henson graduated from the University of Maryland with a degree in home economics.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

In 1960. And I think his legacy is very deeply felt. Apparently, Kermit the Frog gave a dean's lecture there a couple of years ago.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

So they're just, like, inviting him back.

[B]

They already had the special podium built that you could hide a puppeteer in. They were like, let's get our money's worth.

[D]

The what?

[E]

The what?

[B]

Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, What? Nothing.

[D]

No, I'm just gonna ignore that comment.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And when asked about why he decided to agree, Kermit the Frog, who is a real living frog, said, yes. If a few encouraging words from a frog can help the class of 2025 leap into the world and make it a better place, then I'll be there, like, no. Isn't that great?

[H]

It's.

[B]

Right.

[D]

It's good. Good news, but. So it had me thinking. I think Urban Frog is one of the best Muppets to do this job. But which Muppet would be the worst animal? Animal? I think the worst one would be Beaker.

[B]

Oh, well, let's be honest. They defunded Beaker, like, two weeks ago.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

There's no. He's not even allowed anywhere near the campus anymore for practicing science. The best news that I heard this week, Elena, it was kind of what I needed to hear as a guy who is approaching 50, approaching middle age, or maybe I'm already there. And it involves a town in Japan called Kawara. It's about 10,000 people. And the town of Kawara has this trading card mania that's going on there. All of the kids are obsessed over these trading cards. They're buying them, they're collecting them. They're trading them. They don't feature though like baseball players or Pokemon or anything. They feature real middle aged guys from the town. This is a set of 47 playing cards of guys who are middle age and elderly in the town of Kawara. And the kids are going crazy for these.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

It was started by a woman who runs a community center there. And one of the things in Japan that's been noted is that you have a lot of folks who might be older and you don't have a lot of younger folks. And there's a pretty wide distance between those two groups. And so this woman thought this would be a way to get some of the younger people thinking about some of the more senior folks in the town.

[D]

To collect them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To collect them. Well, yeah. And so she thought, we'll have these cards. This will just be a way for the kids to identify the these different middle and older age people. The kids though, figured out a way to make the cards fight each other like Pokemon. So one of the real guys from this town is a retired fire brigade chief and he can strike opponents for 200 fire damage. There's another guy on there who's a local electrician. He also has the ability to do damage with his electricity.

[D]

Oh, nice.

[B]

The kids are fighting the cards against each other. These guys are becoming celebrities. There's a guy who's named soba master Mr. Takeshita. He's an 81 year old soba noodle maker.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

There's Mr. Fuji, a 67 year old former prison guard turned community volunteer whose card is so sought after, kids are approaching him on the streets to get him to autograph the cards.

[D]

This is so cool.

[B]

It's really heartwarming. I am and I've been through all 47 of these cards. None of them are a middle aged public radio host. Oh, no. Who can defeat the firefighter by staging a public radio pledge drive.

[D]

Yeah, really.

[B]

And putting them to sleep.

[D]

What about like nunchucks, but it's tote bags.

[B]

Something. You know, I feel like this is a good start. They need to integrate in some things from my life into it. But all in all, it's a really cute story. The participation in this community center by youth in this town has more than doubled because of these trading cards.

[D]

So that's fabulous.

[B]

Absolutely. The middle aged and elderly folks in Japan getting their due in this town. That, my friends, is the best news I heard this week. All right, let's get our first guest out here. Since 1973, he's spent a minimum of four months every year, exploring Europe on a mission to learn one thing. How does the metric system work? He's still trying to solve that, but in the meantime, he's also helped hundreds of thousands of people travel to Europe in ways that are fun, affordable, and culturally broadening. Not to mention the millions of viewers to to his public television shows and listeners to his radio show, plus readers of his travel books. The latest of which is the story of his time on the so called hippie trail from Istanbul to Kathmandu in the 1970s, which launched his lifelong love of travel. Please welcome Rick Steves to Livewire. Rick, welcome to Livewire.

[E]

I'm still trying to figure out how tall I am in metric.

[B]

You know, you and I were chatting backstage and you were talking about the kind of celebrity that you enjoy, which is either people have no idea who you are or they are obsessed with you and your work. And I think we have encountered door number two here at Benaroya Hall. Whoa.

[H]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you think it is about your TV show and your writing and all the stuff you do that causes such a fervent response from your fans?

[E]

A lot of times I think people have a great trip and they just want to thank somebody for it. I get thanked for Malta and I've never been there. You know, somebody comes up out of the blue, I've never seen them before, and they go, we had the greatest time in Malta. Thank you so much. So what am I supposed to tell them? I just say, you're welcome.

[B]

I really enjoyed this book of yours on the hippie trail. I was also reading it while traveling. Not in the manner that you do in the book, which is pretty Spartan, but it was just such a fun book to be traveling with and reading and thinking about travel. I'm curious if you could take me back to when you wrote this. Although I guess at the time you didn't realize you were writing a book. You were not a famous TV host. You were a recent college grad piano teacher who was going from. It was Istanbul, the Kathmandu. What. What were you doing on this trip?

[E]

Well, first of all, this is my newest book, but it's also my oldest book. I. I wrote it when I was one third the age I am now. I was 23 and I had been to Europe several times, and I just wanted something more. And I whispered into my friend's ear, go east, young man. You know? And we both got together, me and my travel buddy Gene, headed east from Istanbul to Kathmandu. And that was the. That was the road, the ultimate road trip. Back then in the 60s and 70s, the Beatles were hanging out with the Maharashtri Yogi, you know, and it was just like the ultimate trip. And I wrote this thing for myself. As you said, I was just a piano teacher. I had no idea I was going to be a travel writer. And I diligently wrote a 60,000 word journal filling up an empty book that's just like that. A hardbound 200 page book with beautiful penmanship. I cannot read my writing now, but for some reason then I thought that this.

[B]

You had a graphic designer transcribe your actual, you know, chicken scratch and make it. This is your handwriting.

[E]

That's my handwriting. Yeah. But Luke, that book was when I wrote it. And then, you know, you get home and you get onto other stuff and I basically, I may have read four or five pages of it in 40 years. And then during COVID I got a chance to do some things I didn't have time to normally. And reading that journal was like, it was like an anthropological dig into a 23 year old version of myself that I had mostly forgotten about. And it was so cool to be able to look at that and see it as this coming of age trip as kind of the compost pile of experiences from where I would grow out of as a travel teacher.

[B]

Because it was, you know, a lot of time on buses and a lot of kind of, you know, overnight situations in places that were pretty spartan. Did you have moments on that trip where you thought, maybe I've bitten off more than I can chew, or maybe I'm not really cut out for this sort of life?

[E]

Well, it was a long, long, long road. And when you leave Istanbul heading east in 1978, there's no Internet. You know, you've got some traveler's checks in your money belt, no parents to bail you out. It occurred to me when I headed east from Istanbul, there's not a soul between here and Seattle that even knows I exist. And I didn't know anybody between there and Seattle. And we were going that way and there was no information back then. Now we have too much information almost. But back then it was tough to get information. So, you know, we didn't know where we were going to be tonight or anything like that. We are naive, relatively wealthy American, easy targets for all the con artists along the way. And on the hippie trail, it was said everybody knew there was two kinds of travelers. Those who knew they had worms and those who didn't know they had worms. And we kept going deeper and deeper behind the dark side of the moon, basically. And we kept thinking, in one way it was like a fantasy, and in the other way, it was just miserable. And we thought, it's not too late to turn around and go back to Santorini, where all the kids were having a great time at the youth hostel. And we got farther and farther away, and we kept thinking in four days of hard travel, we could be back in the Greek Isles. But we kept going. And then we finally got to Afghanistan, and we realized this is why we're here. It really got magic. We reached the point of no return, and then we crossed into India. And it was one of the great high five moments of my life just to cross that border and do high five with my buddy. And then we went to the end of the hippie rainbow, Kathmandu. And you got to read the book to know what's happening.

[B]

Legally, we can't even talk about it on public radio. In fact, legally, we have to take a break. This is LIVEWIRE from prx. We're at Benaroya hall in Seattle this week talking to Rick Steves about his book on the hippie trail, Istanbul to Kathmandu, and the making of a travel writer. Quick break, and then we'll be back with much more LIVEWIRE in just a moment. Hey, welcome back to livewire from prx. We. We're in Seattle at the Nordstrom Recital hall at Benaroya, and we're talking to Rick Steves about his latest book on the hippie trail. One of my favorite things about this book are the photographs that you took. I mean, they're just so vivid. And I mean, they just depict these places that many of us maybe will never go to. But also, you had to ration your photographs. Was ten photographs a day. That was the amount of film you could carry?

[E]

Well, it's hard to even conceptualize that now. I mean, younger people don't realize that there was a day when it was an actual physical thing. You have 36 frames in a canister of film, and you're on the road and you've got a dozen canisters, and that's 20% of your luggage. You know, it's a headache to carry that around. And you figure out we got about 10 or 12 shots a day, and if you're overshooting it, you're going to run out. So you have to be careful. And then you don't know if it's going to turn out until you get home. So you bring it home and you send it down. There's only one address I remember in my whole world from the 1970s. And that was Page Mill Road, Palo Alto, where we sent our Kodak film, you know, and then, you know, it came back, and either it was a celebration or a sad day because all of your memories are dark, or in this case, they turned out just great. But, yeah, that was the last year you could do the hippie trail, because the next year, the shah was overthrown and Khomeini came in and turned Iran into a theocracy. And the next year, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and turned that into war zone. And I happened to have this weird condition where I wrote everything down in this journal so diligently, and I happened to have filmed it. And I'm no great photographer, but I put a lot of effort into it. I had a wonderful Pentax K1000. And the photos are just beautiful. And then to put it all together, discovered it during COVID when I had some time to read it, and it just. It made sense to write the book. It's quite a surprise because I didn't even know it was part of me, and now it is.

[B]

What about the sort of current state of photography while traveling? Because you do so much traveling and you're in so many places where there's got to be throngs of people with their camera phones and things like, how does that impact? And is there an etiquette piece of that that you would like to encourage people around just phone usage as a camera?

[E]

Well, any travel teacher, any tour guide, anybody that really cares about being in the moment in their travels understands what a problem it is for all of us to be so focused on our screens and everything can translate, it can measure, it can identify, it can photograph, it can tell you your altitude, everything. And as a tour guide, I really find that this is a problem for people trying to have those magic moments. That's what we have when we're on the road is magic moments. And what I do as a tour guide, for example, recently I was in Portugal with a group.

[B]

Slap the phone out of their hand.

[E]

No. But if everybody's. You got a great musical entertainment for your dinner, and everybody's crawling over everybody, just taking photographs, and I just say, wait a minute, we're going to all take photographs on one song, and then you're going to put your cameras away. And out of respect to the musicians and so that you can really appreciate this, we're going to be in the moment. So we have to, as travelers, be in the moment more. And that means no screen.

[B]

Can we be in the moment? Can we Be in the moment, in places where they know that we are in fact, from America, because that seems dicey right now. What's your advice to folks that are looking. They're excited to be traveling abroad, but they're also operating under the weight of our, let's just say, reputation.

[E]

Well, I was just in Istanbul a week ago and Rome two or three weeks ago, and I was tuned into that because this is understandable concern. It is. You know, I always say the mark of a good traveler is how many people do you meet, not how much do you check off of your bucket list. And those people experiences really carbonate the trip. And we Americans need to make a point to travel in a way where we're accessible. We should assume we're interesting. And in the last.

[B]

I mean, that my whole career is built on that.

[E]

Well, we just got more interesting on the road because of what's been happening in our country.

[B]

Well, okay, I see.

[E]

And I would say there's a lot of people are worried. Do I want to go to Europe? Everybody's going to be mad at us. Well, they're not mad at us. They may be mad at our government. And that's happened before. It comes and goes, you know, but it's great when we travel because they get to better understand us and we get to better understand them. I always think if everybody had to travel before they could vote, we would not be in this jam right now.

[B]

We only have eight more minutes with Rick. Please. We can't waste it with this ballyhoo. You know, something I was struck by in this book on the hippie trail, and you sort of alluded to it earlier, was that you and your travel partner were very far beyond the bounds of Western society and of kind of a part of the world where you could easily pick up a phone and call for help. And you're going through these places that became very sort of politically chaotic in the years after. And yet I get the sense that you didn't feel unsafe. And you and I were talking this week off air and you talked about the difference between saying bon voyage to people and saying safe travels.

[E]

Yeah, don't we miss the days when you said bon voyage? I mean, that was a positive thing. And now they say, have a safe trip. And it just reminds me, as a society, we are riddled with fear. I never really thought much about Franklin Delano Roosevelt saying, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. But he was pretty wise because fear, that's what makes us susceptible of people who want to capitalize on our fear and do bad things with our society. And I find that fear is for people who don't get out very much. And the flip side of fear is understanding. And we gain understanding when we travel. And I just feel like it's so important that we get away from our home and look at it from a distance. We learn more about ourselves and our home in our country when we leave it and look at it from afar. I love the idea that Mohammed said, don't tell me how educated you are, Tell me how much you've traveled. And me as a travel teacher. The whole idea is to not avoid culture shock, but to embrace it, to see it as a constructive thing. The growing pains of a broadening perspective. And if we're all so afraid that we just barricade ourselves behind walls, we'll never get to know the other 96% of humanity. So the irony is people want to be safe by building walls and staying home. And I think that's the best prescription for being not safe in the future. We need to get out.

[B]

30 more seconds. We lost people. When I've been telling folks that I'm going to get a chance to interview you, something that has come up is people said, oh, how's his health? I know that you had been through cancer. How is your health right now?

[E]

I am very thankful. Last July or something, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I was typical guy my age that's, you know, pretty together and always trying to be healthy and just stupid about my family's cancer history. But I checked my blood PSA through the ceiling, had my prostate removed, and it's a very powerful personal and emotional and spiritual experience to go through that. And got my blood test and I am cancer free. So I'm very thankful.

[B]

Excellent. That one you're allowed to clap for. Okay, well, what I was. I don't want to be sort of corny, but I'm wondering if going through that has impacted what your experience is with travel. To be somewhere on the other side of this diagnosis and to look at something and to think, boy, if stuff had gone differently, I might not be in the position to do this. Has it in any way reinvigorated your relationship with seeing the world?

[E]

You know, there's certain things that do make things twinkle or make things come into focus or saturate the colors, you know, and I'm kind of looking for that when I'm making a TV show. What makes things twinkle? And when you've had this brush with cancer or when you've gone through A pandemic or any number of things. All of a sudden you realize how fragile and beautiful the environment is. And all of a sudden you realize how important good governance is and you realize the importance of community and how community does not happen with people doing more than their share to contribute to it. And we can't have a win lose approach to problems going forward. We need a win win approach to problems because we're all in this together.

[B]

Yeah, I was going to ask you, you probably get asked this a lot, but I was going to ask you if there's somewhere in the world that you haven't been that you want to. But I now know you haven't been to Malta and I'm wondering, did something happen? Are you on bad terms with the government there? Why have you not been to Malta yet?

[E]

There are so many places I have not been and people think that all I do is travel, but all I do is work on my books that cover Europe. So, you know, my favorite places would be Sri Lanka or India or Indonesia or Japan. I love traveling there, but for the last 20 or 30 years I've just been focused on Europe. It's an exciting responsibility to have books covering these places and thousands of people saying, what are we going to do for dinner tonight? Where are we going to take the kids down to the beach or all that. So I just love that responsibility. So if somebody gave me a luxurious, all expenses paid 10 day trip to Fiji or a safari or something that I'd love to do, my first thought would be 10 days. I really need those 10 days to update my Sicily book, you know, so I'm not complaining about it. I just love my work. I found my niche and it's very gratifying to be able to help Americans travel. I work with 100 people up in Edmonds and our mission is to equip and inspire Americans to venture beyond Orlando.

[B]

Well, there goes our Orlando station. That was.

[E]

I lost Orlando a long time ago with my show.

[B]

This is Livewire Radio, formerly on in Orlando but still on in a lot of places. We're talking to Rick Steves about his new book on the Hippie Trail. Now, Rick, you of course have guided millions of folks through Europe over the years. But as this latest book kind of shows, you were not always the savvy traveler, which got us wondering if you were ever guilty of some of the classic tourist blunders or, or faux pas. That means blunder in French. So we wanted to ask you about some travel transgressions to see if you have Maybe committed them. This is a little exercise we're calling Rick Steves. Never have I ever. Very contemplative game we're about to play. Okay, Rick, we're wondering if you've done any of the following. Have you ever bought souvenirs for someone once you were already home?

[E]

No.

[B]

What is your souvenir sort of policy? Because you travel so much that if it became the expectation with people in your life that you were going to bring something home, I mean, that would be its whole owner, probably a responsibility. Right.

[E]

I bought most of the souvenirs you can buy after the first five or six trips, and that was 30 trips ago. So now I just. The thought of a souvenir, a physical souvenir, makes almost no sense to me. But photographs and memories. Writing a journal is like netting butterflies. And you just catch all these butterflies and you write them down, these little magic moments that you'll forever enjoy. But souvenirs I used to bring home. After I finished all the tacky, normal things that you'd buy, I started to bring home taxidermy stuffed animals from different places. And it never went over well with girls that I was dating. So they're deep in a box somewhere. All my taxidermy. But I don't. I just don't do souvenirs. But when you read the hippie trail book, I was fixated on souvenirs and bargaining. Bargaining is fun.

[B]

Getting these fantastic outfits that you were negotiating on for days on end and stuff.

[A]

Right.

[B]

All right, Rick Steves, have you ever peed in a bottle while in Transit?

[E]

That's page 47 in this. I wonder if it is. Yeah, that's the country. It was on the way to Iran. Yeah.

[B]

So that's a yes.

[E]

I could write a whole essay about peeing in places other than toilets.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

I'll tell you one thing. On the airplane in India back then, and I had forgotten about this until I actually read the journal, but I went to the old proper propeller plane and I went back to the toilet and I was just mesmerized by. You could see the farmland right through the toilet. And I was just. I couldn't stop looking at through the toilet, at the monsoon soaked farmland. And then I thought, and now I'm going to fertilize.

[B]

The producers and I were debating backstage whether or not to ask if you had ever been in the Mile High Club. But I think that's more upsetting. Have you ever Rick Steves pretended not to understand a language to avoid getting in trouble with the authorities?

[E]

Many, many times that's 101 for. That's a move for slumming around Europe in the old days. Yeah. You would buy a ticket halfway to your destination and you would accidentally miss the stop and the conductor would say, you're supposed to get off back there and you would just not know and you'd be traumatized. And then ultimately he would kick you off in the city that you wanted to be in.

[B]

All right, Rick Steves, have you ever hopped a train? As in like climbed into sort of. I don't know if we use this term anymore, but let's just say ridden the rails hobo style.

[E]

I've never done it hobo style, but I've done it cheap student style, which is just get on a train with an expired rail pass or something like that.

[B]

Just kind of try to keep.

[E]

Well, when you're on a train, and I haven't done this for a few years, but there's conductors that are coming this way. There's one here and one here, and they're coming like this and you're trying to be right in the middle.

[B]

For the radio listeners, his hands are getting closer and closer together and you're

[E]

hoping that to get to your next stop before I see you run out of space. And that's thrilling. You know,

[B]

I've been on a train before. This was just on the east coast of the US but where they didn't come by and check my ticket. And I was so disappointed I had paid. Yeah, I felt like, what was that for?

[A]

But.

[E]

But Europe has evolved to the point now where they don't hardly check for public transit in a lot of countries. And everybody pays. They've got. It's government subsidized. And Germans have these passes where for a few bucks you can go anywhere in the whole country by train or by bus or by trolley. And it's a beautiful thing to be able to. It's like swinging from vine to vine, I always think, you know, around Germany.

[B]

All right, last question. Rick Steves from Never have I Ever. Have you ever eaten at a McDonald's in a foreign country, even though there was something local available right next door?

[E]

I've eaten at a McDonald's, I will admit, because when I was on a real tight budget, it was located where you'd get a great view for the cost of a Coca Cola. And you're sitting right next to these fancy.

[B]

That's not eating if you just got a Coca Cola.

[E]

Yeah. There's McDonald's on the champs Elysees in France, which has Beautiful wicker chairs. And they don't have golden arches. They have subdued white arches, you know, and that's the thing. And then as a tour guide, I have camped out in the very back of a McDonald's assuming none of my travelers on the tour bus would come back there because I told them not to go there.

[B]

Rick Steves hiding in plain sight. I love it. The book is on the Hippie Trail. He's Rick Steves. Thank you so much for coming on Livewire.

[A]

That was Rick Steves right here on Livewire. His latest book on the Hippie Trail is available to read right now. Hey, special thanks this week to Stephanie Ko of Brooklyn, New York and Rachel Murphy, Portland, Oregon. Stephanie and Rachel are both part of the Livewire member community and are generously supporting our show with a donation each month. And we are so grateful for that support because it's the only way we can do the show. So thanks so much, Stephanie and Rachel. This is Livewire. I'm Luke Burbank here with Elaina Passarello. Of course. Each week on the show, we like to ask the Livewire audience a question. And this week we were inspired by Rick Steves many adventures around the world. So what did we ask the audience, Elena?

[D]

Oh, this is going to be so good. We asked them to tell us the most unexpected thing that has happened while they were traveling.

[A]

All right, let's get into it. We actually recorded real audience members at a recent edition of Livewire. Here is what they said. This person wanted to remain anonymous, Elena, which usually means it's going to be good. Generally a good story.

[D]

I bought all this sugar in Mexico when we were running around Mexico on this bus and the Federales got on and I just kind of freaked out and said, I'm American and it's sugar.

[A]

How much sugar do you need to buy while in Mexico?

[D]

Yeah. Are we doing some baking when we get back to the Airbnb?

[A]

I mean, you're kind of asking to get hassled.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Carrying around a white powder.

[D]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

All right, here's what Dan said happened to him once when traveling and it

[B]

was a big surprise.

[G]

We're in the Czech Republic and we're on a, like a four hour bus. And about one hour in, I had to use the bathroom badly. And the guy was like an old Soviet type, wouldn't stop the bus. And so we like three hours later, we got to a stop that actually, actually had like a, a visitor center maybe, and there was a restroom and I bolted to the restroom, and I just made it. So now, every once in a while, we'll say to each other, oh, I had a Czech Republic moment.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

The poor Czech Republic.

[A]

I don't know how that person. Three and a half hours, he said, I don't know how in the world he was able to hold it for that long. What I think is illuminating about that is the number one reason to be in a relationship really is so you have inside jokes like that, you know. Yeah, just like a shorthand when you said, I'm having a Czech Republic moment. The other person knows exactly what's going on for you.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah. That and charades. Like, nobody is better at charades than somebody that you've been with for 17 years.

[A]

Exactly. All right, here's what Matty had happened to them when they were traveling, and it was, well, let's just say, surprising.

[B]

When I was in France a couple years ago, we were in a little garden maze.

[E]

Hedge maze.

[B]

And we came around the corner, and there was a person of the evening

[E]

entertaining somebody around the corner. And that was an unexpected thing to find at the Louvre.

[D]

At the Louvre. Okay.

[B]

A little love at the Louvre. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

That's high class.

[D]

That's true. That's the.

[A]

I think I'm going to forever use the term person of the evening going forward.

[D]

Yes, I liked the euphemisms very, very delicately hand.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So those are some unexpected travel stories from our listeners. Thank you to everyone who was brave enough to respond to our question. Our musical guests this week are part of a special collaboration between the Oregon Symphony and the nonprofit organization Path Home. And here's what they do. It's so cool. Alaina. They bring together professional singer songwriters with parents who are experiencing homelessness. And through the collaboration, the participants work with symphony musicians to create personal lullabies for their children. Stephanie Schneiderman of the Lullaby Project joined us on stage at the Patricia Research center for the Arts in Beaverton, Oregon, to talk about the project. Take a listen. Welcome to Livewire.

[H]

Hello.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

This is such an amazing project. Can you tell me kind of how it came to Portland and sort of what the response was?

[F]

Absolutely. It started at Carnegie Hall's Wiles Music Institute, and they have about 60 partners internationally. So Organ Symphony brought it to Portland about seven years ago, and they partner with Path Home Family Shelter, and now, as a new addition, Family Preservation, which connects us with incarcerated moms.

[B]

What's the process like? Where does the idea start? Just take me through how one of these songs kind of comes to be Absolutely.

[F]

So the main purpose behind Lullaby Project, I kind of think, is two things. One is to amplify the parent child bond. And, you know, music is the most natural way to bond with your kid. And the second thing is to empower the parent in a situation that's probably feeling powerless. And so one of the first things we do is we, you know, they get to make every choice along the way. A lot of times I've done this over the years. Now, seven years I've been part of Laloway Project since its inception with Organ Symphony. And so I've written many songs with many parents, mostly moms, a couple dads. And I'll always ask them, so how do you want to start? Like, what feels most comfortable to you? Do you want to write a letter to your kids? Do you want to write down some thoughts? Or do you want to just talk and all write it all down? And most of the time, that's what they choose. And so for the first 20 minutes, it's this really nice connection where they're sharing their story, their hardships, their love for their kids, stories about their kids, stories about their own upbringing. And I just, like, scribble as fast as I possibly can and then I'll reflect it back to them. And when I recently did this with a wonderful mom that I had the honor of working with, named Lacey at Coffee Creek, a lot of the things that she said, it was already so poetic. And naturally, I think that happens. And so when she was first talking about her son, she has two kids, she was talking about her son. And she said, you know, his breath is my breath and his smile is my smile. And every tear we cry together. I was like, just keep going.

[A]

That's so good.

[F]

And when I reflected it back to her at the end, I said, is there anything that's missing? Like, is there any message here that you want to add on? And she said, I want my kids to know their power. And we put that in there. That's one of the lyrics. We'll teach you to know your power. And it was an emotional moment where she said, if I knew my power, my potential, my life would be different. And so it's just such an honor to be in the position of, like, taking the medium of songwriting and recording and being a musician for all these years, all these decades, and then using it to have somebody else, like, voice from their sense of melody. And a lot of times we'll find melody just through speech. Our natural rhythm, our natural, you know, melody is comprised of two things. It's comprised of rhythm and it's comprised of pitch. And so we just follow the natural melody and that becomes the song. And so I think it's like helping a family create a family heirloom.

[B]

What's it like when the song is then performed for the parent and if the children are old enough to kind of understand what's going on, like that moment of the song being presented? I mean, there can't be a dry

[A]

eye in the house, right?

[F]

Yes, Just mind blowing and always really emotional. And oftentimes there will be some moms that want to sing it on their own, meaning that they want to record it with the symphony backing them up. And it really just kind of elevates the whole experience for them. And so their kids feel like swept up in this exciting opportunity and they see their parent in a powerful place and then I think it becomes like their anthem. I mean, I don't think that's an overstatement. It's really cool.

[A]

That was Stephanie Schneiderman with the Lullaby Project here on Livewire, recorded live at the Patricia Research center for the Arts in Beaverton, Oregon. We are going to take a very short break, but do not go anywhere. When we come back, Stephanie and the Lullaby Project will perform a beautiful piece of music that they wrote in collaboration with an incarcerated mother. Stick around. More Livewire coming up. Welcome back to LIVEWIRE from prx. I'm Luke Burbank here with Elena Passarello. Okay, it is that time again in the show where we like to play a little station location identification examination. If you are unfamiliar, this is where I quiz Elena, our announcer, on a place in America where Livewire is on the radio. She has to guess where that place might be based on these clues. Elena, are you ready?

[D]

Yes, ready, but not confident because I feel like the hamlets have been getting smaller and smaller recently.

[A]

So I believe your suspicions are correct. We're getting to some fairly out of the way places, including this place. It's known as a resort waterfront community on the north shore of little Travers Bay. It's also home to the deepest freshwater harbor in the Great Lakes.

[D]

Well, I would first say that it was Traverse City, but that doesn't sound right because it'd be too easy. So it's got to be one of the other little towns up there.

[A]

Yes, it is. How about this? A notable part about this town's history is that there was some hardcore clubbing that was going on during the prohibition era. There was a place there called Club Manitow, which was an infamous Midwest summer resort, nightclub, casino that existed from 1929 to 1952. Does that narrow it down for you?

[D]

Yes, I've narrowed it down to two places. Do I get credit if it's one of the two?

[A]

Hugely.

[D]

Okay. It's either Petoskey, Michigan, or Harbor Springs, Michigan.

[A]

It's Harbor Springs, Michigan. Elena, where we're on whbpfm. How do you know from Harbor Springs, Michigan?

[D]

Used to vacation in Petoskey. I just couldn't remember which one was north of the other.

[A]

That is absolutely incredible. Shout out to everybody tuning in in Harbor Springs, Michigan.

[B]

This is Livewire from prx. All right, before we get to this week's musical performance from the Lullaby Project,

[A]

a little preview of what we are

[B]

doing on the show next week. Avery Truffleman is going to stop by. Avery hosts one of my very favorite podcasts in the world. It's called Articles of Interest. It is a show that is kind of ostensibly about clothing and fashion and what we wear, but it is about so much more than that. Plus, we're gonna get some music from the truly delightful Brazilian, by way of Portland, Oregon duo, Johnny Franco and his real brother, Dom. They really are brothers.

[A]

They write beautiful songs.

[B]

They've also got this kind of old timey radio sense that they bring to the show, which I'm excited for you to all get to hear. So make sure you tune in for next week's episode of Livewire.

[A]

All right, before the break, we were talking to Stephanie Schneiderman of the Lullaby Project, which is an organization that collaborates with parents, some of whom are incarcerated, some who are experiencing homelessness, to compose lullabies for their children. So let's get back to that. Now let's hear this song from Stephanie Schneiderman and the Lullaby Project. This is with members of the Oregon Symphony, recorded live at the Patricia Research center for the Arts in Beaverton, Oregon.

[B]

Take a listen. Now, the song that we're gonna hear, can you tell me the backstory on that?

[F]

So I shared a little bit. It's called Connected and it was written with Lacey.

[B]

Okay. This is a woman that's incarcerated currently.

[F]

Yeah. So you hear those lyrics, you'll hear. Your breath is my breath, your smile is my smile.

[B]

This is the Lullaby Project and Stephanie Schneiderman here on Livewire.

[D]

Sam,

[H]

Your breath is my breath, your smile is my smile and every tear we cry together. We're always connected, we're always one

[D]

no

[H]

matter where you are I just pray you learn what love is no matter and how far I just pray you know where home is. Mom and dad will love you till the end of time. Against all odds you came to this world we will teach you to know your power we're always connected we're always one no matter where you are I just pray you learn what love is wherever and how far I just pray you know where home is mom and Dad I will love you till the end no matter where you are I just pray you learn what love is no matter and how far I just pray you know where home is mom and dad will love you till the end of mom and dad will love you till the end of time. Thank you.

[A]

That was the Lullaby Project right here on Livewire, featuring artist Stephanie Schneiderman and members of the Oregon Symphony, including Peter Fargola and Inez Voglar Belzic on violin, Amanda Grimm on viola, Kevin Kunkel on cello, Jason Schooler on bass and Zach Galatis on the flute. You can learn more about the Lullaby Project right here in Portland by going to orsymphony.org lullabyproject all right, that's going to do it for this week's episode of Livewire. A huge thanks to our guest, Rick Steves, Stephanie Schneiderman and the Lullaby Project. Also special thanks this episode to our friends Hallie and Rick Seidel.

[D]

Woohoo, Hallie. Laura Haddon is our executive producer, Heather D. Michelle is our executive director and our producer and editor is Melanie Savchenko. Our technical director is Eben Hoffer. Hazik Bin Ahmad Farid is our assistant editor and our house sound is by Dee Neal Blake. Ashley park is our production fellow, Valentine

[A]

Keck is is our operations manager, Andrea Castro Martinez is our marketing associate and Ezra Veenstra runs our front of house. Our house band is Sam Pinkerton, Ethan Fox, Tucker Eyal, Al Alves and A. Walker Spring who also composes our music. This episode was mixed by Eben Hoffer and Hazik Bin Ahmad Farid.

[D]

Additional funding provided by the James F. And Marian L. Miller Foundation. Livewire was created by Robin Tenenbaum and Kate Sokoloff. This week we'd like to thank members Stephanie Kuo of Brooklyn, New York and Rachel Murphy of Portland, Oregon.

[A]

For more information about our show or how you can listen to our podcast, head on over to livewireradio.org I'm Luke Burbank for Elena Passarello and the whole Livewire team. Thank you for listening and we will see you next week.

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