Learning to Trust That You Are Lovable

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Learning to Trust That You Are Lovable"

Living Influence with Bill Thrall and Scott Boyd
Episode: Learning to Trust That You Are Lovable
Release Date: July 17, 2025

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Introduction

In the episode titled “Learning to Trust That You Are Lovable,” co-hosts Bill Thrall and Scott Boyd delve deep into the transformative power of grace in the Christian journey. Building upon their ongoing conversation about grace and personal identity in Christ, they explore how embracing God's view of ourselves can significantly enhance our influence and relationships. This discussion is enriched with personal anecdotes, biblical insights, and practical exercises aimed at fostering a deeper understanding of one's worthiness and lovability through God's grace.

The Foundation of Grace and Personal Identity

Scott begins the conversation by reiterating the importance of grace in his maturation as a saint. He emphasizes that believing who God says he is—the righteous and loved one—has been pivotal in receiving God's love:

Scott [00:23]: “We were talking about beginning to believe who God says I am, the Christian life being defined by me beginning to believe who God says I am.”

Bill echoes Scott’s sentiments, highlighting their joint efforts to help others experience grace:

Bill [01:00]: “We spend a lot of time together, Scott, and trying to... how do we experience grace and how do we help others experience grace?”

Biblical Insights on Holiness and the Holy Spirit

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the theological underpinnings of holiness and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Bill references Ephesians 1 and Romans 8 to illustrate how the presence of the Holy Spirit serves as evidence of one's holiness and belonging to Christ:

Bill [02:15]: “...an exercise where you take Ephesians chapter one and write down everything that God says is true about you.”

Bill [04:02]: “The Holy Spirit is in you is a great evidence that you belong to Christ.”

Scott further elaborates on how trusting in God's truth about oneself can shift the focus away from self-centered behaviors and shame:

Scott [06:18]: “...it's like I'm examining everything I do... if I begin to imagine that what God says is true about me... it takes my eyes off of me.”

Overcoming Shame and Embracing Lovability

Both hosts confront the pervasive issue of shame and the struggle to accept one's own worthiness. Bill shares his personal battle with believing he is lovable, a struggle rooted in a childhood shaped by the lie that he didn’t matter:

Bill [07:40]: “I will never like me until I'm convinced I'm lovable. Shame will convince me that I am not worth knowing.”

This candid admission paves the way for a heartfelt discussion on the necessity of trusting in God's affirmation of our lovability. They discuss the transformative impact of allowing others to love and trust them, moving from being "the lover" to "the lovey," where the focus shifts from controlling relationships to allowing love to flow freely.

Bill [09:51]: “God, convince me that I'm lovable... I was scared to death. Gotta be known.”

Personal Stories and Testimonies

Scott shares his journey of grappling with his self-worth, influenced by his father's alcoholism and absence. He recounts how discovering biblical truths and seeking God's guidance led him to embrace his identity in Christ:

Scott [10:23]: “My dad was an alcoholic. He left when I was in fifth grade... because somebody told them I love you, and they believed it.”

Bill relates his own experiences, emphasizing the importance of trusting God and others with one's vulnerability:

Bill [12:07]: “I begin to trust me... because the spirit of God challenged me. Challenged me. Bill, let them trust you. Because, Bill, I've made you trustworthy.”

The Role of Grace in Overcoming Crises

The conversation transitions to how grace is essential in navigating life's crises. Bill and Scott discuss their roles in helping others experience grace rather than solely focusing on solving problems:

Bill [19:03]: “The solution to the crisis is that you experience grace.”

Scott shares his experience with losing his wife and how grace became a cornerstone in rebuilding his life and business:

Scott [22:04]: “God was with us. It was a hard time... God gave me this passion for grace because it's changed my life so much.”

Biblical Modeling and Purpose

Drawing parallels with Apostle Paul's boldness in preaching to the Gentiles, both hosts reflect on their own callings to come alongside others and facilitate their experience of grace:

Scott [14:22]: “I want to imagine it's Paul's example. But is it ours? Do I believe, like Paul, that I have been set apart by God, chosen of God?”

Bill articulates his mission to help others experience grace and discover their God-given purposes:

Bill [18:59]: “To come alongside people so that they can experience grace.”

Practical Application and Closing Thoughts

The episode concludes with actionable insights on how listeners can internalize and live out the truths discussed. Bill introduces interactive prayers to reinforce trust in God's love and one's own trustworthiness:

Bill [11:40]: “Spirit of God who is in me, teach me to trust you with me.”

Both hosts reiterate the transformative power of grace, encouraging listeners to let it change everything in their lives:

Scott [24:14]: “Grace changes everything. It literally does.”

Conclusion

“Learning to Trust That You Are Lovable” is a profound exploration of self-identity through the lens of divine grace. Bill Thrall and Scott Boyd eloquently discuss the necessity of embracing God's truth about our worthiness and lovability to enhance our personal influence and relationships. Through biblical teachings, personal testimonies, and practical exercises, they offer a roadmap for listeners to overcome shame, trust in God's love, and live out their God-given purposes with authenticity and grace.

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Notable Quotes:

• Scott [00:23]: “We were talking about beginning to believe who God says I am, the Christian life being defined by me beginning to believe who God says I am.”
• Bill [04:02]: “The Holy Spirit is in you is a great evidence that you belong to Christ.”
• Bill [07:40]: “I will never like me until I'm convinced I'm lovable. Shame will convince me that I am not worth knowing.”
• Scott [10:23]: “My dad was an alcoholic. He left when I was in fifth grade... because somebody told them I love you, and they believed it.”
• Bill [11:40]: “Spirit of God who is in me, teach me to trust you with me.”
• Scott [24:14]: “Grace changes everything. It literally does.”

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, highlighting the critical discussions on grace, self-worth, and the transformative journey of trusting in God’s love. Whether you're a regular listener or new to the podcast, this episode offers valuable insights into living a life defined by divine grace and unconditional lovability.

Transcript

[Scott]

Today we're going to continue our conversation about how grace is the basis of my maturing as a saint. Welcome to Living Influence, Bill. We've been talking about grace. Now we're right in the middle of talking about how grace is the basis for my maturing as a saint.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

In our last podcast, we were talking about beginning to believe who God says I am, the Christian life being defined by me beginning to believe who God says I am. And we were talking about how, as I do that, as I imagine God says I'm a saint.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

Says he's made me righteous.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Scott]

He says he loves me. As I imagine that that might be true about me. It's in that area where I began to receive God's love.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

Because I began to come into an agreement with. With it, you know, And I. I remember when I first did it. I remember when I first began to take that step, and I. I said the words, I believe I'm worthy, which felt scandalous to me because, of course, I'm not worthy. It took Jesus dying on a cross. But. But the flip side to see that is Jesus declared that I was worthy because he went to the cross for me.

[Bill]

Right, right.

[Scott]

And that's. I think that's where we ended.

[Bill]

Because he made you worthy.

[Scott]

He made me worthy.

[Bill]

Exactly.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

That's beautiful.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

We spend a lot of time together, Scott, and trying to. I love your word. Trying to imagine.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

How do we experience grace and how do we help others experience grace? How do. How do we just alongside others to do this? And, and, and we were just talking last week about one of the great evidences that I am a saint is that I'm righteous. And, and Jesus said. And Paul said, and truly holy. And, And a lot of times when I'm teaching groups.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I'll have them do an exercise. I'll just mention it now, but I'll have them do an exercise where you take Ephesians chapter one and write down everything that God says is true about you.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

And. And in a group of four to six people, I'll say, now everybody gets a vote. How many of you think this is true? This is true. This is true. And they'll get somewhere between 1 and 4. They'll all agree, except when it comes to this word holy. And then all of a sudden you get 1.7, 2 or 3.9 or. But, but no, it's like, no, no, no. It's overwhelming. If I see myself as a sinner, I can't imagine that I'm Holy.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

But if I see myself as God sees me, he wants to remind me of something. Back to this theology of Jesus. He said, new commandment I give you, but he also said this, chapter 15. The Holy Spirit is coming and he will be in you.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Now, Jesus that day introduced a whole new theology about the Holy Spirit. A whole new theology?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Until that moment, the Holy Spirit never indwelt anyone. The Holy Spirit only came upon humanity, never dwelt in humanity.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

How is it now that the day of Pentecost can become a reality? Because Calvary happened.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Because Calvary happened. Because Calvary happened. God in Christ took me, a sinner and made me a saint. Holy. So that Acts chapter two could happen. So that the Holy Spirit of God could come and dwell in humanity.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

What's the great evidence? I could just. I could just tell you because I do it. Okay. How many of you are Christians? How many of you believe the Holy Spirit said you're great? How many of you believe you're holy? Nobody. You missed the point. The Holy Spirit could not be in you if you are not holy. It's impossible.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

The great evidence of our holiness is the presence of the Spirit of God.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

In us.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

In Romans, chapter eight, Paul says, by the way, let me tell you something, dear Christian friends. Do you know if the Holy Spirit is not in you, you don't belong to Christ. Oh, wait, what? That's what he says.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

The Holy Spirit is in you is a great evidence that you belong to Christ.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

But the fact that the Holy Spirit who is in you is there at all is because of Christ.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

So again, do I measure my maturing on the basis of my behavior, or do I measure my maturing on the basis of who God says I am becoming?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

That's a critical question. I don't know. We can answer it now, or two years of doing podcasts.

[Scott]

Right.

[Bill]

But I do know that I want to be able to be challenged with this reality. God, you love me. You're committed to my best. I pray a lot of short prayers. A short prayer just came to my mind. God, teach me to receive your best.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Teach me to receive your best.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Teach me to believe that my righteousness is totally dependent on the righteousness of Christ.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Teach me to believe that my holiness is not measured, because as a Christian.

[Scott]

I still sin in a practical way. It's like if I measure myself by my behavior or my shame, I will be looking like this. I work on this handle a bit, and it's like, oh, I need to work on this knee.

[Bill]

And then.

[Scott]

And, and we say it, but it's literally I'm examining everything I do.

[Bill]

Exactly.

[Scott]

And. And it. I become self centered. I'm centered on myself. My. Because this is how I'm measuring myself. I'm measuring myself by my behavior. And I'm trying to deal with the things I don't like about me. My shame. Things that have defined me. And if I begin to. And I love the word imagine. Imagine is to think about something that isn't.

[Bill]

Exactly.

[Scott]

And in Hebrews, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. So what if I imagine that what God says is true about me?

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

It takes my eyes off of me. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, when I am no longer in this insecure state, trying to work on me, all of a sudden I can now be, oh, hi, Bill. Aware of you.

[Bill]

Exactly. So well said.

[Scott]

And now I can be me for you. And. And so different dynamics begin to happen.

[Bill]

Because he ain't who you used to be.

[Scott]

Because I ain't who I used to be. And it's not just we're going to imagine this. It's. It's actually what God did.

[Bill]

Exactly. Is he capable of doing it?

[Sally]

Is he?

[Bill]

Can I trust him with it?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Can I live into it? You were just saying some words, Scott, that really blessed me. And that is back to my short prayers. But God, convince me that I'm lovable.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Here's a. Here's a truism. I will never like me until I'm convinced I'm lovable.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Shame will convince me that I am not worth knowing. I struggle with this a lot, Scott. This was. This was part of a great barrier and in my maturing.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Because I grew up believing a lie.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

That I didn't matter.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

That lie defined me. My teenage years were horrific.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Coming to Christ at 17 set a direction, a new direction for my life. But it didn't stop my view of me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I had to mature into this reality. God, God, if. If you say I'm lovable, then can I trust that's true? Will I let you love me? And will I let my friends, God, love me?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

If I'm lovable, will I let people love me? You know, back to what we said last week. Jesus said, the world, because you love one another, sometimes I say in a teasing way to an audience, you know, most of you have spent your whole life being a lover, but you know what? You have to learn to become is a lovey. Right. If we're to love one another, which is harder sometimes.

[Scott]

Oh, it's to be the lovey.

[Bill]

You know why? Because when I'm the lover, guess who's in charge, right? In control. It's me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Boy, Scott, you mean I gotta let you love me?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Oh, no, wait, wait. This thing I do again. Come, but don't get too close.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Because. Because you know what, Scott? I believe that I wasn't valuable.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I believe I didn't matter.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I was scared to death. Gotta be known.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I mean, it just petrified me. I was. I was a chameleon, Scott.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I lived my life living to imagine. Who do you want me to be?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Because, God, I hate to say this. Truth, but it was my truth because I didn't like me.

[Scott]

And this is making me think about truth, you know, because God's truth is truth. And. And when it's used, even in part, it still works.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

And so one of the crazy things I did, because I felt like I was stuck in a box, and I started to discover things in the book of Galatians, and I just started reading leadership books and looking for truth. And then I would find something that, like, okay, this intuitively feels true. But if it's true, I had this belief, then how's it true biblically? And it's amazing how many of those things line up. So on this thing of do I believe who God says I am? My dad was an alcoholic. He left when I was in fifth grade. When I meet guys that had a really great dad who really loved them and was really present, they're different than me.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

And why are they different than me? Because somebody told them I love you, and they believed it.

[Bill]

Ah, Scott, such a great example.

[Scott]

So on a human level, the truth works.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

It makes a huge difference. But on a spiritual level, it makes all the difference.

[Bill]

Absolutely.

[Scott]

Life. It's amazing.

[Bill]

Scott, that is such a great example. I want to just pause there for a minute with you. Let's all of us pause and just think about what he just said. What if the spirit of God who is in me, what if I could pray? Another short bill prayer.

[Sally]

Ready? Yeah.

[Bill]

Spirit of God who is in me, teach me to trust you with me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Spirit of God who is in me, teach me to trust you with me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Oh, my gosh. Teach me to trust Jesus with me. I'm gonna get this. Teach me to trust God with me. Now watch this. Teach me to trust Scott with me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

And the harder one, teach me to trust me, with me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

That's where I struggle the most.

[Scott]

God, what do you mean by that?

[Bill]

I was so convinced that I was not trustworthy that I couldn't and shouldn't be trusted by me or anybody. One of the great transitions in my life, in my ministry life, was this dynamic that was taking place early in our ministry where together, we were experiencing each other's love and people began to trust me. Scott.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

And I went, who? Wait, hold it, Sally. Don't tell me. Don't say that to me, Dean, don't. Oh, I began to trust me. And, and it. The spirit of God challenged me. Challenged me. Bill, let them trust you. Because, Bill, I've made you trustworthy.

[Sally]

Wow.

[Bill]

Oh, my gosh. God, I. Right now that. I just got emotional.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Thinking about that because.

[Bill]

Because that has been part of the reality of my whole Christian life.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

This idea, I keep referring to it. By the grace of God, I am what I am. Here I am. Here I am.

[Scott]

I had the same experience at my business. Had a guy say, scott, I want to have my career here. I want to retire. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm dealing with live ammunition here.

[Bill]

Well said. Well, I love that you are. I mean, yeah, we are. This grace is. I love that. I've never heard that before, really, Ever. We're dealing with live ammunition. Watch everybody. Something's going to go off here.

[Scott]

I could kill somebody.

[Bill]

Something's going to go off here in a minute. This isn't just a theory of doctrine.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

This is a reality of life. Yeah, it's a reality of life. As I'm sitting here thinking, I, I really wanted us to just spend a minute on, on this verse in Galatians. Maybe you could find it for us. Galatians 1:15. I, I, I'd like to kind of end this with, with our thinking through this a little bit.

[Scott]

I love Paul's boldness in this section. But when he who had set me apart before I was born and who called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his son to me in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I, I did not immediately consult with anyone, nor did I go to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me. But I went into Arabia, returned again to Damascus, he just went.

[Bill]

He went for it. He did. He acted upon it.

[Scott]

He acted. That's a great word.

[Bill]

As I see that example, I call it Paul's example. But I want to imagine with you and the people who are Looking at us, I want to imagine it's Paul's example. But is it ours? Do I believe, like Paul, that I have been set apart by God, chosen of God? I remind a lot of people that every choice of God comes with purpose. Every choice of God comes with purpose. And Paul's going to suggest that there are three reasons that he was set apart by God. And by the way, there are. He's using himself as an example of our reality. Yeah, My reality as a saint. Set apart by God so I could experience grace. Called by grace. That's what we've been talking about, Right? Called by grace, called set apart by God to experience grace. What is grace? Receiving God's best.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

And then he says, set apart by God to receive grace so that Christ could be known by me. Paul said Christ could be known by me. Listen, this process of maturing is a process of Christ being known by me. Jesus said to his disciples, follow me. Yeah, he's still saying it.

[Sally]

He is.

[Bill]

He's still saying it to me. Saying it to you. He's saying to us, follow me. Why would he want us to follow him? So he can reveal himself to us. The gospels are the stories of Jesus, the Son of God, revealing himself to his disciples.

[Sally]

Right.

[Bill]

For the benefit of transferring their lives so that they could do as Paul said, the purpose of God. For Paul, it was to preach to the Gentiles. But let's review that. Wait a minute. What is this grace? Paul says? I'm going to tell you something about this. Set apart by God to experience his grace so that Christ will be known to me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Oh, gosh. I paused in my heart right now because it's hit me deeply so many times. Discipleship and spiritual formation is all about a strategy that doesn't include the revelation of Christ in me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Now it has to begin with the revelation of Christ in me.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Scott]

No, they. It's always.

[Bill]

Something I have to.

[Scott]

How do I cause this to happen more?

[Bill]

Exactly. How do I become more godly? Well, I want to give you a huge biblical secret here. You know, how you want to become more godly. Get to know Christ better. Just spend more time letting him be revealed to you. And, and then he says his purpose was to preach Christ to the Gentiles.

[Sally]

Right.

[Bill]

So I thought about reviewing that and I thought about what, what is mine? I, I believe I've been set apart by God. I, I know I'm experiencing God's grace. I know I'm getting a fuller understanding as much as I can to this amazing person. Called Jesus. And what I've learned over the many years that I've been a Christian is that Paul was to preach to the Gentiles. Mine is to come alongside people. I've been doing this for a long time. I kind of, so to speak, I talk about sitting on the other side of the table, people sitting on the side of the table. My friend Scott came to me one day. You just gave us the example of city. So I have this. What is God's purpose in me? To come alongside people. And I'll just use the outline we're talking about, but to come alongside people so they become convinced that they've been set apart by God.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

To come alongside people so that they can experience grace.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

A lot of people who come to see BE Scott are in trouble. That's why they're there. You gotta go see Bill and some crisis in their life.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

And they believe the resolution to the crisis is to work on the crisis. And I'll always say to them, good luck.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

The solution to the crisis is that you experience grace.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Because sometimes people miss the obvious. You know, Mr. Smith, you know that crisis that you're in, do you know you were a contributor to that crisis? Do you know you who actually made the crisis? You don't have the capacity to solve the crisis you made.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

And I'll say this to people as they come to see me. I'll say, let me ask you a couple questions. One of the questions I'll ask them is, do you really want somebody to help you? And though I know a couple of them have been bold enough to say, well, I wouldn't be here if I didn't want somebody to help me. Why wouldn't I? What are you talking about?

[Scott]

What a dumb question.

[Bill]

Oh, 45 minutes later, I'll ask another question. Are you willing somebody to help you, but not on your terms? And I say to a lot of people, I'll say to everybody, nobody can help you on your terms, not even God. It takes grace.

[Scott]

It's kind of true for unbelievers too, isn't it? It's.

[Bill]

It's a truism.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

It's a truism. So why do people come? What. What is it that God's called me to do? Come alongside people?

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

To. To help them as much as I know how.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

To follow Jesus and as much as I can.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

To help them move into the purposes of God for them.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I. I am absolutely convinced that every one I meet who is a Christian has the purpose of God in them. I really believe that.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Share with us your story.

[Scott]

Yeah. So for mine, I do believe I was called by God.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

I remember when. When I got in that church with my. My late wife, and we were excited about God, and it was like, so, God, what do you want me to do? Where do you want me to go? Do you want me to go to Bible college?

[Bill]

Right.

[Scott]

You know, I was praying those questions and. And I felt God call me to. To business, to. No, I want you to. To. To get a career. I want you to really go for that.

[Sally]

And.

[Scott]

And I did. And it was consuming. And I mean, sometimes people will look at what I've done and they'll be very amazed.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And they'll think, wow, you've got a lot of courage to have done that. I don't know that I'd ever. And it's like. And they don't really know that, you know, that the first little step you took wasn't that amazingly courageous. But then. Then you got in so deep that if you stopped, the tiger was going to eat you. And so you just keep going, right. And learning about God. And I learned about grace in the middle of that journ. That guy saying he wanted to have a career at my company.

[Bill]

Right.

[Scott]

It undid me, I think, because my dad was an alcoholic. I couldn't imagine my sons, when they were 50, working for their dad. Some people do that, and they do it well, of course, you know, but I couldn't do it quite so. And some. A lot. A lot don't do it very well. I mean, the. The family dynamic of having a family business can be really, really difficult. So I started looking for my next. My company was going well. I had a great group of leaders, sons that are doing great in the business. And so when I went through that period of time where my late wife died of pancreatic cancer, I. It was also during COVID and I quit because I had to. I had to care for her. And I was emotionally. Iraq, and just. I don't know if I was emotionally wrecked. God was with us. It was a hard time. It was a hard time. And so I came out of that and we started getting together. And so I don't know that I'm still looking for my next, but I kind of looking for my next because God gave me this story of how this flourishing business got created and happened. And he gave me this passion for grace because it's changed my life so much.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

And so in my heart now is I want everyone to get to experience this message of grace.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

I want them to experience the freedom of grace.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

To then begin to experience the calling of God.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

And I think I have a passion that I'd like businessmen to be able to do that as well.

[Bill]

I agree.

[Scott]

You do, you know, and so.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

So we're in the beginning stages of that. Maybe further down the road.

[Bill]

What a great place to be.

[Scott]

But it's a. It's an incredible place. Place to be.

[Bill]

Amen. Thank you, Lord.

[Sally]

Yeah.

[Scott]

You guys have a statement that you coined a long time ago. Grace changes everything.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

It literally does.

[Bill]

Amen. Let's let it.

[Scott]

We want you guys to let it when. Let it change everything, because it's an amazing journey.

[Bill]

Amen.

[Scott]

Thanks for watching our podcast Today. We're going to continue this conversation on grace. We've got some more topics to talk about. We hope you join us.

[Bill]

Thank you.

[Scott]

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