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Charles Patty
Psychedelic medicines gave me the ability to love myself enough to actually want to change my life. I hated myself for a lot of years.
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Christina Thomas
And this message isn't to be forced on anybody and it's not to shove it down anybody's throat. And if you're ready to listen, come listen.
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Charles Patty
Christina Thomas and Charles Patty are compassionate, purpose driven entrepreneurs and the co founders of Myself Wellness.
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Ray Gutierrez
Drawing from their journeys through trauma healing and personal transformation, they are redefining mental
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Charles Patty
wellness by creating spaces centered on compassion, connection and innovative approaches to emotional healing.
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Christina Thomas
You're going to have your good days and you're going to have your bad days, but they help you respond to your bad days better. Oh yeah, and that's really what our clients tell us, especially with the ketamine therapy.
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Charles Patty
If people got an up close and personal look at what happens at our clinic on a daily basis, nobody would think this is a bad thing.
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Ray Gutierrez
A lot of folks are listening that are very dormant. They're not, they don't understand, they haven't woken up. And I feel like this is an avenue for them to just like this is something they need to unlock their true potential even if they're in their 90s.
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Christina Thomas
And what's so special about my self wellness is that we don't put people in boxes. We meet them where they are, we don't push psychedelic therapy on them. But if they're ready for it, then we can open that door for them.
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Charles Patty
My name's Rudy Moore, host of Living the red life podcast and I'm here to change the way you see your life in your earpiece every single week. If you're ready to start living the red life, ditch the blue pill, take the red pill.
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Ray Gutierrez
Join me in wonderland and change your life life. Welcome back to another episode of the living your legacy podcast, the red life edition for inside Success. I am Ray Gutierrez. We are just moments away of we literally just finished filming their episode of Legacy Makers. Joining me today is Christina Thomas and Charles Patty. Gosh, you guys are both wizards, alchemists of, of ketamine. I, I, I'm going to bastardize your intro but I'm so impressed by what just transpired. Before we begin, please introduce yourselves. Go ahead.
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Christina Thomas
Hi, nice to see you.
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Ray Gutierrez
Oh, nice to see you.
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Christina Thomas
I'm so glad to be here today.
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Ray Gutierrez
So Christina, who are you? What brings you to the show?
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Christina Thomas
I'm Christina Thomas. I'm the co owner of myself wellness and elusis. And yeah, we're just here to help people on their healing journeys.
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Ray Gutierrez
Right on. And who are we with here I
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Charles Patty
am Charles Patty and I am the co founder and CEO of my self wellness and the co founder of elusis.
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Ray Gutierrez
I actually have some show notes here. I want to give you the proper introduction. You're both legacy makers because you've built a wellness center that transforms lives through innovative ketamine therapy, giving hope to those struggling with mental health and addiction. Ketamine therapies, that's something you hear a lot. Yeah.
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Charles Patty
No, so like a lot of people don't realize, but ketamine is actually an FDA approved anesthetic.
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Christina Thomas
Right.
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Charles Patty
And so it was FDA approved in 1970. It's one of the safest, least toxic anesthetics on the market. It's actually the number one choice for pediatric sedation. So they use it on children one and a half and older for surgeries. That being said, we use it off label for mental health. We use it for depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder, substance abuse issues. And instead of like a lot of the antidepressants and other pharmaceutical medications out there, which is more of like covering a symptom up or throwing a band aid on a bullet wound, ketamine actually gets to the root issue and the root cause of why people are suffering to begin with.
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Ray Gutierrez
So when someone is on ketamine, what is physically happening to the body? Like are networks being rewired? What is literally happening to the body?
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Charles Patty
So ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic. And when people get into a disassociated state, it's like a chemically induced meditative state. The mind separates from the body and it removes the active blocks that are holding past repressed traumatic experiences or sometimes even things in our personal unconscious that we don't even know we need to deal with. It also does do neurological healing to the brain, though. So whenever we've had these traumatic experiences, neurological damage happens. And ketamine goes in and physiologically remaps and restructures the neural pathways in the brain. Actually touches and hits the receptors in the brain that create our dopamine. So the brain starts producing more dopamine naturally. But when we send people into this dreamlike state or these profound psychedelic healing experiences, people are achieving about 20 years worth of therapy and six treatments.
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Ray Gutierrez
Christina, give us the perspective of the audience that just listened to all this. What, what is the. The translation to what we just heard?
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Christina Thomas
Ketamine makes you feel better. It gets to the root issue and the root cause of why you have your physical symptoms of depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress. It helps you on it helps you take, like if you think of our minds like plants, it helps you pull out the weeds so you can get to the, the, the, the person who you truly are, that person that doesn't feel their anxiety, that doesn't feel the depression anymore. And it helps you peel back those
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Ray Gutierrez
layers that's us in a different dimension texting each other. When do you think, when do you think started folks started thinking this way? Was it pre Star Wars? Like 75? Like when did folks start taking this, this, this alternative route to mental health? I, I think of the Steve Jobs of the world that were way advanced and they were on this journey. When do you think this began?
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Charles Patty
Well, so like that's the thing is like, you know, a lot of people don't know, but Steve Jobs had very profound psychedelic experiences which pointed him in the direction of, you know, molding Apple the way that it was.
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Ray Gutierrez
Oh yeah, and to a fault.
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Charles Patty
Yeah.
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Ray Gutierrez
I mean, like, yeah.
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Charles Patty
And like, you know, LSD was actually showing very good efficacy for alcohol use disorder. Like in the 50s and into the 60s, a lot of people when they think psychedelics, they think hippies and it's like the 70s hippie counterculture. These medicines have been being used for thousands of years. Ayahuasca is a good example of that. Where people had been drinking ayahuasca for thousands of years, having these very profound healing experiences that were used in ceremonies for spiritual enlightenment and even back to the Eleusinian mysteries where people like Plato were drinking ergot and having these visionary states that really molded society in the way that it is today.
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Ray Gutierrez
Right on. You're very much in your protagonist energy flow, but it wasn't always like this. You were very much in your antagonist energy. Talk about what made you such a believer of this healing process.
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Charles Patty
So psychedelic medicine saved my life. You know, I quit a 6 year opiate addiction. Actually it was about 15 years of opiates. But 6 year heroin addiction from an NDMT experience and psychedelic medicines gave me the ability to love myself enough to actually want to change my life. And I hated myself for a lot of years. And after I found that overwhelmingly loving feeling for myself and for other people, it really ignited that flame within me to take the reins of my own life and start to doing things that would propel me forward and actually make me proud of the person that I am.
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Ray Gutierrez
For sure, you listed out a bunch of negative drugs there. And from, from our discoveries recently, we've, we've recently known that these drugs are basically hindering your energy. It's suppressing energy. It's keeping you in a lower frequency. You've recently ascended and now you're in a different frequency. How has life changed for you? Dramatically? And I mean, and I don't mean just the binary things that we can see with our naked eyes. I mean, beyond the 10% of what our pupils can see, how has life really divinely changed around you?
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Charles Patty
It gave me a window to see more of what the reality of existence is. And so, not trying to sell anybody on my beliefs here, but it showed me that we're all one collective consciousness. Whether you want to call that the universe, God, whatever label you want to put on it, we're all a part of it. I had a DMT experience years ago, right? I was in my living room and I smoked dmt. All of the furniture flew out of the living room.
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Ray Gutierrez
All.
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Charles Patty
All of a sudden, the universe started folding over on top of itself until I was in the abyss of nothingness. I was everything. I was nothing. I was God, all at the same time. And I was like, wow, this is super scary and it's boring and it's lonely because there's nobody to talk to. And then all of a sudden, voom. This download of information came into my mind. The entire universe unfolded itself. I flew back into the living room and I said, well, we break ourselves down into the droplets of water in the ocean of consciousness and put ourselves to sleep to forget who we truly are so we can experience the experience of life. So in a way, this is kind of like God having a conversation with God, pretending that we're not.
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Ray Gutierrez
Yeah. And to quote the famous Bruce Lee, be water. Just be water. That's exactly what that means. How do you educate folks about this, this massive divine download? A lot of folks aren't ready to hear this. They. They're probably sitting in their truck, stuck in traffic, stuck in this energy, not realizing the reason why they're stuck in that energy is because they're stuck in that negative energy with everyone else. That one person did something terrible. Now they're hexed in the way. So now they're going to be stuck in that, sitting in that car. And you, you compress that with other negative energy. Now you're just sitting there in this traffic of pattern going, why am I stuck here? Well, if you would have left five minutes earlier, if you would have done this, you would have followed into this frequency of the cadency of, like, getting to a positive place. I went on a rant and I apologize, and I apologize, and I. And I'm grateful for you listening and nodding, but that's kind of like what has unlocked. It's. You're sort of seeing time. You've learned to compress it. I remember my first experience with lsd. I ran off and followed the sound, the love, the colors. My friends found me later, the first thing that came out of my mouth was I've learned to stop time. Like I've learned to just go and breathe, talk about how understanding what it is to be a human being within that energy where your breathing pattern changes, the way you touch things, the way you see things is now just evolved. Talk about that new superpower that you've discovered.
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Charles Patty
It really gave me the ability to sit in the present moment, like you were saying, and just go into my breath. I mean, like go into the observer mode where I'm just watching the movie of life play out. And I love how you keep talking about the frequencies. You know, it's like everything is vibration, everything is frequency. And with the other harmful drugs that we were talking about, I believe that they lower your vibration, lower your frequency. And then when you have these experiences on powerful psychedelic compounds, it raises your vibration and taps you into a different frequency where literally like you can start to maneuver and manifest and really create the life of your dreams.
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Ray Gutierrez
What's it like having a partner that's the third eye is always vibrant and open. What's it like for you?
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Christina Thomas
I've learned a lot.
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Ray Gutierrez
You got yourself a necklace with the third eye.
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Christina Thomas
Is that what. Well, it's like the all seeing eye of God. I mean, if we are, if you took a body of water and you took one drop out of that body of water, well, it's still water, right? So it's the same thing. And we're just one drop of everything. And like we were saying before on the show, as I heal myself, I heal the world. So you have, it's. It's really selfish in a way. You have to do a lot of internal work so that way you can put out that vibration. And the more you can raise your vibration and raise your frequency, the more you can help others around you and lift them up into that.
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Charles Patty
That's one of the most beautifully put ways that like I have this perspective of things now where if we all are a part of this ocean of consciousness, if one, one of the most selfless things that you can do is to be selfish enough to actually heal yourself. Because everything is energy, everything is vibration, everything is frequency. And as I raise my vibration, and I raise my frequency energetically, it ripples out into the rest of the oneness or the rest of the collective consciousness. And so this is why, as I heal myself, I heal the world.
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Ray Gutierrez
Yeah, yeah. Amen to that. Yeah, that's a great, great phrase. It's really funny because the common thread I found with all of our guests, be it legacy makers or women in power, is they don't believe in this one binary source. It's very much this ethereal or beyond explanation, a North Star. What is your North Star? Especially since you can see all of the stars. How do you just focus on that one message that's moving you forward?
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Charles Patty
I believe that in the oneness of everything that, like, this is the evolution of consciousness. And so, listen, I want to let people know, like, I'm not out here telling everybody that, like, Charles, like, I am God. This is God experiencing life through Charles. Yeah, okay.
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Ray Gutierrez
It's life experiencing itself.
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Charles Patty
Yes, exactly right.
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Ray Gutierrez
And.
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Charles Patty
And so what I know now is that if it is the oneness of everything, this whole duality that we've been going through is basically just God doing shadow work. Yeah, Right. And so this is why all I need to do is focus on healing myself and doing this internal work on a daily basis, which is going to propel things in the direction of oneness, where we can manifest collectively a utopic scenario where everything is beautiful.
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Ray Gutierrez
How do you diagnose a patient when they are onboarding and they discover you? How do you feel like? How do you know they need you as opposed to just looking for a fix?
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Charles Patty
I think our doctor does the diagnosing. But that being said, everybody's been through something traumatic in their life. Everybody has something that they need to process. And so it's really based on a lot of, like, with the diagnosis, the intention of the person coming in. If somebody is genuinely looking to heal and take their self to the next level of their life, there's a good chance that they're going to get approved for the treatments if somebody's coming in.
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Christina Thomas
As long as there's no contraindications.
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Charles Patty
Very true. But, like, you know, the voice of
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Ray Gutierrez
reason is always like, whatever it is.
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Charles Patty
Yes. No, she. She does a great job keeping me grounded.
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Ray Gutierrez
No. Hell yeah. Good for you. So what's next for all of you? Like you, you mentioned a new project. Fantastic name. Go ahead and drop it. I want to hear you say, Lucis
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Charles Patty
is our new research center slash resort in the Grenadines. That we are going to be focused initially on extended state DMT studies, and then we are also moving into mdma studies. And we have a license to utilize every psychedelic compound on the planet.
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Ray Gutierrez
Holy moly.
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Charles Patty
But not just limited to that. We actually have a license to manufacture these medicines also, so we can manufacture compounds as well.
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Ray Gutierrez
A lot of folks come here and they're like, my resort this, my resort that. I want to fly everyone out to Costa Rica and have a thing and write books. You folks are completely taking it a different dimension. But folks that are listening are like, what, you're just going to rent out an island and get high? Like, no, no, no, no, no. You guys are. You guys are manifesting. You guys are like a boom, boom, boom, boom. You're sending out a beacon of energy out into the universe and it's going to come right back. Talk about your philosophies of what you're trying to.
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Christina Thomas
I had a mushroom trip that was just that exact.
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Ray Gutierrez
There you go. What's happening in this getaway? What's happening in these intimate moments?
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Charles Patty
It's funny because, like you said, it's a beacon of light in a way. And that's really the way that I see it. It's of the, you know, greatest minds on our planet that can go out and have a legal, medically supervised psychedelic experience that's going to help them transcend trauma or, you know, transform themselves to a higher state of consciousness where then people can go out there and share their stories and help cause this ripple effect of healing out.
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Christina Thomas
We're doing a lot of studies around TBIs and CTEs. We. We're working on a flow state program to help pro athletes just drop into flow state and keep it. And then we're working with several different creatives and. And tapping into creativity programs. So how do you. How do you tap into your creativity?
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Ray Gutierrez
Yeah, this is great for, like, personal ministries because, you know, the download you're getting, the things that you're saying when you're in this flow of energy is very profound. Authors are writing things, musicians are painting. You know, musicians are singing and writing. Painters are painting, whether in this flow state. So the fact that you've essentially put a label on and candid is fantastic. One thing I am worried about is, you know, you see them, they see us. It's like you're essentially connecting our brains to frequencies that we're, quote, unquote, not allowed to tap into. This is just my Christianity speaking. I was saved at 9. I live by Christ, but I also am progressive. I understand that there is a similarity between the psychedelics and what we read in the Bible. How do you talk? How do you tell people that you are the one, the source? And the things that they watch in movies or feel in their heart when they hear music is real?
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Charles Patty
You know, it's funny because if I, like, I aspire to be more and more like Jesus every day. Okay. And like, I've had psychedelic experiences where I've been in the presence of Jesus.
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Ray Gutierrez
Same.
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Charles Patty
All right.
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Ray Gutierrez
Oh, man.
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Charles Patty
The thing is, though, is I think that this message that we're putting out there is the same one that he was putting out to begin with. And, and so, you know, listen, like, if he was putting out that message and he was standing strong by it and stood in his truth and believed what he was saying, and this is the same belief that I have. If Jesus was doing it, I feel comfortable to do it myself.
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Ray Gutierrez
Yeah, I love that.
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Christina Thomas
And I think people have to just be open minded. And this message isn't to be forced on anybody.
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Charles Patty
No.
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Christina Thomas
And it's not to shove it down anybody's throat. And you just have to be open and accepting to a different thought pattern, a different mindset, a different narrative. And then the story might be for you. But we're not here to say. We're not here to shove it down anybody's throat. It's just, if you're ready to listen, come listen.
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Ray Gutierrez
Yeah.
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Charles Patty
And that's the. I think that's the most beautiful thing about this existence too, is that everybody's allowed to believe whatever they want.
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Ray Gutierrez
Absolutely.
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Charles Patty
And, like. And we should all just still love each other and get along. Absolutely. You know, my whole philosophy now is like, observe without judgment. And remember, remember that the answer is always love. I mean, because like, God is love, I am love, you are love, we all are. We just gotta get back to it. And I feel like psychedelic therapy, what it does is it peels another layer of the onion away until we get to the core of who we truly are. Love.
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Ray Gutierrez
So let's talk business. I apologize for being underdressed. You are very well dressed for folks that are hustling ketamine. Talk about presentation, talk about the rooms that you're in, pushing this message, saying, this is the future, get in or get out. Like how you're dressed apart. But what part are you playing?
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Charles Patty
You know, listen, I want to make this digestible for everybody. And so the thing is that showing up appropriately for me with my message that I'm trying to put out there, I think that I need everybody to listen to it. And so I'm never going to pigeonhole myself to only speak to one demographic of people. We've treated from ages 15 to 90 at our facility and from every end of the spectrum. And so, you know, I want the person that's suffering from depression or anxiety to be a believer in this and also the 65 year old soccer grandmother who might be having too many glasses of wine or something. You know, it's like this needs to cater to everybody because we're here to
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Christina Thomas
break taboos and stigmas associated with this therapy.
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Ray Gutierrez
Right on.
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Charles Patty
Yeah.
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Ray Gutierrez
A lot of folks are listening that are very dormant, that are not. They don't understand, they haven't woken up. And I feel like this is an avenue for them to just like this is something they need to unlock their true potential, even if they're in their 90s.
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Christina Thomas
That's so special about My Self Wellness is that we don't put people in boxes, we meet them where they are, we don't push psychedelic therapy on them. But if they're ready for it, then we can open that door for them.
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Ray Gutierrez
Yeah. Are you documenting, are you filming these experiences? How are you letting folks know that this is happening in real time?
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Charles Patty
So we have a podcast, the My Self Wellness Podcast. We do tons of content around this. We actually have a documentary that hasn't went public yet, but really catching people's testimonials and doing the podcast with them and you know, showing from every different walk of life that people could be completely different, had different diagnosis, different backgrounds and, and oddly enough they're doing these treatments and they're having similar experiences and it really goes back to like what we were talking about. A lot of people have oneness experiences. A lot of people have these divine burning bush experiences. People speak with deceased relatives during their treatments or people are processing past traumas that they might have been holding onto for 30, 40, or even 50 years sometimes.
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Ray Gutierrez
I remember living in Tulsa in 2017 and hearing about DMT and it was a 15 minute experience. Now it's something that you feel like you can actually keep people there as long as they need to, to help them heal. Talk about this, this amazing, ambitious idea that you have. It's a technology to expend that 15 minutes into what, 15 hours? 15. Like what, what is your goal here?
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Charles Patty
So it's a technology that was created by Dr. Andrew Gallimore and Rick Strassman. And basically what it is, is a normal DMT session would last for about five, 10, maybe 15 minutes if that. And Dr. Gallimore was like, what could I do to extend this? And he created this protocol with Rick. And now, you know, people are being able to kept in these peak breakthrough states for 30, 60, 90 minutes at a time.
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Christina Thomas
He thinks you can keep people there for days if.
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Charles Patty
Yeah, and we're actually.
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Christina Thomas
So it's an intravenous drip of DMT
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Charles Patty
and we're actually honored to be working with Dr. Gallimore himself on this project.
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Ray Gutierrez
Intravenous drip of DMT for folks that don't know what TMT is, it's essentially the body thinking it's dead.
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Charles Patty
Yeah, so. So dimethyltryptamine, I think it's the key.
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Ray Gutierrez
Fuck yeah, it is.
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Christina Thomas
Entity is found in everything, everything in
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Charles Patty
all living organisms and everything I'm aware.
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Ray Gutierrez
But every single piece of art, being the Mayans, the Egyptians, down to the Bible says don't do that, that's going to open a portal. But here we are, you are just sitting on a giant lip, ready to go.
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Charles Patty
Hey, listen.
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Ray Gutierrez
And I'm here to commend you. Let's do it.
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Charles Patty
Well, like, here's the thing, you know, I get that sometimes, like some people are like, oh, isn't this evil? And like, oh, are you opening portals? And like, how about this? If this is evil, how come it took me from being a strung out heroin addict to having a DMT experience where I received this message that I was supposed to quit taking drugs, I was supposed to heal myself and get my life together so I could help other people heal. That to me sounds beautiful. And it completely saved and transformed my life forever. And I think that what we're doing is a really powerful good thing.
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Ray Gutierrez
And if it was a.
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Christina Thomas
Go ahead, sorry, no. And I think it's people's intentions too, and the intentions of. And the frequency of the person that is holding the frequency of the facility or the clinic or the whatever it is, the retreat, it comes down to that, really. Yeah, I just feel strongly about that.
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Ray Gutierrez
I'm so forward. I have like, what between Rudy and I and these studios, we have like 12, 14 cameras.
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Charles Patty
Please.
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Ray Gutierrez
I'd be more than happy to grab all of them and just point it towards me and just document it because I filmed myself experiencing these and it's, it's a different avatar, it's a different person. And sometimes I, I have a moment of darkness where I'm like, who is the real person that should be on this planet? Is it me that's in front of this camera that's operating under depression, anxiety? Or is it the person that is under the medicine and is ascended and is fully happy and it's just a different energy?
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Christina Thomas
Well, I think it's integrating both of those things. Right. It's integrating your higher self with your shadow, and it's not getting caught in the trap. And that's what psychedelics teach you.
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Ray Gutierrez
Yes.
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Christina Thomas
That you're going to have your good days and you're going to have your bad days, but they help you respond to your bad days better.
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Ray Gutierrez
Oh, yeah.
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Christina Thomas
And that's really what our clients tell us. Especially with the ketamine therapy.
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Charles Patty
If people got an up close and personal look at what happens at our clinic on a daily basis, nobody would think this is a bad thing.
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Ray Gutierrez
Oh, I know.
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Charles Patty
We have people. I have veterans that are suicidal when they walk into our facility. My favorite story to tell is one guy came in marine and he's like, listen, if this doesn't work for me today, I'm ending it. First treatment. If it doesn't work, I'm done. And I was like, just give us a chance. He did his first session and he came out of it and he had tears coming down his eyes. And I was like, so tell me, how was it? He goes, I turned into a bird. I was flying over the landscape. It was so beautiful. And I don't know how to explain it, but everything's connected. The answer is love. And I don't want to hurt my. Myself anymore. Boom. It was like a light switch went off and like, that is powerful. That's saving lives. And if there's something bad about that, then I wouldn't want to be on the other end of what you know.
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Ray Gutierrez
Yeah, you. You got to document this. I really mean it. I'd be more than happy to document my entire process, entire experience, because I. I completely believe it. Because I feel that the darkness, the depression, negative energy just lift. And then I feel this new personality.
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Charles Patty
Yeah.
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Ray Gutierrez
Because Creep in. I'm like, oh, gosh, I wish I was always him, but I'm in this reality with this anxiety. So listening to this is like. And the crazy part is like, if it wasn't for your journey with LSD and psychedelics, you wouldn't be sitting here. And it wasn't for my journey with LSD and psychedelics, none of this would be here. And that's what really blows my mind if you really think about it. And I would hate to take all that credit because we're really in God's divine plan with that, my friends.
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Christina Thomas
But that's all of the plan, right?
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Ray Gutierrez
That's the plan that matters. With that, my friends, how can folks find you? How can folks continue this, this, this
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Charles Patty
journey with you both for my self wellness. You can go to myself wellness.com me personally. You can find me at Charles N Patty on Instagram Charles Patty on Facebook.
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Christina Thomas
Yeah and elusis is on Instagram is elusis mind and the the website is also looses mind dot com.
- [25:52]
Ray Gutierrez
Are you all familiar with vanilla sky? The the film with Tom Cruise? I remember go watch Vanilla sky. It's very much about what you're about to step into and keeping folks in the lucid dream state. It's one of my favorite films. I'm blown away. 48 hours ago I'm writing music with my AI prompt. I'm writing 10 tracks and now I'm having an interview with all of you going wow, lucid dreaming is going to become a thing and you guys are pioneering that.
- [26:15]
Charles Patty
We're lucid dreaming right now.
- [26:17]
Ray Gutierrez
I know there is no spoon wink and with that this is Christina, this is Charles and I'm Ray Gutierrez and we our inside success.