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Haley Jones
I honestly think that a lot of my resilience comes from, you know, and I. I have, you know, the massive story of, like, weight struggle and being £240. And I think the process of, like, losing that weight made me resilient in the sense of, like, psychotically resilient.
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Ray
I don't know for sure. Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
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Haley Jones
Yeah. So I just think that was the first taste of, like, put the effort in. And I know that's, like, very simple. I know that life is, like, I get all that, but I'm just saying, like, you know, it's a choice at the end of the day, like, choose a struggle of, like, staying in the struggle, or choose a struggle of, like, how to get out.
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Ray
What do you feel your legacy is, or what would you like your legacy to be?
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Haley Jones
I would like my legacy to be as silly as this is, and I'm not there yet. But, like, I want to, like, do something, like, world changing, something that's, like, such a big impact that.
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Rudy Moore
My name's Rudy Moore, host of Living the Red Life Podcast, and I'm here to change the way you see your life in your earpiece every single week. If you're ready to start living the red life, ditch the blue pill.
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Haley Jones
Take the red pill.
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Rudy Moore
Join me in Wonderland and change your life.
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Ray
Welcome back to another episode of the Living youg Legacy podcast, the Red Life Edition. Joining me today is another legacy maker. Quite the legacy maker. Gosh, I cannot wait for this one. We literally finished filming her episode today. Haley Jones, all the way from Knoxville.
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Haley Jones
Yes. Go Vault, dude.
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Ray
How do you feel? You literally finished filming your episode today.
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Haley Jones
I feel great. Yeah. I was nervous going into it, but it was great. It was a good time and, you know, cool to kind of share your
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Ray
story and where to begin. I kind of want to do the. The teaser trailer version. What can we learn? What will we learn about your episode?
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Haley Jones
You'll learn about what wrestling, high school, math, and international development and real estate all have in common.
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Ray
Knoxville, I got. I was like, how do I start this podcast? There's gotta be something in the water in Tennessee. Everyone that I meet out of Nashville is amazing, but everyone that I meet from Knoxville is a different level. Talk about what's in the water. What makes you so Knoxvillian?
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Haley Jones
I mean, I think we have a chip on our shoulder because Nashville is great. Okay, I like Nashville, but Knoxville is. We've got the mountains, we've got moonshine, you know, so when you grow up with moonshine, you have. That's what's in the water.
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Ray
Actually, I was going to say, here in Miami, they give you the Cuban coffee at a small age. I started drinking that liquid cocaine very early on, and I don't think my grandmother understood that wasn't good for me. And here I am now. Tada. So, yeah, talk about. Where do we start? I kind of want to just talk about wrestling, but that would be unfair to your journey.
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Haley Jones
We totally can. We can talk about whatever.
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Ray
Okay, Right on. Well, let's talk about your podcast.
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Haley Jones
Okay.
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Ray
It's orange, apparently.
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Haley Jones
Yeah. So it's called Big Orange Business, because the University of Tennessee, we have a saying it's gbo, which is Go Big Orange. And so I was thinking, because I didn't want it to be like, Knoxville business owners. You know what I mean? Like, no one cares. So. And then I also was thinking, okay, what's something that goes with where we are? And so I was like, big orange, Big orange business, Big orange bubble. And so I just always. Then, of course, I went to ChatGPT, which I don't think it was, like, that far along two years ago when this whole thing started, and I was like, what do you think about this? And then I went to my husband, and, of course, you should never do that, you know, because he was like. He had some other ideas, so it just made sense. And I like the. The big. I like the double B situation. So. And also, it. I didn't want it to be like the Haley Jones podcast, because that's not what the intention is. It's about business own in the big Orange. So, like, I say that in my intro, and, you know, business owners doing cool things in the big Orange. So this is kind of another way to say, like, we're in East Tennessee, we're in Knoxville, without saying, this is the Knoxville Business Owners Podcast, you know, so.
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Ray
So how do folks, like, are folks receptive to what you're trying to do with local business owners, or are they skeptical? Do they know what a podcast is? What's been the feedback?
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Haley Jones
I've had great feedback, obviously. You know, I honestly, I feel like growing a podcast is, like a long game, just like YouTube. So I'm really just, you know, working towards consistency. But now I've gotten where people reach out to be on there, and people. I get really great, like, feedback. And again, it's just another way of, like, sharing yourself with people without, you know, vomiting, like, hey, you know. You know, And I. I think for business owners, too, I think that I get a lot of, like, I'm not good on Camera or, you know, like. I don't know. But it's like, it's not about that. Like, we're just having a convers. So I think that actually that's been a really cool thing is for some business owners, they would. They're like, ugh, I'm so nervous. I'm like, you're gonna be fine. Like, I gotcha.
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Ray
Like, we're good.
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Haley Jones
So that's been, I think, kind of cool for some of the people that have been interviewed there. So.
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Ray
Yeah, for sure. Cause I'm sure back in the day or back in the day, I don't know what the hell that means, but, you know, folks weren't used to being entertainers or gestures on camera and kind of hustling their story.
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
Things are dramatically different now. But you kind of always sort of known that because you enjoyed cutting promos as a wrestler, which is kind of like theater coaching or like coaching coaching for entrepreneurs. You had a presence and you understood, you know, life is always in play.
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Haley Jones
Yeah. And I think I just always knew that. I always had this way of, like, getting a reaction, I guess, and I'd
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Ray
still pop, as they call it. A pop.
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Haley Jones
Exactly. Don't mess with me side talk here. Yeah, I always just kind of knew that. And I also knew I had it in like a. Well, I think when you teach math, too, you have to have it.
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Ray
Yeah.
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Haley Jones
Cause no one cares. I mean, come on.
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Ray
The next line of questioning. You were a math teacher that was skeptical about the teaching of math.
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Haley Jones
Yeah, exactly. So, you know, I just think. I guess I've just always kind of had this. I mean, my very first, like, monologue was, like, for a church play. And I remember getting up there and I was like, I killed that. You know, And I was like 5 years old or something. So I've always had this, like.
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Ray
I don't know, were you on stage going, I will be playing the role of Lucifer? I'm like, what?
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Haley Jones
No, I was not the Devil.
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Ray
No. Talk about your experiences, like taking a bump, cutting promos, going into the ring, and then kind of just brushing that off and having your day job.
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Haley Jones
Yeah, well, so I. I got into wrestling. This is so lame. Okay. It's so freaking.
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Ray
I'm still here for it because I
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Haley Jones
am a, like, reality tv, like, junkie. Okay. Seriously. So there was a show called Total Divas, and it was, like, about all the women in wwe. And I was training with, like, like a professional, like a. Like a physical. Not a physical therapist, like a trainer, like a, you know, personal trainer. There we go.
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Ray
There you go.
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Haley Jones
And I was like, I watched this show, and her name's Kelsey. And I was like, kelsey, I think I want to be a wrestler. And she was like, haley, come the fuck off, okay? And I was like, no, I'm serious. They get to travel. They get to entertain. They are actual athletes. Like, they're cool as hell. And, like, what's wrong with that? Like, that's so cool. And she was like, come on. So fast forward, like, three years, randomly, I learned that. So our mayor in Knox county is Kane. Like, the wrestler Kane.
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Ray
I so badass. Long lost brother of the Undertaker.
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Haley Jones
Yes. Thank you.
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Ray
His debut was Hell in a Cell with Shawn Michaels, and Undertaker was one of my favorite matches.
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Haley Jones
Sorry. We have a true, like, wrestling guy.
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Ray
I'm sorry.
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Haley Jones
So it's Kane, Glenn Jacobs, and Tom Prichard. So Tom Pritchard is the brother of Bruce Prichard, who is like, if you watch any, even if you go today and look on any of the specials that are out that, like, you'll see Bruce Pritchard talking. Tom Pritchard is, like, the guy that trained, like, the Rock, the Miz, like, all of them. And so anyways. And I didn't know who they were at the time. I got to this through Total divas. Okay. So let's just keep that in mind. So anyways, I learned that they were opening a wrestling school in Knoxville.
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Ray
As they showed you.
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Haley Jones
Yeah. And I guess, like, apparently Glenn had been asking Dr. Tom to do this, like, forever. And Dr. Tom was like, I'm not doing it, because there was, like, stuff that went down with wwe. I don't know, the whole thing. Anyways, whatever. So I learn about this wrestling school. It's, like, December 25th, okay? And this wrestling school is starting, like, January 3rd. I'm teaching math full time. Like, legit. Okay. And so I email.
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Ray
Hi. This is how you people email.
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Haley Jones
I sent an email. I'm like, hi, I'm Haley Jones. I'm 35, and I want to be a wrestler. And Dr. Tom was like, well, actually, his assistant was like, whoa, we need to come meet you. And then Dr. Tom was like, you're in. So I did it. I went to the training. It was 16 weeks, five days a week, four hours a day.
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Ray
Holy shit. Awesome.
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Haley Jones
Plus, like, cutting promos, like, all this. So anyways, my very first day there, Dr. Tom goes to the ring, and he's, like, teaching us, like, what a bump is, okay? And I'm telling you this, man. You basically do a handstand and Fling your body on the mat so you land flat so you don't, like, jack your neck up and you make as much noise as physically possible without injuring yourself. And he just goes like, bah. And I was like, that's what this is. And I just thought, like, I don't think I can do that.
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Ray
What?
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Haley Jones
And that was like, my first five minutes there. This is the first time. I know, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, that just tells you, like, what I saw in Total Divas versus, like, the reality of it is, like, it is very physical.
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Ray
Oh. Yeah.
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Haley Jones
So anyways, that was my very first five minutes in wrestling. And obviously now, like, I could take a bump. Now, I'm not in wrestling ring shape in the sense of that. Because at first your body is like, God, the first, like, two weeks, you're like, I. Like, I can't. I can't do this. And then eventually it's like when you hit the ropes, you're so bruised at first, and then you just get used to it.
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Ray
I was gonna say the ropes are way harder, way worse than the bumps.
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Haley Jones
Totally. So anyways, that was just. And then, you know, you eventually do, like, Hurricane Ranas and like, all this stuff, and you're like, oh, my God. Like, you know, it's. You know, you put people on a headlock and flip them over. Like, it's just crazy.
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Ray
But, yeah, but it's cool because I. I've always said, well, we can go into your. Your. Your. Your saga of being a teacher. I'm sure you learned far more in the wrestling ring as versus in. In a classroom. Can you talk about some of your skepticism? Teaching.
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
Just teaching.
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Haley Jones
Yeah. So, you know, teaching. Like, I wanted to be a lawyer. That's, like, what I wanted to do. Okay. So I went and took the lsat. It was a shit show. My professor was like, what were you doing during the test? And I was like, I don't know. I was nervous. My whole life depended on it. So I did a horrible job, and I had enough classwork to be highly qualified in education in math, and I passed the state test, so that made me qualified to be a math teacher. Okay. You know, so I didn't know what I wanted to do, so I thought, okay, well, I'll be a math teacher. Well, I got a job in. It's called Fraser High School, and it is a very, like, rough place in Memphis. And I walked in the first day and I was like, I don't know what this is. It was like tears and. Tears and horror. You know, it was bad but what. You know, the process of that was like, I never even liked math. And I had had a math teacher in high school say, like, you'd be a great teacher. So that's when I, you know, failed the lsat, for lack of a better word. I was like, well, I guess I'll be a good math teacher. So then I get a job not knowing, and I should have known, like, looking back. So they have, like, career fairs, right? Well, first of all, nobody wants to be a math teacher, okay? No, it's. Nobody really wants to do that. Okay?
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Ray
It's not true.
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Haley Jones
Well, you know, so anyways, basically, there's a lot of open math positions, okay? Because there's not. You know, if you have a math degree, like, you could go be an engineer somewhere and make a lot more money than, like, being a math teacher. Not that it's all about the money, but, you know, that's a whole other conversation. Anyways, so they have, like, career fairs, and you go to, like, cafeteria to table, to cafeteria table, and you talk to the different, like, principals. And this principal's like, have you taught before? And I was like, no, ma'. Am. She's like, what do you. What's your favorite math standard? And I was like, math. I was like, well, actually, I'm not familiar with the math standards. And then she's like. And like, I obviously had no idea what I'm doing. I answer all that, and she goes, you're hired. Red flag. Fucking flag. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're hired.
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Ray
You're perfect.
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Haley Jones
I was like. I just literally, basically said, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. Like, put me in front of kids, you know? So anyways, I should have known. And, like. Anyway, so that all started this. The realization that, like, for those kids that I was teaching, they were in survival mode. I mean, there was, like, massive poverty. There was just gang stuff going on. I mean, one day I hear you hear, like, helicopters. And my students were like, oh, we're getting shot at again. And I was like, what? They're like, yeah, this is normal. Like. And you're just like, this is different. Yeah. So anyways, all that to say, here I am trying to be like, this is what an exponential function is. Like, let's solve quadratic equations. Like, ma', am, I need a man.
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Ray
I'm trying to survive.
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Haley Jones
Yeah, exactly.
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Ray
I haven't had a meal in three days.
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Haley Jones
Ma'.
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Rudy Moore
Am.
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Haley Jones
Yeah, please shut up.
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Ray
Yes.
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Haley Jones
And here I am like, oh, let's solve equations. And it's like, so that was kind of my first dip into this idea of, like, we're really doing a disservice. Like, we have these kids here with us, but we don't even. We're not even serving what they need. And in a sense, you know, I do think education is important, but also, it's like, you cannot, like, overlook, like, what's happening in a kid's life. Oh, sure, you can't. Like, that's not gonna be helpful, you know.
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Ray
So, anyway, yeah, it's. It's. That's. That's a completely different podcast. But I completely agree that there's a sense of dissertation with the child, especially when folks are kind of turning their back on them. They only have their dev is. That's one vice. And then they have the community around them that's giving them this very dark, you know, revelation of the culture of, like, dude, you're on your own. Welcome to the club. And it's just like, well, great, now you're exposed to gang violence.
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Haley Jones
Gangs, right.
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Ray
All sorts of. All sorts of things.
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
Talk about how you prevented all that. Like, you prevented that lifestyle. You. You bobbed and weaved. Yeah, you, resilience is. Your face is right next to the word resilience. Like, talk about a little bit of that and how you inspire folks today.
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Haley Jones
Yeah, I think I just have this. I mean, I think. Well, I honestly think that a lot of my resilience comes from, you know, when I. I have, you know, the massive story of, like, weight struggle and being £240. And I think the process of, like, losing that weight made me resilient in the sense of, like, that was the first kind of taste of, like, you don't have to accept the current situation.
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Ray
Yeah.
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Haley Jones
You know what I mean? And I would. Did not grow up in, like, a bad, you know, in poverty or any of that. I didn't have that story, but I did have, you know, the whole. I think weight journey and weight struggle really actually is what has made me be, like, psychotically resilient.
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Ray
I don't know for sure. Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
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Haley Jones
Yeah. So I just think that was the first taste of, like, put the effort in. And I know that's, like, very simple. I know that life is, like, I get all that, but I'm just saying, like, you know, it's a choice at the end of the day, like, choose a struggle of, like, staying in the struggle, or choose a struggle of, like, how to get out, you know?
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Ray
Yeah, I kind of know what you mean. I've always been fairly in good shape. But I went through a moment where I ballooned to like 190, almost £200. I'm 5 7, so you can imagine it was a little chubby little thing. And I saw myself on camera, like, wow, that's not good. But then the moment I lost it all, I dropped like 60, 70 pounds. I was like this tiny little twerk 130 and everything fit on me and everyone just like, was breaking neck and my career soared. I was like, wow.
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
I'm not sure if I should be feeling good about this or kind of like cynical or it's like, hey, now that I'm whatever the good term is, good looking or attractive, y' all want to work with me now?
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
Yeah, I know, right? It's like squinty eyes and look at us now. Like, we put in our dues, we've got some wrestling promos, and now we're living quite the red life. Talk about your journey. Podcasting.
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
And folks like, like, looking up to you for like, that fuck you attitude.
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Haley Jones
Yeah, I think, I think. Well, I think now people, especially when
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Ray
it comes to trying to sell homes.
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Haley Jones
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Well, selling homes is, you know, what's interesting is like, when I started, I thought like, the other agents were my enemies. Like, sure, these are my enemies. And over time, you're like, no, I need you to work with me so we can make this happen. And so that's kind of my mentality when it comes to real estate is like, yeah, we're going to get it done. But also, like, we don't need to, like, come in guns a blazing. Like, there's a way to get this done so it's like, pleasant for people and we can actually get to the closing table. But I think also too with real estate, I say, I tell my clients a lot of times, like, I am not pushy until it's time to like, yeah, turn it on for sure. Because there's moments where, like, that's not needed and there's other moments where it's like, you need to get your together. Like, this is. This is what we're doing, you know, So I think that, you know, that's been. I think, you know, from that perspective and I'm, I'm just honest. Like, if your house smells like, I'm going to tell you, sure. Like, it smells. And sometimes people don't like that. And I'll, you know, I'll say it softly like, hey, I just, I don't mean this. Don't, you know, whatever Just let me tell you something.
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Ray
Yeah.
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Haley Jones
Your house smells like dog pee. Okay. Like, and that's not good. And I think that I'd have a way of, like, delivery for that. But it's also just, like, a brutal honesty of, like. It's not honesty for, like. Like to be mean. It's honesty to, like, out of, like, this is. We have. People are gonna say that your house smells horrible.
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Ray
Sure.
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Haley Jones
So let's acknowledge that now and, like, let's address it.
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Ray
You know, does that brutal honesty come from not being born and raised in Knoxville or your world travels? Like. Like, you know, marathons or. In seven different continent continents and seven different days? Like, you've got quite the. The. What's the word I'm looking for here? The adventures of world travel. I feel like when you're experiencing that, you're building some sort of resilience where it's like, you don't take shit for. For. You don't take shit from anyone.
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Haley Jones
Yeah, pretty much. Well, I think it's just also, like, let's acknowledge the elephant in the room. Like, we're having a conversation, but we not actually acknowledging the thing that's, like, in the way. So I think that's part of it, too, is like, okay, well, yeah, we can sell this house, but, like, this is the objections we're going to get. So, like, let's adjust accordingly rather than, like, let's act like. Like, let's cover our eyes and not act like. You know what I mean? So I don't necessarily know where it comes from, but I do. Like, you know, when it. Like when you talk about, like, disciplining students, right? Like, I used to be very, like, oh, you should listen to me. Like, and that is not effective. Right? But a kid is, like, being an a hole. You can be like, hey, man, like, do you see how that could hurt somebody's feelings? Like, and they're like, you know what? Now, some of them, it's not that easy. I get it. But if you just say, like, what the brutal truth is, or, like, you know, kids can be mean, and you can say, like, hey, I worked really hard on this to make this good, and I failed, so I am so sorry. You know, like, just be brutally honest about what's going on. Like, what's the elephant in the room? Let's just say what it is, and let's get past it.
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Ray
Right on.
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Haley Jones
You know?
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Ray
Cool. Let's. Let's wrap it up with some legacy questions. We just finished filming your episode for Legacy Makers. What do you feel Your legacy is, or what would you like your legacy to be?
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Haley Jones
I would like my legacy to be as silly as this is, and I'm not there yet. But, like, I want to, like, do something, like, world changing, something that's, like, such a big impact that, you know, the world is different. And I know that theoretically, by living here and, you know, being on the planet and the butterfly effect and, like, whatever, you're technically doing that just because you exist. But I want to do it at, like, a level, you know what I mean, where it's like, I did something that's like, Haley Jones did that, you know, so. And in terms of, like, you know, for me, where I feel like I sit in that process is like, I've had so many experiences, I think, like, all of it, like, the dots will eventually connect, and I don't really know, like, what the. I don't know what dot pattern we're drawing quite yet, you know, so.
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Ray
Yeah, I love that. I don't know what kind of dot pattern we're drawing just yet. I always look at the stars. I'm like, I like that pattern. Yeah, those are quite cool. Yeah. Oh, right on. So Haley Jones. Great name, by the way. Haley Jones Homes.
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Haley Jones
Yes.
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Ray
Dot com.
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Haley Jones
Yes.
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Ray
Is your. Is your. Is your main funnel?
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
What is your podcast?
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Haley Jones
The podcast is the big orange business podcast. Yeah.
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Ray
Cool. All right. Anything else we'd like to plug before we wrap up today, Haley?
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Haley Jones
Yeah, just find me on Instagram. That's where I am. Go to Instagram. Okay. And if you're going to troll me in the comments, I'm not going to answer.
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Ray
But if they do troll you, is there something they should say to get your attention? Like, wizzle. Wazzle. Is there like, a code word? That way they know that you. They heard the podcast.
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Haley Jones
Oh, Say, what's up, Hazel?
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Ray
Hazel.
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Haley Jones
Yeah.
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Ray
What's up, Hazel?
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Haley Jones
That's because Hazel's my ringmaster. That's my wrestling name, so.
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Ray
Really?
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Haley Jones
Yeah. Hazel the ringmaster. That's right.
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Ray
Hazel the ringmaster. Cool. I was gonna have you cut another promo, but we've got that for your episode, so you're gonna have to tune in and. Yeah. Gosh, such a great episode. It's always fun to have a one degree of separation from Kane. Fun fact that was. I was Undertaker's neighbor in Austin, Texas. We didn't live next to each other, but I can. I can.
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Haley Jones
Yes.
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Ray
I'm like, he's next door. Because he had a huge thing before he moved.
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Haley Jones
He's a literal giant, just like Kanus Yeah.
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Ray
And he's a sweetheart. He's a gentleman.
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Haley Jones
Right.
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Ray
He's got a great podcast too, him and his wife. Right on. Well, thank you so much for. For your energy and time. I hope you had a splendid time. Yes. And yes. That concludes another episode of the Living your legacy podcast. This is Hailey. I'm Ray, and we are inside Success
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Haley Jones
sat.