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Trump gives Iran and Israel a stern talking to, Pete Hegseth calls for a journalistic 23AndMe, and Zohran Mamdani ushers in the Great Libbing Out of 2025. On the show, John Leguizamo gets fired up, Anthony Carrigan and Aristotle Athari offer some good guesses about some very bad boys, and we all let freedom ring in honor of Independence Day, which required Lovett to explain Jar Jar Binks’ whole deal? Anyway, Happy Fourth of July, and see you in a few weeks! Upcoming shows: crooked.com/events
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John Lovett
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John Leguizamo
Israel? As soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs, the likes of which I'd never seen. The biggest load that we've seen, I'm not happy with this year.
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John Lovett
Israel was straight shooting ropes with this one. Happy pride, everybody. All right, the President continued.
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John Leguizamo
We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
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John Lovett
Do you understand that? Iran and Israel just kiss already. That was. That was a good moment for him. We can just face it. That was just like. That was. If you like him, I get why that was cool. Deal with it. Deal with it. And then imagine Joe Biden dealing with this situation. Absolute fucking nonsense coming out of his mouth. It's worth thinking about. And then Trump's claim that Iran's nuclear facilities had been obliterated was contradicted by a preliminary classified U.S. report, which found that the American strikes had sealed off the entrances to two of the nuclear sites, but hadn't actually destroyed the underground buildings, only setting back the program by a few months. As quiet fell over the laboratory, Arman and Reza jumped to their feet and embraced. We're alive. Arman shouted, the hug lasting a moment too long, raised his hand, brushing his fellow nuclear scientist's neck as they withdrew. Soon the men realized they'd be trapped down here alone for months. The facility had supplies and generators. They'd be okay until the entrance could be cleared. But the unspoken part, always unspoken, now unbearable. Did Arman feel it, too? They shared so much the same ambivalence, the same terror. They'd been down here spinning vials, slowly enriching uranium 235 to a concentration of 60%, a wink away from bomb grade nuclear fuel. But they'd also allowed another illicit fuel to enrich Their hearts, a place no inspectors could ever reach. What about their wives? What about freedom from this place, this life? Trapped under a rock, trapped between Mossad and Ayatollah, Trapped between the light of science and the darkness of ambition. Or perhaps at long last, here in the rubble of the Shahid Ali Mohammadi nuclear facility at Fordo, where Arman and Reza finally free. The US report also said that Iran had moved its stockpile of enriched uranium before the strikes. Israel basically goaded Trump into a high stakes game of three card Monty and we're the dumb tourists stuck trying to find the lady. No, honey, I'm really fucking close to finding the enriched uranium. I'm $2 billion in on these targeted strikes, but I'm this close to winning it all back. And that's the one that didn't work. After all of that, everybody told me the Armand Raises story would fall like a fucking piece of shit. And it worked. And then, no, you had my back. But a bunch of people did it. A bunch of people did it. I want you all to know something. Tomorrow we're recording a video, a video of biggest bombs from Love it or Leave it. And Bill, our producer, supposed to have my fucking back is like, are you doing this? So we have more material for tomorrow. And then what? Halle said helpfully, well, it's your show and it is my show and it is my show. During a press conference at the NATO summit on Wednesday, Trump denied the intelligence report and continued to claim that the US Strikes had destroyed Iran's nuclear program.
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Anthony Carrigan
Is there any indication from US Intelligence that Iran was able to move any material, including.
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John Leguizamo
No, just the opposite. We think we hit them so hard and so fast, they didn't get to move.
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John Lovett
I guess we'll never know the truth until a few months from now when Iran has a nuclear bomb. Also at the NATO summit, former Dutch Prime Minister and NATO Secretary General Mark Rudde called Trump daddy for scolding Iran and Israel.
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John Leguizamo
They're not going to be fighting each other. They've had it. They've had a big fight. Like two kids in a schoolyard. You know, they fight like hell. You can't stop them. Let them fight for about two, three minutes, then it's easier to stop them.
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John Lovett
And then Daddy has to sometimes use strong language to get strong language.
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John Leguizamo
Every once in a while you have to use a certain word.
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John Lovett
And what word would that be? Donald. I'm going to come. All right. I'm sorry. Happy pride. All right. You think a grown man calling Trump daddy can't get any creepier and then you hear it in a Dutch accent. Trump then addressed the daddy remark with the press later. Mark Rutter, the NATO chief, who is your friend? He called you Daddy earlier. Do you regard your NATO allies as kind of children?
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Anthony Carrigan
No.
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John Leguizamo
He likes me. I think he likes me. If he doesn't, I'll let you know. I'll come back and I'll hit him hard, okay? He did it very affectionately. Daddy, you're my daddy.
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John Lovett
No, please don't hit me hard, mark Ruta said in response, baring his trembling ass. Speaking of trembling asses, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth held a press conference on Thursday, most of which he spent railing against the media for reporting on his own department's initial assessment of US Strikes. Because you, and I mean specifically you, the press, specifically you, the press corps.
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John Leguizamo
Because you cheer against Trump so hard it's like in your DNA and in your blood to cheer against Trump because.
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John Lovett
You want him not to be successful.
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John Leguizamo
So bad, you have to cheer against.
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John Lovett
The efficacy of these strikes. Does Pete think that being a journalist is innate? It's nurture, not nature, babe, People aren't born with reporter genes. They become reporters when no one invites them to parties in high school. Now, I guess it could be epigenetic, but Pete doesn't know what that is. I don't know what that is. Hegseth continued to attack the press rather than answer their questions. Are you certain none of that highly.
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John Leguizamo
Enriched uranium was moved? Of course.
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John Lovett
We're watching every single aspect. But Jennifer, you've been about the worst, the one who misrepresents the most intentionally, what the president says. I'm familiar about the ventilation shafts on.
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John Leguizamo
Saturday night, and in fact, I was.
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John Lovett
The first to describe the B2 bombers.
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John Leguizamo
The refueling, the entire mission with great accuracy.
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John Lovett
So I take issue with that. Now, these two used to work together at Fox, so it does feel personal. Pete's acting like she stole his lunch out of the break room fridge and drank it all. On Tuesday, Trump told congressional Republicans not to leave D.C. for the July 4th holiday before passing his big, beautiful bill. It's okay. I didn't have any plans anyway, said Mike Johnson, placing the box of hooks and leather straps labeled old photos back on the top shelf of his closet in front of the gun. The Senate spent all week rushing to finish the bill, adding even steeper cuts than the House version, including slashing food assistance programs, restricting eligibility for Medicaid, and cutting a tax that funds rural hospitals. You know, like when you're putting the finishing touches on a cake by injecting it with bleach. Mitch McConnell offered words of assurance to skittish senators afraid of the bill's unpopular health care cut, saying, and this is a quote, I know a lot of us are hearing from people back home about Medicaid, but they'll get over it. Time heals all wounds, said McConnell, even though he is personally covered with wounds that will not heal. In one positive development, the Senate parliam struck a provision that would have opened up more than 250 million acres of federal land for sale. Which sucks because I was excited about that Panda Express at the top of Mount Rainier. But speaking of feeling sick, in a 6:3 decision on Thursday, the Supreme Court conservative majority ruled that states can cut off Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood, even for non abortion healthcare, like physicals, STD treatments, vaccines, gynecological exams and cancer screenings, finally eradicating the number one cause of abortions, women being alive. We take the news as it comes. I don't like it either, but when they go low, we go socialism In a stunning victory, Zoran Mandani won New York's Democratic mayoral primary over Andrew Cuomo, or what Fox News is calling the 624 attack 6 we now go live to Cuomo's response after the first round of votes was counted. Cuomo was reportedly so shocked he almost dropped the tits he was groping. After conceding, Cuomo was returned to the maximum security wing of Arkham Asylum. Now some say Mamdani's victory is a threat to the Democratic Party, as if Chuck Schumer is somehow a real Democrat and Mamdani pulled a fast one. You can find versions of this take from Mamdani's critics and his defenders, but it misses the point. The Democratic Party belongs to the people in it, and the people want a hot guy with a sense of humor who likes trans people and knows what the slice of pizza should cost and fine, I'll run for mayor. Brad Lander, the city's controller who had cross endorsed Mamdani, spoke eloquently on Cuomo's loss. Andrew Cuomo is in the past. He is not the present or future of New York City. Good fucking riddance. I love how Lander said New York City a socialist wins in New York and now every politician sounds like Bain and you think that's a joke, but look at how CNBC was crashing out over this result. I don't want to go here, but Gotham, if you've seen where what Batman is up against in Gotham and what the guy running for Mayor is up again. That's what it reminds me of. They're taking Wall Streeters and making walk out onto the ice in the east river as in hope and then they fall through. I mean there is a class warfare that's going, so what's happened here? I think the rich type terrifying stuff. Have you heard about this with Mamdani? There's this pink sludge flowing in the old subway tunnels beneath the city, activated by human emotion, centered around the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It's gaining power as we speak. What's happening in New York is insane. The maga, right, meanwhile, reacted to Mandani's victory. About as you'd expect. New York City has fallen, wrote Donald Trump Jr. Quoting a post that said, I'm old enough to remember when New Yorkers endured 911 instead. Instead of voting for it. Not me. I'm too young to remember 9 11. I read about it in books. I mean, I saw tiktoks about it. I'm just receiving word that a second Mamdani has won the primary. Marjorie Taylor Greene posted a photo of the Statue of Liberty in a burqa with the caption this hits hard. Obviously. Marjorie Taylor Greene's love and concern for New York City is well known. Here's what she said about a recent visit. I can't comprehend how people live there. It was repulsive. It smells bad. And I just. I think it's a terrible place. Now we here in LA know that she has a point. No, okay, stop it. Stop it. These are people that fucking hate New York. They hate New Yorkers, they villainize places and people that don't live exactly how they want people to live. These are the kinds of people that only love New York immediately after 911 and immediately after Jersey Boys. Stephen Miller wrote on X NYC is the clearest warning yet of what happens to a society when it fails to control migration. The immigrants grow up to love the city so much, they run for mayor. They generate so much excitement. It stops a disgraced creep from clawing his way back to power. And the food is amazing. Don't threaten us with a good time. I've been struggling to articulate this. Obviously, Stephen Miller is like such a twerp, but he's now, they're all now coming out and basically saying it. It's not about undocumented or illegal immigration. It's about stopping legal immigration. That every problem can be drawn not back to undocumented immigration, but their ultimate target, which is just stopping people from coming to this country. And a few of Them, they're so in a bubble. They're so convinced of something which is just not true. They're convinced that everybody agrees with them, but they're just afraid to say it. So now they're feeling more and more comfortable and emboldened to just come and describe places as the Third World. They don't want immigrants from what they call the Third World. They're being more and more, as we see in these posts about Mamdani, openly bigoted, openly racist. But with Miller, there's something revealing about the way they talk about places they don't know or care about. The way that he talks about New York. Stephen Miller's family and my family came at roughly the same time to America through New York when Jews were escaping pogroms in Eastern Europe. They went all the way to Santa Monica, but people come through Ellis Island. The New York accent, the accent that a lot of Jews took with them from New York, a lot of Italians took with them, is born of Dutch immigrants, British immigrants, Italian immigrants, Irish immigrants, and a lot of Jewish immigrants. And what's interesting about Miller is his family ends up in California. And so I describe Stephen Miller as a C. Santa Monica fascist. Why? Because he has that California accent with just a twinge of that thing you can't escape, which is that Jewish accent. But that means his accent is a combination of two things. One, the melting pot of New York City and the other, the California accent, which is itself born of the diversity of Southern California. So even as he spits this venom to saying that something has changed and gone wrong in this country, he speaks like a fucking immigrant because we all do. He says in this post that New York was once a symbol of American dominance, which is his only way of seeing the world. Like, that's how you compliment a place by its quote, unquote, dominance, right? Like, he can't appreciate. Like, these are people going around declaring that they're gonna make America better, they're gonna fix what's broken in America. They don't know, like, care about what makes America good at all. They don't understand it. They have no love for any place they have no pride in. All they have is this idea of dominance. And I actually. It's very, very scary and it's very dangerous, but it's also a kind of weakness. And I was walking around in la, and while these immigration crackdowns, these terrible crackdowns which have been scaring people, the people that make LA work, and communities all across la, the jacaranda trees were turning and they were all this beautiful shade of purple and they're all over Los Angeles. And it just struck me that I imagine Stephen Miller, who claims to be from here, while, ha, hating all of us and hating Los Angeles. I wonder if he ever noticed what makes LA so beautiful, right? All the people in this wonderful place that so many people came and I assume no, right. I assume that's never been something that he would glance up and marvel at the beauty of this nature and this wonderful place we all get to live. And maybe that's a source of strength because for the same reason, they can't see that, they assume we all have the same hateful, negative, vicious, zero sum mentality about the world. But the good news is that we don't. And there was a new poll that came out today from, I think it was a Quinnipiac poll, and it found that as they've been blasting the country with this propaganda about the chaos in the cities and the violence in our streets and the criminal aliens that are all around us, slowly but surely support for legalizing undocumented immigrants, giving them status in our country, has slowly but surely been creeping up, not a little, by a lot, by like 15 points, as his immigration approval has slowly trended down. And to me, that's a sign of hope. Because as much as they're so hate filled and as much as they are so mean spirited and cruel and they will exact a lot of pain and cause a lot of misery, they don't understand how other people think or feel because they can't believe that anybody would have more compassion or love or joy or beauty that we do. And I think that's how we beat them. And I think that you see that in how what happened in New York. I think you see that in the protests we've had over the last couple of weeks. And it gives me hope about what's going to happen in the next couple months in the midterms and beyond. So that was just rambling. But Trump himself weighed in on Wednesday, writing on Truth Social. We've had radical lefties before, but this is getting a little ridiculous. He looks terrible about Mamdani. His voice is grating, he's not very smart. And even our great Palestinian Senator Kryon, Chuck Schumer, is groveling over him. What was that? Said Schumer, Seven bagels falling out of his mouth. Let me put this latke down and see what Trump's saying about me. Trump also lost all credibility in saying that Mamdani looks terrible. Mamdani looks like he's the coolest professor at Handsome University. Look at how good looking this guy is. More like 6911. Speaking of slips of the tongue, a Colorado state attorney accidentally. This is this. A Colorado attorney accidentally called a judge honey on a court livestream. And I'm sorry to tell you this. This is like. This video is like the ring. We're all. I'm gonna make. We all are gonna watch it in full.
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Anthony Carrigan
Separate.
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John Lovett
Okay, but it wasn't three separate. Let's go with what happened in the case.
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Anthony Carrigan
But, honey. Or. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that. I don't know what to say to that. I apologize.
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John Lovett
Okay, go ahead.
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Anthony Carrigan
The question here is what happened? I'm sorry. I've just been totally thrown.
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John Lovett
Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. I'm a little thrown by that also, if I'm being honest.
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Anthony Carrigan
No, I don't know what to say.
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John Leguizamo
It's just.
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John Lovett
Okay, well, go ahead. You've only got a minute and seven. It says here that he gave himself the death penalty. Tough but fair. I just think it is incredible that arguing with a woman subconsciously raised a honey from the depths. A good moment to do a quick ad for my new online course, the John Lovett masterclass in faking a seizure. You gotta go down and start shaking. Only way up. A New Jersey lifeguard was impaled by a beach umbrella during strong winds on Wednesday. She was alert and taken to the hospital to be treated. The umbrella went through her shoulder and out through her back, protruding by about a foot. And you know what that means. Six more weeks of summer. They had to use a band saw to cut the umbrella's pole to get her in the ambulance. Oh, no. My umbrella said the worst people on the beach. The lifeguard, still recovering in the hospital, also told ABC7 that she was bummed when she found out she had to take six weeks off. You hear that, Hallie? She was impaled. Oh, you're tired from writing jokes. Need a break? It's been months since I stabbed you. And finally, singer Leann Rimes revealed her fake teeth fell out of her mouth mid concert on Sunday, forcing her to run off stage to replace them. But I think we've all had that nightmare where leann Rimes teeth fall out. Anyway, congrats to the witch Brandi Glanville hired. Your magic is powerful. Much respect. Coming up. It's the best John to ever grace this stage. John Leguizamo.
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Anthony Carrigan
Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of love it or leave.
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John Lovett
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John Leguizamo
Great monologue.
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John Lovett
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.
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John Leguizamo
Enjoyed it.
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John Lovett
I like to think you're always back there watching, and it inspires me week after week. But today, here you are, finally.
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John Leguizamo
I'll always be there for you, man. I'll always be. I always have you back.
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John Lovett
Oh, that means the world to me.
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John Leguizamo
You sound sarcastic.
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John Lovett
I don't. Ah, it's my voice. That happened earlier today. Third time today.
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John Leguizamo
Sarcastic.
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John Lovett
Yeah. Third time today.
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John Leguizamo
You have a little sarcasm.
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John Lovett
So it's something I gotta work on.
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John Leguizamo
Yeah, yeah.
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John Lovett
We're not all perfect.
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John Leguizamo
No, but it's a good thing. Are you a New Yorker?
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John Lovett
Yeah.
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John Leguizamo
Yeah. That's part of our culture.
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John Lovett
It's part of it. It's part of it. So you have a new Apple TV show called Smoke, which just came out, and you play an arson investigator turned porn director. Did you do any kind of research for the role?
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John Leguizamo
Yes, I'm very method. I'm a very method actor. So I watch a lot of porn for it, but just for the angles and the editing, not for the content. No, no.
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John Lovett
Just understand the shot. The shot.
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John Leguizamo
Yes. Yes. Cause I was a porn director, not. I wasn't in front of the camera. I was behind the camera.
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John Lovett
Right. Like, when do you punch in.
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John Leguizamo
The money shot?
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John Lovett
Money shot.
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John Leguizamo
When is the money shot?
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John Lovett
The money shot. When they pay for the pizza.
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John Leguizamo
Yeah.
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John Lovett
Now you have. We were talking about this. You have one of my favorite interview moments of all time. And you're not gonna know what it is.
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John Leguizamo
No. How would I? I was just there. Yeah, yeah.
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John Lovett
So you were doing an interview. It was. I think they've gotten you up at like 7 in the morning to do one of the Today show or one of these shows.
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John Leguizamo
Was I grumpy or no?
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John Lovett
Yes, you were. No, you were. You were honest. You. It was you. It was you.
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John Leguizamo
And so I was grumpy and bitchy.
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John Lovett
You were promoting one of the Ice Age movies was a sequel, and you're sitting there with the whole cast and it's Queen Latifah and Ray Romano and the host of the show says, what keeps you guys coming back to do another one of these movies? I think, like, Dennis Leary looked over and kind of smirked and nobody knew what to say. And you just kind of lean forward and you're like, the money.
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John Leguizamo
The money was incredible. Well, I'm not gonna lie. It was the most money I have ever seen and will ever see in my life. Because they made a huge mistake. They thought that the movie was gonna fail. So they didn't do a contract with us to continue. And the thing blew up and was this juggernaut. It was huge. And then they had to renegotiate with me and I went for it.
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John Lovett
I'm glad you did.
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John Leguizamo
I got every.
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John Lovett
Yeah, yeah, you get them.
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John Leguizamo
Yeah.
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John Lovett
It just was such a funny moment because you had all just admitted that you go into a studio by yourselves, record for a while, and then the movie comes out and it's like, oh, yeah. On set. We became a family. Of course it was for the fucking money.
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John Leguizamo
No, but I love the character. I do love. I love doing. Mel Blanc was my hero. So whenever I do all these animated movies like Encanto and Dora the Explorer. Dora and all the stuff that I do, I really love what I do. And I try to really create a real character that I believe in.
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John Lovett
We were talking about Nobody cares. No, they were moved. They're thinking about the money. They're thinking like, yeah, I'm glad you love playing a little rat or whatever. How much?
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John Leguizamo
Yeah, we're in a capitalist America. I forget.
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John Lovett
But we were really marveling at the range of roles you've had over the years. And I hadn't realized that. Cause I think of you as having been a standup and then suddenly you're playing Tybalt in Romeo Juliet. But you had been doing Shakespeare at the Public Theater before you were ever.
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John Leguizamo
Yeah, I mean, I was, I was always an actor who was very funny, or at least I thought I was funny. And I made a living out of it, you know, And I was diverse because there were no opportunities for Latin men in America. So I had to reinvent myself constantly and become different things that would, you know, garner me a career.
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John Lovett
Yeah, like you do too.
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John Leguizamo
It wasn't talent, it was just trying to survive.
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John Lovett
No, it's. And it's gotta be some of the talent. You're so charismatic sitting here. Please. I got you. You got me? You got me. You have. Hey, you've had me. You've had me. So you do too, Wong Fu.
- [31:23]
John Leguizamo
Uh huh. And oh yeah, damn, I'm hot. But that was like, I do me.
- [31:32]
John Lovett
That was great.
- [31:35]
John Leguizamo
Twice, right?
- [31:36]
John Lovett
Who wouldn't? But like, that was a. That was like a brave thing for the three of you to do at that time. Like you guys, really. And wasn't it Wasn't a joke. Like you committed to this. And it was a really, like. It was a. It was a. It was a really like, interesting and brave movie for three male, straight male actors to take on.
- [31:57]
John Leguizamo
Especially for the two of them. Because nobody really knew who I was.
- [32:00]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [32:00]
John Leguizamo
You know, except for theater people in New York City. But the two of them were like, you know, leading men. Action leading men. And for them to do the roles and to really commit to doing it right and giving it integrity, that took a lot of courage.
- [32:15]
John Lovett
Yeah. And at the time.
- [32:16]
John Leguizamo
Rest in peace.
- [32:17]
John Lovett
Yeah. Patrick Sway.
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John Leguizamo
Swayze.
- [32:20]
John Lovett
Yeah. You can applaud for Patrick Swayze.
- [32:22]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. Yeah. He did a great job. I mean, we didn't get along on the set too much. No, not too much. You can see I'm a New York actor. You know, this is my shot. I was gonna take it. And I was improvising all the time, making up crazy dialogue. I made up so much shit. And he couldn't take it. Cause I was relentless. I'm a New Yorker. I never shut up. And he told me to shut up. And I said. And I was like, make me. And Wesley said, I got you. And so we were ready to duke it out. Which is stupid. Cause we're in skirts and pumps. We were too method. We were. I think we were menstruating.
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John Lovett
But that was it. Did you ever repair it or was just. You never got along?
- [33:03]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. No, no, we repaired it.
- [33:04]
John Lovett
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's good.
- [33:05]
John Leguizamo
Not too much.
- [33:05]
John Lovett
That's good.
- [33:07]
John Leguizamo
But now.
- [33:08]
John Lovett
Now.
- [33:08]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, but I'm sorry. I repaired it on your show just now.
- [33:14]
John Lovett
No, that's beautiful now. So. Tu Wong Fu, I think, has become a cult classic. I have another movie of yours that I believe deserves cult classic consideration.
- [33:25]
John Leguizamo
What's that?
- [33:26]
John Lovett
It's Super Mario Brothers.
- [33:28]
John Leguizamo
You know.
- [33:31]
John Lovett
I loved this movie at the time.
- [33:33]
John Leguizamo
Cause you're young. You're young.
- [33:34]
John Lovett
Yeah, that's right.
- [33:35]
John Leguizamo
You don't know better.
- [33:36]
John Lovett
No, it's good. Have you gone back and watched it?
- [33:38]
John Leguizamo
No, I can't. I really can't.
- [33:40]
John Lovett
It's good.
- [33:40]
John Leguizamo
No, no. I mean, you know, I fancy myself an artist, you know, And I did this. Cause it was my only opportunity at the time, you know, as a Latin man. And, you know, it was like I didn't get that many choices. And this was. The directors were really. They had a fight for me because I was a Latin dude and the student didn't want me. And they fought at Annabelle and Annabel Jankel and Rocky Morton. And, you know, it was a tough movie to make man. We were doing it in a cement factory. Everybody got white lung from the cement. The sound effects told them that, you know, all that steam is gonna wreck the audio. So I had to record for a month every. We all had to record all our lines entire. I'd never done in my life. Like, dubbed yourself for the entire movie.
- [34:29]
John Lovett
So you'd go into a studio and watch.
- [34:30]
John Leguizamo
Yes. The whole thing and go over it and over it.
- [34:34]
John Lovett
What a cursed movie. The. It's also just sort of like, we found our Mario and Luigi. Oh. I assume that given there's wonderful Italian American actors. Yes. Yes. It's Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo.
- [34:46]
John Leguizamo
Obviously, we share no DNA.
- [34:48]
John Lovett
That makes no sense. What? Whatsoever.
- [34:50]
John Leguizamo
There's no 23 meat links anywhere.
- [34:52]
John Lovett
Absolutely not. Just a kind of a British guy, a Latin guy from New York. That. Those are. That's our married.
- [34:59]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. That's our twins. Yeah.
- [35:00]
John Lovett
Fantastic. Well, I think it was great.
- [35:03]
John Leguizamo
I love it. I love it now. I mean. And now I really appreciate it. And I know it became a cult classic, especially for young folk like yourselves.
- [35:09]
John Lovett
You also. I'll defend that movie, the Death. It was fun. It's back when movies could be fun.
- [35:17]
John Leguizamo
It is fun. It's fun. I appreciate it.
- [35:19]
John Lovett
Speaking of fun, what is that?
- [35:21]
John Leguizamo
You don't sound like you're having fun.
- [35:24]
John Lovett
You're in multiple scenes that, like, broke my brain that I shouldn't have seen when I saw them. One of them is. You are the shooter in the film Regarding Henry. Does anybody remember Regarding Henry? You were. That is.
- [35:44]
John Leguizamo
I don't remember it either now. I was in it.
- [35:46]
John Lovett
You don't.
- [35:46]
John Leguizamo
You don't know. I remember. Of course I remember it. I was. I was a shooter. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm denigrating my people. I'm. They made me the only Latin person in the movie, and I'm killing the white guy.
- [35:57]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [35:58]
John Leguizamo
Or shooting the white guy.
- [35:59]
John Lovett
Yeah. Shoot him. Well, yeah. He lives.
- [36:00]
John Leguizamo
He lives.
- [36:01]
John Lovett
It's a really.
- [36:02]
John Leguizamo
I couldn't even shoot. Well, I don't even care.
- [36:04]
John Lovett
You don't have to kill him. I just. Twice. And he just wanders. A bad Latin shooter, but it's a chilling scene. I really, like. I wouldn't even show it because it actually is like. Like, It's a very.
- [36:12]
John Leguizamo
Oh, no. It's terrible.
- [36:15]
John Lovett
But Mike Nichols.
- [36:16]
John Leguizamo
Yes. That's why I did it.
- [36:17]
John Lovett
Right.
- [36:18]
John Leguizamo
And then we became friends for life, really. We came to see Spicarama. He took me out to dinner many times. I went to his apartment. I Saw his Picassos.
- [36:26]
John Lovett
That's so cool. The. What's amazing about that scene is so Mike Nichols, he's directing all these different kinds of movies. It's a.
- [36:33]
John Leguizamo
Well, he's one of the most important directors in American history, of course, and.
- [36:37]
John Lovett
But he directs that. And it's chilling and haunting and excellent, even though it's not. I sort of. You just see that even in that moment. He's an amazing director. I wonder what it was like to do that, because you're there for. You're in one very critical scene.
- [36:49]
John Leguizamo
Yeah.
- [36:49]
John Lovett
And it's just like. Do you remember being directed by Mike Nichols that day?
- [36:53]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. I mean, you know, he's very friendly. He's a sweetheart. And he'd seen me in Mambo Mouth, and so he was. He wanted to give me an opportunity. So that was my opportunity. And, you know, he just said, you know, just be, you know, like you're casual and just turn around and shoot him. Like, you're. Like you're buying something.
- [37:12]
John Lovett
So.
- [37:12]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. So I did it really casually. And then I shot, you know, Harrison Ford, which is. Felt terrible, even though it wasn't a real gun or anything. But you feel bad. I'm a human being, you know, I'm not a real shooter.
- [37:22]
John Lovett
That's acting, I think. Yeah.
- [37:23]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. Well, you. But you still. I'm an actor, and I'm killing the poor guy. It's terrible.
- [37:29]
John Lovett
Yeah, he got him real good. Also, you played the Violator in Spawn. Let's show a picture of Spawn of the Violator. That is some fucking nightmare fuel.
- [37:43]
John Leguizamo
Oh, wow. That was rough. That was like. My first makeup test was eight hours. And that was back in the day when they glued your face with real glue. It wasn't like, special creams and shit. Yeah, it was bad. It was rough.
- [37:56]
John Lovett
That's a scary character.
- [37:58]
John Leguizamo
But I enjoyed the hell out of it. They let me improvise like crazy. I said. I said the craziest things. I better get credit for the second movie when they remake it because they're remaking everything I did. I'm so old. They're remaking everything. They remade Super Mario Brothers.
- [38:15]
John Lovett
Oh, right. Of course.
- [38:15]
John Leguizamo
It was a huge hit. Yeah.
- [38:17]
John Lovett
Was cartoon.
- [38:18]
John Leguizamo
Yeah.
- [38:18]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [38:19]
John Leguizamo
They're remaking this. Blum. Blumhouse is remaking.
- [38:21]
John Lovett
He's gonna do Spawn again.
- [38:22]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. With Jamie Foxx.
- [38:24]
John Lovett
That's cool.
- [38:24]
John Leguizamo
As Bond. Yeah.
- [38:25]
John Lovett
That's a good Spawn.
- [38:26]
John Leguizamo
Yeah.
- [38:27]
John Lovett
They should bring you back.
- [38:28]
John Leguizamo
Okay. Call Jason.
- [38:32]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [38:33]
John Leguizamo
Make it happen.
- [38:34]
John Lovett
I would like to do that. Let's somebody.
- [38:39]
John Leguizamo
You got that kind of Poll. Come on.
- [38:40]
John Lovett
Yeah, yeah.
- [38:40]
John Leguizamo
Let me.
- [38:41]
John Lovett
Let me. Yeah. No, let me go to my list of podcast connections and see how many steps it takes to get to a movie. All right, so on July 6, you have the second season of Leguizamo Does America. You're traveling across the country talking to Latino communities. You've spoken out about the protests in Los Angeles. A lot of people haven't. What are you trying to do with this show? And then also, why do you think more people. Let's start with that. What are you trying to do with the show?
- [39:07]
John Leguizamo
Well, I'm going across America looking for Latin exceptionalism, Latin innovation, Latin genius, Looking for Latin celebration, celebrating all the things that we've brought to this country that we get no credit for, that we're never celebrated for, that were just ignored and erased. So that's what I'm trying to undo, you know, especially in this time of great violence to Latin bodies and Latin people in this country. You know, it's a sad time to be a Latin person in this country. I talk to a lot of Latin organizers, actors, activists, politicians, and we're all trying to figure out what to do, because it's a tough time to see all these people being hurt like that. Mothers and children and. And fathers and brothers and people that look just like my family. It's tough. But I'm trying to bring some opposite, you know? Cause we have to celebrate the little joys we have to do the. It's like an antidote to what we're watching on the gram and on TikTok, you know? But I'm glad it's being shown, because otherwise there's no evidence, and we need all the witnesses and testimonies that we can keep.
- [40:16]
John Lovett
What are. Is there.
- [40:19]
John Leguizamo
Thank you.
- [40:21]
John Lovett
Is there an example from the show? And you've also done a history show, too?
- [40:26]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, yeah.
- [40:26]
John Lovett
Is there an example from the show that you think kind of is relevant to what's happening right now?
- [40:30]
John Leguizamo
Well, yeah. I mean, when I went to Raleigh, which I figured there are no Latin people in Raleigh, but there was a ton of Latin people there, and they were brought there in the 70s. You know, like, we're brought. We've been in this country. The first European language spoken in America was not English, was Spanish. And we've been here since 1492. And to see that we're being rounded up again for the fourth time in this country, it's incredible to me that it's happening for the fourth time. It happened with the Repatriation Act. Two million Latinos were Deported, Even though they were all. Most of them were American citizens, but they were deported after the Depression. We were blamed for taking jobs, same as is going on now. And then it happened in the wetback act in the 1950s. Over a million and a half Latinos were deported. Half of them were citizens. Some of them were undocumented. And then they're doing it again. So that was in the PBS series. I think we dealt with that a little bit. But in Raleigh, there was all these immigrants brought in the 70s to work in the factories and in the process, food processing. And they stayed and they created these. They fixed up a lot of communities and rebuilt them, as we often do. And we go there and we celebrate all these activists who are helping undocumented immigrants and rebuilding all these communities.
- [41:55]
John Lovett
Beautiful. There's, I think, you know, the nativism we're seeing now. So when my family was coming into this country, it was in a wave of Jewish and Italian immigrants.
- [42:13]
John Leguizamo
Was that late 1800s or early 1900s?
- [42:15]
John Lovett
Early 1900s, early 1900s. And they were in a crest of immigrants that made New York City like 40% immigrant at the time. And it led to a nativist backlash, which led to that number dropping, which was all part of the same sort of conditions that were leading to the Great Depression, which then also led to a whole bunch of nativism against Mexican and Latin immigrants as well. It was all connected that the nativism that was targeting the shifty Jews in New York and that was leading to the same kind of quotas that ultimately meant Jews were excluded from this country during the Holocaust.
- [42:47]
John Leguizamo
Right, right, right.
- [42:48]
John Lovett
It was the same set of forces that were causing the expulsion of Mexicans to Mexico. Even though they were coming into this country to work.
- [42:57]
John Leguizamo
They were brought in here to work.
- [42:59]
John Lovett
They were invited, part of a program.
- [43:00]
John Leguizamo
For a sero program. We were brought here to work. And what's crazy is we were brought here in the 1800s as well. I mean, we've been here anyway, but. And, you know, from Mississippi to the Pacific was Mexico until 1830. And we were brought here. We built the. After our Asian brothers and sisters were kicked out in the 1840s, 50s, we came in and finished all the trains and tracks, and we called ourselves Traqueros because of tracks. And we finished it all the way. All the infrastructure in the Southwest and West, we finished, and then we were kicked out. And there's an incredible story. This woman, CARMELITA TORRES, In 1910, she started the Bath riots because Latinos were brought into Texas and all the Southwest to work on the farms, you know, typical in homes. And she was 17. But what they would do was they would make the men and women separate, get naked, spray them with Zyklon B gas, and if they had lice, they would sometimes set their hairs on fire. And she protested. A 17 year old girl. She disappeared after that. But the Nazis borrowed a lot of those techniques that they were using in the Southwest on us. That's what the Nazis borrowed.
- [44:14]
John Lovett
Let's get a picture of the violator up again.
- [44:19]
John Leguizamo
That's what they look like.
- [44:22]
John Lovett
And yet you've never apologized for this. You never look how scary that is. A child. I know.
- [44:27]
John Leguizamo
I've damaged so many poor children. But I got paid well, though. I bought my second home and a pool.
- [44:36]
John Lovett
Wow, look at that.
- [44:37]
John Leguizamo
Can you hate me for that?
- [44:38]
John Lovett
That's a. That's what you. That's the face you make when you just realize you're gonna get a pool. Well, John Leguizamo, thank you so much for being here.
- [44:47]
John Leguizamo
Thank you for having me. Pleasure, man.
- [44:49]
John Lovett
Stick around. You wanna stick around. Smoke is streaming now on Apple tv. Plus when we're back, Iris Atari and Anthony Carrigan take the stage.
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Anthony Carrigan
Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up.
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Anthony Carrigan
Same.
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John Lovett
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- [47:34]
Aristotle Athari
Thanks.
- [47:35]
Anthony Carrigan
Thank you.
- [47:36]
Aristotle Athari
It's great to be here.
- [47:37]
Anthony Carrigan
I'm excited. Are you excited? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [47:41]
John Leguizamo
He knows how to work an audience. You see that? Yeah.
- [47:44]
Anthony Carrigan
Doing my best. Right? Yeah. There you go. Good.
- [47:51]
John Lovett
Doing so good.
- [47:52]
Anthony Carrigan
Sorry, Sorry.
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John Lovett
Gentlemen, you've all tangled with villains on both the small and silver screens. But unfortunately, we live in reality. Which is why we wanted to test your knowledge of the many, many IRL villainous deeds afoot this week in a thrilling segment we're calling News it or Lose it. Evil Eyewitness News. Why is that just a picture of my face? John, I'll start with you. This week, U.S. customs and Border Protection denied blocking a Norwegian tourist from entering the country after they discovered a disrespectful meme on his phone.
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John Leguizamo
Oh, snap.
- [48:25]
John Lovett
Who was it? A meme about.
- [48:27]
John Leguizamo
Was it a meme about probably Stephen Miller.
- [48:31]
John Lovett
So close. So close. Anybody want to steal it? Yep.
- [48:35]
Aristotle Athari
Chubby Vance.
- [48:36]
John Lovett
You got it. You got it. It was Chubby Vance.
- [48:42]
John Leguizamo
That's why I took face recognition off my phone.
- [48:44]
John Lovett
Yeah, you gotta. You gotta. Cause they'll get passcode.
- [48:47]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, I'll just go passcode. I don't know the passcode. I can't remember. You making me nervous. I'm practicing because I know they're gonna come for me.
- [48:54]
John Lovett
And it was so good. Yes, the cpb. The custom border patrol called it false, saying that he actually was kicked out for admitting drug use. But I don't really. That doesn't totally make sense. So you have this meme on your phone, and then you just admit to drug use and they send you back to Norway. Doesn't really make sense. Seems like they were going through his phone. Not really clear why either. Hmm. Something to think about. Anthony.
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Aristotle Athari
Mm.
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John Lovett
What tech billionaire was reportedly considering moving his wedding out of Venice after protests broke out across the city against him and his multinational conglomerate?
- [49:28]
Aristotle Athari
Are you asking me because I'm bald?
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John Leguizamo
Oh, my God. Jeff Bezos.
- [49:35]
John Lovett
Dink.
- [49:35]
Aristotle Athari
Dink. Dink. Is it?
- [49:37]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [49:38]
John Leguizamo
Oh, yeah.
- [49:38]
John Lovett
I knew it. But I was just.
- [49:40]
John Leguizamo
Don't say anything bad about Jeff Pace. He funds a lot of movies.
- [49:43]
John Lovett
No, and we. And we do love that. And we do. And we do. And we do love that.
- [49:48]
Aristotle Athari
Good for him for doing that.
- [49:49]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [49:51]
Aristotle Athari
What a guy.
- [49:52]
John Leguizamo
What a guy.
- [49:53]
John Lovett
What a dude. We love our tech giants and their forays into scripted television and film. We applaud all of these conglomerates for dipping their toe in and letting us make all kinds of wonderful shows.
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John Leguizamo
Art.
- [50:07]
John Lovett
Art.
- [50:07]
John Leguizamo
Funding art.
- [50:08]
John Lovett
Art. Patrons of the arts.
- [50:09]
John Leguizamo
Yes, they are.
- [50:10]
John Lovett
That's. And so anyway, this is a segment about hating those people protesting those good newlyweds and their wedding.
- [50:21]
Aristotle Athari
Those poor little guys, you know, just trying to get married, but they.
- [50:25]
John Lovett
This was the. Can we show the wedding invitation? It looks just like clipart. What? It just doesn't look like. That's what you get when you have the most money. How is that what you landed on? Just a. Just looks like dog shit.
- [50:39]
John Leguizamo
But it's stealth wealth, Right?
- [50:40]
John Lovett
Stealth wealth.
- [50:41]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. Yeah, that's stealth wealth.
- [50:43]
John Lovett
That's stealth wealth.
- [50:43]
John Leguizamo
Except for the whole event. But.
- [50:48]
John Lovett
But. But, Anthony, you brought up baldness.
- [50:51]
Aristotle Athari
I did. Or did I actually?
- [50:55]
John Lovett
Well, I brought up a bald man.
- [50:57]
Aristotle Athari
You did. That's true. I get the association.
- [51:01]
John Lovett
But you are in the upcoming Superman.
- [51:02]
Aristotle Athari
Yes.
- [51:03]
John Lovett
Which is in July 11th.
- [51:04]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah, I know I am.
- [51:06]
John Lovett
You're playing Metamorpho.
- [51:07]
Aristotle Athari
Yes.
- [51:10]
John Lovett
Now, could we show a picture of Metamorpho.
- [51:13]
John Leguizamo
Wow.
- [51:14]
Anthony Carrigan
How cool is that?
- [51:16]
Aristotle Athari
I know. It's pretty sweet, isn't it?
- [51:17]
Anthony Carrigan
I love it. Yeah.
- [51:18]
John Leguizamo
Now, am I blocking you?
- [51:19]
Aristotle Athari
No, no, no.
- [51:20]
John Leguizamo
Looking at yourself.
- [51:20]
Aristotle Athari
I've seen it before.
- [51:21]
John Lovett
Is that. Is Metamorpho a villain, or am I judging a book by its cover?
- [51:26]
Aristotle Athari
So he's complicated. He's definitely complicated. I don't want any spoilers, you know, but there's. There's definitely, you know, there's a great character arc, I would say, for my character. I'm very excited.
- [51:36]
John Lovett
Does he start out looking like that?
- [51:38]
Aristotle Athari
Yes.
- [51:39]
John Lovett
Cool. So the character arc isn't about why he looks like that?
- [51:42]
Aristotle Athari
No. I mean, but the comic books. I mean, if you're interested, the comic books are actually a very fascinating story.
- [51:46]
John Lovett
Really?
- [51:47]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
- [51:48]
John Lovett
Metamorpho.
- [51:49]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah.
- [51:50]
John Lovett
It's a cool name. Metamorpho. Do you think now you've played villains?
- [51:54]
Aristotle Athari
I have.
- [51:55]
John Lovett
Do you think you're typecast because you're bald?
- [51:58]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah, I think that, you know, that bad, like, bald guys and bad guys are kind of synonymous, you know, it's just. It's an easy. It's an easy thing, you know?
- [52:07]
John Lovett
But why?
- [52:08]
Aristotle Athari
I don't know. I don't know. I'm just such a great dude. Like what? You know, why they keep doing that to me?
- [52:15]
John Lovett
I don't think there's anything inherently villainous about being bald.
- [52:19]
Aristotle Athari
I know. It's one of those unconscious things, though, I think. I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know what it is. But, yeah, just this. Bad guys. Like Lex Luthor. Another bald bad guy. You know, Mr. Evil.
- [52:31]
John Lovett
You were on Gotham, right?
- [52:32]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah. Yeah. Another bad guy.
- [52:34]
John Lovett
Who'd you play on Gotham?
- [52:35]
Aristotle Athari
Victor Zsasz.
- [52:36]
John Lovett
Victor Zsasz.
- [52:37]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah.
- [52:37]
John Lovett
Wow. And bald.
- [52:38]
Aristotle Athari
And bald.
- [52:41]
John Leguizamo
Do I ever put wigs on you?
- [52:42]
Aristotle Athari
I have, yeah. Something that I've coming up and wearing a wig. A long, black wig.
- [52:46]
John Leguizamo
Are you a villain?
- [52:47]
John Lovett
Yeah. Even with hair? Even with hair.
- [52:51]
John Leguizamo
I know.
- [52:52]
John Lovett
Sensing a theme, so it's interesting. So you're a villain when you're bald. You're a villain when you're not bald. Maybe it's you. Maybe it's something inside.
- [53:03]
John Leguizamo
Wow.
- [53:04]
Aristotle Athari
Cool. Thanks for having me.
- [53:07]
John Lovett
Aristotle. Bernie Sanders stopped by the Joe Rogan podcast to issue a warning this week.
- [53:13]
Anthony Carrigan
Mm.
- [53:14]
John Lovett
At the end of the day, all we got is us. Yes. Is that right?
- [53:17]
John Leguizamo
Yeah.
- [53:18]
John Lovett
We are human beings. Yeah. And we're gonna have to cling to each other to get through this thing.
- [53:24]
Anthony Carrigan
That message really stuck With Joe Rogan, by the way.
- [53:27]
John Lovett
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [53:29]
Anthony Carrigan
I'm gonna get this wrong, but go ahead. What's your question?
- [53:32]
John Lovett
What is the thing we're getting through in which we have to cling to each other? Is it A, Trump's second term, B, climate change, or C, falling in love with AI?
- [53:45]
Anthony Carrigan
Hmm.
- [53:47]
John Leguizamo
Wow.
- [53:48]
Anthony Carrigan
Give me the. Give me the. Give me the. Give me the options again. What's A Trump?
- [53:54]
John Lovett
What's B, Climate change.
- [53:56]
Anthony Carrigan
What's C?
- [53:57]
John Lovett
Falling in love with AI.
- [53:59]
Anthony Carrigan
I'm gonna go with A.
- [54:01]
John Lovett
Incorrect.
- [54:02]
John Leguizamo
Oh.
- [54:04]
John Lovett
It'S falling in love with AI. Let's show the full clip.
- [54:10]
Anthony Carrigan
God damn it.
- [54:11]
John Lovett
At the end of the day, all we got is us.
- [54:13]
John Leguizamo
Yes.
- [54:13]
John Lovett
Is that right?
- [54:14]
John Leguizamo
Yeah.
- [54:14]
John Lovett
We are human beings. Yeah. And we're gonna have to cling to each other to get through this thing. All I would say at this moment is the answer is not to fall in love with your AI creature out there. Yeah. Don't do that.
- [54:29]
Anthony Carrigan
Why did he get such an easy question? And I got led into something that I think everybody thought it was gonna be Trump.
- [54:36]
Aristotle Athari
You did it with multiple choice, though, right?
- [54:38]
John Leguizamo
You were set up.
- [54:39]
John Lovett
You know you were set up. Hey, you know what? We got you.
- [54:42]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, yeah. It was a gotcha moment.
- [54:45]
John Lovett
It was a gotcha.
- [54:46]
John Leguizamo
It was a big time passenger and you got had.
- [54:48]
John Lovett
Are you at all concerned that you're gonna fall in love with your AI creature, as Bernie refers to it?
- [54:55]
Anthony Carrigan
You know, I have talked about this before. This is not a setup for something that I've. That I came up with prior to the show. But I have said I'm not really concerned about. I'm not really worried about nuclear warfare. I'm not worried about. The main thing I'm worried about is the moment that we can create some kind of, like an AI robot lover. Then we're all screwed.
- [55:23]
John Lovett
Now you all.
- [55:23]
Anthony Carrigan
Literally nobody's going to leave home. Right? You're not. Right. You're definitely not.
- [55:34]
John Lovett
I watched the movie Companion on a plane, so I still have 20 minutes left, and I don't think it gets to be in favor of it.
- [55:41]
Anthony Carrigan
Sure.
- [55:41]
John Lovett
Based on the first hour and 15 minutes, they seem very anti robot sex monster. But yes, as a theory, it's not the monster's fault. It's Frankenstein's fault. Yes.
- [55:53]
John Leguizamo
Right.
- [55:53]
John Lovett
But you're in Megan 2.0.
- [55:55]
Anthony Carrigan
Correct. I love how you, like, had to be like this. It's 2.0. Yeah, it's 2.0. Yeah. Yeah.
- [56:03]
John Lovett
I just. Because there's also a three in the name, so that's Just true.
- [56:07]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah.
- [56:09]
John Lovett
So that's why I was checking.
- [56:11]
Anthony Carrigan
God damn it.
- [56:11]
John Lovett
It was. Has a three in the name, but it's two. It'll be fun when it's Megan three, because then you just make the three bigger.
- [56:18]
Anthony Carrigan
Yes, yes, yes.
- [56:19]
John Lovett
Wow. What was Megan like to work with on set? I hear she's quite the prankster.
- [56:25]
Anthony Carrigan
She was. And, you know, kind of racy in real life. It was kind of interesting. It was interesting, actually, like acting opposite this. This animatronic robot because she was actually really good. She knew her lines better than I knew my lines. But no, it was kind of fun. It was cool. It was interesting. You should go see the movie. Thank you.
- [56:54]
John Lovett
John.
- [56:55]
John Leguizamo
Oh, What?
- [56:56]
John Lovett
Cobra Kai star Martin Cove was escorted out of Washington State's summer con after he did what to his costar Alicia Hannah Kim.
- [57:05]
John Leguizamo
Oh, wow. I think I missed that week of news. I don't know.
- [57:11]
Anthony Carrigan
What are his multiple choices?
- [57:13]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, I don't even get multiple choices.
- [57:14]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [57:14]
Anthony Carrigan
What is that about?
- [57:15]
John Leguizamo
Hey, what's up with that?
- [57:16]
John Lovett
Did he.
- [57:17]
John Leguizamo
Is it because I'm Latin?
- [57:20]
John Lovett
That's right. That's right.
- [57:21]
John Leguizamo
That's right.
- [57:22]
John Lovett
Harder questions for you.
- [57:23]
John Leguizamo
Okay, Right. Maybe I am a little bitter.
- [57:26]
John Lovett
Let me come up with four. Let me come up with three.
- [57:29]
John Leguizamo
How about just two?
- [57:30]
John Lovett
A, did he bite her arm?
- [57:34]
John Leguizamo
Did he bite her arm?
- [57:35]
John Lovett
B, did he push her down a flight of stairs? Or C, did he spit in her. Spitting her soup?
- [57:49]
Anthony Carrigan
I. I know the answer to. Do you want a lifeline or no? Can he.
- [57:52]
John Leguizamo
Can I get a lifeline?
- [57:53]
John Lovett
Yeah, you get a lifeline.
- [57:54]
John Leguizamo
All right, what is it?
- [57:56]
Aristotle Athari
He did not spit in her soup.
- [57:57]
John Leguizamo
He did not spit in her soup.
- [57:59]
John Lovett
That's correct.
- [58:00]
John Leguizamo
There you go. I won.
- [58:02]
John Lovett
He bit his costar. Yes. Wow. What?
- [58:06]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. Come on, explain this. What the hell's going on?
- [58:09]
John Lovett
He said it was a joke. Has anyone ever bit you on set? John Leguizamo.
- [58:15]
John Leguizamo
Or. An animal bit me. A snake bit me.
- [58:17]
John Lovett
Really?
- [58:18]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. In the past. This movie I did, they brought an anaconda, but it was a. A baby anaconda, so it was, like, only 4ft tall, 4ft long. And. And it was. They put it near my crotch. I don't know why I allowed that. I can't do anything for a laugh. And. And it bit me on the thigh, like, several times. I had to go to the hospital for tetanus shots.
- [58:37]
John Lovett
And they cut that scene out of the Super Mario Brothers movie.
- [58:40]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, it did.
- [58:43]
John Lovett
Wait, what was it for?
- [58:44]
John Leguizamo
No, the past. The past. Oh, it was for the past.
- [58:50]
John Lovett
And. But did they they didn't use it. Or they did use it.
- [58:52]
John Leguizamo
They didn't use the biting part. They just had the snake come towards my.
- [58:55]
Anthony Carrigan
You know, Bob Hoskins broke his arm or his hand during.
- [59:00]
John Leguizamo
He did?
- [59:00]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah.
- [59:01]
John Leguizamo
How do you know that?
- [59:02]
Anthony Carrigan
Because I read your book.
- [59:03]
John Leguizamo
Oh, okay.
- [59:04]
John Lovett
Wow.
- [59:06]
John Leguizamo
I paid him for that.
- [59:07]
John Lovett
I paid him for that.
- [59:09]
Anthony Carrigan
And you threw up chicken skins one time or. No, no. Was it crickets?
- [59:13]
John Leguizamo
Sorry, Crickets? I threw them up, yeah.
- [59:14]
John Lovett
You threw crickets?
- [59:15]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. Cause I ate a ton of them and I drank too much and then I threw them all up over Patrick Swayze.
- [59:20]
John Lovett
Oh. Can't believe you guys did too.
- [59:23]
Anthony Carrigan
Wong Fu, Tuong Fu.
- [59:24]
John Lovett
I can't believe you guys didn't get along.
- [59:27]
John Leguizamo
We got along sometimes. It wasn't always contentious.
- [59:31]
John Lovett
This improv guy just threw up bugs on me. I hate it. Wait, so let's think of a transition. Any biting in the pornos you're directing in Smoke.
- [59:46]
John Leguizamo
Oh, great. Let's talk about smoke.
- [59:50]
John Lovett
Still got it.
- [59:51]
John Leguizamo
Smoke is incredible. It's a great series, man. It's. It's based on a true crime. Dennis Lehane, the greatest true crime novelist of our time, and it's based on John, or in the 90s, was the preeminent arsonist investigator and ended up that he was setting the fires himself. And he killed over a dozen people. Hey, it makes them nervous.
- [60:15]
John Lovett
It makes them think you're sick freaks. What a weird thing to lose it over.
- [60:20]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah.
- [60:20]
John Lovett
At this moment, I think you're an arsonist. I think you set fires for fun and it makes you excited.
- [60:29]
John Leguizamo
She's pointed to her literally.
- [60:33]
Aristotle Athari
Will not stop laughing.
- [60:34]
John Leguizamo
Oh, my God, that's funny.
- [60:35]
John Lovett
But so he was.
- [60:36]
John Leguizamo
So he was setting up fires and a dozen people died and he burned millions of dollars worth of property. And he would have never stopped if they didn't catch him.
- [60:44]
John Lovett
And then when does the porn directing come in?
- [60:46]
John Leguizamo
Oh, okay, well, I'm not the arsonist. Well, I don't want to spoiler, but I get too close to the arsonist and I'm his best friend and I'm going to turn him in. And then he just. He. He sets me up to be the fall guy and he ruins my career and I turn to drugs and I become a porn director.
- [61:05]
John Lovett
Wow.
- [61:06]
John Leguizamo
That's what most firefighters do when they lose their jobs.
- [61:10]
John Lovett
You know what? You gotta just be open to what the universe is telling you.
- [61:13]
John Leguizamo
Exactly.
- [61:14]
Anthony Carrigan
Sometimes you gotta direct porn, you know?
- [61:15]
John Lovett
Yeah, totally. That's it. Yeah. I think that's beautiful.
- [61:18]
Aristotle Athari
Classic pipeline, you know?
- [61:19]
John Lovett
Yeah. Anthony on Wednesday. Aaron. Sorkin announced he will write and direct a movie about what tech billionaire's dastardly deeds. I'll give you a hint. It's a sequel.
- [61:35]
Aristotle Athari
Zuckerberg.
- [61:36]
John Lovett
Yeah, we're getting Social Network, too.
- [61:39]
John Leguizamo
Oh, wow.
- [61:39]
John Lovett
Yep. Yeah. Part two.
- [61:43]
Aristotle Athari
That was the audience.
- [61:47]
John Lovett
It's based on the Wall Street Journal Facebook files published in 2021 about the platform's devastating effect on mental health of teens. And apparently Aaron's gonna direct it. I'm excited about it.
- [61:58]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah.
- [62:00]
John Leguizamo
That's great. That's great.
- [62:02]
John Lovett
Wow.
- [62:03]
John Leguizamo
Yeah. Yeah.
- [62:04]
John Lovett
I love that Lucy movie.
- [62:06]
John Leguizamo
That was incredible. Made the funniest woman in America. Unfunny. I love that.
- [62:10]
John Lovett
No, I love. I was like, look, here's. Well, you don't need jokes with Lucy. You want a stone faced, marble faced woman to be Lucy.
- [62:18]
John Leguizamo
Oh, my God, this is so true.
- [62:21]
John Lovett
Hey, Anthony.
- [62:22]
Aristotle Athari
Hey.
- [62:23]
John Lovett
Why do you think tech billionaires go all Lex Luthor sometimes? Uh.
- [62:30]
Aristotle Athari
I don't think they go, like. I don't think they go Lex Luthor. I think they're. They have it within them. You know? Someone I know, like, says that money makes you more of who you are.
- [62:43]
John Leguizamo
Oh, yeah.
- [62:44]
Aristotle Athari
So if you're, you know, a pretty good person, I think you'll. You'll be inspired to continue to be a good person. But if there's that thing inside of you that's just like, you know, wants to be evil, it's gonna come out. It's gonna come out.
- [62:58]
John Lovett
Money for some people is like. It's permission. It's permission.
- [63:01]
Aristotle Athari
It's permission. Yeah. And I think a lot of people, like, succeed because they're kind of evil and because, you know, capitalism can kind of, like, really, you know, yield pretty horrible people. Just rising the ranks.
- [63:14]
John Lovett
Is that what you found when you got the money from the ice age thing?
- [63:23]
John Leguizamo
I plead the fifth.
- [63:27]
John Lovett
Aristotle.
- [63:28]
Anthony Carrigan
Yes.
- [63:29]
John Lovett
This week, Kim Kardashian was announced as the villain in the upcoming movie adaptation of what toy line from Amazon, which we love? Is it a. You get multiple choice?
- [63:41]
Anthony Carrigan
No. Here's the thing. I hate that I didn't know the answer to the first question, but I do know the answer to this one.
- [63:50]
John Lovett
Okay.
- [63:51]
Anthony Carrigan
Is it Bratz?
- [63:51]
John Lovett
It is Bratz.
- [63:52]
Anthony Carrigan
Thank you.
- [63:53]
John Lovett
It is Bratz Dolls.
- [63:56]
Anthony Carrigan
You're welcome.
- [63:58]
John Lovett
That's cool.
- [64:00]
Anthony Carrigan
Okay. I thought it was. Yeah.
- [64:03]
John Lovett
And you're. Cause you're just a big Bratz guy. You keep up with Bratz.
- [64:07]
Anthony Carrigan
Can we cut this? I love Bratz. Yeah. I'm a big Bratz fan. I collect a lot of Bratz. In fact, the more money I make, the True version of me is a big, big Bratz collector.
- [64:16]
John Leguizamo
A big Bratz collector.
- [64:19]
Anthony Carrigan
The true me.
- [64:22]
John Lovett
Do any of you have a toy version of yourself?
- [64:25]
John Leguizamo
I have a spawn version and a Super Mario Brothers version that looks more like Stallone, but who cares?
- [64:33]
John Lovett
That's cool.
- [64:33]
Anthony Carrigan
I love how this is gonna go. Cause you'd be like, yes, I got this. Yes. I don't.
- [64:38]
John Lovett
Yeah, no, as I was asking. I asked the group, but it wasn't about it. Sure, sure, sure. I didn't think you did.
- [64:43]
Anthony Carrigan
Sorry.
- [64:44]
John Lovett
I knew you didn't.
- [64:46]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah, but, like, keep plugging brats and like.
- [64:48]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah, the funny thing is, like, I have his toy, which. And the spawn one.
- [64:53]
John Lovett
Spawn.
- [64:54]
Anthony Carrigan
And. And I actually have his, too. And I should have brought both of them to have signed.
- [65:00]
John Leguizamo
You'd be worth a lot more when you flip it on ebay.
- [65:03]
Anthony Carrigan
Maybe.
- [65:04]
John Lovett
Wait, Anthony, what doll are you?
- [65:07]
Aristotle Athari
I have one from Gotham. And. And I think I've got from Superman. Metamorpho.
- [65:13]
John Lovett
How cool.
- [65:14]
John Leguizamo
You get a little taste of it? Of the action or.
- [65:17]
Aristotle Athari
No, I don't think so.
- [65:21]
John Leguizamo
If he doesn't think so, then he doesn't.
- [65:23]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah.
- [65:23]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [65:25]
Aristotle Athari
Yeah.
- [65:25]
John Leguizamo
Pretty much, yeah.
- [65:27]
Anthony Carrigan
How come. How come you never asked for a taste?
- [65:29]
John Leguizamo
You would know if you were getting a taste.
- [65:30]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah. How come you never got.
- [65:32]
John Lovett
Why never.
- [65:32]
Anthony Carrigan
Why didn't you ask for a taste?
- [65:33]
Aristotle Athari
I feel like it's like, hey, just get a taste.
- [65:36]
John Lovett
You know?
- [65:36]
Anthony Carrigan
Let me ask you this.
- [65:37]
Aristotle Athari
Why don't you just.
- [65:37]
John Lovett
We want you to get your beak wet. We want you to get your.
- [65:39]
Aristotle Athari
Be going to email my agent and just say, where's my taste can? Yeah, where. Where's my taste can I. Can I get a taste? No context. And I just. Hopefully she'll figure it out.
- [65:52]
John Lovett
It's hard.
- [65:53]
John Leguizamo
They'll call HR don't worry.
- [65:55]
John Lovett
It's hard to get it. After the movie's done being filmed. You.
- [65:58]
Anthony Carrigan
You have love it or leave it T shirts and all that stuff, right?
- [66:00]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [66:00]
Anthony Carrigan
You get a taste.
- [66:01]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [66:04]
John Leguizamo
Do you have a doll?
- [66:05]
John Lovett
What?
- [66:05]
John Leguizamo
You have a doll?
- [66:06]
John Lovett
Not yet. Well, you will, but we'll think about it as soon as we crunch the numbers.
- [66:10]
Anthony Carrigan
And if you do, what happens?
- [66:11]
John Lovett
What? They'll get my beak wiped? Get a little taste.
- [66:14]
Anthony Carrigan
You get a taste. Get a taste.
- [66:16]
John Lovett
I don't know.
- [66:17]
Anthony Carrigan
Haven't you learned something from this?
- [66:20]
John Lovett
No, I already knew about getting a taste.
- [66:21]
Anthony Carrigan
Okay, great, great. Okay, sorry.
- [66:24]
John Lovett
Tiebreaker question. Because it is tied. Critics and fans alike were abuzz about Danny Boyle's new post apocalyptic horror movie, 28 Days later, featuring a cannibalistic zombie featured in the film who had what? Aristotle knows this.
- [66:41]
John Leguizamo
He does. He knows everything.
- [66:42]
John Lovett
He knows this.
- [66:44]
Anthony Carrigan
A big hog.
- [66:45]
John Lovett
He does have a big hog.
- [66:47]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah.
- [66:47]
John Lovett
Yeah. Let's show it.
- [66:48]
Anthony Carrigan
No, but apparently. Apparently. Wait, is that it? But apparently it's prosthetic. Right? It's not even real.
- [66:56]
Aristotle Athari
Oh, really?
- [66:57]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah.
- [66:58]
John Lovett
That ruins the fantasy for me.
- [67:00]
Anthony Carrigan
Sorry. I'm sorry.
- [67:02]
John Lovett
No, he did. Yes. The actor reassured that it's a prosthetic, but when asked by the outlet if it's proportional, the actor, Lewis Perry said.
- [67:09]
Anthony Carrigan
Do you get a taste?
- [67:10]
John Lovett
You get a taste.
- [67:12]
John Leguizamo
You don't want a taste of that.
- [67:13]
John Lovett
He said, I'm 6 foot 8. I'll say no more.
- [67:17]
Anthony Carrigan
Hey.
- [67:18]
John Lovett
Wow. More like 28 inches later.
- [67:24]
John Leguizamo
Yeah.
- [67:24]
John Lovett
Yeah.
- [67:25]
John Leguizamo
So he makes the big bucks.
- [67:29]
John Lovett
All right, Aristotle, you won the game. Yay. Because you know about Bratzdahl and some guy's huge. Wang.
- [67:39]
Anthony Carrigan
Wang. Prosthetic Wang.
- [67:43]
John Lovett
And that's news it or lose it. Evil Eye witness edition. Megan 2.0 in theaters now. Superman, which is in July 11th. And Smoke.
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John Leguizamo
Yes.
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John Lovett
On your Apple TVs. Yeah.
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John Leguizamo
June 27th.
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Because the plus plus is for TV shows.
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Yeah.
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Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or leave it coming up.
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John Leguizamo
Oh, right.
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John Lovett
Oh, yeah. They put us on some great, nice bodies. We'll spin the wheel, and each of us will share one thing we'd like to declare our independence from something we want to be independent from. Let's spin the wheel. Aristotle, it's landed on you. What do you want to declare your independence from from?
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Anthony Carrigan
From my cell phone. From my iPhone.
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John Lovett
Ah.
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Anthony Carrigan
I'm actually doing it, too. Not right now, but I'm doing it tomorrow.
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John Lovett
How are you gonna do it?
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Anthony Carrigan
Well, I bought. I got this thing called a dumb phone. Or it's a class of phone. This is a real thing. And it's basically kind of a technologically unremarkable phone. And it just kind of gives me what I need. Email, text messages, just basic stuff. Email, text messages, phone. Just the basics. Email, text messages, phone calls, like a little bit of Internet. Just the basics. So text messages, email, phone call, little bit of Internet, some social media.
- [71:53]
John Lovett
But.
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Anthony Carrigan
It'S the basics, but it has, like, an E ink black and white screen, and it's not very fun to kind of scroll through. But, yeah, the idea is to kind of get. Because honestly, it's. It's a lot. You know, it's too much for me. That's my independence.
- [72:08]
John Lovett
I like that. I like that. Are you addicted to your phone?
- [72:12]
John Leguizamo
Oh, hell yeah.
- [72:13]
John Lovett
Nice.
- [72:13]
John Leguizamo
I can't live without my phone. I miss it right now.
- [72:18]
John Lovett
Yeah.
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John Leguizamo
I'm touching my phone.
- [72:20]
John Lovett
They're bad for us.
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Aristotle Athari
You ever notice that when you. When someone takes out their phone, you just instinctually just take it out?
- [72:26]
John Lovett
Of course. Of course. It's so corrosive. It's a. And it really, like, hits corrosive.
- [72:30]
John Leguizamo
No, no, I think it's. I think it's inspiring.
- [72:33]
John Lovett
Inspiring. Beautiful.
- [72:34]
John Leguizamo
I get a lot stuff done on my phone. No, no, we do accomplish a lot.
- [72:38]
John Lovett
We do get a lot done on the phone.
- [72:39]
John Leguizamo
Oh, my God.
- [72:40]
John Lovett
For sure. Yeah, for sure. And I don't want to. I don't want to say that you don't want to. Yuck. Your yum. If it's working for you. Clearly. It is. You're drawing, like, wasamo. Yeah, yeah, it's working.
- [72:48]
John Leguizamo
No, you could be. You could. You could be. Yeah.
- [72:51]
John Lovett
Not because of. Not. Well, not. I think it's not holding you back.
- [72:54]
John Leguizamo
You could be contentious with me. It's okay. I don't mind.
- [72:57]
John Lovett
I mean, if I wanted to.
- [72:58]
John Leguizamo
I want to talk to Aaron Sorkin. I want to. I want to. Do you have his number?
- [73:01]
John Lovett
I. No. We lost touch after Newsroom season three.
- [73:07]
John Leguizamo
I like Newsroom. It was such a great show.
- [73:09]
John Lovett
The whole time.
- [73:10]
John Leguizamo
Did you write the best monologues or what?
- [73:12]
John Lovett
Yeah, no, they're all me, but I thought so.
- [73:14]
John Leguizamo
I could tell. I could tell it was you.
- [73:17]
John Lovett
What are we talking about? Oh, the phone. You know what I downloaded to my phone?
- [73:20]
Anthony Carrigan
What?
- [73:20]
John Lovett
An app where it. Every time I try to open Twitter, Instagram, or TikTok, something pops up and says, take a deep breath. And it goes slowly down the screen, and it tells me how many times I've opened it in the last 24 hours. And it has just made it so much harder for me to do the thing I was gonna do anyway and continue to do relentlessly.
- [73:41]
John Leguizamo
So now you're spending more time on.
- [73:42]
John Lovett
Your phone, basically taking these breaths.
- [73:45]
Aristotle Athari
I know.
- [73:46]
Anthony Carrigan
I mean, look, you could do all the things that you can do. Like on some of these dumb phones, they have, like. It's just like a black and white, very, like, slightly slower version of, like, an iPhone. You could do all the things that you want to do on your phone, John. Like, you know. And I'm calling him John because we're friends now. Yeah, yeah.
- [74:00]
John Leguizamo
You read my autobiography?
- [74:01]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah, I did.
- [74:02]
John Leguizamo
I feel close to you a few times.
- [74:05]
Anthony Carrigan
He's got great stories about Seagal, too, by the way.
- [74:07]
John Leguizamo
Oh, my God, I hate him.
- [74:08]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah.
- [74:11]
John Leguizamo
He hit me.
- [74:12]
John Lovett
He hit you?
- [74:12]
Anthony Carrigan
Steven Seagal hit him.
- [74:14]
John Leguizamo
We were doing this movie, executive decision. I was supposed to be his right hand man. He comes into this the first day of rehearsal, and he goes, what I say is law. And I was like. I thought he was joking. And he elbowed me into my solar plexus, knocked me to the ground. And I was like, I hate you.
- [74:33]
John Lovett
So that. I mean. Can I do a spoiler for 1993's executive?
- [74:38]
John Leguizamo
Yes. Yes. Good.
- [74:39]
Anthony Carrigan
Don't know.
- [74:47]
John Leguizamo
He meant that he met.
- [74:49]
John Lovett
Let's spin it again.
- [74:51]
John Leguizamo
He dies. So 10 minutes in, I was so.
- [74:55]
John Lovett
Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's like, I just. I don't understand when he had time to punch you because you get up until you get out of the Stealth bomber into Marine One or whatever. No, it's just an airplane.
- [75:05]
John Leguizamo
He didn't want to come out the day he died out of his trailer because he didn't want to die.
- [75:09]
John Lovett
He was furious.
- [75:10]
John Leguizamo
And I was waiting for him. Even though it was fake, I wanted to believe it was real.
- [75:15]
John Lovett
Because this is. Because the movie. It's Kurt Russell and Steven Seagal.
- [75:20]
John Leguizamo
It's all advertising and a host of.
- [75:21]
John Lovett
Other actors, a lot of great actors, but Steven Seagal is like a big. He's an action star. He's done Under Siege. And now and then you're 10 minutes into the movie and the fucking connector to the plane is shaking. I love that. And then all of a sudden, Steven Seagal goes, like, complete the mission and then closes the fucking thing. You're like. Dies?
- [75:38]
John Leguizamo
Yes.
- [75:38]
John Lovett
Dead. That's why he punched you. He was mad. Yeah, he was.
- [75:42]
John Leguizamo
He was in Russia. He lives in Russia. And he's like. With Putin?
- [75:45]
John Lovett
Yeah, for sure.
- [75:46]
John Leguizamo
How do you say it? He says it.
- [75:47]
John Lovett
Putin.
- [75:48]
Anthony Carrigan
He was legitimately mad that he was. It's almost like he didn't even know he was gonna die in this movie. And he signed on. He was there. And he literally wouldn't come out of his trailer. Again, this is all based on the book, but.
- [76:01]
John Leguizamo
He wouldn't come out.
- [76:01]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah, yeah.
- [76:02]
John Leguizamo
They had to talk. Talk him out of his trailer because he was trying to talk them into. Keep him alive. Yeah.
- [76:07]
John Lovett
So he thought he assumed that. He saw the script, saw he was supposed to die, and assumed he would charm his way.
- [76:12]
Anthony Carrigan
Yes, yes.
- [76:13]
John Leguizamo
Because they had the most charming human being on the planet.
- [76:15]
John Lovett
Once they had the Steven Seagal experience, they couldn't possibly let the stealth bomber just fly off their thing.
- [76:22]
Aristotle Athari
Right. As soon as he elbowed you in the solar plexus, they would keep him on. Yes, yes. You know, yeah.
- [76:27]
John Lovett
Once he leveled John Leguizamo on set, they'd be like, this is 5, 8.
- [76:31]
John Leguizamo
He'S 6, 5 and runs like a girl. Which is nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.
- [76:35]
John Lovett
Nothing wrong with that.
- [76:36]
John Leguizamo
He does like he's double Dutch like this.
- [76:39]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah, yeah, he does.
- [76:42]
John Leguizamo
He does. He runs like that for real. No joke.
- [76:45]
Anthony Carrigan
He. He did run track, but he will kick your ass.
- [76:47]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he kicked my ass.
- [76:49]
John Lovett
I'm not gonna lie, big dude.
- [76:50]
Anthony Carrigan
I. I read the book so I can talk like I was there. So. Yeah. So hit him in the sol. And then, and then, and then John and Kurt Russell had a butting heads because he kept improving.
- [76:59]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, I know. We didn't get along either. I don't get along with a lot of people.
- [77:01]
Anthony Carrigan
It was a lot. I was just like, why are you doing this, man?
- [77:03]
John Lovett
I just say we've done hundreds of episodes of this show. I've never in the history just been had someone else be like, I'm gonna bring. I wanna go through the book of another guest. And I love it. It's awesome. It's awesome.
- [77:16]
Anthony Carrigan
It's amazing.
- [77:17]
John Lovett
It's fantastic.
- [77:18]
Anthony Carrigan
He's a hero to me. You don't understand. So like sitting in the. I'm not kidding. The last time I. So the last time I met a hero backstage, I didn't tell him how much. And I'm. And when I, when you, when I finish this story, you can say thank you.
- [77:33]
John Leguizamo
I'm saying thank you already.
- [77:35]
Anthony Carrigan
The last time I was backstage with a hero, which was Robin Williams, I didn't. And I did a full on show with him at ucb. I didn't tell. I acted like a fucking cool cucumber. I didn't tell him how important he was to me. And he even talked to us for a good hour after the show and then not that long after that, he was gone. So I'm telling. And the same thing happened with John Ritter.
- [78:00]
John Leguizamo
Oh my God.
- [78:01]
John Lovett
You're the.
- [78:03]
John Leguizamo
I gotta go out of here.
- [78:05]
John Lovett
No, no, no. What I'm saying, Angel is trying to say. Angel is definitely outta here. You don't die. Stay away from me. Gonna kill John Leguizamo. Stay away from me. Angel of fucking death, our son.
- [78:22]
Anthony Carrigan
That's why I'm telling you because.
- [78:24]
John Lovett
Because I didn't say my name. I didn't tell.
- [78:26]
Anthony Carrigan
I didn't tell Robert.
- [78:27]
John Leguizamo
Don't say my name.
- [78:33]
Anthony Carrigan
There you go. I'm telling you, cuz I want you alive.
- [78:40]
John Lovett
I think I will say. We'll sage it mentally. You can come back.
- [78:43]
Anthony Carrigan
Probably come back, come back.
- [78:45]
John Lovett
I think he's really gone. I think he stopped. Here's the thing. You don't get to be John Leguizamo without committing to the bit. He's in his car, he's fucking gone. I met one of my heroes once. It was George Lucas. And I was at a party because I was at the time a plus one to someone who was invited to that kind of thing. And I see George Lucas and I'm like, I'm gonna go ask. And my partner at the time said, don't do it. And I'm like, I'm gonna ask. I was like, don't do it. I was like, I'm gonna do it. So I go up to George Lucas and I was like, hey, the Internet has a theory. The theory is that Jar Jar Binks was always meant to be revealed in the third film to be Darth Jar Jar. It was supposed to be this reveal because you set up Jar Jar as this flummox goof. And then all of a sudden, the third movie, Jar Jar drops the act and you realize Darth Jar Jar was there the whole time pulling the strings. And there are way. If you look in the first movie, you can find signs of this. But that the reaction to Jar Jar was so negative that he killed that and invented Count Dooku and just replaced what was supposed to be Darth Jar Jar with Count Dooku, which doesn't actually make sense. Why wouldn't you have introduced, like, Count Dooku? Doesn't make sense. It's just like the whole thing's a mess. And so I went up to George Lucas and I was like, what? Darth Jar Jar? Was it real? And when I say that, that man looked at me with a level of. Of disdain. Like. Like. Like he was like, no. What? Like it wasn't even, like a fun, charming wink. No, it was. No. What? Never. Nothing never occurred to me. What are you talking about?
- [80:28]
Anthony Carrigan
I think that would. I think that would have been so rad, actually.
- [80:31]
John Lovett
It was a good idea. That was a great idea totally.
- [80:33]
Aristotle Athari
For me to go misa the bad guy.
- [80:35]
Anthony Carrigan
Yeah.
- [80:39]
Aristotle Athari
Do we think, you know, you guys seen the movie.
- [80:41]
Anthony Carrigan
John, can you please come back?
- [80:43]
John Lovett
John Leguizamo.
- [80:47]
John Leguizamo
Hey, it's safe to come back. It's safe to come back.
- [80:51]
John Lovett
It's safe, it's safe. It's safe.
- [80:53]
Anthony Carrigan
I'm just saying. I'm telling you this so that it doesn't happen. That's what. That's what I'm saying. Cuz I didn't. To the other guys. And here you go. Okay? So there you go. Got you. You got all. Got the whole spectrum of feelings going on.
- [81:03]
John Lovett
Always meet your heroes, then kill them.
- [81:05]
Anthony Carrigan
Yes.
- [81:09]
John Lovett
Let's spin it again. Anthony, what is something you want to declare your independence from?
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Aristotle Athari
Steven Seagal. He runs like a girl. You know, my buddy John. I'm not. You know. Yeah. Wherever you are in Russia. Yeah, you can fucking stay there.
- [81:34]
John Lovett
Yeah, you got him. Let's spin it again. John, what's something you'd like to declare your independence from?
- [81:48]
John Leguizamo
How is it that it hits each one of us?
- [81:52]
John Lovett
I'll ask it.
- [81:52]
John Leguizamo
How come is a goat?
- [81:54]
John Lovett
What is the. The purpose of the wheel at all? There's four people on this stage. We're each gonna go, what's the value? Why do we do it?
- [82:01]
John Leguizamo
Am I ruining the whole thing? The whole reality?
- [82:03]
John Lovett
You couldn't. Because this has been a stupid gimmick for literally eight years. It has never worked.
- [82:09]
John Leguizamo
I didn't mean to like ruin it.
- [82:11]
John Lovett
And what's crazy, every time we drop the wheel, something isn't right. And even though this doesn't make sense at all, there's something it does in our brains.
- [82:21]
John Leguizamo
Yes, it does.
- [82:22]
John Lovett
It releases a little endorphin or something. When it's. When you see your face. Stop on the wheel and you'll come alive.
- [82:28]
John Leguizamo
It had the opposite effect. There was an endorphins that. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. I was gonna say the Democratic Party. I was feeling. I don't know. I feel like we're in such a mess and it's. I don't know. But what do I do myself? I don't know. I've been a Democrat my whole entire life, but it's such a mess. I don't know. Social Democrat, socialist Democrat. I don't know. Okay, Independent. It's a tough time to be a Democrat.
- [83:02]
John Lovett
Yeah, there are a bunch of goofs. My view, my take on.
- [83:08]
John Leguizamo
I'm sure you have a good take.
- [83:09]
John Lovett
Well, my view on all of it is like, I am a Democrat. It's not because I love Democrats like the elected politicians. It's because in a two party system, and we will be a two Party system forever. I mean, you can do ranked choice, which is a great thing. A lot of changes you can make. But if you have first past the post congressional districts, we're just gonna be some form of two party system for a while unless we make some big reforms, which takes power to win, which would require the Democratic Party to win. But I've never. The Democratic Party is just the best vehicle we have to represent the biggest movement we could possibly build. And that to me should be a. A big pro democracy movement that captures basically anybody that believes in democracy, the rule of law, equality, basic compassion, that's anti corruption, that sort of believes in these precepts. And we need to build as big a broad, diverse coalition of people under that banner. Right now it should be under the Democratic Party banner. I don't care if you're in the. I don't care if you register as a Democrat. I don't care how anyone identifies. But you get behind the people. Sometimes they'll be Democrats, sometimes they might be Democratic socialists like Mamdani. You get behind the people that are gonna help achieve those ends and that are a part of.
- [84:20]
John Leguizamo
Okay, I'm sold. I'm back.
- [84:21]
John Lovett
Great.
- [84:21]
John Leguizamo
Yay. Thank you. Thank you for talking me down.
- [84:26]
John Lovett
Yeah, no, and like, I appreciate that. I just, it's. And then we have to do our best to make sure that the people that lead the Democratic Party aren't, you know, skeletons, empty suits just sort of crawling out from the abyss to release press statements in front of a country they don't know or understand. That to me is a big problem as well. So that's something to think about. Let's spin it again. Oh, it's landed on me. Terrific. That's perfect. We're about to have the July 4th holiday and there's gonna be a lot of news that happens. I am eager to declare my independence from the news for a couple weeks. We're gonna take a break. And I find that one of the hardest parts of keeping up with this era, where part of the goal and strategy of the other side is to be relentless and exhausting knowing that it takes more time to dispel something false than to say something false. That it's harder to play a game when you care about the rules. It just is. But part of. I think the challenge is feeling like it's hard to have perspective when you're keeping up with everything all the time. And I like keeping up with everything all the time. But I think sometimes it's valuable for all of us to take a moment step back and remember that the chaos machine, the kind of screaming chaos machine will be there even if we put it aside for a little bit. And I'm excited to step back for a couple weeks and come back because one of the things I'm proudest about getting to do this show is we've been doing it for a very long time. But everybody on this team is interested in what it means to have it feel valuable and new, even though we're all, I think, going through this together. And a lot of what we have to point out to us feels a bit obvious. Part of the dispiriting aspect all of this is how much of what we're dealing with is both incredibly dangerous and incredibly obvious and stupid at the same time. But I'm really proud of the shows we've been doing, but I'm also excited to have some time for us to step back and think about how we can keep figuring out how to respond. And I think sometimes that means for all of us, getting back into history, getting out of the present. And so that's what I'm going to declare my independence from. After we do the Pod Monday. All right.
- [87:07]
John Leguizamo
Yeah, yeah.
- [87:11]
John Lovett
And then I'll get to go see Megan 2.0.
- [87:15]
Anthony Carrigan
2.0.
- [87:15]
John Leguizamo
Yeah.
- [87:16]
John Lovett
Got to see that Superman. And then watch you set stuff on fire and make some porno or whatever it is. I think that's the gist of it on Smoke. And that's our show. Thank you so much. Thank you, Donald Anthony Kerrigan and Aristotle Atari. We're off till July 31, but we're dropping some special bonus content on the feed and on YouTube, so make sure to tune in. There are 49093 days until the midterm elections. Have a great night and have a great weekend. If you're already scrolling endlessly, which we know you are, don't forget to follow us at Crooked media on Instagram, TikTok and all the other ones for original content, community events and more. You can also find Love it or leave it on YouTube for videos of your favorite segments and other YouTube exclusive content. And if you want to type our praises or rip us a new one, consider dropping us a review. Finally, you can join Crooked's Friends of the Pod subscription community for ad free Love it or Leave it and Pod Save America episodes, subscriber, exclusive pods and more. Sign up@crooked.com friends love it or Leave it is a Crooked Media production. It is written and produced by me, John Lovett and Lee Eisenberg. Kendra James is our executive producer Bill McGrath is our producer and Kennedy Hill is our associate producer. Hallie Kiefer is our head writer. Sarah Lazarus, Jocelyn Coffin, Peter Miller, Alan Pierre and Will Miles are our writers. Jordan Kantor is our editor. Kyle Seglin and Charlotte Landis provide audio support. Stephen Colon is our audio engineer. Our theme song is written and performed by Cher. Sure. Thanks to our designer, Sammy Cadearna Ries for creating and running all of our visuals, which you can't see because this is a podcast. And thanks to our digital producers David Toles, Claudia Shang, Mia Kelman, Delon Villanueva, and Rachel Gajewski for filming and editing video each week. Our head of production is Matt De Groat and our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East. Welcome back to Listen to youo Heart. I'm Jerry and I'm Jerry's Heart. Today's topic Repatha Evolocumab Heart. Why'd you pick this one? Well, Jerry, for people who have had a heart attack like us, diet and exercise might not be enough to lower the risk of another one. Okay, to help know if we're at risk, we should be getting our LDL C, our bad cholesterol checked, and talking to our doctor.
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John Leguizamo
I'm listening.
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