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This week, Donald Trump sends National Guard troops to Los Angeles to chase their dreams, JD Vance bros out about musicals, and Kristi Noem tells us to reject the evidence of our eyes and ears. Parvati Shallow and Courtney Act dive into the deep end and also the less-deep end, before we spin the wheel of villains who were actually really cool in a scene that got cut, probably. Upcoming shows: crooked.com/events
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Nate Silver
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Maria Konnikova
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Maria Konnikova
And I'm Maria Konnikova.
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Nate Silver
We're journalists who moonlight as high stakes poker players. And on our podcast Risky Business, we bring an analytical lens, thinking about odds, incentives and outcomes to the choices shaping our democracy. Because every move in politics is a calculation and sometimes our leaders can make bad bets.
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Maria Konnikova
You don't say Nate.
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Nate Silver
If you want to understand what our politicians are thinking and what's at stake with each decision they make, this show is for you. Listen to Risky Business wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, Los Angeles? Welcome to Love it or Leave it live from Dynasty typewriter. Great day. We've got a great show for you tonight. Drag Race icon whose name is a rare pun that only works in an accent. Court. I gotta fucking do it. Courtney act is here. Courtney Act. That's how you have to do it. Courtney Act. Because Courtney act doesn't do anything. Doesn't make any sense. You have to say Courtney Act. Survivor legend Parvati Shallow is here, also of Trader's fame. Three of us are going to talk about our equally successful reality careers. Then we take our favorite reel for a villainous spin. Hmm. But first, let's get into it. What a week. On Saturday, President Trump deployed 2000 California National Guard troops to Los Angeles after protests against ice sweeps in the city led to instances of vandalism and violence. Louisiana has been in the news too much this year. Deadly wildfires and a military deployment were collectively too hot for this. The LAPD made clear that as one of the largest police departments in the world, with 17 helicopters, including one that I believe is assigned above my house, it did not need and would not have requested the assistance. Because if we don't use these rubber bullets by the end of the summer, they go bad, they get soft, and then it starts to feel good. Too good. Trump's obvious goal was to sow chaos, which is exactly what he got at protests in downtown LA on Sunday. A group of demonstrators set several Waymo self driving taxis on fire. Jesus. Still got to Bestia just fine, though, so don't worry about that. We got an email, we talked about this on the pod whenever we recorded the pod earlier this week. And we joked about the fact that there were reports that people were calling Waymos to the protest to set them on fire, which is very kind of Wall E. You know, it's like, why are you doing this? I'm here to help. I know nothing of ice. We got an email from, like, Praymo saying, actually, there's no evidence that that happened, but I know you guys just like to joke around. It's like, okay, how'd they get there? Meanwhile, National Guard troops, who were deployed at an estimated cost of $134 million, arrived without lodging and were photographed sleeping on floors. Hang in there, fellas. That was Jacob Elordi before Euphoria. Hold on to the dream. Trump went further Monday, mobilizing another 2,000 National Guard troops and more than 700 Marines. Semper Fi. More like Semper finally gonna try that Hailey Bieber smoothie. I love that joke. I don't care. Semper finally Gonna try that Hailey Bieber smoothie. As the escalation continued, Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, threatened to arrest anyone who obstructed immigration enforcement and wouldn't rule out arresting California Governor Gavin Newsom or LA Mayor Karen Bass. Good luck, Dick. Because if I know Mayor Bass, she'll be out of the country. At the first sign of trouble, Newsom had this response. He's a tough guy.
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Courtney Act
Why doesn't he do that?
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Nate Silver
He knows where to find me.
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Courtney Act
But you know what?
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Nate Silver
Lay your hands off. Four year old girls that are trying to get educated come after me, arrest me. Let's just get it over with. And then Newsom added, kill me. Come on, kill me. Come on, do it now.
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Maria Konnikova
Kill me.
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Nate Silver
And then on Tuesday, standing in front of uniformed members of the military, Trump accused Newsom and Bass of paying protesters in our own city in Los Angeles. The governor of California and the mayor of Los Angeles, they're incompetent and they paid troublemakers, agitators and insurrectionists. They're engaged in this willful attempt to nullify federal law and aid the occupation of the city by criminal invaders. That's what it is. What's sad is how much cheaper it is to protest in Vancouver. Like, even if it involves sending the agitators that are from Los Angeles, it is cheaper to bring the whole protest to Vancouver. We have got to bring protests back to Los Angeles. Some kind of a tax thing. We gotta fix it. Veterans and military experts were horrified to see Trump politicizing the military in this way. Standing in front of soldiers in uniform as a backdrop for a partisan speech, goading them into booing Democrats. Disgusting. Soldiers aren't political props unless it's your birthday. Later that very day, before seeing Les Mis, of course, we got this stellar moment with Trump and his wife of many years, Melania. Have you seen the musical before? And do you identify more with Jean Valjean or Javert? That's a tough one. That last part of that question. That's tough. I think you better. You better answer that one, honey. I don't know the. I've seen it. We've seen it a number of times. It's fantastic. I thought it was just about our first choice. This is what we got. And we have others coming. Other great ones are coming. My. My contract for tonight, very clear. I am not speak. JD Vance was also in attendance and he tweeted this before the show. He said, about to see Les Miserables with pot at the Kennedy Center. Me to Usha, so what's this about a barber who kills people. Usha Hysterical laughter. So just for those keeping track, knowing what Les Mis is gay, knowing what a Sondheim musical is. Straight as hell. Remember when he was talking about the essence of masculinity? Yeah, me too. Speaking of miserables, on Thursday, Democratic Senator Alex Padilla crashed DHS Secretary Kristi Noem's LA press conference and got physically wrestled from the room.
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Maria Konnikova
I'm Senator Alex Padilla.
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Nate Silver
I have questions for the secretary because the fact of the matter is a.
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Maria Konnikova
Half a dozen stealing criminals that you're.
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Nate Silver
Rotating on your sector on your. See, that's what makes Gaga amazing. She can sing while doing the moves anyone could do a studio album. I also when I saw this, I didn't realize I had a separate deeper chamber of stress diarrhea to unlock. In the full video, you can see Senator Padilla forced to the ground and handcuffed by police. This is now the second most badass Alex Padilla clip, right after his smooth tortilla rolling technique. That's cool as hell. Padilla had to deal with all this just for asking a question. And the question wasn't, who wants to see this Waymo burn? DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin blamed Padilla for the row tweeting, Senator Padilla chose disrespectful political theater and interrupted a live press conference without identifying himself or having his Senate security pin on as he lunged towards Secretary Noem. And Secret Service thought he was an attacker and officers acted appropriately. But we hear him say in that video out loud, I'm Senator Alex Padilla. He does not lunch. They're lying about something we can debunk with our eyeballs and our ear holes in some way that's even more ominous than shoving and handcuffing a senator. But in other ways is it? Anyway, this is a comedy show. Padilla spoke with the press afterwards where he said this. I was there peacefully. At one point I had a question.
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Maria Konnikova
And so I began to ask a question.
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Nate Silver
I was almost immediately forcibly removed from the room.
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Maria Konnikova
I was forced to the ground and I was handcuffed.
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Nate Silver
While on Fox News, Noem stuck with the unidentified lunger theory and this man.
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Courtney Act
Burst into the room, started lunging towards the podium, interrupting me and elevating his voice and was stopped, did not identify himself and was removed from the room. So as soon as he identified himself, you know, appropriate actions were taken.
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Nate Silver
They keep describing a 52 year old senator and software engineer announcing himself while speaking calmly as lunging. Next they'll tell us that a second Alex Padilla has collided with the podium. Do I need to say it a second? Alex Padilla has hit the podium. But hey, if you're going to march into authoritarianism, why not do it in style? The military parade for Trump's birthday on Saturday is expected to cost at least $45 million, of which 16 million has been set aside to repair DC roads that will be damaged by heavy tanks rolling through town. But when Cory Booker runs out in front of a tank Tiananmen Square style, and announces a book called Stand two, Stand Harder, Priceless. If you're hearing this Saturday morning, go out and fucking protest. Do it right now. Go to votesaveamerica.com nokings and you can find one near you. Let's make sure everybody gets out there. Everybody here gonna be out there. Yeah. Good. Speaking of fucked up roads to be on, Health and Human Service Secretary RFK Jr. Announced Monday that he was retiring all 17 members of the advisory committee that reviews vaccine data and makes recommendations to the cdc. Bad news among the eight new advisors chosen to replace the old panel are a number of vaccine skeptics and deniers. Good news Shorter lines at the toy store this Christmas. Speaking of people who don't go to the toy store on Tuesday, Elon Musk tweeted, I regret some of my posts about real Donald Trump last week. They went too far. Sad. It seems last week's ketamine is wearing off, allowing Elon Musk to see his actions in the cold light of this week's ketamine. And speaking of feuds, on Wednesday, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul told reporters that he'd been uninvited from the White House picnic when over his opposition to Trump's big, beautiful bill. I've just been told that I've been uninvited from the picnic. I think I'm the first senator in the history of the United States to be uninvited to the White House picnic. The White House is owned by the taxpayers. We all are members of it. Every Democrat will be invited. Every Republican will be invited. But I will be the only one disallowed to come on the grounds of the White House. I just find this incredibly petty. You'd think someone like Rand Paul would have built up more of a tolerance to being left out of stuff. Just so everybody knows. That was a very brief excerpt of Rand Paul's full remarks about being uninvited to the White House picnic, which continued for over seven minutes. Trump later posted a message clarifying that of course Rand Paul is invited to his picnic. What a rollercoaster. My heart is fucking pounding, wrote Trump. Of course Senator Paul and his beautiful wife and family are invited to the big White House party today. He's the toughest vote in the history of the U.S. senate. But why wouldn't he be? The only thing more embarrassing than getting uninvited from a big party is getting reinvited after you make a big public stink about it. Hey, so good to see you. It's me from the tantrum. But hey, a pity invite is still an invite. How do you think I got invited to the White House for the first time? Pope Leo XIV went full Chicago Pope and donned a White Sox hat during an appearance at the Vatican on Wednesday, said a Cubs fan. We'll get the next pope from Chicago. British researchers examining the vet records of over 2 million dogs found which breeds were most prone to diarrhea. Turns out it's something called the gallon of liquid shih Tz. In fact, the wrist was actually higher for six breeds the Maltese, the miniature poodle, Cavapoot, German shepherd and Yorkshire Terrier. I'm not sure why the researchers would refer to those breeds as the John Lovetts of the dog world, but any press is good press, I guess. A lot of diarrhea material today, plus the jokes about it in the show. A federal judge yeah, thank Shut up. Shut up. Still got it. Still got it. A federal judge on Monday dismissed Justin Baldoni's $400 million defamation suit against Blake Lively, her husband, Ryan Reynolds and the New York Times. The deal was you can do anything you want to me as long as the suit stays on, said Ryan Reynolds, in his Deadpool costume. As the judge did his stretches, costume stays on. Speaking of getting around, Brian Wilson, legendary member of the Beach Boys, died this week at the age of 82. Said Rhonda, hanging up the paddles. I did everything I could. You get it. Coming up, it's Courtney act and poverty. Shallow.
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Maria Konnikova
Hey, don't go anywhere.
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Nate Silver
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Maria Konnikova
Courtney act.
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Courtney Act
That's how you say it.
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Maria Konnikova
Popped a button as I sat down.
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Courtney Act
Courtney act. We heard a lot of jokes about diarrhea when we were birthday.
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Nate Silver
I forgot that. I forgot that you both could hear that.
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Courtney Act
I have a question.
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Nate Silver
Yeah.
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Courtney Act
For you.
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Nate Silver
Okay.
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Courtney Act
Were you on Survivor long enough to.
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Maria Konnikova
Onto his own show?
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Nate Silver
I'm so excited to find out what this is.
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Courtney Act
This is violence, but this is actually a real question and it relates to diarrhea. So I feel like we're really on topic. Were you on Survivor long enough to have had a relationship with coconuts such that you understand that coconuts are a natural laxative.
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Nate Silver
I will say yes.
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Maria Konnikova
Only.
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Nate Silver
Yeah, well, yeah. Yes.
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Courtney Act
That's all we needed to know.
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Nate Silver
Courtney.
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Maria Konnikova
Yes.
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Nate Silver
Parvati and I have actually talked at length quite recently, and so we wanted to catch you up. And that'll start by just showing you how I did on Survivor. Let's roll the clip. Looking at my tribe, I'm realizing I'm not getting to know a group of people. I'm getting to know a group of young people. I am 41 years. Okay, so I'm old now. No, I really like mine. I like, there's so much back in my day stuff coming out of my mouth. But being a speechwriter, I learned that you need to be able to put yourself in other people's shoes. I'm addicted to TikTok. So all the boomers are like, we gotta train it on TikTok.
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Courtney Act
And I'm just like, I need my.
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Maria Konnikova
Videos of like, dogs getting adopted.
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Nate Silver
I'm realizing that I'm the oldest person here, but I'm not gonna let that stop me from trying to build things with these people.
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Maria Konnikova
Was that like Survivor Junior or something?
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Courtney Act
It was really cute. It was so cute.
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Maria Konnikova
They were all 12.
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Nate Silver
They were young. Yeah, well, people keep getting younger as you get older. Isn't that strange?
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Maria Konnikova
It's so weird.
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Nate Silver
It's so strange.
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Maria Konnikova
I used to be the youngest.
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Nate Silver
I know. Well, there's, you know, there's some. There's somebody quote which is a. There's no such thing as a 30 year old prodigy. Remember that? The. I interviewed. I interviewed Mamdani Zora Mamdani today for Pod Save America. And I was like, oh, my God, he's 33. Are you fucking kidding me? He's running to be mayor of New York. He's 33 years old.
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Courtney Act
That's what we need, fresh representation.
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Maria Konnikova
But not too young, because like, no offense, 20 year olds, but you're idiots. Agree. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was 20 once. I can say that. But, like, really, like, you hear, like, I love and impassioned empower. I love the energy and I love the vibe. But sometimes I'm just like, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Nate Silver
Well, it's so hard to know the difference, right? Because sometimes it's like, am I. Are you young or am I old? Right? You know what I'm saying? Like, are you saying something that I can't. Is a person. It's very hard to tell the difference when you're 20 or when you're 40. If a 20 year old is bringing an interesting and fresh perspective that I'm not ready to hear. Or they're stupid.
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Maria Konnikova
Well, I think, you know, if you had the same idea at your 20, but now you're old enough to be realistic, like every other godless, money hungry, miserable, backstabbing so and so.
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Nate Silver
Yeah.
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Maria Konnikova
You know what I mean? But if it's like a new idea that you're like, oh, I should have thought of that when I was 25, let's do that. Let's do what that 25 year old says, then it's a good idea.
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Courtney Act
I would do what you're saying. I would do it. You're ageless. Also, I feel like you're from death becomes her. Like you drank.
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Maria Konnikova
Thank you. Now a warning. I could be the oldest person here. I'm not sure.
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Courtney Act
I would never know.
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Maria Konnikova
No, we would never know. Well, we could know by asking and finding out. Apart from that, we could never know.
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Courtney Act
Let's poll the audience, Every single one of you. Starting with you.
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Nate Silver
Wait, Courtney, you hosted E's the Bi Life, a dating show made up entirely of bisexuals. Wow.
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Maria Konnikova
Yeah.
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Nate Silver
Were most of them truly bisexual or.
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Maria Konnikova
Were some of them birasia now? Are we.
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Nate Silver
No, I'm kidding.
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Maria Konnikova
See, bisexuality is a spectrum we can't.
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Nate Silver
Erase by people because half of crooked media would disappear.
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Maria Konnikova
Boom. You could be like, I don't know what the what. At what point it stops being a spectrum. But like, if you're like, see, I have sex with people of different genders, and one of my friends who's a gay man was like, you're just gay. You just sleep with women because you want to get with their hot boyfriend. And I was like, well, let's just say that's true for a minute. When was the last time you slept with a woman to get to her hot boyfriend? And he was like, never. And I was like, yeah, so it's different.
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Nate Silver
Right, Right. That's such an important point.
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Maria Konnikova
I'm opportunistic. Sexually.
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Courtney Act
Greedy.
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Maria Konnikova
Thank you.
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Courtney Act
Nothing wrong with being greedy. Thank you. Oh, this show's gonna get.
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Nate Silver
Hi, Howie. Howie, everybody. Oh, you can't hear. Let me do it. Let me. Please, let me host.
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Maria Konnikova
Thank you.
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Courtney Act
That's like Phaedra on Traders. She couldn't. She just had boiled eggs.
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Nate Silver
Just eating boiled.
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Courtney Act
Wait, a boiled egg?
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Nate Silver
What happened?
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Courtney Act
She just loved boiled eggs.
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Maria Konnikova
That can lead to diarrhea.
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Courtney Act
Well, yeah, but I didn't know about anyone's diarrhea on Traders because it's. It's not a talked about thing.
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Nate Silver
Right. Because there's just bathrooms there. So it's like the normal world where you don't talk about it.
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Courtney Act
Exactly. Yeah.
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Nate Silver
Huh.
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Courtney Act
And regular food.
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Nate Silver
It's just regular food.
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Courtney Act
Straight up food.
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Nate Silver
How was the food?
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Courtney Act
No, it was weird. It was like a combination of every night. It was lo mein, mashed potatoes and beef Wellington.
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Nate Silver
Yeah. Cause you're in Scotland.
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Courtney Act
Scotland.
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Nate Silver
So it's still not gonna be.
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Maria Konnikova
They're not known for their cuisine.
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Nate Silver
Yeah.
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Courtney Act
Yeah. I lost a. I lost a survivor amount of weight.
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Nate Silver
Really?
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Courtney Act
Yeah.
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Nate Silver
Wow.
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Maria Konnikova
Because you didn't like the Scottish cuisine.
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Courtney Act
I couldn't do it. It was like a plate of grey.
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Maria Konnikova
Yeah. That's the UK in general. Really.
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Nate Silver
You know what's an interesting difference between. An interesting difference to me between the UK version of the Traders and the American version of the Traders is in the UK version of the Traders, everybody just leaves through the house and just goes. Leaves and goes to wherever the hotel is. But in the American version, they have everyone pretend they're sleeping in the house. Does that mean at the end of every day, everybody shoots walking up the stairs and then you go back down the stairs and leave?
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Courtney Act
I don't know what you're talking about. We live in a castle. We all sleep in the same bedroom with the silk duvet, and we all read the same book.
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Maria Konnikova
She wants to be on All Stars. Yeah.
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Courtney Act
I don't know what you're talking about.
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Nate Silver
There was one moment in the show where someone. I was like. Someone started walking towards the door and somebody tapped them. It was like, no, we're going to bed.
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Courtney Act
I like pointers. Doesn't take itself too seriously.
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Nate Silver
Yeah, I like that too. I like that, too.
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Courtney Act
The cast was leaked today.
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Nate Silver
I saw that. I saw that. I saw that going out there. Yeah. Any thoughts on the cast I love?
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Courtney Act
Well, the survivors that are going out there is Jam. Jam. Natalie Anderson, who I love and I think is going to be so good in the castle because she's so fierce and such a competitor, and she's going to crash at the roundtable. That's what we need. And then Rob Sestrinino.
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Nate Silver
Yeah. The.
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Courtney Act
Rob Cestornino who has a podcast. Who has a podcast and has had a podcast for decades.
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Maria Konnikova
It would be odd if somebody didn't have a podcast these days, to be honest.
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Nate Silver
Yeah.
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Courtney Act
Rob was the first person who had a podcast.
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Nate Silver
He was up. He's. He's one of the greats.
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Courtney Act
Wait, who's going to do his podcast?
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Nate Silver
I've been on his podcast.
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Courtney Act
I've also put. How's it gonna go when he's in Scotland doing Traders pre record? He's thought this through. We don't have to worry about this.
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Nate Silver
So wait, Courtney, you do have a podcast?
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Maria Konnikova
I do.
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Nate Silver
It's called rnr.
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Maria Konnikova
It's called. You say in an American accent, the letters R, N, R, R, N, R. And it sounds like R. No.
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Nate Silver
No.
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Maria Konnikova
Thank you. I'm so glad you laughed.
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Nate Silver
In your podcast, you go deep with guests like Nicole Byer and Margaret Cho. Parvati. Your last name's Shallow.
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Courtney Act
It is. Oh, it always has been.
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Nate Silver
So it's time for a segment we call Deep and Shallow Questions. So we have a mix of deep questions and shallow questions. That's it. That's the format.
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Maria Konnikova
Well, I try to go deep, but, you know, you come up with the concept for the podcast before you actually film it, and then you realize sometimes going deep is a real challenge. You try and go deep, but then you realize that it's kind of odd to talk to your friend of 15 years about, like, that. Their childhood or your trauma. Yeah. Because you just. You've got too many jokes that you're making. You're having too much fun. But I. I think I got there.
- [27:57]
Courtney Act
It's not. It's cool to joke about trauma.
- [27:59]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah, yeah. Or die trying.
- [28:03]
Courtney Act
You'll never die. You drank the potion.
- [28:08]
Nate Silver
Some people are shallow. They just don't have it. You scratch beneath the surface, and you just get air down there. No, no, no. You are a shallow. But we've had a long conversation. I think that you're many layers to poverty. That's my thinking about it. I noticed in talking about you, I don't think you're shallow. I really don't. I genuinely don't. Why don't you?
- [28:28]
Courtney Act
I'm not. I won't vote you out.
- [28:29]
Nate Silver
I know what I went through.
- [28:31]
Courtney Act
I'm not going to re. Traumatize you.
- [28:34]
Nate Silver
Man got out first. I never even got to.
- [28:37]
Maria Konnikova
You're the pork chop of Survivor.
- [28:41]
Courtney Act
The pork chop.
- [28:42]
Nate Silver
All right, so we have deep questions, and we have shallow questions. Let's start with a shallow question. What do you think of the return of the tankini?
- [28:53]
Maria Konnikova
Ooh, I want that to pry. She's famous. Oh, that's Bella Hadid. It says it there.
- [29:01]
Courtney Act
Yeah, I mean, she's. She's selling me the tankini right now. A gingham tankini?
- [29:07]
Maria Konnikova
Is that what a tankini is?
- [29:08]
Courtney Act
Dorothy, wizard of Oz.
- [29:10]
Nate Silver
What is a tankini top?
- [29:12]
Courtney Act
Oh, this was, like, early 2000s, right? Like.
- [29:15]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah.
- [29:15]
Courtney Act
Or 90s. Late 90s.
- [29:17]
Nate Silver
Deep question.
- [29:18]
Courtney Act
Okay, Moving on.
- [29:27]
Nate Silver
What will what will what? Do you think there's something you're going to look back on from this time in your life and regret.
- [29:40]
Courtney Act
Doing this podcast?
- [29:42]
Maria Konnikova
No, I mean, I'll get deep. So there's a gentleman that I have sexual relations with.
- [29:52]
Nate Silver
I love drag in drag.
- [29:54]
Maria Konnikova
He's an Olympian. We actually met in hotel quarantine because, remember, during COVID Australia, had those, like, the two weeks you had to lock down in a hotel before you could get into the country. So he is a heterosexual identifying Olympian who decided while in hotel quarantine that he would download Grindr. And I was also in hotel quarantine on Grindr, and we matched, and then we started chatting, and then it came to Friday night, and I had to get into drag to, like, film some content from inside hotel quarantine. And so we, like. I ordered. You could, like, order cocktails. Ooh, my pants popped again. You could order, like, cocktails and have them delivered back in that time, like, pre mixed margaritas. So I ordered him, like, a bottle of margaritas, and then we FaceTimed and, like, had a date because we couldn't see each other. Cause we're in quarantine.
- [30:46]
Nate Silver
But you're in the same building.
- [30:47]
Maria Konnikova
We're in the same building just across the hall. I was like, what level are you on? Because I could make a dash for it. Like, it'd be worth it. This guy's fucking hot.
- [30:55]
Nate Silver
It's not a prison. Were there guards in the hallways?
- [30:57]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah, I mean, it was quarantine. It was, like, not guards with guns in America. Sorry.
- [31:06]
Nate Silver
No. What am I thinking?
- [31:08]
Maria Konnikova
Actually? But we still are in contact and, you know, hopping on the good foot and doing the bad thing occasionally. And he. We were messaging last night, and he was like, oh, I won't get to see you till September. Like, send me some photos or videos now. I don't send, you know, nudes as a rule, but I have taken some artistic content that doesn't involve my genitals. And I sort of went through and I found it, and I was like, do you know what? I need to take more videos of me looking like a hot slut now while I look like a hot slut. Because later all I'm gonna have is this, like, Snapchat video from 2000. Whatever. It's sort of like the Moira Rose. Take a lot of naked pictures of yourself and make sure you publish them on the Internet. Or one day your children are gonna go looking for them and they won't be there. That sort of thing.
- [32:00]
Courtney Act
There's Nothing wrong with Moira Rose, right? Everything is right with that woman.
- [32:05]
Nate Silver
That was so beautiful.
- [32:06]
Courtney Act
It was.
- [32:07]
Maria Konnikova
You'll never be inspired. You'll never be as young as you are right now. So take naked photos and videos and look back at them with glee.
- [32:15]
Courtney Act
Write this down in your notes app.
- [32:19]
Nate Silver
No.
- [32:20]
Courtney Act
Yeah.
- [32:21]
Maria Konnikova
No, I think it's.
- [32:22]
Nate Silver
I think you're. I think it's beautiful. I don't think I can. And I think you're right. That I'll regret it.
- [32:28]
Maria Konnikova
How do you feel about your naked body? Is that too deep?
- [32:30]
Nate Silver
I don't think about it much at all.
- [32:33]
Maria Konnikova
Take your vagina to a restaurant of its choice.
- [32:36]
Nate Silver
Yeah.
- [32:37]
Courtney Act
John, you have a hot bod.
- [32:38]
Nate Silver
Oh, thanks for saying that, Parvati.
- [32:40]
Courtney Act
Well, I can tell through the teaching.
- [32:44]
Nate Silver
I've been doing pilates and taking experimental pancreas medicine. They're both kind of working.
- [32:48]
Courtney Act
It's working. But there is something very hot to a physical boundary, like in Covid, where you couldn't get on a plane and you couldn't go meet someone. It's like something ramps up the heat and the passion there. It's.
- [33:03]
Maria Konnikova
This is what the TV show Catfish discovered a long time ago.
- [33:07]
Courtney Act
Whatever happened to that show?
- [33:10]
Nate Silver
Yeah, no, that's what I took away from it, too, that it's beautiful and inspiring what people do when they can't see each other. What's the status of you and the Olympian? Are we going for the gold? Are we gonna. Are they.
- [33:22]
Courtney Act
Are we top podium?
- [33:23]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah, we've gone for the gold, but he has a partner now, and so we don't do the thing. But he. He has told her about. He. About me, and. And, like, I've gone on a date with them, which was kind of fun. It was very modern and progressive. I was like, work.
- [33:45]
Nate Silver
Wow.
- [33:45]
Courtney Act
Oh, I love this.
- [33:47]
Maria Konnikova
I'm gonna be like the Heidi Flice, like the. The. Like I picture my apartment in Sydney. I want to, like, host, you know, exploratory heterosexual couples who are looking to, you know, dip their toe into the world of polyamory and bisexuality.
- [34:02]
Courtney Act
This is a very important topic.
- [34:03]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah.
- [34:05]
Nate Silver
And deep.
- [34:05]
Courtney Act
Very deep.
- [34:06]
Nate Silver
This isn't small talk. These are not icebreakers, people.
- [34:11]
Maria Konnikova
Hey, don't go anywhere.
- [34:12]
Nate Silver
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- [35:23]
Maria Konnikova
Too many to say here.
- [35:24]
Nate Silver
Multi vehicle discount, Safe driver discount, New vehicle discount, Storage discount.
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Courtney Act
How many discounts will you stack up? Tap the banner or visit usaa.com autodiscounts restrictions apply. And I will also I'll add to that my own thing about regret because I think this is the first, probably first point in my life because I'm releasing a book. I've written a memoir, which hopefully I don't regret because it's so deeply personal and raw and vulnerable and exposing. And a lot in my life has changed since I completed that book. And so now I'm like, I want to live my life with no regrets because I was in a marriage that didn't work for such a long time. And the reason I got out of that marriage was because I sat with myself and I was like, if I did this for the rest of my life and then I died, would I regret my life? Like, not having actually left this thing and created a life that I loved? And I was like, yeah, I can't. So that's when I really encountered the regret. And now at this point, I'm like, let's explore. I'm divorced. Let's explore.
- [36:40]
Maria Konnikova
So you want to come to my apartment in Sydney? Is that what you say?
- [36:43]
Courtney Act
I'm going to be wearing fuzzy leg warmers and a thong Romance.
- [36:49]
Maria Konnikova
Love crystal thong.
- [36:52]
Nate Silver
Shallow question. What Austin Powers movie is your favorite? There's Austin Powers International man of Mystery, Austin Powers the Spy Who Shagged Me and Austin Powers in Gold. Member?
- [37:09]
Courtney Act
What's the one with a little mini evil?
- [37:11]
Nate Silver
I think that's the Spy who Shagged Me. And then maybe all of them.
- [37:16]
Maria Konnikova
Mine's the one with Beyonce.
- [37:17]
Nate Silver
That's gold. Member.
- [37:21]
Courtney Act
Also Heather Graham.
- [37:23]
Maria Konnikova
Heather Graham on roller skates. Or is that Boogie Nights?
- [37:26]
Nate Silver
That's Boogie Nights. Sorry. Yeah. My favorite Austin Powers movie is Boogie Nights.
- [37:32]
Maria Konnikova
She'll forever be wearing roller skates. In my mind.
- [37:35]
Nate Silver
Yeah. Deep question. I'm glad you got to be here for such a weird episode. Do you believe in truth?
- [37:48]
Courtney Act
Know what your episodes are normally like?
- [37:50]
Nate Silver
Nah, it kind of is.
- [37:51]
Maria Konnikova
Kind of.
- [37:54]
Nate Silver
Do you believe in true love?
- [37:55]
Courtney Act
Yes. Yes. Well, I mean, isn't that, like, what life is about?
- [38:02]
Nate Silver
Well, that's one perspective.
- [38:04]
Courtney Act
Well, there's cheering. So I think, yes, I'm correct. I think that we are here as humans too. I think true love is. I'm a yogi. So it really is uniting with the oneness and source of cosmic creation that sparked life in the beginning, Big bang, and keeps sparking life. And that's what true love is. And when you find that spark, you should write this in your notes app. This is my gift to you. When you find that spark, it could be for pickleball, it could be for bisexual love fests at a party. It could be for diarrhea. Whatever the spark is, like, just throw yourself at it.
- [38:49]
Nate Silver
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. What an impression I make. Do you believe in true love?
- [39:01]
Maria Konnikova
I mean, I don't believe in one true love. Like, I don't like this idea of one person or even like one person forever. I do believe in love. What is the difference between love and true love? I guess that's up for me to decide. I would say that I believe I have been in love and I still love that person and he still loves me. But that was like 10 years ago and we don't want to be together. But I love. I guess this is what you're saying about it could be love of pickleball. Like, I love my. My parents, I love my friends, and those are all true love. But I think the question means, do you believe in one person for you forever? No.
- [39:45]
Courtney Act
Is that what you're interpreting for the question?
- [39:47]
Nate Silver
Isn't that interesting? What a thing to project onto the question. But yeah, probably. But the. Yeah. I feel like what I have come to realize as I've gotten older is we're trained by the culture around love to view it as an unstable equilibrium where, like, love is a marble balancing on an upside down bowl. And you're trying to keep it at the top of the bowl and Survivor challenge.
- [40:17]
Courtney Act
PTSD.
- [40:20]
Nate Silver
50. 50. I'm batting.500 on my Survivor challenges.
- [40:24]
Courtney Act
Marble on bull.
- [40:25]
Nate Silver
Marble on bull. So the marble's on top, and you're, like, desperately trying to keep it from sliding all over. But then what I've come to realize is that, oh, that's what a romantic comedy tells you, and that's what, like, dramatic movies or kind of. That's what culture and entertainment will tell you. But actually, like, the great loves of your life, it's more like a marble sitting in a bowl. And like, if it's the right people, you can go the wrong way, you can say the wrong thing, you can have a fight, but the bowl's gonna stay. The marble's gonna stay in the bowl if the right people for you. You know what I'm saying?
- [40:53]
Courtney Act
Oh, my God. That was the best wedding speech. That was so good for your own wedding. You should use that.
- [40:59]
Nate Silver
Yeah, I should try that.
- [41:01]
Courtney Act
I feel so settled after that story.
- [41:04]
Nate Silver
Shallow question.
- [41:06]
Maria Konnikova
When's the wedding? Yeah.
- [41:08]
Courtney Act
True love. He's found it.
- [41:09]
Maria Konnikova
You found it. Have you found true love?
- [41:10]
Nate Silver
I think so. Yeah. No, I.
- [41:14]
Maria Konnikova
Here's definitive.
- [41:15]
Nate Silver
I'm not. I've actually. No, I have. It's very hard, but it's interesting.
- [41:20]
Maria Konnikova
We'll take that out in Photoshop. Don't worry.
- [41:22]
Nate Silver
No, for sure. No, we'll definitely Photoshop for sure. No, I know that I have. I'm Funny that I'm creating ironic distance from a truth that I know by not saying just yes. Cause I haven't thought about it. I was just asking the question to put it onto you. But now you're asking it back to me, and so I will tell you when I. This is why I'm sort of. Shut up. So when I met my fiance, they presented as a woman. I present as this. I had only dated boys, cisgender men, and they had really only had relationships with women. And we were friends, and then they transitioned, but we had a connection before they transitioned. We were friends. Like, we were buddies, and we worked together, and we were friends, but, like, there was no anything beyond that. How could there be? We just weren't in the right category of people. But then something very strange happens, which is as we become closer friends, they transitioned. Now, when you build, sometimes a romantic attraction can come from intimacy. Sometimes an intimacy can come from a romantic attraction, right? Like, sometimes, like, you can hook up with somebody and you have no feelings. But over time, a real relationship develops. Sometimes over time, Like a sexual attraction or true attraction can develop between two people out of that intimacy, but usually you stay looking about the same through that process. But it is deeply strange to be very close with someone as friends as they slowly evolve into the kind of person that is suddenly inside of the bounds of the kind of person you would be attracted to. And over time, that happened. And for a time, it didn't seem like we were going to be together. And I made my peace with that because I knew that if it could happen, it would happen. And so then we went for a walk, and I said, a long time ago, or we decided not to pursue this because you date women and I date men. If there's a chance that's wrong, I think we should take a chance on it. And then we did, and that was it.
- [43:44]
Courtney Act
Oh, my God. Are you crying? Yes, we're all crying.
- [43:48]
Maria Konnikova
And isn't that also. You talked about them, their form sort of changing, but I guess there could also be something said for them coming into their own physically, which then also changes how attraction works. Not just from your side, but in their confidence, in their own body, in their own person. And it feels like a beautiful. Not a metaphor. What's the right word? Like a beautiful advertisement for identity and gender and people being who they truly are.
- [44:19]
Courtney Act
Yeah. Authenticity is the hardest.
- [44:22]
Nate Silver
Yeah.
- [44:23]
Maria Konnikova
Aw, see, look at that.
- [44:26]
Courtney Act
That was very beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
- [44:28]
Maria Konnikova
Thank you for sharing.
- [44:33]
Nate Silver
What kind of snack do you like to get at the movies?
- [44:37]
Courtney Act
Wait, this is actually great, because back there in the green room is every snack you could ever want at the movies. And I'm into the Sour Patch Kids and the popcorn.
- [44:47]
Maria Konnikova
Well, I devoured that popcorn.
- [44:49]
Courtney Act
Yeah, you went for the pumpkin.
- [44:50]
Maria Konnikova
I really did. And I was getting a good story, too, so I was like.
- [44:56]
Courtney Act
It was really cute.
- [44:58]
Nate Silver
Are you afraid of dying?
- [45:00]
Courtney Act
Oh, my God. What a good question. My daughter asks me this a lot. Well, she's like, are you gonna die?
- [45:06]
Maria Konnikova
How old is she?
- [45:07]
Courtney Act
She's very morbid. She's six years old and she's afraid. Everyone turns into a skeleton when it. When the moon comes out or something.
- [45:19]
Nate Silver
Is that not true?
- [45:20]
Courtney Act
You and I talked about this. When you get your torch snuffed on Survivor, it feels a bit like a death. It's like a very ceremonial kind of ritual where it's like when your fire represents your life, and when your fire goes out, that's it. You're like, lights out, you're dead. And it does kind of feel like that. And then you walk down the path and you're greeted by the producers and whoever. And it's like, okay, well, from everything I've read, I get very into lives between lives and soul family and all this kind of stuff. I'm really. I geek out about this kind of thing. So from what I know, there is a soul family out there waiting for us. It's just a veil. This is like an illusion. We can only see what's here physically because we have these special eyes. Like a cat sees something completely different. A grasshopper sees something completely different.
- [46:10]
Nate Silver
If we're dead, why is everything so big?
- [46:11]
Courtney Act
Well, yeah, they're like, in a little. They're like a little tiny grasshopper. And we're in human bodies. But when we lose these bodies now, we can see everything. So the thing that freaks me out about dying isn't necessarily like, dying. It's like, what. I'm so attached to my body, I feel like, where will be home? Where's home when you die? Because home is in my body. So if I don't have my body anymore, where am I gonna go, Huh?
- [46:42]
Nate Silver
A lot to think about.
- [46:45]
Maria Konnikova
I. I'm not afraid of dying. I am a godless atheist who doesn't believe in anything. And I think that sort of, I guess, along the lines of what you were just saying, if I were to interpret that through, I guess, my belief system and lens, I would say that I can believe that when I die, the consciousness me stops being individual. And, like, in almost like a physics kind of way, the energy that I was joins back into the collective. I don't believe that that is a. Well, I don't believe that I'll have a conscious awareness of that. I think it's more like. I think my thinking mind is kind of like this feeble, narcissistic thing that thinks the ego thinks it knows and understands what it is. But I think ultimately, like, when I die, my body will just be like a dead sack of flesh, and my consciousness will stop and that, like, quite literally, my body will decompose and become a part of the earth again. And that's sort of like, you know, the circle of life. But what I do fear is the part that leads up to you dying, the pain. Like, I saw this play called Cleansed. Has anybody here seen. Yeah, it's. I can't think of the playwright's name, but there was all these warnings outside the theater saying, like, just so you know. And I was like, it's a play. Like, whatever. Like, it's not real. And, like, 15 minutes in, I was like, oh, God, I'll make it stop. And I. It was sort of.
- [48:29]
Nate Silver
It's sounds really good.
- [48:31]
Maria Konnikova
And it was one of those plays where I was like, that was horrible. I wish that never happened to me. But then I kept thinking about it and I was like, wow, I was sitting in a play. A piece of art made me consider how I want to die. The fear of torture, the fear of pain, and, like, thinking like, I need a piece of jewelry that will allow me to kill myself when. If. If I ever get into that situation, you know, like, where you can't kill you. I've always thought, like, what's the worst thing that can happen? You can just kill yourself. Like, if it all goes not in, like, a suicidal way, but like, if. If the sea levels rise and if, you know, I don't know, an authoritarian dictator comes to power and tries to round you up, like, you can just, like, you can find a way to kill yourself. But I was like, what if you're being tortured and you can't physically kill yourself because you've been restrained? I was like, I need, like, a cyanide earring that.
- [49:28]
Courtney Act
I can do it with cyanide earrings. You accidentally hit that at night when you're.
- [49:34]
Maria Konnikova
Well, that's because it's got to be like. It's got to be like, you know those, like, security passes where you're like, swipe. It needs to be like that so you can. Like, that can't happen.
- [49:45]
Courtney Act
Voice activated.
- [49:45]
Maria Konnikova
Voice activated.
- [49:46]
Courtney Act
Cyanide.
- [49:47]
Maria Konnikova
What if they cut out your tongue?
- [49:48]
Courtney Act
Young.
- [49:48]
Maria Konnikova
That's what happened in this play.
- [49:49]
Nate Silver
I never wanted. I don't want to see this. That sounds like a awful play.
- [49:54]
Maria Konnikova
It is. But, like, here I am talking about it, you know, not Sweeney time.
- [50:00]
Nate Silver
Yeah. Have you heard about Wicked?
- [50:04]
Maria Konnikova
I mean, that was good.
- [50:05]
Nate Silver
You just cry and applaud and you remember the songs after. That's a nice part about that. Okay, well, one last question. Do you. Wait, are you.
- [50:14]
Courtney Act
Move on? Can we.
- [50:15]
Nate Silver
Are you an A person or a Martini person? Listen to RnR wherever you get your.
- [50:28]
Maria Konnikova
I can't tell if I ruined this podcast. No, this is great.
- [50:31]
Nate Silver
This is great. It's awesome. This is exactly what we wanted out of the segment we called.
- [50:37]
Courtney Act
Love it or Leave It.
- [50:39]
Nate Silver
Wait.
- [50:39]
Courtney Act
Also, I was so grateful on Traders that I didn't have to get buried alive. They buried people a lot.
- [50:45]
Nate Silver
Crazy thing to do. That's a. That was a crazy moment on that show because you're sort of like, like, I will say, like, I trust the production of Survivor. Like, for Survivor. Like, they've been making Survivor For a very long time.
- [50:58]
Courtney Act
Yes.
- [50:59]
Nate Silver
They. They know what they're doing. They are like fucking pros. They're like. They're that. They've been at it a long time. But that trader show, like, I'm sorry. It's like, I love traders, but it's like at the end of this challenge, you get an extra 15 grand. Like, they're making it up as they go.
- [51:13]
Courtney Act
There's like, oh, there's scorpions. There's rats. They're like, just be nice to the animals.
- [51:17]
Nate Silver
Yeah, get. Let's get a couple housewives in that grave and bury them. What? That's cool. That's a crazy thing to do.
- [51:24]
Maria Konnikova
Would you like to do that? Would you be buried alive?
- [51:26]
Nate Silver
No, I want to be dead when they do it. For sure. I thought about that.
- [51:30]
Maria Konnikova
For money on television.
- [51:33]
Nate Silver
Yeah. Okay, we'll be right back.
- [51:35]
Courtney Act
But they shovel the dirt.
- [51:37]
Nate Silver
They shovel the dirt.
- [51:38]
Courtney Act
You can see the dirt cracking through the crack in the coffin.
- [51:42]
Nate Silver
So you're standing while they're doing it.
- [51:43]
Courtney Act
I wasn't there. I was. That was season one.
- [51:45]
Nate Silver
Oh, yeah. They didn't do it again. So that tells you something.
- [51:47]
Maria Konnikova
Someone died.
- [51:49]
Nate Silver
Who was the survivor that got buried?
- [51:51]
Courtney Act
A lot of Stephanie La Grossa got buried. Yeah, a lot of people got buried.
- [51:56]
Nate Silver
A lot of people got buried. Poverty. Courtney, stay right there. We'll be right back to ask some more deep questions and some shallow ones.
- [52:05]
Maria Konnikova
Hey, don't go anywhere.
- [52:06]
Nate Silver
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- [54:05]
Maria Konnikova
Too many to say here.
- [54:06]
Nate Silver
Multi vehicle discount. Safe driver discount. New vehicle discount. Storage discount. Legacy.
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Courtney Act
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- [54:20]
Nate Silver
And we're back. Harper, do you have a book? What's it called?
- [54:27]
Courtney Act
Nice Girls Don't. How I Burned it all down to Claim my Power.
- [54:32]
Maria Konnikova
What a brilliant title.
- [54:34]
Courtney Act
Very aggressive.
- [54:35]
Maria Konnikova
It's so good.
- [54:38]
Nate Silver
Now it's interesting because I feel like when you were first on Survivor, like you were basically most women were just villains. Just sort of culturally. It was just like she seems to be nice. I don't trust it. Villain.
- [54:53]
Courtney Act
Yeah, she was wearing a ponytail. Up top. Villain.
- [54:57]
Maria Konnikova
Guys, I think that's called misogyny.
- [54:59]
Courtney Act
Two braids.
- [55:00]
Nate Silver
Two braids. Villain. Villain. But you like. We were talking about the book a bit yesterday. Can you just tell people about it?
- [55:07]
Courtney Act
I've written a memoir. It starts at my childhood. I grew up in a commune A Hindu spiritual commune run by a very charismatic, very controlling guru. She named me. We lived there for a bit. My sister, who is also in the audience out here, Sarashi, was also born there and we grew up there. We moved to Atlanta. It goes through my whole life story. Moving to la, getting cast on Survivor, playing Survivor multiple times. It just details everything. And I wrote it as an offering for myself, first of all, to really help me to understand myself because I, once I got divorced, I was like, how did I get here? I feel like I'm a pretty smart person, but I ended up in a situation that wasn't healthy for me. And the book was an exploration of that. And as I was writing it, I am a service minded person. I'm a life coach. I like helping people. I want people to take away from my story something that helps you in your life. But yeah, it really goes through. I deeply, deep, deep excavated my soul for this book. So I really hope you'll buy it, read it and enjoy it. And don't tell me if you don't.
- [56:24]
Nate Silver
Like it, won't tell you. But what I like about this too is it's like I feel like you've sort of embraced the lessons of what it takes to be a villain.
- [56:34]
Courtney Act
Yes.
- [56:35]
Nate Silver
And like bringing that into like what you learned over time from having kind of like in Survivor about what it means to kind of like basically being a villain is another way of kind of like in these shows, like kind of just taking up space.
- [56:48]
Courtney Act
Being a villain is not only taking up, it is taking up space and it is also playing to win and using every tool in your toolbox to do it. And if you're like me, a woman who is a flirty girl who has that kind of power, I'm gonna use it. It's the thing, I think for many women it is a thing that we have over men. The only thing in a lot of circumstances that we have over men. And I'm like, use it. Don't be slut shamed, don't be embarrassed, don't be quieted or shut down. Use every ounce of power that you have. Use your voice. Stand up for yourself. Put yourself first. Because I was conditioned to be a people pleaser. I was born into a commune where everyone attended to the needs of this very controlling guru. So that was in my DNA and my blueprint as a child. And I think a lot of people were born into that kind of family dynamic with their parents, very controlling, dictatory kind of parents out there in the world. And that creates people who are who tend to put themselves last. And on these reality shows, what we're seeing is a very upsetting trend of people wanting to play an honest game, and it's so annoying. Thank you. I feel like we're on Oprah now. Like, when did this switch?
- [58:11]
Nate Silver
What an interesting. Yeah, what a. What a. What a. That's been fun. I liked it. I learned a lot. We had interesting conversation, learned about a play to avoid. It's a lot.
- [58:21]
Maria Konnikova
It's a good play. It made me question my life, and that is powerful art.
- [58:26]
Nate Silver
I am so glad it did that.
- [58:28]
Maria Konnikova
For you, Sarah Kane. Cleansed.
- [58:32]
Nate Silver
Cleansed. And speaking of cleansed, we're going to take turns spinning the wheel and definitely defend whichever ne it lands on. Okay. Oh, what a. Oh, my God.
- [58:42]
Courtney Act
Look at that cute little photo of you.
- [58:44]
Maria Konnikova
Wheel of Fortune.
- [58:45]
Nate Silver
What is. What is that? Interesting? We're on Wheel of Fortune. All right. We're going to spin the wheel. Whatever villain it lands on, we have to defend for a minute. Parvati, you're up first.
- [58:55]
Maria Konnikova
Oh, my God.
- [58:55]
Courtney Act
Me first. Okay, pressure's on. Ursula.
- [59:05]
Nate Silver
Oh, we got Ursula.
- [59:08]
Courtney Act
Oh, my God. Actually, she's my favorite villain of all time. I think she was a drag queen.
- [59:13]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah, she was based on Divine.
- [59:15]
Courtney Act
Yes. She's a sexy mama. Vava voom. Okay, I don't know if you guys are into this, but I know there's a whole genre of porn that's like octopus porn.
- [59:25]
Maria Konnikova
Wait, with real octopi.
- [59:27]
Courtney Act
But, like, it's like Ursula tentacle porn.
- [59:30]
Nate Silver
I think it's animated.
- [59:31]
Maria Konnikova
I don't think it's like, thank you.
- [59:32]
Nate Silver
No, no, I don't think it's.
- [59:33]
Maria Konnikova
I saw my octopus teacher.
- [59:35]
Nate Silver
Yeah.
- [59:35]
Maria Konnikova
You know, he was diddling that octopus, though.
- [59:38]
Nate Silver
You know what the problem is with that movie? My octopus teacher? It's too much teacher, not enough octopus. Every time I'm above. Above the waterline, I'm like, what am I doing here? Get underwater. This is a movie about an octopus, not a weird dude.
- [59:51]
Courtney Act
Show me that pussy.
- [59:52]
Maria Konnikova
Can I see a show of that octopussy? Can I see a show of hands? Who thought that the octopus teacher was having some sort of inappropriate sexual relationship with the octopus?
- [60:02]
Courtney Act
It's a real question.
- [60:03]
Maria Konnikova
It's just you and me. No. One, two, three.
- [60:05]
Courtney Act
Three of us.
- [60:06]
Maria Konnikova
Okay. I'm in the minority. I've. I've just had a life experience. It's okay.
- [60:10]
Courtney Act
The octopus only lives for one year, so he has to get it while it's hot.
- [60:13]
Maria Konnikova
Is that it?
- [60:13]
Courtney Act
Yes, that's the whole thing. Well, Ursula is one of My favorites. I play this character consistently with my daughter. She likes to be Ariel, and I'm Ursula, and I do a mean Ursula, and I really get into it and, like, wiggle my arms and stuff, so I relate. So obviously, she can't be bad.
- [60:31]
Nate Silver
Yeah. One of the great villains. It's also like, I'm sorry, but let's remove King Triton to whatever his name is and have a democracy, you know, right off with his head.
- [60:40]
Courtney Act
Another controlling dictator father. Yeah.
- [60:43]
Nate Silver
It's like, oh, he becomes a benevolent authoritarian. That's the lesson. There's too many Disney movies where the lesson is the king learned their lesson. It's like, who cares?
- [60:53]
Courtney Act
The Queen of Hearts. I also could defend. Yeah, don't be painting my white roses with red paint. Plant red roses in the first place.
- [61:03]
Nate Silver
Yeah, do it right. Idiots. Idiots, idiots, idiots. Let's spin it again. But next up is Courtney. Am I saying that? Okay.
- [61:17]
Maria Konnikova
We got in here. Oh, gosh. Michelle Visage.
- [61:20]
Nate Silver
Michelle Visage. She's not a villain. Oh, she's a villain.
- [61:26]
Courtney Act
She looks like Cruella.
- [61:27]
Maria Konnikova
She looks like a villain there. Okay, I'm defending Michelle Visage. So Michelle Visage provides a really important service on RuPaul's Drag Race and probably in many other places, like, to her family. But on Drag Race, you need an antagonist who says the things. And also, like, RuPaul is the elite figurehead. You know, the needs to have a certain amount of decorum. But Michelle, she can go in and do the dirty work. And they're friends, and they. They. I think they share the same brain a lot of the time. And so she says the things that RuPaul also thinks, and she does say things that, you know, help raise drag queens to a high level. If you go back and you watch, like, the early seasons, the. The tone of the things that Michelle and the judges, but particularly Michelle say has changed a lot. Like, the things that you comment on then you wouldn't comment on now. Sort of like going back and reading someone's old tweets.
- [62:33]
Courtney Act
But delete it. Just delete your account.
- [62:36]
Maria Konnikova
You cannot delete seasons one through ten.
- [62:39]
Nate Silver
They've got it. They've gotten what. They're more. They're more whatever, but, like, sensitive or.
- [62:46]
Maria Konnikova
Empathetic and empathetic to people's needs. Look, I. I think that. I think, like, as a. As a product of the times, she always, like, pushed the envelope of, like, what you could or should say, and I think that, like, she's a formidable force in Drag Race lore, and I think she's really? Like, yeah. She's an icon for a reason.
- [63:11]
Nate Silver
Yeah, I like that.
- [63:13]
Courtney Act
I think she would enjoy that. Yeah.
- [63:15]
Nate Silver
Yeah, I like that.
- [63:15]
Courtney Act
That was nice.
- [63:16]
Nate Silver
All right, let's spin it again. It's my turn. It has landed on Mark Zuckerberg.
- [63:33]
Courtney Act
He's a ghost. Ghosts are real.
- [63:36]
Nate Silver
Travis. Did you just shout? You look like him. Was that you? It wasn't Travis.
- [63:43]
Maria Konnikova
Can I. Can I borrow your glasses from Michael? Can I just borrow your glasses?
- [63:49]
Nate Silver
Oh, no. There you go.
- [63:50]
Maria Konnikova
Pop those on.
- [63:55]
Courtney Act
Yeah. You nailed it.
- [63:56]
Maria Konnikova
Boom.
- [63:57]
Courtney Act
We needed the prop.
- [64:00]
Nate Silver
So you don't need glasses. These are a look. You just. You literally. Wow. And I. You. You. These are not real. You have. I'm sorry.
- [64:11]
Maria Konnikova
Wait, don't expose.
- [64:13]
Nate Silver
There's no prescription in these glasses. Are they a prescription for what? For what? There is.
- [64:18]
Maria Konnikova
Astigmatism.
- [64:19]
Nate Silver
A slight astigmatism from a doctor. You have a slight astigmatism. Is that true? Strictly.
- [64:29]
Maria Konnikova
Wait, John, are you seeing more clearly? Have you just learned that you need glasses?
- [64:34]
Nate Silver
Do I have a tiny astigmatism?
- [64:36]
Maria Konnikova
Maybe.
- [64:37]
Courtney Act
Let's get some numbers in the back. Just raise your hands in the back fingers, and you can point out.
- [64:42]
Maria Konnikova
What are the letters on that sign say?
- [64:43]
Nate Silver
I do. It's. I could see that. I, I, I. I do have trouble reading the teleprompter a lot of the time.
- [64:48]
Courtney Act
The exit.
- [64:50]
Nate Silver
What if I have a tiny little astigmatism?
- [64:57]
Maria Konnikova
Better late than never.
- [64:58]
Courtney Act
Yeah, they have treatment for that.
- [65:00]
Nate Silver
So I think the decision that this is similar is anti Semitism, first of all. But.
- [65:07]
Courtney Act
Look, do the pose. Do his pose.
- [65:09]
Nate Silver
Look.
- [65:10]
Courtney Act
Yeah.
- [65:11]
Maria Konnikova
Somebody get a thumbnail.
- [65:13]
Courtney Act
Yeah, that's the loop.
- [65:17]
Nate Silver
That stinks. We have the same stylist. Same stylist, which is the person that styled Harvard Westlake kids for their bar mitzvah in 2006. So, yeah, Mark Zuckerberg gets a bad rap, but because of everything that's gone on, like the ethnic violence and slow degradation of our social bonds, and the fact that he built a system that kind of destroys human connection, creates vast amounts of loneliness, and then announces he's creating AI So that people can have friends again. And then every once in a while, he gives a speech about how much they're trying to help the world. And always part of that speech is explaining how they got it so wrong for the previous time. You know, it's always like, what we learned the last time was, no, bad. We're not going to do that again. We have a whole new thing we're going to try. Oh, no, we did it again. But I love what he's doing in Hawaii. Let's spin it again.
- [66:29]
Courtney Act
Wait. As though he's basically King Trident is what he's saying.
- [66:31]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah.
- [66:31]
Nate Silver
It's a lot of. Yeah. I don't. The. Oh, should I give these glasses back? I'll do. I got it. I got it. You're right. I should give these back. Thank you. Thank you. I believe you. It's a real prescription. You look great in the glasses. You look great. I do. I do. Like, it's a. I like. I see why you've chosen it as part of your look.
- [66:49]
Courtney Act
And she's like, I'm never cleaning these glasses again.
- [66:54]
Nate Silver
That's like, a nightmare for you, in a sense. Like, oh, my God. Everyone's gonna find out these aren't real glasses. What are the odds? Like, oh, we'll sit in the front. What could happen?
- [67:01]
Courtney Act
And then, like, it's like being naked in your dream.
- [67:04]
Nate Silver
At school, when you saw Courtney going for the glasses, did you know that I was going to discover that there's no prescription in them? Prescription. That.
- [67:14]
Maria Konnikova
That's love.
- [67:15]
Nate Silver
That's love.
- [67:16]
Courtney Act
True love.
- [67:17]
Maria Konnikova
However, if it was true love, he could have thrown himself under the bus and offered up your glasses.
- [67:23]
Nate Silver
Definitely a real prescription.
- [67:24]
Maria Konnikova
They're definitely real. They're more real. I trust you.
- [67:27]
Nate Silver
They're even more real.
- [67:28]
Courtney Act
Well, we can tell yours are real. Okay.
- [67:36]
Nate Silver
Understand with that. Let's. What's happening?
- [67:43]
Courtney Act
Let's spin the wheel.
- [67:44]
Nate Silver
Let's spin the wheel.
- [67:44]
Maria Konnikova
Spin the wheel.
- [67:48]
Courtney Act
Is it my turn?
- [67:49]
Nate Silver
Yeah.
- [67:51]
Courtney Act
Let's see where it lands.
- [67:52]
Nate Silver
It's Parvati's turn. It's landed on Tyson.
- [67:54]
Courtney Act
Oh, okay. Well, people. People get it wrong about Tyson. Tyson Apostle. If you don't know him from Survivor fame, he and I were at odds on Heroes vs. Villains. I wanted to play with Tyson. Has a very sharp wit. He's pretty brutally honest. He's honest in, like, the most meanest, darkest, cruelest way, and it's so funny. He really makes being mean and being a villain hilarious. And I. I, for one, want this. I want his, like, genre to grow. I want there to be more Tysons. Like, there is a lot of Parvaties going out and playing Survivor. They're like, I'm playing like Parvati. I want people going out and playing like Tyson because he elevates villainry to, like, an art form with the honesty and with the humor. And right now he's currently filming House of Villains, so he's really settling into his name.
- [68:57]
Nate Silver
He also kind of evolved. Like, he was Much meaner and less empathetic earlier, and he kind of grew up when he came.
- [69:04]
Courtney Act
Well, he's a dad.
- [69:05]
Nate Silver
Yeah.
- [69:06]
Courtney Act
I think him having kids changed him completely.
- [69:09]
Maria Konnikova
Made him soft.
- [69:11]
Nate Silver
Yeah. Like when Steven Spielberg took the guns out of E.T. let's spin it again.
- [69:16]
Courtney Act
Only lightsabers. E.T. has lightsabers, right?
- [69:22]
Nate Silver
Yeah. No, for sure. Courtney, defense. That's. That's Mr.
- [69:30]
Maria Konnikova
Freeze from Batman Forever. One of the Batman.
- [69:33]
Nate Silver
No, Batman.
- [69:34]
Courtney Act
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
- [69:35]
Nate Silver
Batman versus Robin. Right? Batman versus Robin.
- [69:38]
Maria Konnikova
Chris. What's his face?
- [69:39]
Nate Silver
Yes.
- [69:39]
Maria Konnikova
The hot Robin.
- [69:40]
Nate Silver
Yeah. And she's trying to kill you, Dick. Remember that? I do. He was hot.
- [69:46]
Courtney Act
Is that the one with Vicki Vale? Kim Basinger.
- [69:49]
Nate Silver
That's just Batman. 1989.
- [69:50]
Courtney Act
I loved her.
- [69:52]
Nate Silver
Whenever I get carded at a bar, I say, I saw 1989's Batman in.
- [69:55]
Courtney Act
The theater, and they're like, go on, sir. Even without your glasses. We'll let you in.
- [70:02]
Maria Konnikova
I have to defend. Yeah, I can't. I can't remember. I mean, I can't remember what he did or why he wanted to do it.
- [70:08]
Nate Silver
His wife was frozen, right? He had a frozen wife.
- [70:12]
Maria Konnikova
He was doing it all, remember?
- [70:17]
Courtney Act
Oh, so he had frozen heart. His heart was frozen.
- [70:22]
Maria Konnikova
How did he get so cold?
- [70:24]
Courtney Act
Oh, they don't like it. They don't like it. They're revolting. Hey, where's the rubber bullet?
- [70:29]
Nate Silver
I want you to know something. I want you to know something. I want you to know something. Nothing makes me want to sink into this more than you trying to move this show along. Let's talk more about Arnold Schwarzenegger's performance as Arnold Schwarzenegger. Let's talk about that.
- [70:47]
Maria Konnikova
Did he have an iconic line?
- [70:50]
Nate Silver
Yes. He says something like, you're so cold. You're so cold.
- [70:55]
Courtney Act
I met Patrick Schwarzenegger.
- [70:57]
Nate Silver
I'm gonna put you on ice.
- [70:59]
Maria Konnikova
I'm gonna put you on ice.
- [71:01]
Nate Silver
Yeah, that's pretty good. Patrick Schwarzenegger.
- [71:03]
Courtney Act
Is he a villain? White Lotus. I met Patrick.
- [71:07]
Nate Silver
I think he's gonna be typecast, like. Like a villain if he's not careful.
- [71:10]
Courtney Act
Yeah, I think. Well, that's his dad. Mr. Freeze.
- [71:12]
Nate Silver
Mr. Freeze. Let's spin it one more time, Governor. It has landed on Daedra Miro, who we all know from andor what.
- [71:33]
Courtney Act
Who are these people?
- [71:36]
Maria Konnikova
Go, John. You defend her.
- [71:38]
Courtney Act
Yeah, Please defend that haircut.
- [71:42]
Nate Silver
I want to defend this character because it is inconceivable to imagine this woman kind of, like, laughing and like, having a good time because the character is so unhappy. And I like that.
- [71:55]
Courtney Act
I bet if she comes to Your sex party. She'll get.
- [71:58]
Maria Konnikova
Still thinking about that.
- [72:02]
Courtney Act
It's lodged itself in my octopus brain. You guys, stop.
- [72:09]
Maria Konnikova
I was gonna say.
- [72:10]
Courtney Act
Oh, so this audience is so horny. It's not me.
- [72:15]
Nate Silver
They're so. They're so horny. They're such free.
- [72:20]
Maria Konnikova
Who is horny? Show of hands. Yeah, I knew it. More people are horny than thought that the octopus teacher was having sex with the octopus.
- [72:27]
Courtney Act
So I've got my finger on that.
- [72:30]
Maria Konnikova
You're a better judge of character than I am.
- [72:33]
Nate Silver
Anyway, I really liked Andor. You guys see Andor. So good. You know what's cool about Andor? What is Andor and Cornia?
- [72:46]
Maria Konnikova
Show of hands. Who knows what Andor is? Oh, okay.
- [72:50]
Courtney Act
More people, actually.
- [72:51]
Nate Silver
Allow me.
- [72:52]
Maria Konnikova
So keep going.
- [72:52]
Nate Silver
Here's the thing. There's two kinds of people in this world. There's people who have a kind of queer polyamorous thing going with Olympians and people who got really into Andor. I'm into Andor. Andor. Andor. I'm not on Grindr. I'm on Andor.
- [73:12]
Maria Konnikova
So Andor's an app?
- [73:14]
Nate Silver
No, a grumpy one. It's a riveting drama set in the Star wars universe created by Tony Gilroy.
- [73:22]
Maria Konnikova
What?
- [73:22]
Courtney Act
This is the nerdiest thing I've ever heard.
- [73:24]
Nate Silver
Well, stick around. I love Andor. And what's great about Andor is there's. Now this is what I want to tell people. It's important that people know this, that now there's a new trilogy. If you think about it, you can go Andor. Rogue One, A New Hope. That's it. It's a whole new trilogy for you.
- [73:48]
Courtney Act
But it's like I'm watching and I'm watching. And. Or.
- [73:52]
Nate Silver
No, no, no. It's one word. And. Or. It's both a place and a name of a person.
- [73:57]
Maria Konnikova
Spell it.
- [73:58]
Nate Silver
No.
- [73:59]
Maria Konnikova
8, N, T, O, R. Oh, it is. And. Or do they.
- [74:04]
Nate Silver
And.
- [74:04]
Courtney Act
Or.
- [74:05]
Nate Silver
No, it's unrelated. It's unrelated.
- [74:07]
Courtney Act
I'm watching this.
- [74:08]
Nate Silver
And. Or.
- [74:09]
Maria Konnikova
And. Or that. They. Them. This, that.
- [74:14]
Nate Silver
And.
- [74:14]
Maria Konnikova
Or.
- [74:14]
Nate Silver
And. Or. I cry. Shut up.
- [74:18]
Courtney Act
Get up here.
- [74:19]
Nate Silver
I cry basically, at every episode, which actually doesn't make sense.
- [74:25]
Maria Konnikova
That's sweet.
- [74:26]
Courtney Act
That's sweet. We've seen your heart.
- [74:27]
Maria Konnikova
Yeah, we have seen your heart tonight on stage. It's really beautiful. Thank you. I'm going to go home and watch Andor.
- [74:40]
Courtney Act
Can't wait.
- [74:41]
Maria Konnikova
How do I watch it? What's it on?
- [74:43]
Nate Silver
It's on Disney Plus. The plus is for the stuff they make specifically and.
- [74:48]
Courtney Act
Or other things.
- [74:55]
Nate Silver
All right. Let's leave. Leave it there. Let's end this show. Everybody, everybody. Well, how to end sometime I'm having fun. Everybody. Check out R and R. Everybody get Parvati's book.
- [75:10]
Courtney Act
Get the book. Wait, you know, I'm doing a drag show on my book launch day and there might be a very special surprise happening. Do you want to come?
- [75:22]
Maria Konnikova
When is it?
- [75:22]
Courtney Act
July 8th in Brooklyn at $3 bill.
- [75:25]
Maria Konnikova
I love $3 bill. I'm going to be at a commune in Northern California.
- [75:30]
Courtney Act
Oh, my God. It's like Parent Trap, Freaky Friday.
- [75:33]
Nate Silver
Two ships pass it in the night. Let's do calendars later. Okay, that's our show. Thank you so much to Corniac poverty Shallow. We'll see you next week right here at Dynasty typewriter. There are 507 days until the midterms. Have a great night and have a great weekend.
- [75:57]
Maria Konnikova
Thank you.
- [76:05]
Nate Silver
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- [77:40]
Maria Konnikova
Hey, I'm Frank and I have hidradenitis Suppurativa hs. Before starting Cosentyx, I was so uncomfortable with my symptoms like not being able to sleep on white sheets or wear white clothes. Now I can appreciate the little things.
- [77:56]
Nate Silver
Cosentyx Secukinumab is prescribed for adults with moderate to severe hidradenitis suppurativa. Don't use if allergic to Cosentyx. Get checked for TB before starting. Increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur like TB or other serious bacterial, fungal or viral infections. Some were fatal. Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms like fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough had a vaccine or plan to or if IBD symptoms develop or worsen. Serious allergic reactions and severe eczema like skin reactions may occur. Learn more at 1-844-cosentyx or cosentix.com you're stronger than HS.
- [78:35]
Maria Konnikova
Ask your dermatologist to buy Cosentys.
- [78:39]
Nate Silver
How many discounts does USAA Auto Insurance offer?
- [78:42]
Maria Konnikova
Too many to say here.
- [78:44]
Nate Silver
Multi vehicle discount Safe driver discount New vehicle discount Storage discount How many discounts.
- [78:49]
Maria Konnikova
Will you stack up?
- [78:50]
Courtney Act
Tap the banner or visit usaa.com autodiscount restrictions apply.