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This week, Donald Trump expands his military crackdown and then looks around for his Nobel Peace Prize, the shutdown threatens to upend the Los Angeles airport rankings, and RFK Jr. suggests that autism is only foreskin deep. Phoebe Robinson has demanded a sugar daddy, and we’ve got just the guy(s). Then Danielle Schneider joins to help grade some political and reality TV beefs, before we cook up some drama of our own. Get tickets to more upcoming shows at Crooked.com/events.
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Jon Lovett
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This World Mental Health Day, we're celebrating the therapist who have helped millions of people take a step forward. If you're ready to find the right therapist for you, Better Help can help you start that journey. Our listeners get 10% off their first month@betterhelp.com Love it. That's better h lp.com Love it. What's up, Los Angele? Welcome to Love it or Leave It Live at Dynasty Typewriter. It is wonderful to see all of you for our quarterly antifa board meeting. Kennedy's gonna take the minutes. We'll start with new business Any new business? Got George Soros on zoom. George, you're on mute. We've got a great show for you tonight. Phoebe Robinson is here. We're gonna talk about sugar daddies and salty grandpas. Daniel Schne, I don't know why Daniel Schneider is here. And we wouldn't dare throw stones at glass housewives. And at the end, we all tuck our napkins in our shirts and cut into a little slice of beef. That sounded weird. It'll be fine. It's about beefs, you know, talking about beefs. But first, let's get into it. What a week. Now. Last weekend, Federal Judge Karen Immergut, a Trump appointee, temporarily blocked the administration from sending troops to Portland, Oregon. Writing this country has a long standing and foundational tradition of resistance to government overreach, especially in the form of military intrusion into civil affairs. Tradition boils down to a simple proposition. This is a nation of constitutional law, not martial law. Like Trump, the founding fathers had tertiary syphilis and thought owning slaves was cool. But that is where the similarities end. On Sunday, Emigrate issued a new, broader order preventing Trump from deploying any state's National Guard troops to Oregon after the administration tried to weasel around her earlier order by sending hundreds of California National Guard members instead of sending Californians to Oregon against our will, forcing us to change our mental models in which there is literally nothing north of San Francisco and Mount Shasta is the start of an unmapped, untamed wilderness that we know as the north that extends to Alaska and then the North Pole. That's fascism. On Monday, the state. On Monday, the state of Illinois and city of Chicago sued the Trump administration. Here's what Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker said. I'm not afraid. I am not afraid and I won't back down. I'm sorry. That was actually from just before he tackled Fat Rosie's El Patron Gordo Burrito challenge in Naperville. Let's go to what he actually said about this. The state of Illinois is going to use every lever at our disposal to resist this power grab and get Noem's thugs the hell out of Chicago. Hell yeah. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson announced Monday that all city owned property will become ice free zones where federal immigration agents were prohibited from carrying out raids. ICE free zone? What is this, a glass of water in Europe? Thank you. After a Biden appointed judge declined to intervene, 200 Texas National Guard troops arrived in Illinois, while about 300 Illinois troops prepared to deploy to Chicago. Imagine the fucking freakout if Texas suddenly found troops Setting foot in their state uninvited from Illinois. Imagine how many militias would pop up called the Waco Skull Fuckers, like overnight. Meanwhile, Trump repeatedly threatened to invoke the Insurrection act if Democratic governors and the courts keep defying him. We have an insurrection act for a reason. If I had to enact it, I didn't. I'd do that. If people were being killed and courts were holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up, sure, I'd do that. We have an insurrection act for a reason. Like in case I accidentally appoint a judge who went to law school or if a mayor is black. On Wednesday, Trump wrote on Truth Social, chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect ICE officers. Governor Pritzker also and speaker of the House Mike Johnson dodged a question about it.
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Danielle Schneider
Do you agree that the mayor of.
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Phoebe Robinson
Chicago and the governor of Illinois should be in prison?
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Jon Lovett
Should they be in prison? Should the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois be in prison? I'm not the Attorney General, I'm the Speaker of the House and I'm trying to manage the chaos here. I'm not following the day to day on that. What a fucking weasel. Should my political opponents be jailed? I'm not the attorney general. Should we nuke the moon? I'm not a scientist. Should a man feel an electric pounding in his chest, a pulsing tingle in his fingertips, a flush in his face that he can't gulp down when those rippling midshipmen climb the Herndon Monument? I'm not a doctor. Also on Wednesday, Trump hosted a White House roundtable on Antifa, where Attorney General Pam Bondi offered this.
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Phoebe Robinson
Just like we did with cartels, we're going to take the same approach President Trump with.
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Jon Lovett
Destroy the entire organization from top to bottom. Tough day for Antifa's board of directors. Good luck killing something that only exists in your minds. Up here in my brain, I'm fully bald and I'm still in the dressing room of a Long island boys department waiting for the store clerk to hand my mom a pair of slacks from the husky. A husky section. Actually, this is a real story, which is I was in the dressing room. I don't remember what led to this moment. Those parts of the memory are gone. But I'm in it. And you know, it was those. It was like a boy's clothing store that used to exist. I don't know if it still does. I'm an old man now. But it was the one where, like, there were the two little swinging doors and I could just see the Slit. And I saw the person that worked at the store go up to my mother and whisper. I'm afraid he's gonna need the husky. Anywho, here's what the President had to say. They have been very threatening to people, but we're gonna be very threatening to them. Far more threatening to them than they ever were with us, and that includes the people that fund them. So we're gonna be looking very strongly at the people that are funding these operations. So I have the secret annex behind my bookcase all ready to go, but George Soros told me he can't fall asleep in a room without a Brancusi. And it buddy, maybe worry less about a bird in space and more about a Hungarian in prison. Okay, so let me walk you through what happened there. The original draft of the joke, written by a reasonable and good comedy writer, had a Da Vinci. And me, because I'm fucking broken, decided to Google most expensive statue sales, which led me to Brancusi. Someone I remember From Art History 101 as someone who evolved the. The form of the statue to these extenuated, kind of abstracted, but still related to real animals. And one of them was a bird, a really stretched out bird that was called Bird in Space. I remembered this and I thought, oh, that'll be fucking perfect. That's exactly what comedy is. Homeland Security secretary and woman whose injector told her therapist she hates confrontation. Kristi Noem. I just have problems saying no to people, and I think it's affecting my work. Kristi Noem jumped in with this.
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Danielle Schneider
This network of Antifa is just as.
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Jon Lovett
Sophisticated as Ms. 13, as TDA, as ISIS, as Hezbollah, as Hamas, as all of them. They are just as dangerous. They have an agenda to destroy us. Just like the other terrorists we've dealt with for many, many years. Antifa. Antifa is just as dangerous as Hamas. Occupy Wall street couldn't hold Zuccotti park for two months once it got cold and they banned applause because it was distressing to vulnerable groups. Noem also made this baffling claim.
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Danielle Schneider
One of the individuals we arrested recently.
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Jon Lovett
In Portland was the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa.
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Danielle Schneider
And that we are hoping that as we after her, interview her and prosecute her, we will get more and more information about the network and how we can root them out.
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Jon Lovett
Unfortunately, the interrogation won't go anywhere because the woman in question is a 93 year old telegraph operator from a village in Kent near Chartwell who lied about fucking Winston Churchill to impress an immigration officer in 1973. And she just had to keep up the story ever since because her boyfriend founded Aunt Eva. Winston Churchill, huh? He's on the antifa board of directors along with FDR and Stalin. But. But we don't. We don't. You know, Trump said this about unlawful detentions. Have you given any more thought to possibly suspending me as corpus to not only deal with these insurrectionists across the nation, but also to continue rapidly deporting illegal aliens? Yeah, it's suspending. Who? I don't know. I'd rather leave that to Christie. I'd rather leave that to Christie. Said no one looking for a pet sitter at the Trump bollocking contest this week, what used to be known as the Cabinet meeting. Noem offered this.
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Danielle Schneider
And then I was in Portland, went out and back on Tuesday and met.
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Jon Lovett
With the governor, met with the mayor, met with the chief of police and the superintendent of the highway patrol.
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Danielle Schneider
They are all lying and disingenuous and dishonest people.
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Jon Lovett
Portland, disingenuous. There are many things you can say about the people of Portland for what you see is what you get. They do not put on airs. They don't even put on deodorant. But don't worry, the Cabinet meeting wasn't entirely about eating ass and cracking down. There's two studies that show children who are circumcised early have double the rate of autism. It's highly likely because they're given Tylenol. This is obviously ridiculous. If being circumcised made you autistic, then why are all the prom kings Jewish? And lots of people have very specific rules about what foods can't touch each other. Speaking of people who love rules, the Democrats are fighting back in Congress after refusing to provide the votes to fund the government without concessions on health care. The conventional wisdom was that Democrats would be blamed, the way Republicans were blamed for a shutdown when they were in the minority. But that's not what's happening. A week into the shutdown, polling shows Republicans taking just as much heat, in part because, as CBS reported, 75% of people do not believe the Trump administration is focusing enough on lowering prices. And Democrats. Democrats have made the shutdown a referendum on health care costs. And in what can only be described as a rift in the space time continuum, the Democratic strategy appears to be working. On Monday, Georgia congresswoman and broken clock Marjorie Taylor Greene turned on her Republican colleagues and demanded action on expiring Obamacare subsidies to prevent premiums from spiking. Look, Marjorie Taylor Greene, first you flipped a tire and then you flipped our hearts. Here's what Greene said on social media. Not a single Republican in leadership talked to us about this or has given us a plan to help Americans deal with their health premiums doubling. In fairness to Republicans in leadership, they've got to really psych themselves up before talking to Marjorie about anything. Here's MTG on CNN on the bad advice Trump is getting.
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Danielle Schneider
Well, I don't think it's good advice that a government shutdown is going to help Republicans in the midterms. I don't agree with that. I also don't think it's good advice that Republicans ignoring the health insurance crisis.
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Jon Lovett
Is going to be good for midterms.
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Phoebe Robinson
I actually think that would be very bad for midterms.
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Jon Lovett
Perhaps Marjorie Taylor Greene is turning over a new leaf and from now on we can expect a more thoughtful considered oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This just in. I'm getting late breaking word that Marjorie Taylor Greene is screaming about Rabbi Gavin Newsom while guzzling the liquid from a Magic 8 ball. Speaking of outlook not so good. From 4:15pm to 10pm on Monday, there were no air traffic controller Burbank Airport, resulting in flight delays and cancellations. More like the Bob Hope this plane doesn't crash airport. But for those five hours and 45 minutes in that glorious moment, LAX was the best airport in Los Angeles, according to multiple reports. Due to all the chaos, it was taking some travelers at Burbank as long as 50 seconds to get to their gates. Air traffic controllers are considered essential government employees and have to work without pay during the shutdown. But Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said there has been a slight uptick in sick calls. Come on, air traffic controllers. We need somebody to blow on that giant floppy disk we still use to keep the airplanes up in the sky. We're sorry you're not being paid. We are sorry we failed to invest in technology to upgrade our air traffic control system for decades. And we're sorry about 1999's Pushing Tin, which just happened to fall in the post Sling Blade afterglow where we thought Billy Bob Thornton, while a great actor, was right for everything. And we were wrong. We were just wrong. We got too excited in that moment about Billy Bob Thornton and we can't fix that. But we can just express our apologies for 1999's pushing 10 slightly more recognizable than Brancusi. Republicans on their heels over health care are trying hardball tactics, claiming federal workers may not get their back pay despite the law explicitly guaranteeing it and promising to target Democrats to feel the pain of the shutdown. Here's Trump at the Cabinet meeting Thursday. And we'll be making cuts that will be permanent. And we're only going to cut Democrat programs. I hate to tell you, they're only coming for the Democrat programs. RIP to the Small Business Administration's loan program for barbershops that only do lesbian fades. RIP to the public library fund that lets kids read to drag queens. Riv to the grant program that pays people to tweet at me personally every time I have a Starbucks cup on the table during a POD Save America recording. RIP to the Education Department's pilot project, American history. Oops. All slavery. So what happens next? Well, a new CBS poll found that a majority of voters view the Republican Party as strong and extreme, with majorities describing the Democratic Party as weak and ineffective. A funding fight about health care is a story about Republicans being extreme. If Democrats cave, it's a story about Democrats being weak and ineffective. I was ambivalent, to be honest, about what Democrats should do. Why shut the government when Republicans are failing without our help? Why make the fight over health care funding when there are mass agents in the streets? When the administration is lawlessly cutting funding passed by Congress? When we have a president openly targeting his political enemies and brazenly corrupting the office? How can we fund a government that's out of control? And if we do get concessions on health care, are we helping Republicans avoid the pain and blowback of their own policies? But we made the fight over health care, and now we have to win that fight. And not only do we have to win it, we have to win it in such a way that the American people understand who got it done. Can we do that? Can Democrats do that? I genuinely don't know. But it seems to me that America's problem isn't failing to understand what Trump represents. It's a failure to appreciate what we represent. And given how Republicans have abdicated all responsibility, if we want to defend our democracy against Trump, we have to win the midterms. That also means unrigging the midterms. And so I just want to take a moment to remind everybody, Republicans in Texas, they are gerrymandering their way to five more House seats in the midterms. Prop 50 here in California is how we fight back, by allowing California to redraw our maps and match those gains. Because if we don't take back the House, the CEO of Antifa told me, no bonuses this year. Absentee ballots are heading out right now in California. Drop boxes are open early in person. Voting starts October 25th. Talk to your friends. Reach out to request. Use this to remind your ex that you're thriving or that you're desperate. Either way, you can find More information@votesaveamerica.com Prop 50. Get everybody in your life to make sure they get those ballots in, that they vote yes on Prop 50. We gotta do this to give ourselves a fighting chance to take back the House. And if we do, we can win it. Saw this week. Republicans will never hold this administration accountable. Attorney General and person who is 20 minutes late for your lunch and mad at you about the traffic. Pam Bondi appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee this week and refused to answer questions on a wide range of Trump administration scandals. My question was, what became of the $50,000 in cash that the FBI delivered, evidently in a paper bag to Mr. Homan?
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Danielle Schneider
Senator, I'd look at your facts.
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Jon Lovett
Are you saying that they did not deliver $50,000 in cash to Mr. Home? Senator, as recently stated, the investigation of.
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Danielle Schneider
Mr. Holman was subjected to a full review question. They found no evidence of wrongdoing.
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Jon Lovett
That's a different question. What became of the $50,000? Did the FBI get it back? Mr. Whitehouse. Excuse me, Senator Whitehouse, you're welcome to talk to the FBI. The report to you. Can't you answer this question? Did homan keep the $50,000? She doesn't ever answer. It's so easy to say no in the part where when Pambani is going back and forth with Schiff, she redounds to look, man, this was before my time. Before my time. If Homan didn't take the cash, that's a terrible answer for him, right? I want you all to know something. If I am ever in a sting operation with FBI agents dressed up as contractors trying to bribe me, and I say no to $50,000 in cash, tell everybody about it. Besides, I do think Tom Homan's new Birkin bag speaks for itself. When Illinois Senator Dick Durbin pressed Bondi to justify Trump's deployment of the National Guard, Bondi said this. The National Guard is on the way right now as we speak. Oh, by the way, so is Director Patel and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche.
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You're sitting here grilling me and they're.
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Danielle Schneider
On their way to Chicago to keep your state safe.
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Jon Lovett
Madam Attorney General, it's my job to grill you. And it's my job to grill you. Said a coquettish J.B. pritzker to the biggest kielbasa you've ever seen. I want to go for a meal with JB Pritzker. I feel like I could surprise him. I feel like I could really. I feel like I like, you know, I don't take the Manjaro for a week or two. I'm back, baby. I'm back, baby. I genuinely do. I mean, this. I'm like realizing this is a genuine desire that I have. I would like to go to Illinois and impress J.B. pritzker with the amount of food I can eat. Meanwhile, their prosecutors in her own office refused to pursue the charges. Trump's new DOJ stooge Lindsey Halligan, had to recruit outside prosecutors to take James Comey to trial. Luckily, they're plentiful around stopped drains and standing pools of water. Last week, an FBI agent was suspended after refusing to arrange a perp walk of James Comey in front of news cameras. And this obviously sucks because it's obviously terribly wrong, but that perp walk also would have been for me. It's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong, wrong. Comey was subsequently arraigned on Wednesday with no perp walk after all, explaining the FBI we didn't realize how tall he was and we got scared. And then on Thursday, Halligan's hooligans indicted New York Attorney General Tish James on charges of bank fraud. Halligan herself had to present evidence to the grand jury. This follows reports that Elizabeth Yousey, who oversees major criminal prosecutions in that district, reportedly believed there wasn't enough evidence to justify charges. But if you want a job done right, you gotta do it yourself, said Lindsey halligan while asking ChatGPT for advice on what to wear to a grand jury and accidentally emailing her opening statement to a woman named Pam Bonstein in Phoenix, Arizona. Both Tish James and James Comey have said the prosecutions against them are politically motivated, which won't be a very hard case to make because a new Wall Street Journal story claims that last month's True social post, in which Trump demand that Bondi go after Comey and his other enemies, was intended to be a direct message and that Trump was surprised to learn it had been public. I am surprised to learn that the president writes that way privately and he is talking to his attorney general through the fucking instant messenger on truth social media. Unbelievable. It's Trump's first ever mistake. Speaking of guys on a roll, the Nobel Peace Prize winner is set to be announced on Friday. Trump got his submission in under the wire announcing a peace deal between Hamas and Israel Wednesday evening. You'll know more than me, because by the time this episode comes out, we'll already know who won the Nobel Peace Prize. But I'm assuming he didn't win and then he vowed to burn Norway to the ground. Is that what happened? Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted an AI image of Trump winning the Nobel Peace Prize in celebration, tweeting, give Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize. He deserves it. Look, Benjamin Netanyahu is a monster, and so this is beside the point, but can we follow the logic on this, please? The more Trump is deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize, that means the harder it was to get you, Benjamin Netanyahu, to stop razing Gaza and murdering civilians. It's not like the Pakistani Taliban was like big ups to Malala. You've got this girl. The Nobel Institute released a statement saying the winner was already decided Monday, reportedly out of a fear that Trump's reprisal would follow against Norway because he's going to lose the Nobel Peace Prize. Give me your Nicest guy award or I'll fucking destroy you. Seems like a weird strategy, but if it didn't work, why did everybody thank Harvey Weinstein at the Oscars? I will also say, just in all seriousness, I really hope that the deal holds to end the senseless killing and destruction in Gaza, to return the hostages, to see some glimmer of hope. And if there's any part of you that feels conflicted about that because it looks like Trump is getting credit, don't think of it as a deal that makes Trump look good. Think of it as a deal that makes Joe Biden look even worse. I don't understand where your head's at. And again, I've said this to audiences. If you're not where I am now, that's fine. Catch up. My Darkness is a week or two ahead of yours. And maybe America's great liberal audience of people will, for once, over the next year or two, figure out how to stop being both the most completely informed and consistently surprised human beings on earth. That is my hope for us. Is that possible? Do you think that we, as a group of people that credit ourselves as being the most informed, might also take a look as to why we are also continuously the most shocked? Is there something to interrogate in that? I've taken a job at Barry Weiss's cbs? No. And finally, Taylor Swift has released a new album, the Life of a Showgirl, and it set off quite a stir. One song in particular, called Wood, sure seems to be an ode to Travis Kelsey's big ol schlong. Travis was flattered, but being a man, he would have rather the song be about how big his podcast is. Considering the renowned guys that Taylor Swift has dated, it's hard not to take it as a backhanded insult to the many other penises of her famous exes. Not Carly Klon though, obviously, because she has a huge dick. And get this, we have unearthed the unreleased lyrics that were cut from the song for being too specific and so I will share them now. Taylor Lautner more like Taylor not a Lautner. Tom Hiddleston more like Tom Littleston. And finally, Joe Alwyn more like Joe All Balls. Next up, Phoebe Robinson is just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to pay her. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave it coming up. Love It Or Leave it is brought to you by Prolon do you love going out with friends? Yes. Does all that eating and drinking take a toll? Of course it does. When your body needs a reset, Prolon's five day fasting mimicking diet delivers. And now they've upped their game with Next Gen, packing the same science backed benefits into a cleaner, more convenient and tastier format, supporting fat focused weight loss while protecting lean muscle. And it doesn't require an injection. Prolon is a plant based nutrition program featuring soup, snacks and beverages designed to nourish the body while keeping it in a fasting state, triggering cellular rejuvenation. 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Jon Lovett
Listen to your heart. Ask your doctor about Repath. Learn more@repatha.com or call 1-844-repatha and we're back. Please welcome to the Sage, the One Girl boss to rule them all. It's the hilarious Phoebe Robinson.
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Phoebe Robinson
Hi.
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Jon Lovett
Welcome. It's good to see you. Thank you for being here.
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Phoebe Robinson
Thank you for having me.
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Jon Lovett
Please.
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Phoebe Robinson
How's everybody doing? Hi.
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Jon Lovett
How you doing?
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Phoebe Robinson
I'm good. I'm happy to be here. Look at, look at all this. You got. You got this screen, you got this audience. You're doing it.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah, thanks for saying that. So you're doing it as well?
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Phoebe Robinson
Yes.
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Jon Lovett
You have a new special. It is called I don't want to Work Anymore. No.
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Phoebe Robinson
Right. It's like working is so ghetto. I'm like, please, I can't do this shit anymore.
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Jon Lovett
Oh, my God. On her album Life of a Showgirl, Taylor Swift asked the question, did you girlboss Too Close to the Sun? Do you feel as though you've girl bossed Too Close to the sun?
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Phoebe Robinson
I just. She is so tiresome. I. You know, I mean, I was a workaholic for a long time, so I. Yeah, I think, you know, coming up in the early aughts, it was all like, everybody got hustle. Get on your grind. Like you're gonna be doing all the things. And I just got to a point where I was like, is this all worth it? I don't feel like I'm enjoying what I'm doing. I'm just like, check onto the next thing. Check onto the next thing. So it just Felt a little bit like, not joyful anymore.
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Jon Lovett
Oh, counterpoint. I don't think that matters. I think you should keep working.
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Phoebe Robinson
I know, but I'm tired. Listen.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah, yeah, no, but here's the thing. Stephen King wrote an article about being super prolific, and it stuck with me forever because he said Shakespeare wrote a lot of plays, but he hasn't written one in 400 years. Everyone's dry spell lasts till the heat death of the universe.
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Phoebe Robinson
Stephen. I love you, Stephen, but as a black woman, I've had to work twice as hard all the time. I am literally 87 at this point. I'm exhausted.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah, but if you wrote half as many books as Stephen King, it would be still a lot of books.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah, yeah. He's so talented. I love you, Steve, but.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah, you talk about. Speaking of the repercussions of having to work 247 to maintain your empire. As a boy boss, myself, I like to think we get to work 24 7.
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Phoebe Robinson
I know, I know, I know. It's always, you get to do the thing. That's why I tell myself when I, you know, marathon training, I get to run 15 miles. Today I get to do it.
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Jon Lovett
You're marathon training?
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah, I'm training for Philadelphia. I did Berlin. Thank you. I did Berlin like, what, three weeks ago? And so now I'm doing Philadelphia in seven weeks and then London next April.
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Jon Lovett
You fucking.
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Danielle Schneider
Yeah.
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Jon Lovett
What a. You are so full of shit.
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Danielle Schneider
What do you mean?
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Jon Lovett
Oh, I'm so sick of working. I guess I'll find a hobby of being a crazy runner who works all the time at my hobby. No, but I run a marathon. It is a job.
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Phoebe Robinson
It is, but it is so joyful. I feel like I've become so mentally resilient. And like, I think I didn't have any hobbies. Like, all I did was, like, work. Like, everything I was doing, I found a way to monetize it. And running just really was like. I would see people running around Prossek park and I was like, I just want to be one of those people who gets to just trot along and do a loop. And I would. My intention was not to do marathons. I was just like, oh, I'll do like a 5k or a 10k. And it just sort of.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah, because you got that thing.
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Phoebe Robinson
Well, what happened is. What happened was I. I'm on the board of this non profit called Red Comedy Festival. Yes, I am. I. I picked all of the. All my faves to do that. I can't believe that I was like, guys, Just like, just turn the money down. It's like, okay to just turn the money down. Like, it's truly fine to just say, no, thanks.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah. But saying that is like saying that to a Westworld. Robert Westworld robot. Like, I'm sorry, that doesn't mean anything to me.
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Phoebe Robinson
I know, but I'm just like. I just. When I see stuff like that, I'm like, how much money do you need to earn that will fill up the hole in your heart and there's just like, not enough. So just like, don't do it.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah.
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Phoebe Robinson
And go to therapy. Like, go to therapy.
- [35:10]
Jon Lovett
Yeah.
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Phoebe Robinson
Talk to friends. Go for a walk. Have some sort of, like, valley values that you stick with. Like, everything's just a moving target. And I'm like, what is the point if everything is slippery? If you, like, don't stand for anything? Like, what? What are you doing?
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Jon Lovett
Yeah. I agree with you.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. Do you agree with me?
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Jon Lovett
I 100 agree with you.
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Phoebe Robinson
Okay.
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Jon Lovett
I really do.
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Phoebe Robinson
Thanks, man.
- [35:34]
Jon Lovett
I don't know why I'm saying this weird way, but I interrupted you because you were talking about the nonprofit board you were on.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. So I'm on the board of For Red, which is co founded by Bobby Shriver and Bono. And they asked me when I was in Vegas for my birthday and I had just, like, seen Magic Mike live. They were like, would you wanna run the Boston Marathon for charity? And I'm like, truly got dry humped for like, two hours. So I was like, yes, I will do it. And I, like, just didn't, you know, I knew it was like, the big marathon, but I just didn't. And then I was in it.
- [36:09]
Jon Lovett
That's so cool.
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Phoebe Robinson
And I loved it. And what was crazy about it, I was like, I was running it with a chest cold and it was like, mile four. And I was like, oh, I would totally do this again. I was like, I would do another marathon, like, tomorrow. And I was like, oh, no, girl, you in trouble.
- [36:26]
Jon Lovett
I love. I did the Marine Corps Marathon a while ago.
- [36:30]
Phoebe Robinson
Where's that?
- [36:31]
Jon Lovett
In D.C. cute. But I lived in D.C. so it's over 10 years ago now. And I loved the feeling of knowing that, like, I'm gonna walk out of my house and I'm gonna run to Maryland and back and I'm gonna be gone for like, two and a half hours and I'm gonna run the whole time.
- [36:49]
Phoebe Robinson
Wait, you ran in two and a half hours?
- [36:50]
Jon Lovett
No, no, no, no. When I'm training, like, doing a 13, like. No, no, no.
- [36:54]
Phoebe Robinson
Okay, got it.
- [36:54]
Jon Lovett
Absolutely not. It Depends on how you count. I don't include the time where I have to hide under the Jefferson Memorial to go to the bathroom.
- [37:03]
Phoebe Robinson
Was it a one or a two?
- [37:06]
Jon Lovett
You don't have to go under the Jefferson Memorial for a one. You know what I'm saying?
- [37:10]
Phoebe Robinson
Oh, I see. Well, you, that's the thing is you take Imodium an hour before you run. This is the thing, like so much of running is about pooping. It really is getting the schedule right. It's the whole thing.
- [37:27]
Jon Lovett
And I want you to know that there is no problem that a modium could cause that wouldn't be better than what I did behind the Jefferson Memorial. Who is an overrated president, but didn't deserve what I did.
- [37:44]
Phoebe Robinson
Oh, you poor. You know what? I'm proud of you.
- [37:47]
Jon Lovett
So I, I consider my time to be five minutes shorter. Do you listen to something or do you raw dog it?
- [37:57]
Phoebe Robinson
I make a playlist for every marathon.
- [37:59]
Jon Lovett
Wow.
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Phoebe Robinson
It's great. And so like Berlin, I was like, you know, I was like, oh, I'll put like some bow young. Cause he like recorded, you know, some albums out, like. So I try to have it be Georgette Uber alles. Yeah. I try to have like some things that are like, that are like thematically, you know, like, like, like when I ran New York, it was like, obviously you got to have like Biggie. You got to have like Jay Z. You know what I mean? So I try to do it. Yeah.
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Jon Lovett
That's so cool.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. Thank you. I try to be cool. No, I don't. I actually, I don't try to be cool. And I think that's why I end up maybe cool. Cuz I just like, I don't care.
- [38:32]
Danielle Schneider
I don't.
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Phoebe Robinson
I'm 41. I don't care anymore. I just don't.
- [38:37]
Jon Lovett
Yeah, I, Yeah, you're, you're, you're evolved.
- [38:41]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. But no, do you really feel like, oh, I gotta care about like strangers opinions? Like, you don't. It's like, I don't.
- [38:49]
Jon Lovett
Here's what I, what I feel, honestly is I want to remain interested and interesting.
- [38:59]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah.
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Jon Lovett
I want to understand the balance between trying to remain curious and open to change and new ways of doing things without trying to be young. And that is a hard thing to do the older we get. That's my feeling of it. And it is a delicate thing to try to like to change with the world while still growing in such a way that you make use of the only cool thing about getting older to me, which is an understanding of time and Relationships to time that are more. That are deeper because you've experienced people for longer and change for longer. Does that make sense?
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah, but it's also like the old. That was so great, but it's also like the older you get, it's like you just have a. At least for me, I have such a greater understanding of myself that there is an unshakability about me that, like, didn't exist when I was 25. Like, I was just too insecure. I was too much like, what's my place? Like, where do I go? What do I do do, who's gonna like me? Blah, blah. And now it's just sort of like I'm always like, consider the source. It's like, do I even respect the person that in my 20, like, 20s, I would have been trying to impress? It's like, no. So, like, why? They're not a factor in my life. So once I just distill it to, like, the people I really respect and I love and cherish and they. And vice versa, that they feel that way about me, it just. I don't know, I feel like life is just actually less complicated.
- [40:35]
Jon Lovett
I agree with that. And I do feel a way in which allowing yourself to know yourself and without the blinders of the version you want to be, but actually more accepting of who you actually are, is very, very valuable. And I feel that. My challenge, I think, is if you.
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Jon Lovett
Letting go of those layers of performance and all the rest, I think what happens at the bottom of that is you are more nuanced and less certain about the world. I think your opinions get less firm. Maybe you know yourself better, but I think you feel a little less assured of simple statements about the world. And I find, as someone who's talking about politics all the time, that it's a balance between being open to nuance but also understanding that, like, you better put a stake in the ground and don't allow yourself to be. Even as you feel more confident in who you are and less confident about the world, you still have to make sure you have. Have a firm opinion, you know, and that. That. That to me is like a challenge about getting older too.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah, but I think it's all got. We are getting so deep. But I think. No, but I think that's. That's like one of the joys of, like, getting older is that you go like, oh, I actually, like, I know more and less at the same time. It's, like, so weird and fun and interesting and I kind of. At least for me, because I'M I'm a Libra, Scorpio, Moon, Pisces, whatever. So there's a lot of, like, I want to have this semblance of control. And like, the older I get, I go, I really can't control anything but myself. And that is actually freeing because you spend less energy trying to control every situation, every outcome. Like, if I do xyz, then this is going to happen in my career or my relationship or whatever. And you just sort of go, I am going to do xyz. Who the fuck knows what's going to happen out of that? And sometimes you're surprised by it, other times you're disappointed. But I feel like that is sort of the beauty of life is that it is just kind of like a grab bag, you know?
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Jon Lovett
Yeah, that's beautiful. And speaking of grabbing.
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Phoebe Robinson
Grab me some dx.
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Danielle Schneider
No.
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Jon Lovett
In your, in your special, you talk about.
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Phoebe Robinson
I know. Why did I say that? I should have kept that in my head.
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Danielle Schneider
I don't even know.
- [42:50]
Phoebe Robinson
I don't even know.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah, you do. But in your special, you talk about wanting a sugar daddy.
- [42:57]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah.
- [42:58]
Jon Lovett
And so it's time for a segment we're calling Age is Just a Rowdy number. Yes.
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Phoebe Robinson
Oh, that's so cute.
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Jon Lovett
So here's how it's going to work.
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Phoebe Robinson
Okay.
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Jon Lovett
We're gonna present you two sugar daddies. You're gonna choose one or the other.
- [43:12]
Phoebe Robinson
Love it.
- [43:13]
Jon Lovett
And then whichever one you choose is gonna move on to the next round. All right? Ooh.
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Phoebe Robinson
Oh. So this is like March Madness, but for old dick.
- [43:19]
Jon Lovett
Sure.
- [43:20]
Phoebe Robinson
Okay. I love it. I'm a sporty girl, so I gotta.
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Jon Lovett
So you first you have to choose between Elon Musk, richest man in the world, maybe in love with a sexy chatbot. We're not quite sure. There are also some downsides. You would be a step parent of a lot of kids. There's like 13 kids, right, that we know of. Or Rupert Murdoch, age 94. Okay. Upside. Maybe knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door a little bit more than.
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Phoebe Robinson
Okay, I. I know my. I know my choice. I know. Okay, so here the thing is, they're both truly literal. Hell, but he's gonna die sooner. So it's like I. I work my magic, I get in the will, I fucking, you know, cash out with like 20 mil when he kicks the bucket. That's a great investment.
- [44:18]
Jon Lovett
Oh, it's a no brainer.
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Phoebe Robinson
And I'm not gonna have to fuck him. His dick don't work. So it's like I just to go to like some events with him like the New Yorker festival. I can do that.
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Jon Lovett
As you know, you close your eyes, you think of England, you know? All right. Ruber Murdoch or Senator Mitch McConnell. Smile that lights up a room. Estimated wealth between 30 million and 50 million.
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Phoebe Robinson
I can't.
- [44:52]
Jon Lovett
Falls down a lot.
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Phoebe Robinson
He is. Mitch is so revolting. I think it's Rupe.
- [45:03]
Jon Lovett
Of course it is.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah.
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Jon Lovett
Of course it is. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. You get, like, he's had an interesting life. Yeah. He'd be an interesting person to ask questions, too, at dinner, you know, on the boat.
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Phoebe Robinson
He's had four wives, Right?
- [45:17]
Jon Lovett
Yeah. At least.
- [45:19]
Phoebe Robinson
He's definitely the drama. But okay. Yeah. I'm sticking with Rupe.
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Jon Lovett
Rupert Murdoch or Jeff Bezos. Third richest man on the planet. You go to space, you can stay out there for the.
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Phoebe Robinson
Space is bullshit. They didn't go to space.
- [45:36]
Danielle Schneider
They didn't.
- [45:37]
Jon Lovett
Too low.
- [45:38]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. I was like. You guys just, like, hung out for, like, 11 minutes and fucking cosplay in some astronaut suits. Like, you weren't like, astronauts? Like, I. I hated. They were like. They're like, we're doing this so young girls. I'm like, young girls can look up to actual female astronauts. You narcissists. Okay, you guys, this is, like, really. How old is Jeff?
- [46:01]
Jon Lovett
He's 6. I lost that card. But 61. He's 61.
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Phoebe Robinson
He's 61.
- [46:12]
Jon Lovett
No.
- [46:12]
Phoebe Robinson
But the only reason why I'm even remotely considering this is.
- [46:18]
Jon Lovett
Are you from Australia?
- [46:20]
Phoebe Robinson
Yes.
- [46:21]
Jon Lovett
So they've been dealing with this guy for half a century.
- [46:23]
Phoebe Robinson
Oh, I'm just saying.
- [46:26]
Jon Lovett
The.
- [46:26]
Phoebe Robinson
The. He is a piece of garbage. But he. This is a rumor that I heard that he, like, wanted to buy Vogue for his wife, which I think is, like, really sweet. Like, listen, girls, no one's buying anything for me, but I still think I gotta go with the person who's gonna die sooner. It's Rupe. It's Rube. All right, because Rupert's, like, 92. Right? Right.
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Jon Lovett
It was somewhere in that range.
- [46:52]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah.
- [46:53]
Jon Lovett
Maybe 89. What you say he's got kids. What?
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Phoebe Robinson
Put me in the will. These old men are dumb. He will put me in the will. The kids will deal. Yeah.
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Jon Lovett
Next up, we have Sai, the Gangam style guy. He's age 47.
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Phoebe Robinson
Okay. I. I like his vibe. He works. Is he, like. Is he problematic? And I don't know.
- [47:20]
Jon Lovett
Seems. Sorry. The head of Their. Head of. Is Coincidence. Head of size fan club is here.
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Phoebe Robinson
I. I feel like he's cute. He's known worldwide. He entertains audiences. I think I would choose him over. What's his net worth?
- [47:34]
Jon Lovett
It's, I think whatever comes in each month from the gang of style.
- [47:39]
Phoebe Robinson
Because I feel like he does, like, work a lot. I think I'm gonna go with side guy. Yeah.
- [47:43]
Jon Lovett
Next up we have Robert de Niro, age 82.
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Phoebe Robinson
You guys, listen, when I was a kid, I, I thought he, Robert Jr. Was so hot. I really like in Godfather Part 2. And I was like, oh, he all gangster and shooting people and like, I don't know. I think here's the thing. Bobby D worships a black queen. And that feels very cute to me. Like, he exclusively like, dates like, like he was like trying to date like Whitney, like Whitney Houston, like elite black women. So I feel like he understands quality. And I, I feel, I feel like he. But he just had a kid, so his dick does still work, which is. I'm, I'm intrigued. So I think I would like to see what's up.
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Jon Lovett
Robert De Niro.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. I wanna go with Bobby D. All right.
- [48:43]
Jon Lovett
Okay. So we're at Robert De Niro. Robert De Niro versus final choice. Bono. Who you know, who you know, which is cool.
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Phoebe Robinson
I think I'm okay, you guys. He's like my friend. He sends me flowers on my birthday. He, he, he is like, he's a romantic at heart, like I am. And I feel like we would get along. Like, I feel like black people and Irish people get along well. And he's still young enough. I think I'm gonna go with Bono. Right? I gotta go.
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Jon Lovett
Bono.
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Phoebe Robinson
Bono.
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Jon Lovett
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Jon Lovett
And we're back. Please welcome to the stage. You know I'm from Bitch, Sash and Garbage World. Please welcome Danielle Schneider. Hi. Hi, hi.
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Phoebe Robinson
Hi. Good job.
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Jon Lovett
Good to see you. Thank you for being here. Thank you.
- [52:23]
Phoebe Robinson
Hi, guys.
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Jon Lovett
Hi everybody. I wanted to talk to you because I've become. I don't do things halfway. I know I accidentally watched Survivor and so then I went on it. I was shocked and it like I like. I don't know. This is a part. This is like part of my brokenness. I've become addicted to Bravo reality shows.
- [52:47]
Danielle Schneider
Bless you.
- [52:48]
Jon Lovett
Welcome. And first of all, I want to say I am sorry.
- [52:52]
Danielle Schneider
Thank you.
- [52:52]
Jon Lovett
That I waited this long. I am sorry. I didn't understand.
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Danielle Schneider
You know, I've been on your show before, John. I know this and every time I sort of felt like you were sort of side eyeing me like this one of this garbage he's talking about. You were always sort of not judgmental, but you were Always, like, get a load I. Politics. And now here we are.
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Jon Lovett
And now here we are. And again, I am sorry.
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Danielle Schneider
Thank you.
- [53:18]
Jon Lovett
Because it is incredible. There is writing on the Real Housewives that is better than any writing I'll.
- [53:24]
Danielle Schneider
Never be able to write as the things that went on the Real Housewives of Miami this week.
- [53:31]
Jon Lovett
Extraordinary. Extraordinary. And so I've started interviewing them.
- [53:35]
Danielle Schneider
I know.
- [53:35]
Jon Lovett
And I interviewed Terry Dubrow, who I. I watched when the Swan aired. I remember when the Swan aired, like, whatever, 15 years ago, 12 years ago. What was your. What is your overall sense of Terry Dubrow as a house husband and beyond?
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Danielle Schneider
Well, it's funny because I have a sense of him in my life, and then I saw him on your show, and he seems so reasonable and I. And he talks a lot about, like, oh, the edit, the edit, the edit. But he. Every time I see Terry Dubro, he's just in, like, a fitted leather jacket, no matter the weather, no matter the, you know, the season, always. And so I always thought that he was a person that, like, was fame hungry. He has all this money, like, from, I think, plastic surgery. But does plastic surgery buy you that does it?
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Jon Lovett
I guess if you get, you know, you invest.
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Phoebe Robinson
Well, get a lot of.
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Danielle Schneider
Get a lot of his brothers in, like, like, Quiet Riot or something.
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Jon Lovett
Yes. So, yeah, his brother was. Inquiry. His brother passed away. But his brother was quite right. I don't know what the.
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Danielle Schneider
I was like, is it Quiet Riot money or.
- [54:38]
Jon Lovett
I don't know. I don't know.
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Danielle Schneider
But anyway, so I was like, why are they forcing themselves on this show? Like, they don't need to. Like, a lot of the people in reality tv, like, this is the meal ticket. Like, this is. So he doesn't need the money. I guess it's fame.
- [54:51]
Phoebe Robinson
Right.
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Jon Lovett
I asked him about this and because that was what I. You. You feel that in the different shows, which is, you know, there's an old, like, Hollywood aphorism which is like, the most. The richest person in the room is in charge. And so, like, on some of these shows, these are people that need the income on some of them, like, maybe they were wrong to do it. Sometimes it always feels like they're doing it. Like they're doing it. Like they set a grenade off in their marriage right before they were leaving Nom, you know, and like. But they have enough money. But I asked him about this, and he's like, I think they want that. He's. He said this maybe about himself, maybe about others, that, like, the fame is so intoxicating that being Wealthy doesn't stop you from wanting to have the conflicts and the lack of dignity that sometimes comes along with being on these shows.
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Phoebe Robinson
I know.
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Danielle Schneider
It's so weird. I mean, I get it. I think that they are addicted to fame, and, like, they are sort of like, oh, I want people to recognize me. And it's. And he says it on your show, which is like, it's the perfect amount of recognition because people are nice to you and they. You get, like, a nice seat somewhere. But he came off so likable on your show that I've. I've always kind of been like, this guy. I don't like a house husband. I don't like when the husband get in on the drama, per se. I'm always like, leave the ladies. Leave it to the ladies. I don't want these men clogging up my airways.
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Jon Lovett
It's interesting. What do you. Cause you like Salt Lake and you watch Potomac, right? It's interesting when the men. When the men show up in the Real Housewives world, it's a reminder as to why the real house husbands kind of shows haven't worked. It's because there's men. When men fight, there's menace. There's much more menace in their kind of more boredom.
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Danielle Schneider
More boredom. It's not like, I'm not scared of their fists. I'm more just like, you don't have subtleties to your fight. There's no gray area to fight. And there's always just like, women will hold a grudge. Like, they're like, we're okay. And then the next week, we're like, we're not okay. Or men are like, they will fight. And then there's like, I guess we're good. It's like, there's no gray area. There's no subtlety to their face.
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Phoebe Robinson
Also, like, for me, a lack of sense of humor, which I think, like, the best housewives, like Bethany and Luann and Nene, like, they are so devastatingly right. They are so funny.
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Danielle Schneider
Not forget Giselle, Karen Huger, RIP but now out of prison.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. And they're so. But it really. Like, when someone's being really funny, they can, like, really charm you. And these guys are all kind of like robots and, like, they just don't have. On the whole, I think, personally, women are much more interesting than men. Just like straight men. Just saying not to be. Not to be controversial. But I go on dates and I'm caring. I'm like, oh, I'm a great conversationalist. And so, you know what's funny.
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Jon Lovett
I'm sorry. But, like, I feel like this has been a recurring theme on this show for years, which is incredibly funny. Women realizing after years that this wasn't a great date. I'm a great date.
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Phoebe Robinson
Yeah, I'm a great date. I am so funny. But anyway, I feel like these guys on the show, like, they don't, like, have interesting personalities. They're not particularly funny.
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Danielle Schneider
All.
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Phoebe Robinson
They all have, like, a, you know, a football background, so they've been hitting the head a lot. So, like, it's just. They really can't bring much to the table.
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Jon Lovett
Yeah.
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Danielle Schneider
And it's always like, the guy has to be, as we called him, like, sitcom writing, the go to. Meaning, like, he's always like. And he does not care. And they can't act it well. They're like, so, how was the bunco night? Tell them, like, how it went. Like, so they just have to be there to sort of facilitate conversation. So they're really just side characters. And I don't like when they. And Terry sometimes tries to put himself as a lead character, which I don't enjoy. Know your place, know your business, and shut up. Yeah, that's how I feel.
- [58:45]
Phoebe Robinson
I agree.
- [58:46]
Danielle Schneider
Thank you.
- [58:46]
Jon Lovett
Yeah, but see, like, there's something about, like, I notice over the years of these shows, there are people that start on the periphery, and they'll kind of work their way into the middle, and.
- [58:56]
Danielle Schneider
Sometimes they go back out to the periphery, and then they sometimes come back in.
- [59:00]
Jon Lovett
But part of it. Right, is that, like, there are people that have seemed like, almost like voids. They don't have a lot to say. They don't have a lot of personality. And then as they move closer to the middle, because they're allowed to be more central to the story, they're more centered in the. Like.
- [59:17]
Danielle Schneider
Give me an example.
- [59:19]
Jon Lovett
Tom Schwartz in Vanderpump Rules.
- [59:21]
Danielle Schneider
Thank you.
- [59:22]
Jon Lovett
Right. Sure. But in the early, like, he's up, like, almost like kind of stone face villain in early seasons of that show kind of popping in, but you don't really know him. You don't get to see him. And by the way, also a little bit true of Katie and Kristen in early Vanderpump Rules as well, where they're.
- [59:36]
Danielle Schneider
Like, they were sort of Astassi's Angels, if you will.
- [59:40]
Jon Lovett
Right. And part of it is screen time, but part of it is, like, there's something about what happens as you move to the middle where you. Something, like, unleashes, and, like, they're closer to the camera. They're sent literally I think shot more. Like, you see their faces more. And sometimes I wonder is like, are we. When people are on the periphery like that and they seem like they don't have personalities, is it that they actually don't and that's why they're not more central, or is it because the show is not showing us more of them being interesting, including the husbands?
- [60:10]
Danielle Schneider
I think the show gravitates towards light. And so when they. When the light comes for them, when something happens, like Kristen is a demon.
- [60:19]
Jon Lovett
You know what I mean?
- [60:20]
Danielle Schneider
On Banner Bump, she is a demon incarnate who is now a demon, who's a mother and she has a kid. She has a child. God help us all.
- [60:30]
Jon Lovett
She grew up a lot. She grew up a lot. Look at you.
- [60:36]
Danielle Schneider
She has grown up a lot, though. She now is. Like, she has said, fuck it, I don't need hair. I don't need makeup. I am just doing this. And I love that about her.
- [60:46]
Jon Lovett
Yeah. There's so much to say, but I.
- [60:50]
Danielle Schneider
Think the light finds them. I feel like Kristen has always been in who she is, but when you shine a light, when she has a chance to be her fullest demon self, she comes alive. Like, we got to see her, but that was always hidden there. Like that was there. We were just focusing on the wrong person sometimes. Like, and. And it moves.
- [61:09]
Jon Lovett
Yeah. It's like they're shrinky dinks.
- [61:11]
Danielle Schneider
Yeah.
- [61:11]
Phoebe Robinson
Thank you.
- [61:12]
Jon Lovett
In a sense, I love that. You know, you just get them in the. Get them in the Bravo telescope, put.
- [61:16]
Danielle Schneider
Them on the hot seat, they blow right the fuck up.
- [61:20]
Jon Lovett
So part of why I was interested in this is so I interviewed Sarah McBride on Pont Save America with John, and we were. And she basically talks about the experience now of being in Congress, which is there are people that want to do serious things, but also there are people who have learned from Bravo and learned from reality TV about how do you make drama in a moment? If you watch Pam Bondi, in being questioned by Adam Schiff in the Senate this week, she does not let him finish a sentence. And it reminded me of what, what Arianna said that Tom Sandoval told her, which is when someone's attacking, you never let them finish a sentence. And Trump does that. Pam Bondi did that. Which Trump praised in the Cabinet meeting. I don't think you can understand politics right now without understanding the Bravo universe. And I'm wondering as someone, are you.
- [62:09]
Danielle Schneider
Telling me to run for Congress?
- [62:12]
Jon Lovett
First of all, yes. But also, you've been. You've been kind of like in the, like You've been. You've been in the trenches of reality TV now for over a decade.
- [62:23]
Danielle Schneider
I'm gonna cry.
- [62:24]
Phoebe Robinson
Yes.
- [62:27]
Jon Lovett
Do you feel politics becoming more like these shows? Do you. Did you feel these shows as a harbinger? Like, what is it? Like, what do you think?
- [62:33]
Danielle Schneider
I love that you think I'm so, like, prescient that I would be like, well, this is what's to come. But I do think the reality TV has seeped into us as people. Like, and also it's, like, commenting on it. It's the same as, like, commenting on Instagram and. And commenting. You know, it's like we're all involved in each other's shit. And I do think that reality TV has made people kind of, like, bolder to say the things that they're thinking and not just like, you're not. Nobody's keeping anything inside anymore. You know what I mean?
- [63:09]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. And. And I think part of that is because we don't beat enough ass.
- [63:15]
Danielle Schneider
You know what I mean?
- [63:16]
Phoebe Robinson
Truly. Like, when I was growing up, you would. You would decide who I'm. Who I'm gonna talk shit and who I'm not. Cause I don't wanna get punched in the face. But now everyone's out here, like, got throwing shade and being extra sassy and got their comebacks, and I'm like, if you got slapped in the fucking mouth, you would totally change your behavior.
- [63:34]
Danielle Schneider
And all these, like. I remember. I think when I saw it change, I remember. And this is. Sorry to get serious. I was going through some, like, fertility issues. I have a kid now, everything's fine. But I was going through fertility issues and I was talk to my husband. I come out of the doctor's office and I was talking to my husband on a phone. Like, kind of like in a. Like, crying in Beverly Hills in a corner. As someone probably thought I was just an actress that didn't get a part.
- [63:54]
Jon Lovett
But, like, which was also true.
- [63:57]
Danielle Schneider
Yeah, you can do two things at once. We can hold two truths. And so I was like, crying and I was talking about reality tv. I'm not reality. I was talking about my uterus. Reality tv, same thing. And I was just, like, crying so upset and, like, probably like sharing personal information information to my husband on a phone, like, hysterical crying. And a woman walked past me and goes, ugh, we didn't need to hear that. And I just remember being like, that's so fucking callous. Like, you're not involved in my business. I'm in my world having a moment, a private moment that I have to have publicly because we live in the world. And this woman saying that and I was like, that's when I thought reality TV has changed people because so that to me and that is in politics, it's everywhere now, which is like someone commenting on something that has nothing, you know, just living what you said, like that would get your ass beat, you know, not by me. Obviously they saw that that was gonna happen. But you know what I mean, there's.
- [64:58]
Phoebe Robinson
A general lack of empathy and everything is sort of like I got a hot take and it's not sort of seeing like this is an actual person, not someone in a TV who's is like entertainment in my world. It's like you're going through like something real. And like I would have been like, oh my God, is everything okay?
- [65:15]
Danielle Schneider
Not like oh, or walk the away and be like oh, that poor woman or, or even like oh, that one's annoying. Whatever you have to yourself, yes. But nobody, they're not keeping it inside anymore.
- [65:25]
Jon Lovett
Well, there's a, there's something, there's like, so there's the reality TV show dynamic, there's the social media dynamic. And then, and like I think the way they combine is there's kind of a sense that people have that nobody's following the rules. I was taught, right. Nobody has manners anymore. No one's living the right way anymore. And we're trained both by reality television and celebrity culture in which we kind of evaluate people all the time and by social media where we're offering our opinions all the time. That you have to kind of go out and in some way command the world to look the way you want it to look. And that if somebody's out there doing something that you wouldn't do, it's, it's like an affront to you. It's like an insult to you. It's an insult to you that this person is behaving in a way that you wouldn't. That's like, this is why we don't. This is like how could they do this? I need to tell them. I need to tell them that they're doing it the wrong way. It's my job to correct them.
- [66:14]
Phoebe Robinson
We're too self centered. Everything is I, I, I, I, I. Instead of just sort of like everyone is living their lives, just focus on your shit and like leave other people alone.
- [66:23]
Danielle Schneider
And also I like, like I have had that instinct too. That instinct's in me now too. Where I see someone like on the Internet or in the world like behavior poorly and sometimes I think I'm gonna say. And I was like, why? Who the fuck cares? Like, what does your opinion mean? Nothing. But we all feel a little bit better when we get to say, like. And I do, too. At reality tv, I get to sit back and judge these people. Like, oh, aren't they stupid or crazy? But, like, they're just living their lives. Like, what do I have to say?
- [66:51]
Jon Lovett
And you watch them also go on this trajectory of like. Like, the. The kind of, like, shock of people seeing them and then the effort to control how they look. And then the kind of, like, final Pokemon phase of, like, it's Kristen not caring about hair and makeup. It's like Luann being her kind of true and final form.
- [67:09]
Danielle Schneider
Luanne is. She is. Talk about a woman. Talk about life of a showgirl. I don't know if anybody saw that. Taylor. They put Taylor Swift over Luanna. The best thing I've ever seen. Like, that. She's my Taylor Swift.
- [67:23]
Jon Lovett
Luann going from a countess. Yes. To a woman accidentally biting the mustard packet inside the bologna sandwich she was handed in overnight jail because she was arrested while being drunk for saying to a cop, I'm gonna fucking kill you two.
- [67:39]
Danielle Schneider
Let's go back up now to a cabaret star.
- [67:42]
Jon Lovett
To a cabaret star. What a drama. But at the end of that, they come to the place of, like me or hate me, your attention may me for good and for ill. Right. Which brings me to a segment we're calling Beef. It's what's for culture. Beef is what's for culture.
- [68:07]
Phoebe Robinson
We got to. Oh, that's going to be my. Whenever I get married, that will be my wedding invitation. And.
- [68:18]
Jon Lovett
So I want to run you through some. Some. Some famous beef, and you say who you think is winning. All right, first up, Jen Shaw versus the Feds.
- [68:29]
Danielle Schneider
I mean, she's never looked better.
- [68:33]
Jon Lovett
Is Jen Shaw the new Martha Stewart? That was hard to say.
- [68:37]
Phoebe Robinson
Only time will tell. I. I don't know. I just. She was great tv. And then I. I'm going to say the Feds.
- [68:46]
Danielle Schneider
I'm going to say the Feds only. But I will say that Jen will. You know, her and Elizabeth Holmes are sitting there in prison being bffs. They're cooking something up.
- [68:57]
Jon Lovett
Yeah.
- [68:58]
Danielle Schneider
Time will tell, but yes, the Feds.
- [69:00]
Jon Lovett
Yeah, that's. That's. That's. That's like Lex Luthor and the Scarecrow being side by side in Arkham. You know what I mean? I know. They're different worlds. Shut up. I know. Next up, Bethany versus Carol on Real Housewives of New York From Friends to enemies in 10 seasons, that was probably.
- [69:25]
Phoebe Robinson
One of the most heartbreaking, like, friendship breakups in the real Housewives universe.
- [69:30]
Danielle Schneider
100%.
- [69:31]
Phoebe Robinson
And I think Carol was right. I do, too.
- [69:38]
Danielle Schneider
But it took a journey to get me here because I was sort of team Bethany at the beginning and watching Bethany's journey from. From, like, businesswoman to be strong, like, hey, hopping out in hurricanes, to, like, now and then now, like, going into dozen. Being, like, I don't know if I, like, get you in a sandwich, you know?
- [69:55]
Jon Lovett
Okay, first of all. First of all, that's the journey of literally every Jewish woman. Second. Second. Those cottage cheese bagels that Bethany made, They're good. I made them. I. I swear to you, this is what it means. I swear. I don't again. I watched an episode of Survivor, then I'm on Survivor. I am watching Real Housewives. Now I'm making the Bethany Frankel cottage cheese bagels. And you know what? They're great.
- [70:21]
Danielle Schneider
She gives me trump energy in the sense of, like, manic.
- [70:25]
Phoebe Robinson
Manic.
- [70:26]
Danielle Schneider
Manic. Anyone who says anything is an enemy. She can't just keep her eyes on her own paper. She's. She. She has to burn everything down. She doesn't have one real friend. Yeah, she. You know what I mean? Especially not women. Like, she cannot. There is. She's too toxic to be on her side.
- [70:44]
Phoebe Robinson
Great for tv. But, yeah, it's totally team Carol.
- [70:48]
Danielle Schneider
Yeah.
- [70:49]
Jon Lovett
Yeah.
- [70:49]
Danielle Schneider
You're not.
- [70:50]
Jon Lovett
Wow.
- [70:51]
Danielle Schneider
What's your thought?
- [70:52]
Phoebe Robinson
I don't.
- [70:52]
Danielle Schneider
I don't. What's going on?
- [70:54]
Jon Lovett
So what? I love her. I don't know. Carol thinks she's better than Bethany. No, I like Carol, too. I like them both.
- [71:04]
Phoebe Robinson
Carol's great. She was fucking that young chef.
- [71:07]
Jon Lovett
Yes.
- [71:07]
Danielle Schneider
She was a princess. She was selling her jeans on Poshmark. I mean, I love the girl.
- [71:13]
Phoebe Robinson
She's cute.
- [71:14]
Jon Lovett
Here's what I. I felt like whatever the cause of the actual ending of that friendship, we did not see it is what I felt when I watched what was on television. Whatever really happened, I don't think we know because it didn't feel like there was enough on screen or even in the descriptions of it after to help.
- [71:28]
Danielle Schneider
Me understand deeper than they are. And I don't think they are.
- [71:30]
Phoebe Robinson
I think Bethany is territorial and exalte exhausting. And I think someone like Carol, who is, like, kind of Zen in a way at first, you can, like, take that energy on, and then you're like, this is too much, dog.
- [71:44]
Jon Lovett
You know what? Maybe I think sometimes territorial and exhausting people deserve friends too. And that's all I want to say about that. Bethany won the beef. All right, next up, Tom Sandoval versus the white world.
- [72:00]
Danielle Schneider
Oh, he.
- [72:02]
Phoebe Robinson
So here's the thing. I didn't watch Vanderpump Rules, and then the. The writer strikes happened, and I, like, couldn't work. And I just. One day I woke up and I'm like, I think I'm just going to get into it. And so I started all the way from the beginning and call all the way up, and I. Tom, like, in the beginning, I was like, he's kind of like a little baby angel, like. Like a little dum. He wants to act, but he doesn't have, like, the talent to act. So he's doing the show, and I'm like, I get that. Understand that trumpet. Yeah, yeah. And then he just became such a narcissist and, like, fuck boy. And I just. I. The world. He is just. He's so bad. He's just bad news.
- [72:52]
Jon Lovett
You know what? Maybe took up. No, no, I took a couple seasons, but that shrinky dinked. You know what I mean?
- [72:58]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah.
- [72:58]
Jon Lovett
You know, the truth comes. The truth was. Will come out.
- [73:01]
Danielle Schneider
He's really dumb. And I think as a. As a woman, we can only take a dumb man Till we're 33. And then. And then we go, you know what? Time for me to move on.
- [73:15]
Jon Lovett
All right, next up, we have Gavin Newsom versus Trump.
- [73:19]
Phoebe Robinson
Guys, can I just say, Gavin Newsom it is. So. So he's giving Patrick Bateman, but I also saw a video of him changing a light bulb, and I got so wet, and I. You know, we're all complex, and I was like, he's tall, and look at him unscrew that light bulb. I just. He's a great man.
- [73:48]
Danielle Schneider
I get it. He's the part of me that would have, like, like, dated the president of the school for, like, a minute. He would have, like, let me give him a hand job or something, and I would have been like, yeah, like, he's so slick and, like, put together and, you know, like, he wouldn't like me or my messiness, but I. You know, he would sneak me behind a counter.
- [74:11]
Phoebe Robinson
I also think he would, like.
- [74:13]
Jon Lovett
So what's amazing about what's happening here is the question wasn't, do you want to gather new songs? And while I appreciate that that seems to be what you heard. I. And I get that.
- [74:30]
Phoebe Robinson
That's hilarious. We're both, like, in it. We were in it.
- [74:35]
Danielle Schneider
I'm already, like, in the back of a car with him.
- [74:40]
Jon Lovett
So the question is. In his political battle with Donald Trump, here are some of his most recent taunts at Trump in Trump's style. We have cosplay. Christie is in Portland. Hide your dogs. There was a. Why is submissive Steven so shorty? An AI photo of. Oh, yeah. Why is submissive Steven so short? An AI photo of Trump dressed as Marie Antoinette with a tweet, the queen demands sympathy from you peasants.
- [75:10]
Danielle Schneider
New sign.
- [75:12]
Phoebe Robinson
I love it. He's throwing shade. He. He won.
- [75:16]
Jon Lovett
Yeah, I think he is. I think he's. I think he's. It's. There was a. There wasn't. There was an. There was.
- [75:23]
Danielle Schneider
Sorry, I'm not listening to any.
- [75:24]
Phoebe Robinson
I'm just thinking about Wild.
- [75:27]
Jon Lovett
It's wild. What's happening?
- [75:29]
Phoebe Robinson
So hot. Just grab him. By the time. You know what, bro?
- [75:34]
Danielle Schneider
Mess up his hair.
- [75:34]
Phoebe Robinson
It won't move. Yes. He got that shellac down, honey.
- [75:42]
Jon Lovett
The next one was supposed to be about Chuck Schumer, so we're just gonna wrap it up.
- [75:46]
Phoebe Robinson
Oh, I'll get on that Schumer, baby.
- [75:51]
Jon Lovett
All right. No, as I said, I have gotten really into reality shows, and I do think, as we were just talking about, reality shows have a lot to tell us about how our culture is the way it is. And also, by the way, you gotta be for what's happening. If we wanna win in politics, we gotta understand what's happening in this world. And so I have a new series that is on the Love It Or Leave it feed. It's called Love it or Leave it presents. Bravo, America. So for those listening at home, here's a trailer. You're one of the meanest people that I love. Right? You are.
- [76:21]
Danielle Schneider
You think I'm mean?
- [76:22]
Jon Lovett
Oh, there are moments. There are moments in this show where you are. I disagree with you.
- [76:26]
Danielle Schneider
I always say in life, I'll never.
- [76:28]
Jon Lovett
Shake your hand first, but I'll shake it back hard. Hey, everybody, it's Jon Lovett of pod Save America. Love it or leave it. And for a brief moment in time, Survivor on cbs. Understanding reality TV is the key to understanding the current state of our politics. Trump gets it to your favorite Democrats. I doubt it. That's why I'm introducing a limited series on this feed called Love it or Leave it presents Bravo America. Every week, I'm going to sit down with my favorite personalities in reality tv. People like Dorinda Medley from the Real Housewives of New York. Orange county house husband and botched surgeon, Dr. Terry Dubrow. Survivors. Black widow, poverty, shallow. Welcome to Plathville's Olivia Plath and more. Over eight episodes of Conversations will answer three big questions. What did my guest learn about reality tv? Stay famous. Stay on tv.
- [77:12]
Phoebe Robinson
At the end of the day, what.
- [77:13]
Danielle Schneider
Reality TV is even all about, right? It's to foster these conversations where people.
- [77:17]
Jon Lovett
With different perspectives sit at the table.
- [77:19]
Danielle Schneider
And talk about it.
- [77:20]
Jon Lovett
What did my guests learn about themselves?
- [77:22]
Phoebe Robinson
I am very good at emotional manipulation and I remember that camera coming around.
- [77:28]
Jon Lovett
And thinking, oh, I like the camera.
- [77:31]
Danielle Schneider
And I think the camera likes me.
- [77:33]
Jon Lovett
And what did they learn about politics and this great and perfect nation of ours? Through it all, I'm pushing to get people to talk more openly about all of this, including stories they haven't told and moments that didn't make it on screen. I even asked Terry Dabrow what plastic surgery I should get. Be very careful as a man doing a lower eyelid blepharoplasty. There's some celebrities who I'll show you after they look weird. Love it or Leave it presents Bravo America on this feed every Tuesday for the next eight weeks. So check it out and and be cool about it. Don't be all uncool. When we come back, we're going to start some beefs of our own.
- [78:07]
Phoebe Robinson
Ooh, ooh.
- [78:09]
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Jon Lovett
And we're back. Couple notes. Crooked Con. You may have heard that Crooked Con sold out, which was awesome. So by even more popular demand, we are moving Crooked Con to a bigger location so we can sell some more tickets. We're gonna have more panels, we're gonna have more guests. The new venue is. Drumroll. The Ronald Reagan building. We're gonna win one for the Gipper. You have your favorite podcast host from Crooked Plus 8, Andy Beshear, Anderson Clayton, Ben Wickler, Senator Ruben Gallego, Maurice Mitchell Hassan Piker, and more. We're also adding a vote Save America Action Hub.
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Danielle Schneider
Yeah.
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Jon Lovett
With a bunch of great organizations are going to help you figure out how best to get involved. So head to cricketcon.com for tickets and we will see you in DC on November 7th. All right, we've talked a lot about other people's beefs tonight, but I think we all deserve to have one of our own. So we're going to spin the wheel, and each of us is going to start a feud with an unsuspecting foe in a game we're calling now. You're cooking. And we're each going to have a quick minute to. To start a beef. All right, let's see. Who do we let. Do we have a wheel? Hell yeah. Oh.
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Phoebe Robinson
Oh, my God.
- [81:04]
Jon Lovett
Phoebe, Who'd you like to have some beef with?
- [81:07]
Phoebe Robinson
I. I have beef with. With businessmen in the airports. I've had enough. So many egregious affronts. There's two things. There is. What I hate is the businessman who is clearly in group two, but he thinks he is global services. And it's just fumbling his way around, like, oh, I think I'm supposed to board. And the person will be like, no, your group, too. And he's like, he can't see it on his boarding pass. Go the. To hell. You know, you're group two. So that's one. And then this was when I was traveling, when I was touring, and I got into, like, you know, whatever, like, lounge or whatever. And I was sitting here. Person I was doing Santa with was sitting across from me. And there's two. There's this NPC next to Me, NPC next to her, Khalees, and this older married white couple, they come in, they sit down and there's like a table. And I'm like eating my breakfast. And I'm like, you know, sort of like scrolling social media and I clearly have food on my plate. And I was like, watching this video and I turn around and this dusty ass man discarded all of his food garbage onto my plate. Yes. Just taking up space with his fucking apple cores. And I was just so aghast. Cause I'm like, but you're with your wife. Like, why can't you guys, like, consolidate your trash over there? He just, he just fucking, man, spreaded his garbage everywhere. So I just think businessmen are just fucking menaces and they need to stay home. You're not allowed to fly anymore. It's too much. Fuck you. Yeah, they're so rude. They hit me with my suitcases. They stand in front of me, they're like, oh, I didn't see you. You did see me.
- [83:06]
Jon Lovett
And you know, it's like, LA just decided to spend $2.6 billion to upgrade our convention center at a time in which, like, isn't that era over? And it's like, no, no, no, but don't worry, in 50 years, we're gonna fucking be in the black. And it's like, oh, no. But it's like, but it's like, are the businessmen going to these conventions if they're not having affairs anymore?
- [83:24]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah, they're. They're just everywhere. So much the arrogance, the rudeness.
- [83:30]
Jon Lovett
Let's spin it again.
- [83:35]
Danielle Schneider
Oh, a beef. I, I do. I had a beef. I started a beef the other day.
- [83:41]
Jon Lovett
Oh, really?
- [83:42]
Danielle Schneider
I didn't mean to. And I, I'm. I called my therapist afterwards because it was bad. It was bad. I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm work. I work my anger out, out in the streets. And I was at my child's basketball game the other day, and we'll say I didn't have a great night of sleep, but this. I was, you know, in it. You know, you're in it with. There's a ref. And my daughter's little and she gets hit a lot and I get upset. And so a girl hit her. And I was like, hey, ref, call a foul. Or, you know, like. Cause it's hard to watch your child get hurt. And a woman behind me screamed, calm down.
- [84:23]
Phoebe Robinson
Wow.
- [84:24]
Danielle Schneider
And I said to myself, danielle, don't say anything. Like, this is your child's game. Like, just, Just be okay. And I was for A minute. And then that woman behind me started screaming about her child. And I went, calm down. The woman comes up from behind, starts screaming at me, said, you want to take this outside?
- [84:49]
Phoebe Robinson
I was like, do I look like I want to take this outside?
- [84:53]
Danielle Schneider
Started screaming. She had to be pulled back by her friend. The ref stopped the game. My child's looking at me like. And then. And so we stopped. But as we were leaving, I took out my basketball pump in case I had to, like, come to blows with her. Like, like, literally started a beef with a woman.
- [85:15]
Phoebe Robinson
So you didn't start it? I saw her. She was nothing but chaos.
- [85:19]
Danielle Schneider
But I should have not. I had a moment where I did not have to say, calm down.
- [85:25]
Phoebe Robinson
No, Say you got. No, no, no, no. You match people at their energy.
- [85:28]
Danielle Schneider
Thank you.
- [85:29]
Phoebe Robinson
Thank you. I'm a Libra and that's what you do. They don't like it.
- [85:32]
Danielle Schneider
No, they don't.
- [85:33]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah. I'm like, don't say it. Yeah, cuz I'll meet you. Thank you. I'll always VP to fucking gutter with you, bitch.
- [85:41]
Danielle Schneider
Yeah.
- [85:42]
Phoebe Robinson
Don't care.
- [85:43]
Danielle Schneider
Thank you.
- [85:44]
Phoebe Robinson
Where were you that day? I would have had your bag.
- [85:46]
Danielle Schneider
Oh, I needed you.
- [85:48]
Jon Lovett
How did Was the. Your return? Calm down immediately after. Before she reacts. The words have left your mouth.
- [85:58]
Danielle Schneider
Yes.
- [85:59]
Jon Lovett
In the moment after.
- [86:01]
Danielle Schneider
I felt great.
- [86:03]
Jon Lovett
Really? That's interesting. That's interesting.
- [86:06]
Danielle Schneider
I felt incredible.
- [86:07]
Phoebe Robinson
Yeah.
- [86:07]
Jon Lovett
Okay.
- [86:08]
Danielle Schneider
Yeah. I have again since called my therapist and said, I've got a problem.
- [86:12]
Jon Lovett
That's interesting. That's interesting.
- [86:13]
Phoebe Robinson
But what does your therapist say? They. I mean, she hasn't called me back. Okay, I got it.
- [86:18]
Jon Lovett
Just. All right, let's.
- [86:19]
Danielle Schneider
We've been playing phone tag.
- [86:21]
Jon Lovett
Let's spin it again.
- [86:29]
Phoebe Robinson
All right.
- [86:29]
Jon Lovett
I have a specific beef that I would like to. To start Nook. And I will preface this by saying liberal America is feeling anxious, angry, scared, uncertain, and Los Angeles is a bit under siege. I do believe that we are allowing that tension to play out on our roads as we drive. I think you can genuinely see it in the way people drive in Los Angeles. There is something that is happening at stop signs, and I believe it is new. And I think it is yet another symbol of decadence and decline. Decline. And it is this. This goes on my list of the rise of the tinted windows, including incredibly tinted front and front passenger windows, which shouldn't be tinted, and front windows, front windshields that are tinted, and all other kinds of kind of debauched, selfish behavior on the roads. People are slowing down and stopping way behind the stop sign. So that they don't have to come to a complete stop stop, but can claim they did and roll all the way through. And so what happens is you arrive at a stop sign and you are ostensibly at the line. The other person on some level was arriving before you, but in the efforts of depriving themselves of the ill feeling of a break, is slowly trying to roll through but still claiming the right of way. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? It's a new thing. Like, I really do think it's a new evolution of rudeness. So people are so if this is the line, they're slowing to hear they're there before you on some level. But you're at the line because you drove to the line and stopped. And then you don't really know whether you're supposed to go first or not because on some level you're at the line first. But another, they feel like they should be able to zoom ahead of you. And so I'll tell you something. Depends on the, the, the, the vibe. But at this point it's like, if you're not going to stop at the stop sign, I'm going, I'm fucking going. And are you noticing that people are just saying it and running red lights a little more? It's crazy out there.
- [88:36]
Phoebe Robinson
What's going on? Why are you so fired up?
- [88:40]
Jon Lovett
It is a town hall.
- [88:42]
Phoebe Robinson
Hey. Can you believe.
- [88:45]
Jon Lovett
Hey, if you're in Los Angeles, get your Prop 50 ballot in and hey, hey, just pull up right up to the stop sign, stop, look around. And I would suggest this. Give yourself a treat, let somebody in. You'll find that even though it will cost you a quarter second, the surprising good feeling you have will last even longer and perhaps you'll train yourself to do it more. And when you let someone in now in Los Angeles, they look at you like you decided not to kill them. Everybody. Also, please do me a favor and listen to Bitch Sesh.
- [89:33]
Phoebe Robinson
Thank you.
- [89:33]
Jon Lovett
With Danielle Schneider. Check out Phoebe's special I Don't Want to work anymore on YouTube. Check out Bravo and Make America. Thank you, Phoebe. Thank you, Danielle. We'll see you next week at Dynasty typewriter. There are 388 days until the midterms. Have a great night and have a great weekend. If you're already scrolling endlessly, which we know you are, don't forget to follow us at Crooked media on Instagram, TikTok and all the other ones for original content, community events and more. You can also find Love Iteration. Leave it on YouTube for videos of your favorite segments and other YouTube exclusive content. And if you want to sing our praises or rip us a new one, please drop us a review. Finally, if you want to listen to Love it or Leave it ad free and get access to exclusive shows, go to crooked.com friends to subscribe on Supercast, Substack, YouTube or Apple Podcasts. Wherever you are, you can find us Love it or Leave it is a Crooked Media production. It is written and produced by me, John Lovett and Lee Eisenberg. Kendra James is our ex executive producer, Phil McGrath is our producer and Kennedy Hill is our Associate Producer. Hallie Keifer is our head writer, Sarah Lazarus, Jocelyn Coffin, Peter Miller, Alan Pierre and Suba Argo all are our writers. Jordan Cantor is our editor, Kyle Seglin and Charlotte Landis provide audio support. Stephen Cologne is our audio engineer. Our theme song is written and performed by sure sure. Thanks to our designer Sammy Caderna Reeves for creating and running all of our visuals, which you can't see because this is a podcast. And to our digital producer producers David Towles, Claudia Shang, Mia Kelman, Delon Villanueva and Rachel Gajewski for filming and editing video each week. So youo Can Our Head of Production is Matt de Groat and our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America.
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