MAHA Mom Leslie Voorhees Means joins the show to talk about people, politics and making the effort to be curious and find humanity. Leslie is the wife of Calley Means, a senior adviser for the Department of Health and Human Services.

Their conversation covers a lot of ground! The two chat about how they got connected, healthcare as a human right, food access, universal healthcare, MAHA wins and goals, moms and ICE.

Jessica and Leslie may not agree on everything, but they found an opportunity to build a relationship that will continue their education and understanding. This is a conversation that invites curiosity and also knowing that one hour isn't the end!

Regular listeners of the podcast will know that for thought provoking episodes Jessica does a follow up episode. And the follow-up episode about MAHA moms will come in May, after she attends the People vs. Poison Rally at Supreme Court on April 27th.

Leslie Voorhees Means video about her confinement nanny

Episode on confinement nannies

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Meeting a MAHA Mom in the Middle with Leslie Voorhees Means