Dr. Oz has made up a new description of American women: under-babied. So it was a good time to return to this conversation with Dr. Eoin Flaherty.

The Trump administration has talked about using awards, scholarships and cash as incentives to have more children. People see Elon as a leader in pronatalism conversations. Dr. Eoin Flaherty is back on the show to connect the dots between population control, pronatalism, and the environment. Eoin talks with Jessica about the Better Baby fairs of the 1900s and the two talk about how race is the underpinning of pronatalism even if no one speaks about it directly. The two talk about fertility hysteria, and the difference between fertility rates and birth rates.

Eoin shares what research is next for him, and Jessica thinks that he might get the attention of Make America Healthy Again evangelists.

Some mentions from the episode:

Alison Pill's episode

Dr Paul Saladino AKA Captain Cotton Underpants

Adriana Smith

Timeline of Ireland abortion laws

Maternal death rates in the US

Dr. Harvey Kellogg RELATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH TO RACE DEGENERACY

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