Calvin Gilbert returns to the show to talk about self-medicating ADHD with exercise and the intersections with gender and disordered eating. Calvin talks about their all-or-nothing thinking, their history with alcohol abuse, and their experiences competing in two Iron Man races. We get into the multiple times they've come out to friends and family over the last 20+ years and their path to knowing they are non-binary.

The two start with new reflections of Jessica's recent trip to the ADA conference and how it brought Jessica to tears. Calvin reminds Jessica that her concerns about not being recorded were incredibly valid and offers support as the two recall their conference presentation that was disrupted by an unhinged attendee.

At the end of this episode Calvin pledges to work on a couple of adulting tasks and will follow up with this audience!

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