#136 - Adult Best Friends with Delaney Buffett and Katie Corwin

Summary

Podcast Summary: Man of the Year - Champions of Friendship
Episode: #136 - Adult Best Friends with Delaney Buffett and Katie Corwin
Release Date: June 17, 2025
Hosts: Matt Ritter and Aaron Karo
Guests: Delaney Buffett and Katie Corwin

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1. Introduction of Guests and Their Work

Time Frame: [01:47] - [03:11]

Aaron Karo welcomes Delaney Buffett and Katie Corwin, the stars and writers of the new movie "Adult Best Friends", which is now available for streaming on Max. Delaney also serves as the producer and director of the film. The hosts express their enthusiasm, with Aaron commenting, "Delaney, I messaged you. It's great. You guys did an incredible job. Mazel tov. Incredible" ([02:57]).

2. Early Friendship Dynamics

Time Frame: [03:11] - [04:20]

Delaney and Katie share nostalgic memories from their childhood. Delaney mentions, "Everyone else had a nickname. Why not us?" ([00:32]). They discuss the playful nicknames they gave themselves in school, highlighting the uniqueness of their bond. Matt Ritter humorously adds, "Matt and I have seen friends since before you guys were born" ([04:04]).

3. Synopsis and Themes of "Adult Best Friends"

Time Frame: [03:11] - [04:20]

Katie provides a brief overview of their movie: "It's about two friends. One of them gets engaged... it's not based in reality in terms of the plot, but it touches on how friendships evolve from childhood to adulthood" ([03:20]). She emphasizes that while the story includes emotional moments inspired by their own experiences, the plot itself is fictional.

4. Audience Feedback and Universal Themes in Friendship

Time Frame: [06:31] - [07:05]

Matt notes the universal appeal of friendship themes: "We realized doing this friendship pod for two white guys in our 40s... these themes are super universal" ([06:31]). Delaney adds, "It's our favorite compliment when it resonated with someone" ([07:05]), stressing the widespread relevance of their story.

5. Seasons of Friendship: Navigating Changes like Marriage and Parenthood

Time Frame: [07:05] - [10:49]

Matt introduces the concept of "seasons for friendship," discussing how major life changes such as marriage and having children can affect friendships. Katie reflects, "When someone else comes into your friend's life... you're not the number one priority necessarily, and that's fine" ([08:21]). Delaney elaborates on the commitment required to maintain lifelong friendships: "Once you really commit to a friendship... it takes a lot of the pressure off" ([10:04]).

6. Communication and Conflict Resolution in Friendships

Time Frame: [10:49] - [21:46]

Delaney and Katie delve into effective communication strategies within friendships. Katie states, "We talk all the time... I'm not expecting a call every night now" ([08:21]), highlighting realistic expectations. They discuss the importance of managing expectations and being present during significant life events. Delaney adds, "It's like a sibling... you make it work" ([10:06]).

Matt brings up conflict resolution, noting that while men often have "falling offs," the guests approach conflicts more thoughtfully. Delaney describes their approach: "We both approach it in a very, like, therapized... it's never like 'What'd you say?'" ([19:28]). Katie emphasizes the value of premeditated conversations to ensure productive dialogue: "We go through what we want to say and how we want to say it" ([19:56]).

7. Differences in Male and Female Friendship Communication

Time Frame: [21:46] - [24:28]

The discussion shifts to gender differences in communication within friendships. Matt humorously critiques male communication: "Men don't have falling outs, they just have falling offs" ([21:52]). They explore how women often engage in more detailed emotional discussions, while men might prefer simpler resolutions. Delaney mentions, "We could maybe meet somewhere in the middle and just hash it out simply" ([21:46]).

8. The Role of Therapy in Maintaining Friendships

Time Frame: [24:28] - [25:55]

Aaron shares his and Matt's experiences with therapy: "We've both stopped going to therapy, but neither of us told the other" ([22:15]). They discuss the benefits and challenges of therapy in personal growth and maintaining healthy friendships. Katie adds light-hearted anecdotes about therapy sessions influencing their creative processes ([22:42]).

9. Friends and Romantic Relationships: Setting Up Friends on Dates

Time Frame: [25:55] - [28:31]

The conversation moves to the complexities of friends setting each other up on dates. Delaney recounts her experience: "I've tried to set up maybe three people... I've set up once and was a little insulted" ([25:39]). Katie shares a positive outcome from a past setup, demonstrating the potential success: "We're still talking about it today, so you must have had a good time" ([25:33]). They discuss strategies for effective matchmaking without overstepping boundaries.

10. The Evolution of the Movie: From Hard Comedy to Emotional Tribute

Time Frame: [28:31] - [32:36]

Katie describes how "Adult Best Friends" transformed during production: "We did not intend for it to lean towards romantic comedy... it turned more into a lot more heart woven with humor" ([30:23]). The emotional depth of their real-life friendship infused the movie with authenticity. Delaney adds, "Poking fun at you the entire time and also supporting you simultaneously is just a gift while making a movie" ([31:54]).

11. Closing Thoughts and Emotional Declarations

Time Frame: [32:36] - [35:10]

As the episode wraps up, the hosts encourage listeners to express appreciation for their friends. Aaron suggests starting with "thank you" as a gateway to "I love you" ([33:14]). The guests participate in a heartfelt exchange, with Delaney and Katie expressing love for each other and the hosts: "I love you, Delaney" ([34:56]) and "I love you, Katie" ([34:57]).

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Notable Quotes

• Aaron Karo: "When someone else comes into your friend's life... you're not the number one priority necessarily, and that's fine." ([08:21])
• Katie Corwin: "We always go back and forth... It's about two friends... Friends forever." ([10:04])
• Matt Ritter: "We don't have these, like, blowout. We just stop talking to each other. But then, yeah, we can bring it back in, like one beer hang." ([21:52])
• Delaney Buffett: "Once you really commit to a friendship... it's like a sibling. You make it work." ([10:04])
• Aaron Karo: "You have to say something. That's your job. It's an inner circle, not some random friend you have to tell on." ([16:48])

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Conclusion

In this heartfelt episode of Man of the Year, Delaney Buffett and Katie Corwin share their deep insights into maintaining long-term friendships amidst life’s evolving challenges. Through personal anecdotes, discussions on communication strategies, and reflections on their collaborative work on "Adult Best Friends", they provide listeners with valuable lessons on nurturing and sustaining meaningful connections. The episode culminates in an emotional exchange of love and appreciation, embodying the very essence of the podcast’s mission to champion friendship.

Transcript

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[Matt Ritter]

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[Aaron Caro]

Welcome to the number one friendship podcast in the country. I'm Aaron Caro.

[Matt Ritter]

I'm Matt Ritter.

[Aaron Caro]

And make sure to go to manofthearpodcast.com to grab our merch. I'm wearing one of our shirts right now. And go to YouTube to watch our episodes. Guys, double trouble. Today we have two guests. Matt and I. We're gonna barely get a word in edgewise. And I never get to speak anyway, so I'm not even gonna get to talk real life. Best friends Delaney Buffett and Katie Corwin are the stars and writers of the new movie Adult Best Friends, available now on Max. Stream it. Guys, Delaney is also the producer and director. Welcome, Delaney and Katie, to man of the Year.

[Delaney Buffett]

Thank you for having you very excited.

[Aaron Caro]

This is probably very silly, but people have given. Have people given you, like a Brangelina sort of Killeeny type nickname in like 5th grade?

[Delaney Buffett]

It was Killini, we called her.

[Katie Corwin]

To be clear, we Called ourselves that. I don't think anyone else.

[Delaney Buffett]

Everyone else had a nickname. Why not us?

[Katie Corwin]

I think we called ourselves that. Katie.

[Matt Ritter]

Yeah.

[Katie Corwin]

It didn't catch up ever.

[Aaron Caro]

So that kind of gets to our. Actually before we even get into anything. Do you guys want to tell our viewers sort of the basic gist of what your movie is about? By the way? We both watch it. It's hilarious. Delaney, I messaged you. It's great. You guys did an incredible job. Mazel tov. Incredible.

[Katie Corwin]

Thank you. Do you want to take it, or do you want me to? Katie.

[Delaney Buffett]

I'll do it.

[Katie Corwin]

I'll do it.

[Aaron Caro]

Sorry.

[Katie Corwin]

We always go back and forth. It's about two friends. One of them gets engaged. Katie's character gets engaged. She's afraid to tell my character because they're very codependent, so she takes her on a trip to break the news. It is not based in reality in terms of the plot, but it certainly touches on the idea of, you know, how friendships evolve from childhood to adulthood. And there are parts of Katie and me definitely in there, and we've gone through some of the emotional moments, but. But we always like to clarify that the plot, not to spoil anything, is not. We made all of it up.

[Matt Ritter]

I, I, I love the movie. And I don't know if you guys know that you're the female us, and Carol and I have been friends.

[Aaron Caro]

Not a compliment, by the way.

[Delaney Buffett]

Okay.

[Matt Ritter]

Carol and I have seen friends since before you guys were born. And I am married with a second kid on the way. And Caro is still out pounding drugs in West Hollywood.

[Aaron Caro]

I don't know what you were gonna say that I was pounding, and it somehow was worse than what I thought you were gonna say.

[Matt Ritter]

Oh, and the best part, Carol married my wife, and I. Oh, wow.

[Katie Corwin]

That's so nice.

[Matt Ritter]

Yeah.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah. Matt asked me to officiate his wedding. He said, roast me. And of course, two best friends, both of them comedians. I did not. I did not hold back. I mean, people were like, oh, my God.

[Delaney Buffett]

People's grandmas are, like, getting up, walking out. That's so funny.

[Aaron Caro]

Katie, are you. Are you married?

[Delaney Buffett]

I am. I am married.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah. Okay. And so. And. And so was Delaney your maid?

[Delaney Buffett]

She was not. She was my. My sister was my official maid of honor. But when it came to, like, the speech, like, the main stage, um, that was all Delaney. And I would say it, like, emotional support. Got it, like, you know, throughout the process, like, you can really only put so much on family when you're, like, asking them to look at place mats. For six months leading up to like a party, so.

[Katie Corwin]

And only for kids. Low tolerance, that kind of stuff.

[Aaron Caro]

How was the speech?

[Delaney Buffett]

It was so good that now she writes freelance wedding speeches for people. She was like, immediately hit up for jobs.

[Aaron Caro]

All right, well, delay. We. We are the same person, so.

[Matt Ritter]

No, this is Cairo. He's like literally the wedding.

[Aaron Caro]

I've officiated four weddings.

[Katie Corwin]

Wow.

[Aaron Caro]

And on my hinge profile, I basically say to girl, like, so of the four, one is one couple's divorced and three are still married, including Matt, obviously. So I have, I have four in a. Like this. And I say, guess which one is the divorce couple.

[Delaney Buffett]

And.

[Aaron Caro]

And people.

[Katie Corwin]

Do. Your friend.

[Delaney Buffett]

You have a pretty good record.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah, 75 is better than national average.

[Matt Ritter]

It's early yet.

[Delaney Buffett]

A lot of people yourself, right?

[Matt Ritter]

No, I'm good. But I'm just saying premature to give this guy a high grade on these, you know, new marriages.

[Aaron Caro]

A lot of people.

[Matt Ritter]

I'm eight years. I'm eight years in with a second kid coming two weeks. So I'm, I'm locked into this. I'm locked into this thing. Long haul. I did want to ask about, you know, kind of the feedback. Like, I just felt this movie was so real and it felt like so now. And I just can imagine you're getting so many people going, oh, that's me. And my best. Because literally Carol and I'm like, oh, that's us. Are you getting a lot of people going, hey, that's us. Like, that's to like. I'm just curious, what kind of feedback are you getting from people?

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's, there's a lot of that and I think that's like the most we could ever ask for. Like, that's like our favorite compliment when, when it resonated with someone, anyone. But like even extra points if it's not a 33 year old white woman, if we're like, oh, like we reached out like to anyone else, like, that's awesome. Like that we was able to be.

[Matt Ritter]

You know, that's what we realized about doing this friendship pod for, you know, two white guys in our 40s. Like, these themes are super universal. Like things that you're going through with your best friend, like everybody's going through, you know, and I think that's. I was like thinking about that too. We talk about this on the pod and I'm just curious your thoughts on this of like seasons for friendship. We talk about this a lot. Like when one friend shifts into a new big phase of life and obviously Marriage is a big one. Kids are another big one. Like, how to sustain that, you know, I mean, like, I'm curious just, like, what you guys kind of learned or thought about, you know, from doing this movie. Like, what have you gleaned about friendship when, you know, women or just friends go through that separation phase and, like, how to. How to maintain the friendship?

[Katie Corwin]

I. I think we learned, like, I think we learned a lot from the process in general and that, like, you know, just making this movie, that. That was another. This is a big step for us, and I think that made us closer than ever. And then in terms of marriage, like, in the, the speech that I gave for Katie, not to bring it up, because it is brought up all the time. I'm just kidding. But I, I like the theme of it was, you know, what does it look like when someone else comes into your friend's life and, you know, you're not the number one priority necessarily, and that's fine. And I think a big thing we always talk about is, like, ex. Managing expectations for friendships because, like, you know, I don't expect. Katie and I work together, so we talk all the time. But for my other friendships as well, like, I'm not expecting a call every night now. I'm not expecting, like, a text or an update. I'm just sort of. My main expectation is you're going to. You're going to be there if a large thing in my life happens. And for the most part, I'm very lucky and that all of my friends do that. But I think when you're a kid, you're like, well, you have to answer the phone, like, because, like, Timmy called and, like, it was such a big deal in my life. And, like, you don't answer. Like, I'm going to like, whatever. It's like now, if something like that happens, that's a horrible example. But if something small happens in my life, I'm not expecting my friends to drop everything. They have lives, they have children, they have partners. You know, they have demanding jobs. So I really think that.

[Delaney Buffett]

And same for you. Like, you're. You're also very busy. So someone can't expect, like, any friend, regardless of what.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, any friend. Of what they have going on. Yeah, of course.

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah, I would say too, like, oh, please.

[Aaron Caro]

No, please, please, please.

[Delaney Buffett]

That's really quick. I was going to say that, like, one thing I. Since just we talk about this so much now, like, we've never had to, like, analyze our friendship before. But I would say, like, once you take out. Once you really commit to a friendship. Like, we're gonna be friends forever. I don't know how it'll happen, but that's the commitment. I think it takes a lot of the pressure off of it. Because you. I always liken it to, like, a sibling. Like, you're never like, oh, I had a sister, but she had kids, so we lost touch. Like, that not how it happens. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you hear from her a little less when they're younger. You have to see her. You know, maybe you hang out with her while she's at the playground. Like, whatever. You make it work. Like, it's. There's never, like a. We might actually just stop doing this.

[Aaron Caro]

We call that earning tenure. So she's going to be.

[Delaney Buffett]

I like that. Tenured friend. I really like that.

[Aaron Caro]

Matt and I also recently came to the realization that we are going to. He's going to know me longer than he knows his parents, his wife, or his kids.

[Matt Ritter]

Yikes.

[Katie Corwin]

I need to laugh at that, but that's crazy.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah. No, that is funny. I mean, it's insane.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah.

[Aaron Caro]

And. And also Delaney, to your point about, like, you know, when you have friends who. Who, like Matt, he.

[Katie Corwin]

He.

[Aaron Caro]

He married Jess. I got downgraded. He had a kid. I got downgraded. He is having another kid. I downgraded. And I keep telling you, I'm like, I'm fine with it. Like, less communication is okay.

[Katie Corwin]

Okay. Yeah.

[Aaron Caro]

37 years. Like, it's okay. I can know. I don't need to hear from Matt every night.

[Matt Ritter]

Yeah. But Carol has this thing that I like, too, because we've been figuring this out, you know? I mean, you just figure it out. That's the thing about life is you go through these new phases, and it's not all or nothing. And I, like, that's what you're saying. It's like, hey, as long as, you know, they're committed to you. You can have all these peaks and valleys, or as I call them, seasons of friendship, or just, hey, I just don't have the time. That doesn't mean we have any less of a commitment or bond to each other. But Carol has this thing, and I didn't know this, and this is like, hey, this is why we communicate. And men are not really that good at it. But I didn't know he would even want the invite for some of the, like, kids stuff. And he's. He said he's like, look, I know you may not think I'm going to enjoy it. It's like a kid's birthday party. But I would like the invite and let me decide if I want to show. I'm not going to show, but I want.

[Aaron Caro]

I always say no, but I want to be invited.

[Delaney Buffett]

That's a really good point.

[Katie Corwin]

A great example. Yeah.

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah. And I really agree.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah. Because I think that's these like people also and I am guilty of this to operate or the assumption of like why like this is not saying I wouldn't want to come to one of your kids parties but it's like, well I wouldn't want to go to someone else's like I'm not gonna invite them or I would feel bad. Like something like that where it's like you're under the assumption. But it's, it's include like. Yeah. To assume like oh, this person's not going to want to come to my kids party is, is easy to do but to include them. Yeah. To your point, maybe you're not going to go. 90%.

[Delaney Buffett]

You want to make sure that welcomed.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Delaney Buffett]

You're of course welcome to come continuously.

[Katie Corwin]

Include someone in your life. Yeah.

[Matt Ritter]

I had a question about the movie because it just hit me that like we all have a friend who marries somebody who I don't know, is boring or sucks or whatever. We all just like have somebody.

[Aaron Caro]

Right.

[Matt Ritter]

And I'm just always just. I just, I went out to dinner. It's so funny. Before I watched the movie last night, I went out to dinner with a guy who told me that he told his friend not to marry that person and they ended up getting married and he somehow is still friends with this guy but the wife will never come out. She's never going to talk to him, you know, So I always wonder like how, you know, how do you think you're supposed to balance that? You know, I mean what did you, did you, you know, kind of think to yourself like should you tell your friend if you don't like their partner? Because I thought. I think we, Carol and I have discussed on the pod. I think you end up. You can't say anything if they're going to be.

[Katie Corwin]

I didn't tell Katie.

[Delaney Buffett]

I, I always say unless they're in literal. Unless they're in danger. I think more or less across the board. Unless someone asks for your opinion, I think you just shut up.

[Katie Corwin]

I agree because I like you said, they not like people don't like people want advice but they rarely take it. And I think like there are many, they're not many, but everyone has that situation. And I think like every time I've heard that similar stories. And they married them anyway.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah.

[Katie Corwin]

And then you're like, you know what I mean?

[Matt Ritter]

It's boring. You're right. I'm out.

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah. My friend wasn't on board. Exactly.

[Katie Corwin]

My friend didn't like him. So I, but no, I, oh, I almost just stole my coffee or I did. I, I, I, I'm on the page of you. Kind of, to Katie's point. Unless it's like very dangerous, like a, like a two drug addicts in a relationship or something. Very dark. I, I think you don't you keep your mouth shut.

[Matt Ritter]

By the way, the guy who told me, the guy who told me this story, he's like, yeah. And she would like fake medical emergencies and stuff to get her, his friend to come down. I'm like, oh, man. Actually, that is one way to tell the guy.

[Delaney Buffett]

She sounds bad. Yeah, she sounds, I'm sure she's terrible.

[Katie Corwin]

People still marry people like that. Then you're like, I've given them all the facts and they don't seem to be responding to the facts. It's not even my emotion behind it, but.

[Delaney Buffett]

Well, I feel like that also almost like takes away the autonomy of your friend. It's like they know.

[Matt Ritter]

Yeah, they know.

[Delaney Buffett]

And like you don't know. Like, I know you think you know better than they do, but like, it's their life.

[Matt Ritter]

Like, yeah, I think we all think we know. Like, we know what's going on behind closed. Like, you know nothing about anybody's relationship that is not your own. I think the number.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, totally. The number of times I've said relationships that I shouldn't be in room. Like, and this is a classic. It's like you just don't know what it's like when we're like, alone together and it's like, I, I don't. And now I can't fight back at that. But it's true. Like, you don't know as, you know, as cliche as it might be, you don't know. And yeah, the person knows. The person is aware of their partner's flaws. They're just choosing to.

[Matt Ritter]

They're also the flaws as you see them, you know?

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Matt Ritter]

You're not your friend. Right. I mean, that's what like two in this movie, it's like these are two different, wildly different people. So of course your view of this guy is going to be different from hers.

[Aaron Caro]

I don't know. I disagree with you guys. I think you have to say something. That's your Job. It's an inner circle, not some random friend you have to tell on. This person sucks. You have to. You have to say it once. You have to say your piece. You have to do it diplomatically, but.

[Matt Ritter]

Then you're ostracizing yourself from that friendship forever if they marry that person. You do realize that's the thing.

[Aaron Caro]

Well, first of all, in your anecdote, Matt, it's an implied that the guy told his wife that the friend said I shouldn't.

[Matt Ritter]

That's what I said. I'm like, this guy sold you out. He obviously told the wife.

[Delaney Buffett]

I think that's inevitable. Yeah, they always do once you're in bed under the COVID Agree.

[Matt Ritter]

Listen, Caro knows anything he tells me Jess is pretty privy to. That's how it is.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah. Which is why I don't tell you very much anymore. But the fact that this guy told his wife that his friend told him that he shouldn't marry her, I don't.

[Matt Ritter]

Think it came out like that. I don't think it comes out like that.

[Aaron Caro]

How did it come out?

[Matt Ritter]

I don't know. I'm saying I don't think he probably. He probably didn't point blank say that.

[Delaney Buffett]

Where's your line for like, when do I step in? It's like, I think she's annoying. It's like, well, you're not marrying her, right? Or is it like. Or is it like, seriously, like, I think, you know, I think you're marching towards, like, a sad life.

[Matt Ritter]

She fakes medical emergencies.

[Delaney Buffett]

No, that's a pretty high.

[Aaron Caro]

We've got Munchausen syndrome. Like, what are we doing here?

[Delaney Buffett]

Don't drink your coffee.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah, yeah. I think you got. Listen, you're hanging out, you have a couple drinks, you go, you know she sucks, right? He's like, what? You're like, nothing. I don't know. And just like, you say your case, that way you have a leg to stand on when they eventually get divorced, which they will. Or you never see your friend again because he's. Because the girl.

[Matt Ritter]

No, but the worst part is it's usually the friend opening the door, like saying something negative about the partner, and then, yes, he sees it, she gets it. Whatever.

[Katie Corwin]

It's a trap. It's a trap.

[Matt Ritter]

Total trap. It's a trap.

[Katie Corwin]

It's a trap. Yeah.

[Delaney Buffett]

You know it's crazy, right?

[Matt Ritter]

Oh, what you say? You're like. What you just say about my wife? You just said it.

[Katie Corwin]

No, I didn't say.

[Aaron Caro]

I'm curious. So. So we touched on this a little bit. So you Guys are real life, like, childhood friends, like me and Matt. So me and Matt also started working together about two and a half years ago.

[Matt Ritter]

Bad idea, bad choices.

[Aaron Caro]

Our relationship, and I'm being a little earnest here has grown in a. And I know more about. I know this man's in second grade. I've learned so much about him and actually about myself. And, like, we've had a couple tiffs. I'm gonna say that very lightly. Like, low level. Matt is very even. I'm curious, you guys. Matt is very even tempered. And I'm the fly off the handle guy. Is that the. What about you guys?

[Delaney Buffett]

I think we're both relatively even tempered.

[Katie Corwin]

I think that we have our different quirks, but I would say that we're both pretty.

[Delaney Buffett]

When it. I'd say when it comes to conflict, we both approach it in a very, like, therapized.

[Katie Corwin]

Therapized.

[Delaney Buffett]

I would like to speak to you like, like some. You know what I mean? Like, it's never like. What'd you say? Like, it's never like that.

[Katie Corwin]

We had it. We had a conversation yesterday and it was like. Because I want it to be clear today.

[Delaney Buffett]

Sure.

[Katie Corwin]

And I want to make sure when we're having a conversation about this, it's very. It's like I'm having a conversation with.

[Delaney Buffett]

It's from two people that have such bad anx.

[Toyota Representative]

Society.

[Delaney Buffett]

Not to sound like virtually everyone else on the planet, but that we definitely go through what we want to say and how we want to say it before we approach the person to make sure that the conversation is productive.

[Matt Ritter]

I think.

[Delaney Buffett]

And yeah, we've had a lot of therapy.

[Matt Ritter]

I think a lesson from that. I don't even think we've talked about that before because Carol and I are, I would say, on the spectrum of men, like, very.

[Aaron Caro]

No, not on the spectrum of men.

[Matt Ritter]

On the spectrum, it's. It's a sliding scale. There's like, women, all women on the planet. And then, like, behind them, had some therapy. Still can't communicate as well as deranged woman on the planet. But so we. I don't even think, like, I don't do that. I don't know if Kara does that, but that's like, oh, man, we could really learn, you know, because we do talk about on the pod, like, what do women do better in friendship? Or what are things we could pick up from them? And I think that thing of, like, oh, this is what I want to get out of this conversation. I don't think men do that enough. Like, when they get into, hey, I'm going to try to clear the air. I don't think they have a clear game plan and, like, have prepped it.

[Delaney Buffett]

But I think even that has a sliding scale because sometimes I can feel myself making it overly, overly complicated. Like, I think everything should be thought through. And I like knowing, you know, where I'm going in a conversation, especially if it's something that, you know, we're confronting, like, one specific thing. But I do sometimes envy guys ability to keep it kind of simple. I mean, not this, but you know how they always say, like, younger guys, like, you fight and then you're completely over it versus girls will be like emotional takedown over the next decade. It's like where we could maybe meet somewhere in the middle and, you know, just hash it out. Simply.

[Matt Ritter]

We actually say on, men don't have falling outs, they just have falling offs.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, true.

[Matt Ritter]

We don't even have these, like, blowout. We don't even have that. We just stop talking to each other. Right, Whatever. But then, yeah, we can bring it back in, like one beer hang, right?

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Delaney Buffett]

We don't have that.

[Katie Corwin]

We don't.

[Aaron Caro]

Delaney, you had mentioned a therapy. So, like, Matt. Matt was in therapy and he was doing really well. And I said, okay, I'm going to start doing therapy.

[Delaney Buffett]

So.

[Aaron Caro]

So then we're. We were both in therapy, and then we both stopped going to therapy, but neither of us told the other. And then, like, on the pot, I'm like, dude, I gotta tell you something. I broke up my therapist. He goes, me too. So we've both been going bareback for about nine months now. Not good.

[Matt Ritter]

Mixed results, fixed. Mixed results.

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah.

[Aaron Caro]

My. My therapist famously was very strange. She was always telling me about her other patients.

[Katie Corwin]

I had that one, the number one rule.

[Aaron Caro]

And she. She said to me once, she goes, aaron, you're such a good listener.

[Katie Corwin]

That is so insane.

[Delaney Buffett]

Did you send her an invoice?

[Aaron Caro]

One time. She was going on and on. I swear to God. I said. I said, joan, we're out of time.

[Matt Ritter]

She told him no. She told him his problem was his friend group.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah, she said. She said, you've been friends with these guys too long. They're holding you back. I go, she's like, it should just.

[Delaney Buffett]

Be you and me.

[Aaron Caro]

We got a good thing going.

[Delaney Buffett]

I do think it's okay to dip your toe in and out of therapy. Because nothing kills me more than when I go to therapy and it's like, what should we talk about today? And I'm like, I think they're going pretty well. Like you see severance. I'm like, what am I doing here?

[Matt Ritter]

Well, Carol and I talk about this like we're doing bit when I'm doing bits in therapy. I know it's like I'm.

[Katie Corwin]

Yes, that's. That's actually very true. Where I'm like, can I just write something about you? I'm like, so basically the scene is. And she's like, I think that's interesting. I think that's funny. I'm like, okay, great. Anyway, should we talk about why I just did that?

[Matt Ritter]

Also my therapist also like my therapist and my wife's therapist were friends and like former actresses and like you know, it's very like only in Hollywood, you know, your therapist. Oh, you therapist can give you good notes on a scene, you know.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, that's therapy to self tape.

[Delaney Buffett]

It would actually be a really good idea if she had a little self tape studio in her office.

[Aaron Caro]

The lighting good, good backdrop really good.

[Matt Ritter]

This is a business idea.

[Katie Corwin]

Kill it out here.

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah, therapy, that's not bad.

[Katie Corwin]

No, it's good.

[Delaney Buffett]

You bring everything up to the surface and go. It'd be amazing.

[Aaron Caro]

Emotions and auditions.

[Katie Corwin]

That's.

[Aaron Caro]

I'm curious, Katie, do you ever set Delaney up? What's that relationship like?

[Delaney Buffett]

Like on dates, you mean?

[Aaron Caro]

Yeah.

[Katie Corwin]

No.

[Aaron Caro]

Set her up to fail.

[Delaney Buffett]

I didn't know you have 15 or like a joke. Like I was like, I guess sometimes I haven't. I've probably set up. I've tried to set up maybe three people in my entire life. Whatever impulse, whatever wiring you need to be successful of that I do not have. I. They've all been basically gigantic failures. And Delaney set me up once after I was newly single. I've a long term relationship and I gotta say I was a little insulted with how viewed me. I literally couldn't believe to be clear.

[Katie Corwin]

To be clear, I said this guy's very fun. This is a very easy first date. It's not gonna be one of those like awkward situations. And we're still talking about it today, so you must have had a good time. That was like 10 years ago.

[Delaney Buffett]

Easy, stress, sweat, it doesn't matter. The point is she tried it once, I've tried it once. I. I haven't tried it, but I don't think it would be good.

[Katie Corwin]

What Katie likes to do is when she's over here, she stays with me. When she comes to la is we'll be sitting on the couch watching tv and I'll be like, where's my phone? And I'll be Like, she was on it. He's on dating apps having conversations with people. Has not asked me. And it's like, it's like, oh, my.

[Delaney Buffett]

God, Michael just said the funniest thing.

[Katie Corwin]

And like she starts conversations. And I think a guy dated like two years, like, the reason we started talking is because she was like, this guy I like. She starts messaging him. I'm like, but, but it's you. It's not me. I don't have these quips. Like, I don't talk like this. I'm not like back and forth quip. I've never been that way. And so all these guys are like, also, that's definitely not how you date on him. She's going, and she's like writing these very obscure jokes. I'm like, we're in la.

[Delaney Buffett]

No, I want that. I think that works. I think you can't hit someone with a hey.

[Katie Corwin]

Oh, yes, you can.

[Delaney Buffett]

How many hey, stupid.

[Katie Corwin]

She's been something for 10 years.

[Delaney Buffett]

I think that's wrong. You got to fish with dynamite. You just can confuse them, make them be like, what? And you're like, now you say, hey.

[Matt Ritter]

Kira, what do you think? I never dated in the app era. I met my wife in the pre.

[Aaron Caro]

Oh, congratulations, Matt.

[Delaney Buffett]

Everyone loves.

[Aaron Caro]

Oh my God. Horrible. I can't understand it. Blah, blah, blah. Back in the early odds. Oh, man.

[Matt Ritter]

Next topic. So I've also tried to say K off. He hates it. But I agree that nothing tells you how. How your friend really thinks of you than who the trying to set you up with.

[Delaney Buffett]

I totally agree.

[Katie Corwin]

And you should see Katie's scale. The older I get, the more she's like, this guy's not so bad. Let's go with him. I'm like, okay, you were sky high. Yeah. Now it's kind of like, same with my mom. I'm like, great.

[Delaney Buffett]

Do you.

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[Delaney Buffett]

What do you think about the theory that hitting someone up with a hey or even just using this for dating.

[Katie Corwin]

Advice on hinge for your friends?

[Delaney Buffett]

I just really think just getting other people's opinions. I think you have to stand out a little bit. Not so much. Not like a. What's your favorite breakfast cereal? Something that's clearly a copy and paste. I think you go something specific to them and a little unusual.

[Matt Ritter]

Garo uses ChatGPT says come up with some quirky.

[Aaron Caro]

No, I have a picture of me officiating for weddings. Depends. Because I don't know. I only see my. I only. I'm only talking to women on the app, so I don't know what guys, right, are like. I mean, I once had a stand up bit that, like, dating apps should be asynchronous so that women are seeing, like essays that the men write, like eharmony, but the men only see photos. Like, you think that any man is looking at a caption going, oh, she likes tacos. She must be cool.

[Delaney Buffett]

It's really funny.

[Aaron Caro]

Like, I don't. I skip over the text. Like, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

[Delaney Buffett]

I literally don't care.

[Katie Corwin]

Katie, there you go. There's your answer that I've been trying to tell we.

[Delaney Buffett]

We had a theory and I think you're proving it that, like, all this stuff that we're putting into responses.

[Katie Corwin]

We did two types of responses on a very long Sunday.

[Aaron Caro]

Testing. Wow. Okay.

[Delaney Buffett]

I don't think guys like funny. I think you're better off being like, I love dogs. I think.

[Matt Ritter]

So you did the AP test, you did the AB test. And it was one was like a really quirky, I'm fun, I'm funny. And the other was like.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, let me tell you, we did not like.

[Delaney Buffett]

You know, I think you know how it went.

[Katie Corwin]

Seems like you know how it went.

[Matt Ritter]

I buy it, I buy it.

[Aaron Caro]

I buy that it matters. It only met, like, you know that, like, SNL sketch Tom Brady was hosting and they were doing like a sexual harassment seminar, and the one. The one guy did, it was sexual harassment. When Tom Brady did it, it was fine. I mean, it just matters if you're. If you're messaging with a girl and you're into her and she says something funny or whatever, you're like, oh, my God, she's brilliant. You know, like, if she says, hey, you're like, wow, she's so soft spoken. She's so like, woman.

[Matt Ritter]

God.

[Katie Corwin]

She's not encouraging. Now I'm just gonna go right.

[Aaron Caro]

Yes, yes. Machine gun strategy. Nothing matters. We're all gonna die. That's fine.

[Matt Ritter]

Amazing.

[Aaron Caro]

Wow. Okay, I'm exhausted. What else about the movie do you. Do you want people to know about or, you know, like, is. Is it. By the way, I called it, like sort of like a buddy. Almost like a buddy rom com, because it's sort of both. Like they're in love with each other as friends and, you know. I don't know. Is that how you would refer to it?

[Katie Corwin]

Yes. Also, sorry, my roommate, who is also our friend from high school, sometimes just walks out with like TikToks playing and didn't know I was on the phone. So I'm sorry if that did that.

[Aaron Caro]

Gotta Go on. Gotta go in the garbage.

[Katie Corwin]

So we have to start over.

[Delaney Buffett]

I do think that's right. I think we'd call it like a platonic comedy as opposed to romantic, like.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, I think. And by the way, we always, like, we've talked this before, but we didn't intend for it to be like, you know, leaning towards romantic comedy. We wrote it. It was just like a hard comedy on the page. But then when we. And I'm, you know, when we got on set and started like reading a lot of things to each other, you know, we're not very effusive and our everyday friendship of, like, how much we mean to each other and how much we love each other. And I think just making this movie and also, like saying these things out loud like, oh, this is pretty emotional. And it kind of turned more into a lot more heart woven and with the humor. So, like in the edit, that kind of came together because we did not intend for that. And I think we both, like, got pretty emotional. We weren't like, wow, that was so emotional. But I think we got kind of quietly emotional. And then we'd be like, cut. And we'd have to like, go try to do everything else we were doing. But I think that kind of snuck up on us in a really great way. And I was super happy with. With what we had in the edit. But again, it was, you know, amazing to be able to do this with my best friend. I don't think I. And I'm not just saying this to be corny. I don't think I could have done it without her or without our producer Marie, who's also one of our very close friends. Because to have confidants while doing something this difficult and also being able to laugh about it and joke and not have to be so polished and formal and how we approach it was like life saving. Because you, you know, I think when you're doing a lot of this, you run the risk of taking yourself too seriously, which I've never liked to do. And to have your friends being like, kind of poking fun at you the entire time and also supporting you simultaneously is just a gift while making a movie.

[Matt Ritter]

By the way, I called it a love letter to friendship this morning. When. Before you guys got on. That's what I feel is.

[Katie Corwin]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Aaron Caro]

So as we wrap up here, I wonder if you guys want to take part. We've never done this before, but we're going to do our little end closing and then Matt and I tell each other that we love each other. So if you guys want to tell each other that you love each other, maybe that would be a nice ending that we've never done before.

[Matt Ritter]

Yeah. Or you can say love us. I mean, they can love us.

[Aaron Caro]

You said you're Catholic.

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah, I don't say that kind of thing out loud, but I can give it a whirl.

[Katie Corwin]

And I'm very emotionally repressed, so I don't know if I can give it a whirl either.

[Delaney Buffett]

She's basically Catholic.

[Katie Corwin]

I'm a wasp. I'm a WASP at heart. Okay, I can start.

[Aaron Caro]

We should.

[Katie Corwin]

We should give you crazy.

[Aaron Caro]

Just some advice before we get to that. We're encouraging our guy listeners to tell your guy friends that. That they love them. And oftentimes guys are reluctant to do that. Matt never said he loved me. So we say start with thank you. You know, thank you for being a good friend. Thank you for the ride. Thank you for the beer. We say thanks as a gateway emotion. Helps you, like, work your way up to I love you.

[Katie Corwin]

We should already be there.

[Delaney Buffett]

Okay, well, we can offline about that.

[Matt Ritter]

Took me 40 years. It took me 40 years.

[Aaron Caro]

Do you really not tell that to each other?

[Delaney Buffett]

No. That's why the be so powerful, like, filming it. We were like, I guess y' all say my lines now. We don't really hug either.

[Aaron Caro]

What is it like to not be Jewish? It's so strange.

[Delaney Buffett]

You're like, we picked the wrong guess.

[Katie Corwin]

No, we. But, like, we. We. We're emotional people. We're very, like, I don't know, but. But I don't really. I don't hug my friends. I don't know. I hug my family. I'm very. But I've never.

[Delaney Buffett]

We don't do that.

[Aaron Caro]

Okay, well, we've got some work to do.

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah.

[Katie Corwin]

We're worse than all the men to come on the podcast.

[Delaney Buffett]

Yeah. You guys are like, damn.

[Katie Corwin]

We were expecting this to be easy. That's why we had you guys on.

[Delaney Buffett]

Because now I have something to talk about in therapy day. I won't. I won't be wasting a se.

[Aaron Caro]

Good.

[Matt Ritter]

This is good.

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Well, thank you guys so much. We really appreciate it. Guys, check out adult Best Friends available now on Max, the Lady and Katie. Thank you so very much. Always remember, be good to yourself. Be good to your friends. Hey, Matt. I love you, buddy.

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