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Episode 138: "Perplexity exits ads, Epsilon owns an SSP, and Paramount Looks at The Free Press"

Release Date: September 5, 2025
Host: Ari Paparo
Co-host: Eric Franchi

Episode Overview

This week’s Marketecture episode dives deep into three major stories shaping the ad tech, search, and media landscape:

1. The fallout and implications of the Google search antitrust remedies.
2. The revelation that Epsilon (owned by Publicis) operates an SSP—largely unknown to agency buyers until recent Adweek coverage.
3. Perplexity’s apparent de-prioritization of advertising and spotlight on the churning ad lead.

Additional rapid-fire segments cover OpenAI’s acquisition moves, the identity data sector, CTV development, and a rumored media acquisition of The Free Press by Paramount—offering a comprehensive cross-section of current industry news and analysis.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Google Search Antitrust Remedies: What Changes?

(01:23–08:41)

• Summary of Remedies:

  • No forced divestiture of Chrome or Android.
  • Ban on exclusive search distribution deals, but with significant loopholes (if Google is the default, practical effects are limited).
  • Mandated sharing of search data with competitors—but only to qualified entities and with many technical, privacy, and scope caveats.

• Hosts’ Take:

  • Ari Paparo: “If Google had 90% market share in search last week, they're probably gonna have 90% market share in search next week. And if AI was the biggest challenge to Google last week, it remains the biggest challenge to Google this week. Nothing changed.” (02:09)
  • Both hosts express skepticism that the data-sharing mandate will cause a real shift: “There are enough questions around what data should be and can be legally transferred...both of us are very skeptical it'll have any actual impact on reducing Google's power.” (04:21)

• On AI’s Role:

  • Recognize that the real threat to Google’s search dominance is not regulation, but AI-driven behavior change.
  • “The biggest story in search is not the antitrust, it's the potential competitor to Google search from AI and the change in consumer behavior.” (06:27—Ari Paparo)

2. Epsilon’s SSP Ownership & Industry Transparency

(09:32–15:48)

• Revelation:

  • Adweek reports that agency buyers were purchasing inventory through a Publicis/Epsilon-owned SSP via complicated reseller chains—often unknowingly.

• Hosts’ Reactions:

  • Eric Franchi: “First of all, this makes me laugh...Did you know that publicist via Epsilon had an ssp?” (09:58)
  • Ari Paparo:
    • “You have to remember that Publicis owns Epsilon...Then you have to remember that Epsilon bought Value Click. Then you have to remember the Value Click changed its name to Conversant...The hardest part is remembering that this SSP still operates because, like, no one remembers that.” (11:13)

• Why It Matters:

  • Buying through an SSP owned by a competitive agency group could expose sensitive spend data and strategic targeting information.
  • “Your competitors will know how much you're spending, what you're bidding on, what kind of sites you're bidding on.” (12:15—Ari Paparo)

• Industry Structure Critique:

  • “It's no one's fault but the publishers to be honest. Yeah, because basically they're working with too many SSPs. Duplication.” (15:49—Ari Paparo)

3. Perplexity Exits Ads (at Least for Now)

(15:58–18:27)

• News Angle: Adweek reveals Perplexity’s head of ads, Taz Patel, has exited after a year; ad revenue was extremely modest ($20,000 in Q4 per the article).

• Hosts’ Insights:

  • Eric Franchi: “Perplexity is a little perplexing...maybe advertising is just like yet another thing they're trying to figure out.” (17:04)
  • Ari Paparo: “The short answer in my opinion here without any data is that they invested in advertising too soon based on their volume...the play typically is scale, scale, scale and then advertising once you have the scale, especially when they're trying to reproduce the Google AdWords model.” (17:15)
  • Stability concerns flagged due to Perplexity’s wide-ranging and experimental business pursuits (from buying Chrome to launching a browser).

4. OpenAI Acquires Statsig: The Commercialization of AI

(18:30–21:20)

• Details:

  • OpenAI acquired Statsig, a website optimization and analytics company, for $1.1 billion—a major move in the AI/data optimization space.
  • Leadership and talent overlap between Facebook veterans and OpenAI.

• Implications:

  • “OpenAI has a lot more ammo in the effort to become the new ad hub than Perplexity does based on this acquisition.” (19:20—Ari Paparo)
  • Potential for OpenAI to power new kinds of website, ad, and data optimization.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “This is not a minor acquisition. This is a pretty important acquisition.” (21:20—Ari Paparo)

5. Superset Launches Symmetry: Agentic AI in Ad Tech

(21:35–23:43)

• What’s Happening:

  • Superset (Tom Chavez and the ex-Crux crew) incubates a new agentic AdTech AI startup, Symmetry (with two M’s).
  • Focus: optimization for LLMs, loyalty offers, publisher monetization.

• Industry Observation:

  • “It comes in waves...six months ago there was a ridiculous preponderance of AI companies doing creatives and creative generation and media planning. And now six months later, there's a ridiculous number of AI companies doing GEO, AIO and ad networks for LLMs.” (23:43—Ari Paparo)

6. CTV Milestones: Roku Overtakes Broadcast TV

(23:47–25:09)

• Stats:

  • Roku now accounts for 21.4% of all TV viewing (per Nielsen)—surpassing broadcast TV’s 18%.
  • Hosts clarify that this includes usage of all streaming services via Roku devices, not just Roku content.

• Commentary:

  • “YouTube gets to actually monetize every single ad on their monstrous footprint. Whereas Roku has kind of this somewhat complicated business model.” (24:39—Ari Paparo)

• NFL RedZone to Add Commercials:

  • Long-time “commercial-free” channel (RedZone) will begin featuring ads, causing subscriber uproar.
  • “People are going crazy. Do a search on X for NFL Red Zone commercials...people are going to storm NFL hq.” (25:02—Eric Franchi)
  • Supply benefit for advertisers, as more live streaming ad inventory comes online.

7. Ad Tech M&A in Europe: RocaD Acquires Ziotap Data

(27:32–29:16)

• Deal Overview:
  • Rokad acquires Ziotap’s data business, positioning themselves as the “LiveRamp of Europe.”
  • Ziotap to focus on its CDP business, will be a customer of Rokad Data.
  • Brief discussion of naming confusion (Rokad vs. Roccat), and Rokad’s role as more of an aggregator/avatar of IDs.

8. Paramount Eyes The Free Press Acquisition

(29:32–32:29)

• Deal Rumor:

  • Paramount reportedly considering buying Bari Weiss’s news platform, The Free Press, for $200 million.
  • Context: Shift in Paramount’s ownership, potential ideological alignment, and value for CBS News under new stewardship.

• Takeaway:

  • “$200 million for a news, basically a newsletter and podcast business is, is pretty healthy.” (31:43—Eric Franchi)
  • Conversation segues into podcasting business valuations with tongue-in-cheek ambition for Marketecture.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ari Paparo (02:09):
  “If Google had 90% market share in search last week, they're probably gonna have 90% market share in search next week. And if AI was the biggest challenge to Google last week, it remains the biggest challenge to Google this week. Nothing changed.”

• Eric Franchi (09:56):
  "First of all, this makes me laugh...Did you know that publicist via Epsilon had an ssp?"

• Ari Paparo (11:13):
  “You have to...remember that Epsilon bought Value Click. Then you have to remember the Value Click changed its name to Conversant...The hardest part is remembering that this SSP still operates because, like, no one remembers that.”

• Ari Paparo (15:49):
  "It's no one's fault but the publishers to be honest. Yeah, because basically they're working with too many SSPs. Duplication."

• Eric Franchi (17:04):
  "Perplexity is a little perplexing...maybe advertising is just like yet another thing they're trying to figure out."

• Ari Paparo (17:15):
  "The play typically is scale, scale, scale and then advertising once you have the scale..."

• Ari Paparo (19:20):
  "OpenAI has a lot more ammo in the effort to become the new ad hub than Perplexity does based on this acquisition."

• Eric Franchi (25:02):
  "People are going crazy. Do a search on X for NFL Red Zone commercials...people are going to storm NFL hq."

• Eric Franchi (31:43):
  "$200 million for a news, basically a newsletter and podcast business is, is pretty healthy."

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start–End |
|------------------------------------------------------|----------------|
| Google Search Antitrust Remedies | 01:23–08:41 |
| Epsilon’s SSP & Industry Transparency | 09:32–15:48 |
| Perplexity Exits Ads | 15:58–18:27 |
| OpenAI’s Statsig Acquisition | 18:30–21:20 |
| Superset Launches Symmetry | 21:35–23:43 |
| CTV: Roku & NFL RedZone | 23:47–26:32 |
| Rokad Acquires Ziotap Data | 27:32–29:16 |
| Paramount & The Free Press | 29:32–32:29 |

Tone & Style

The episode is fast-paced, conversational, and laced with industry in-jokes and wry humor. Ari and Eric balance technical detail with accessible explanations—often stepping back to explain acronyms, context, or industry structure for wider listeners.

Conclusion

• Major regulatory actions, convoluted supply chains, and experimental AI ventures continue to reshape the advertising, media, and tech industries.
• The hosts agreed: Real market shifts are driven more by emergent technology (AI, CTV) and business innovation than regulatory changes.
• Industry connections, transparency, and adaptability are as important as ever as new players jockey for position (and as legacy players continue to surprise).

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