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Marketing Beyond with Alan B. Hart
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Join Alan B. Hart as he dives into conversations with the world's leading chief marketing officers and business innovators. Tune in to get inspired by the stories and experiences of marketing visionaries—and stay ahead of the curve.
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46: How Salesforce powers AI-enabled marketing: Insights from Salesforce Chief Customer Officer for Agentforce Marketing Kevin Siminski
5d ago00:29:01Summary readyWhat if the biggest shift in marketing isn't about chasing the next AI tool, but about making the systems and data that marketers already use work together more intelligently? This episode takes a slightly different angle on marketing transformation. Instead of talking with a brand marketer about how their team utilizes AI, we hear from Salesforce's Chief Customer Officer for Agentforce Marketing Kevin Siminski about how the technology provider is working to reduce complexity, connect data and make AI more practical for everyday marketing work. Kevin starts by busting two myths that shape how many teams think about Salesforce: Marketing Cloud Engagement is not going away, and marketers do not have to face a challenging migration or choose between B2B and B2C capabilities to move forward. He explains how Salesforce is instead bringing those capabilities together in the same platform, so customers can adopt what they need without starting from scratch. Then Kevin discusses the data foundation underneath that experience—how a shared foundation can make agentic AI more useful in practice and enable organizations to customize how those tools work together. Kevin also explores how connectivity and AI can reshape marketers' day-to-day work. Rather than suggesting a vague transformation, he points to a more practical future: developing campaigns efficiently, streamlining delivery and giving teams more control over where human judgment still matters. In this episode, you'll hear about: The top two myths about Salesforce marketing solutions, busted How Salesforce is bringing B2B and B2C capabilities together in the same platform Why a shared data foundation can make agentic AI more useful in marketing Ways AI could help automate campaign brief and orchestration tasks, shortening timelines without removing human judgment Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:30] The value of taking a gap year [04:05] Kevin's path back to Salesforce [05:35] Agentforce Marketing's impact [06:40] Driving product adoption in a changing world [09:10] Connecting MarTech platforms with strong data [11:50] Embracing the future of headless CMS [13:10] Combining AI agents into a "super agent" [15:30] The autopilot metaphor [18:10] Early career moments: Engineering in the telecom world [20:45] Advice to your younger self: Listen more intentionally [22:05] A topic you're trying to learn more about: Agentic AI's rapid growth [23:10] Latest curiosities: The evolution of the trades and hands-on work [26:25] Largest potential threat: Accelerating AI adoption without governance Resources mentioned: Salesforce Agentforce Marketing Salesforce Data 360 Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Kevin and Salesforce: Kevin on LinkedIn Salesforce on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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45: Scaling relevance: Insights from Visa Senior Vice President of Marketing, Kevin Skirde
2w ago00:47:12Summary readyMarketers are being pushed to do more than run campaigns. They are being asked to build relevance, personalize at scale and make every interaction feel more relevant to the individual. That shift requires a different kind of leadership, one grounded in adaptability and curiosity. In this episode, Visa Senior Vice President of Marketing Kevin Skirde reflects on a career shaped by experimentation. He said that taking roles he did not initially see himself in helped build a strong foundation for leadership, including learning how to be comfortable in the uncomfortable and turning complex information into clear strategy for executives. That mindset carries into how he thinks about teams. Skirde points to culture, high-performing teams and relationships as core drivers of effectiveness, saying strong outcomes depend not just on ideas but on the people and environment that bring them to life. On marketing and artificial intelligence (AI), Skirde says the technology can automate repetitive tasks and help smaller companies compete more effectively. At the same time, it raises the premium on human judgment, strategy and relevance. As marketing shifts toward more continuous, one-to-one journeys, the real advantage comes from understanding what matters to each individual, and creating connections that feel personal rather than interruptive. In this episode, you'll hear about how: The strongest marketing feels personal, relevant and built around real consumer interests Complexity becomes an advantage when teams simplify it into clear, actionable value AI is raising the premium on human judgment and leaders who can build effective strategies, shifting from execution to direction and better outcomes Key highlights: [01:15] Introduction and a fear of flying [05:11] Kevin Skirde's path to Visa [05:45] Learning through career experiments [06:45] American Express lessons: Precision, loyalty and operating mindset [07:35] Startup lessons [08:20] Leadership, culture and high-performing teams [18:00] Making sense of marketing complexity [23:05] From interruption to relevance [26:25] An experience that defines you: Missing one path and finding the right one [31:05] Advice to your younger self: Have fun, be patient, keep learning [32:35 A topic you're trying to learn more about: Retirement and purpose [35:45] Latest curiosities: The future workforce for the next generation [41:50] Largest opportunity or threat: AI and the rising value of human judgment Resources mentioned: Visa Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Laura and GM: Kevin Skirde on LinkedIn Visa on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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RERELEASE: Bridging the gap between marketers and consumers: Insights from Gayle Troberman, executive advisor at iHeartMedia
3w ago00:36:33Summary readyRERELEASE: From the archives — originally released in July 2025. Are your ads landing with consumers? According to iHeartMedia's "The New American Consumer 2.0" study, 44% of Americans feel ignored by most advertisers. In today's episode, Alan chats with Gayle Troberman, executive advisor at iHeartMedia, about bridging the gap between marketers and consumers, and the marketing principles that stay consistent despite technological advancements. Gayle emphasizes the importance of balancing new technology with classic marketing approaches and cautions against neglecting potential customers by focusing too narrowly on the target audience. She highlights the power of evoking memories in advertising, primarily through audio, with examples of iconic jingles. She also describes why radio and podcasting are effective tools for mass reach and emotional engagement. Gayle Troberman is a highly respected marketing industry veteran. She spent 16 years as chief creative officer at Microsoft, then as chief marketing and ideas officer at IPG Mediabrands. She then became chief marketing officer at iHeartMedia for over a decade before moving into her current role as executive advisor. Today, Gayle works across all iHeartMedia businesses to help them connect with consumers in a deeper, more meaningful way. Her "human first, outcome second" approach to life and marketing has kept her consistently in tune with consumers throughout her career. In this episode, you'll hear about: The inspiration behind "The New American Consumer 2.0" study and insights from the research How marketers can better understand their audience Approaches to using AI and targeting to add value from a consumer perspective Key highlights: [00:00] Rerelease note [00:20] Introduction [01:50] A "muppalucky" life [02:55] Gayle's career path [05:55] The secret to a long CMO tenure [07:50] Enduring truths in marketing [13:45] "The New American Consumer Report 2.0" [18:30] How marketers can reconnect with everyday consumers [22:45] Who has influence? [24:20] Using AI in a mindful way [28:35] An experience that defines you: Developing a human-first philosophy [31:35] Advice to your younger self: A little more patience and empathy [33:05] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Balancing the new with the classics [34:20] Subcultures and trends to follow: Young people taking strong stances [35:40] Largest opportunity and threat to marketers today: Fake performance indicators Resources mentioned: Gayle Troberman iHeartMedia The New American Consumer 2.0 study Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Gayle Troberman and iHeartMedia: Gayle Troberman on LinkedIn iHeartMedia on LinkedIn iHeartMedia on Instagram iHeartMedia on YouTube Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Deloitte Digital on Instagram Deloitte Digital on YouTube Deloitte Digital on Threads
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44: Creating with sales, not for sales: Insights from Vanguard Head of Sales Channel Marketing John Howie
4w ago00:27:42Summary readyWhat strategies is Vanguard using to help marketing and sales stay aligned while keeping the client at the center? In this episode, Vanguard's John Howie, head of sales channel marketing for the financial advisor services division, reflects on his move from sales into marketing. He discusses how marketing leaders can drive stronger results by grounding solutions in each client's selling realities and building a shared understanding with sales, not just for sales. John describes how his team uses direct input from sales leaders to shape marketing efforts around real selling conditions, and emphasizes that effective internal change efforts need both rational support and human buy-in. When it comes to AI, John advocates using it to guide strategy, rather than to fully design or replace the strategy itself. He warns that leaders should not let the push for speed and productivity crowd out creativity, judgment, and the distinctly human work of storytelling and problem solving. This episode offers a practical point of view to help today's marketers keep the client at the center, use data and frontline insights together, and treat this moment of transformation as a chance to improve not only the way teams work, but the overall quality of work. In this episode, you'll hear: How building marketing and sales around the same customer reality can improve results Tips for connecting a strong business case with talent buy-in for lasting change Practical ways leaders can deploy AI to give teams more time for creativity and problem solving Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:00] Skydiving experiences [02:30] John's path to Vanguard [05:20] How marketing can find common ground with sales [07:55] Adjusting for changing selling realities [09:45] Centering customer and client perspectives [11:45] Transforming an organization from the inside out [13:50] AI's impact on the change management process [16:20] Internal marketing use cases with AI [18:45] An experience that defines you: Major life changes coinciding with career launch [20:35] Advice to your younger self: Your performance rating is not your identity [22:30] A topic you're trying to learn more about: AI's evolving role in daily life [23:30] Largest potential threat: Rapidly implementing AI without a clear strategy [25:30] What you would have an LLM do for you: Give me more time with family Resources mentioned: Vanguard Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with John and Vanguard: John on LinkedIn Vanguard on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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43: How experimentation can fuel marketing effectiveness: Insights from General Motors Executive Director of Marketing and Consumer Engagement Laura Thornton
Jun 1700:22:35Summary readyAt General Motors, modernizing marketing means more than just adopting new tools—it requires thoughtful experimentation and sound human judgment to apply AI and other innovations while protecting the customer experience. In this episode, Laura Thornton shares how General Motors (GM) approaches this balance through two parallel efforts: marketing technology modernization and Project Leapfrog, a pilot program where teams can test low-risk ideas outside the core operating model. She explains how this approach helps her team experiment with new AI tools to quickly solve problems and expedite workflows. Laura encourages marketing leaders to create room for testing, give teams permission to fail, build confidence through hands-on use of new tools while avoiding changing too much too fast. Laura also discusses a real leadership challenge for marketing and consumer engagement leaders: not only adopting AI, but helping employees throughout the enterprise adapt while keeping human judgment and customer connection at the center. "Taking risks is something that can feel very daunting, and as marketers, we have to be open to trying and testing new things. So that has to be fundamental." - Laura Thornton In this episode, you'll hear about: AI adoption approaches that can bring change without putting core work at risk Experimentation insights that can help teams unlock better ideas, accelerate learning and improve adoption Leadership tips for fostering AI-driven change with humans-in-the-loop Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:20] An auto industry family legacy [01:55] Laura's GM path: From account coordinator to executive director [03:25] Perspectives from the agency side vs. client side [04:15] Taking customer journeys from insights to action [05:10] Embracing MarTech transformation [06:25] Introducing Project Leapfrog [07:25] AI pilot experimentation [10:25] Integrating AI with the human workforce [11:45] Lessons for future transformations [13:00] An experience that defines you: Trusting the process through career pivots [14:15] Advice to your younger self: Find your voice early to grow confidence [15:10] A topic you're trying to learn more about: Change management [17:00] Latest curiosities: Analog, in-person experiences [18:45] Largest potential threat: Pressure to change too rapidly without a strategy Resources mentioned: General Motors Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Laura and GM: Laura on LinkedIn General Motors on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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42: How Adobe is embracing the future of creative work: Insights from Adobe Chief Content and Creative Officer Stacy Martinet
Jun 1000:20:02Summary readyWhat could marketing teams accomplish if they spent less time chasing inputs and more time shaping ideas? In this episode, Stacy Martinet, chief content and creative officer at Adobe, shares her perspective on one of the near-term opportunities for marketing leaders: using AI to reduce workflow grind. She highlights how processes that once took weeks—such as brief creation—can now take minutes, giving teams more time to focus on concepts, production and cultural relevance. Drawing on her experience across media, communications and brand leadership, Stacy suggests that even as AI tools and processes evolve, craft and specialist roles remain essential. Stacy also discusses creator collaborations, which she believes work well when brands give creators room to do what they do best, rather than over-engineering the outcome. Authentic creator-driven content can help unlock a meaningful audience connection that brands cannot easily create on their own. The key is creative leaders nurturing a culture of experimentation by reducing fear of trying something new and building AI fluency that enables brand growth. In this episode, you'll hear about: How creative teams can harness AI technology to drive results and increase focus on the big picture Why brands should approach the creator economy as a valuable collaboration opportunity to reach more customers Practical ways creative leaders can encourage technology experimentation and help teams adapt to change Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:05] Inspiration from everyday interactions [02:20] Stacy's path to Adobe [06:00] The role of creators in brand marketing [07:15] How Adobe Firefly spotlights creators [09:05] The origins of the creator economy [10:20] Embracing the agentic AI era [11:20] Streamlining the creative brief [14:20] Early career inspiration: Role models [15:30] Advice to your younger self: No lesson too small [15:55] A topic you're trying to learn more about: Ancestry and Italian cooking [16:30] Latest curiosities: Communicating change to prepare for the future [17:00] Largest potential threat: Brands not keeping up with AI's rapid growth Resources mentioned: Adobe Adobe Firefly Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Stacy and Adobe: Stacy on LinkedIn Adobe on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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41: Turning brand awareness into loyalty: Insights from Herbalife CMO Hanan Wajih
May 2700:20:26Summary readyHow can marketing help turn brand recognition into meaningful connections? In today's episode, Alan Hart speaks with Herbalife CMO Hanan Wajih about how she views marketing's role in helping lead enterprise transformation by strengthening the brand, sharpening the company's storytelling, and equipping distributors with better tools and content to better support customers. Hanan explains that Herbalife's current opportunity is not awareness, but familiarity, because many people know the name without fully understanding the company's purpose, product quality, innovation, scale or distributor model. She points to the company's broad reach—from nutrition clubs and distributors to sports partnerships and product innovation—and explains why that scale makes clear, consistent storytelling and increasingly personalized engagement more important than ever. For marketing leaders, her comments suggest three practical priorities: continue investing in brand building as a long-term driver of trust and loyalty, use technology to make content and engagement more relevant at scale, and help teams build the skills needed to lead through ongoing change. Hanan also shares her perspective that, as AI reshapes marketing, authenticity, strong values and the willingness to challenge old ways of working are likely to matter just as much as new tools. In this episode, you'll learn: Why awareness may not be enough to build deeper trust, loyalty and long-term growth How marketing can help support transformation through better tools, clearer stories and stronger alignment The importance of balancing innovation with trust and credibility Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:20] A moment in Maui [03:00] Hanan's path to Herbalife [06:55] The scope of her role [07:30] The mission of Herbalife [10:00] Herbalife's enterprise transformation [12:10] Marketing's role in the transformation journey [15:00] An experience that defines you: A multicultural upbringing [16:20] Advice to your younger self: Trust yourself sooner [16:45] What are you curious about: Leadership in the AI era [17:25] What are you trying to learn more about: Generation Alpha and Beta [18:05] Largest opportunity and threat to marketers today: Authenticity [18:30] What would you want an AI agent or an LLM to do for you: Quantify the impact of brand marketing Resources mentioned: Herbalife Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Hanan Wajih and Herbalife Hanan Wajih on LinkedIn Herbalife on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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40: Preparing marketing data for AI: Insights from jeweler David Yurman's global head of CRM, data, customer experience and loyalty, Neha Kovach
May 1300:24:58Summary readyWhat does "AI-ready data" look like in a modern marketing organization, and where can it create practical value for marketers? In today's episode Alan Hart talks with Neha Kovach about the practical work marketers may need to consider before AI can deliver real value. Neha is jeweler David Yurman's global head of customer resource management, data, customer experience and loyalty. Neha believes that getting data ready is less about volume, more about structure and context: cleaning it up, defining customers more clearly, and turning general customer data into signals that can guide action—like how recently someone purchased or how close they are to a milestone. She suggests the bigger opportunity for AI may not be routine service, but rather helping marketers improve conversion, retention, and personalization with more relevant timing and messaging. She also points to a separate operational benefit: increasing workforce capacity by helping teams work more efficiently. Looking ahead, she also explores what it might take for brands to compete in a world where AI agents may increasingly shape what customers see, consider and buy. In this episode, you'll hear about: Ways to think about creating a stronger data foundation to prepare for AI more effectively Where AI may offer practical support across customer engagement, team capacity and decision-making Why understanding customer intent may become increasingly important as marketing continues to evolve Key Highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:15] Moving to the United States [02:05] Neha's path to David Yurman [04:25] What is David Yurman? [05:20] Preparing data for AI [07:55] Bringing agents into the mix [11:20] Specific agentic use cases [13:20] Customer experience in an agentic-enabled world [14:30] An experience that defines you: Losing her mother and becoming one herself [17:35] Advice to your younger self: Be gentle to yourself [18:50] A topic marketers need to learn more about: Neuroplasticity and quantum physics [20:45] Largest opportunity and threat to marketers today: Customer attention span Resources mentioned: David Yurman Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Neha Kovach and David Yurman Neha Kovach on LinkedIn David Yurman on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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39: How sales and marketing can grow together: Insights from Braze Chief Revenue Officer Ed McDonnell
May 600:39:17Summary readyWhat can stronger sales and marketing alignment look like in practice? In today's episode, Alan Hart talks with Braze Chief Revenue Officer Ed McDonnell about building a career by chasing experiences and skills instead of titles; why strong sales and marketing partnerships start with shared ownership of the customer journey, and how marketers can stay close enough to customers to understand where performance is really breaking down. Drawing on leadership experience across high-growth software, Ed explains why alignment can improve when teams focus less on funnel labels and more on the full customer journey, from awareness to renewal and advocacy. He also talks about the role of data, regular review cadences and honest conversations about where pipeline performance is falling short. Ed shares how Braze is using AI to support decision-making, campaign execution and marketer workflows, and why he believes AI will make shopping more curated, conversational and immediate. For marketers, his message is clear: Better tools matter but staying close to customers and evolving as quickly as they do matters more. In this episode, you'll learn: Why growth can happen faster when sales and marketing stay focused on the customer What leaders can do to spot weak points early and keep teams moving together Where AI can help make customer experiences more relevant and responsive Key highlights: [00:00] Introduction [01:00] Inside fantasy baseball [03:30] Ed's path to Braze [09:15] Where Braze is today [11:10] Bringing sales and marketing together [15:30] Tips for creating a better customer experience [16:45] Building internal trust [19:30] The impact of AI [23:20] An experience that defines you: Family ties and a health scare [26:30] Advice to your younger self: Chase experiences and skills, not titles [28:50] A topic marketers need to learn more about: AI applications for go to market [30:50] What are you interested in right now: Fantasy books and golf [32:30] Largest opportunity or potential threat to marketers today: Themselves Resources mentioned: Braze Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Ed McDonnell and Braze Ed McDonnell on LinkedIn Braze on LinkedIn Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Connect with Alan Hart on X Connect with Alan Hart on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Connect with Deloitte Digital on Instagram Connect with Deloitte Digital on YouTube Connect with Deloitte Digital on Threads
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Rerelease: Unleashing growth with the 'yes, and' strategy with PNC Bank CMO, Jenn Garbach
Apr 100:33:58Summary readyFrom the archives - orginally released March 2025 Episode Description Jenn Garbach is the chief marketing officer at PNC Bank, where she leads a team of approximately 200 marketing professionals. Her team focuses on brand and line-of-business marketing, paid and social media, direct marketing, and digital marketing strategies. She also helps oversee the bank's relationship with Arnold Worldwide, PNC's integrated marketing and advertising agency of record. With over 20 years of experience in financial and professional services, Jenn has worked across marketing, product management, strategy, technology, and customer experience. She began her career at Deloitte Consulting, and before joining PNC in June 2023, she held leadership roles at PayPal, Capital One, and Thomson Reuters. On today's show, Alan and Jenn discuss her career journey, her initial goals upon joining PNC and the complexities of launching a new brand for a 160-year-old organization. They explore how marketing, often seen as "just pretty pictures," is actually a key growth driver, a concept they refer to as "The Big M." Jenn also breaks down the fundamental premise and strength of the "Yes, And" model and how it fuels innovation and collaboration. Looking ahead, they discuss AI preparedness and its impact on marketing. Key quotes: "You can't just go out with a really funny, creative ad campaign and hope that it's going to do the job. You have to live your brand every single day—and the products, services, experiences we are bringing to market." - Jenn Garbach, CMO at PNC Bank In this episode, you'll learn: Strategies to gain a competitive edge Tips to enhance your marketing efforts using data-driven techniques How to transform your team into powerful change agents Key highlights: [01:53] Jenn's first job as a cart pusher [03:25] Jenn's career path [06:45] Initial goal when joining PNC [07:32] What is involved in launching a new brand [09:10] "Brilliantly Boring" tagline [13:20] Where does marketing go at PNC now? [16:05] How people become a great change agent [21:35] An experience from your past that defines you: studying abroad. [24:20] Advice to your younger self [25:30] A topic that you and other marketers need to learn more about: AI preparedness [28:35] Trends or subcultures others should follow: Super Bowl [30:50] Largest opportunity or threat to marketers today: pace of change Resources mentioned: Jenn Garbach PNC Financial Brilliantly Boring at PNC Boring is Essential (Launch Video) Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Jenn Garbach and PNC Bank: Jenn Garbach on LinkedIn PNC Bank on X PNC Bank on Instagram Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Alan on X Alan on LinkedIn Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Deloitte Digital on Instagram Deloitte Digital on YouTube Deloitte Digital on Threads
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