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David Brancaccio
Financial markets are calm because of or despite the Venezuela story. I'm David Brancaccio in Los Angeles. Oil markets and financial markets seem to be shrugging off the major geopolitical story out of the weekend, the one with caracas and Washington, D.C. in the headlines. Let's go right to economist Julia Coronado, founder of Macro Policy Perspectives. Good morning, Julia.
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Good morning.
David Brancaccio
First of all, Venezuela. I'm looking at the VIX index of stock market volatility early today. It's hardly up. Crude oil traded in New York was low before the US Took Venezuela's leader out of Venezuela to detention in Brooklyn. The oil price is back to that same low as before. It's essentially unchanged. What do you make of this?
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Right there's I think that probably investors are looking at the situation and not seeing a dramatic change in the state of affairs that could alter global markets in a major way.
David Brancaccio
They don't see a major change. I mean, the leader has been swapped in the biggest oil producer in the.
Mint Mobile Advertiser / Julia Coronado
World, the leader has been swapped. The acting government is led by his vice president. The US Interests are obviously going to have a more important influence and the US doesn't want to see higher oil prices. So, you know, at least for now, it doesn't look like a major shift in the global economic order.
David Brancaccio
Other big stories on our calendar for this coming week economic data coming out at long last in some cases. We have some surveys of people who do ordering at factories. We have a November survey of job openings, the Jolts survey Help wanted ads. And there's something else.
Mint Mobile Advertiser / Julia Coronado
Oh, of course, we've got the December employment report on Friday that will be the star of the show. And economists are looking for pretty much the same picture we've had of a labor market that's struggling, not creating a lot of jobs, but also not deteriorating rapidly. So not a rapid rise in unemployment from where we are here.
David Brancaccio
And that will cover December's labor market. Economist Julia Coronado, Macro Policy Perspectives is also a professor at the University of Texas, Austin. Thank you very much.
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My pleasure.
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David Brancaccio
About a half hour to go before the opening bell on Wall street, the Dow futures are showing things. Little change, not changed at all. Flat NASDAQ Futures are up 0.7%. S&P futures at the moment up 0.3%. Oil is still cheap, 57.89, up 1%. The bond market has gone flat with the 10 year interest rate. Little change now at 4.19%. We heard from a macroeconomist just now. Now let's hear from a person closer to the buying and the selling on the Ben Kumar is head of equity strategy at Seven Investment Management in London. Good morning.
Ben Kumar
Good morning.
David Brancaccio
You are up to your elbows in markets over there. Investors are acting like what we call nbd. No big deal. Stock indicators are a bit higher. Some money is just slightly boosting the market for US Government bonds, but again, just slightly. I was looking at, Ben, the VIX index of stock market volatility over here, again a notch higher but still in the calm category. I have to say. What gives?
Ben Kumar
I mean, partly I wonder if this is just good learned behavior. You know, something happens over the weekend, usually from the White House and actually what makes most sense, whether it's Liberation Day tariffs, whether it's Iran, you know, is to wait and see what unfolds. So at the surface level, I think there are no big risk on or risk off movements. No one's saying this completely changes my view of the world.
David Brancaccio
Some US Based oil company stocks are up, including Chevron, where you see the most striking move, but Also Exxon and ConocoPhillips now, crude oil was cheap before news from Venezuela broke over the weekend. It's still pretty much just as cheap as we speak early today in US trading. Is it me or do you think, Ben, the global price of oil is less prone to the zigging and zagging in the same way that you're seeing stock and bond investors are less prone to, to moving quickly based on headlines?
Ben Kumar
I think that's part of it. You know, everyone's just more willing to let it play out or at least on the institutional side, there's probably some retail money moving around. The other thing, of course, and you know, I'm definitely not an oil expert, but is that Venezuela is not a huge swing producer of oil. 1% less than 1% of global crude oil. And any change in that oil production, it's not as if it's going to come on overnight. Again, not an expert, but it's not a case of you just stick a pump in the ground and get the stuff out. There's a lot of infrastructure that goes along with it. I think this is a much longer term deal when it comes to the oil market and when it comes to actual supply and demand.
David Brancaccio
Also over the weekend, OPEC left production plans essentially unchanged. And we also can't forget demand, global demand. It's not boom times for demand in oil.
Ben Kumar
There's definitely some of the alternatives are coming online. I would also say there's also almost a retrenchment to some of the old alternatives like coal, but things like uranium up more again today as well. What I suspect, or what I've firmly believed for the last two, three, four years now, is that I think actually supply chain resilience is going to become more and more important. And the Venezuela activity just is another example of that. You want to be in control of your own energy supplies, whether that's gas, whether that's coal, whether that's nutrient, nuclear, whether that's oil is going to be more important in the future than what happens potentially on a global perspective.
David Brancaccio
Ben Kumar is head of equity strategy at Seven Investment Management in London. Thank you so much.
Ben Kumar
Thank you very much.
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Episode Theme: How Markets Are Responding to Venezuela
This episode centers on the global financial markets' reaction—or lack thereof—to major political upheaval in Venezuela, where the country’s leader was taken to detention in Brooklyn and the vice president became acting head of government. Host David Brancaccio explores why oil and stock prices remain stable despite these headlines, featuring expert commentary from economist Julia Coronado and market strategist Ben Kumar. The episode also touches on upcoming U.S. economic data releases and briefly covers news about weight-loss drug pricing.
Calm Amidst News: Despite dramatic headlines regarding Venezuela’s leadership shakeup and U.S. involvement, volatility and crude oil prices are essentially flat.
Interpretation from Economics Perspective
Global Oil Market Structure
Learned Market Behavior:
OPEC Steady & Demand Weak
Rise of Alternatives & Supply Chain Focus
On Venezuela’s Limited Oil Impact:
On Markets’ Patience with Headlines:
On U.S. Labor Market:
Throughout the episode, both expert guests underline how markets have grown more measured in reacting to geopolitical turbulence, especially when the fundamentals—such as global oil supply and demand—are largely unchanged. The broader economic focus remains on steady, albeit slow, labor market progress in the U.S., while energy markets quietly signal a shift toward diversification and resilience.
Tone: Calm, analytical, and mildly conversational, with a focus on pragmatic market responses rather than alarm.
Useful for: Listeners seeking clarity on why dramatic geopolitical headlines don’t always roil financial markets, with actionable insights for both investors and broader economic observers.