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Chris Lowe
New feeble job data now, many will say the Fed should have lowered interest rates the other day. Fresh reports today show the job situation spring into mid summer was much weaker than we were told. Previous month's data has been revised sharply downward. We thought 125,000 more jobs were added in May. Wrong O It was just 19,000. We had been told 147,000 more people were on payrolls in June. The revised calculation is it was just 14,000. Today we're told there were 73,000 more jobs in July, less than expected. But might that get revised down? Chris Lowe is chief economist at FHN Financial.
It's one of those shocking revelations where it's rare, but it happens. The anecdotal data, the survey data, turned out to be more accurate than what we characterize as the real data. Companies have been saying for months they weren't hiring. Turns out they weren't lying.
And then in that unemployment number, you see a shrinkage of the workforce.
Yeah, I think really the most astonishing thing about the July numbers was that the ranks of the unemployed increased by a quarter of a million people despite the fact that the labor force, which is the total number of people who actually want to work, the labor force fell and still unemployment went up. It tells me that the economy is barely growing.
Market players are worried about a flagging economy now and higher tariffs. The dow is down 654 points, one and a half in early trading. The Nasdaq is down 2.2%. The bond market is way up given the weaker job market pulling the 10 year interest rate down to 4.25%. Now back to this new schedule of tariffs that start in a week or 35% tariffs for Canada starting today. Are those tariffs legal? Jess Bravin listened as the federal appeals court panel heard the arguments yesterday and he joins us now. Morning.
Jess Bravin
Good morning.
Chris Lowe
We learned in social studies class that Congress does the treaties, but the Trump strategy of bypassing Congress is derived from What a sense that the Trump people think they have an emergency on their hands.
Jess Bravin
Well, Congress did give the president certain emergency powers. The idea being that Congress can't anticipate every little thing that's going to happen in the world. So if the president identifies certain circumstances, he can declare an emergency and bypass some of the laws Congress has enacted. And that's what. But President Trump has discovered and used quite liberally.
Chris Lowe
Right. And small businesses suing, saying the tariffs hurt them. They question whether or not this is a legit emergency.
Jess Bravin
Yes, they do. And not just that. They say that even if it is an emergency, at least even if President Trump has validly declared the longtime problem of the trade imbalance as an emergency, tariffs they say Congress reserved for itself through other laws. And this is just a bridge too far in responding to any kind of foreign threat.
Chris Lowe
Now, you and a colleague did yeoman's work monitoring all of that federal court hearing yesterday. What do we learn?
Jess Bravin
Well, we learned that this, you know, this court is skeptical. Some judges point out that this law has been on the books for 50 years and no president has ever invoked tariffs under it. The judges pointed out that the authority the president is claiming comes from provision that says in response to an unusual or extraordinary threat overseas, the president can regulate importation. The president has interpreted that to mean he can impose import taxes on goods coming into the United States. The judges were skeptical that the word regulate go so far as to allow tariffs.
Chris Lowe
It's not impossible this ends up at the high court.
Jess Bravin
It's not impossible that it ends up at the high court. In fact, I would say it's likely this ends up at the Supreme Court because whoever loses before this intermediate appeals court is going to be very unhappy. There are billions of dollars at stake and they're going to go down the road and file an appeal. The Supreme Court is not required to take that appeal, but it almost certainly will because this is such an important issue, especially if the government loses. Because when the loses at a lower court, the justices are particularly open to hearing the government's arguments.
Chris Lowe
Wall Street Journal correspondent Jess Braven, thank you very much.
Jess Bravin
Anytime, David.
Chris Lowe
As of today, it is illegal to discriminate against someone in Minneapolis because they're seen as too short, too tall or too heav. That city follows New York, San Francisco and a patchwork of other places that have those protections that can affect housing, hiring and more. But discrimination based on body type is legal elsewhere. Marketplace's Savannah Peters has more.
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The job market is not always kind to people with larger bodies. According to Natalie Boro, who studies weight bias at San Jose State University. There are more often denied promotions, less often hired in the first place. Research shows there's a wage penalty associated with having a bigger body, particularly for women. Height bias is more likely to impact men. There are obvious economic consequences of all of these things. But body size is not a protected class under federal law. And Minneapolis is joining a short list of just nine U.S. cities with legal protections against size discrimination, plus the states of Michigan and Washington.
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Tigress Osborne heads up the national association to Advance Fad Acceptance. She says it's a tough political environment for the handful of other states where anti size discrimination bills are pending.
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Plus, employers tend to push back on any new regulations that could cost them money. In Minneapolis, organizers hope new protections will influence over a dozen Fortune 500 companies headquartered in the city. Kat Palovoda owns a plus size consignment store in Minneapolis. When someone learns like you can get fired for being fat most places, whether you live in a larger body or not, you're like, I don't think that's right, you know? Palovoda knows size discrimination can be hard to prove, but hopes the new protections can help shift the culture in her city. Savannah I'm Savannah Peters for Marketplace, and.
Chris Lowe
In Los Angeles, I'm David Brancaccio. You're listening to the Marketplace Morning Report from apm, American Public Media.
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Marketplace Morning Report
Episode: Job Data Revisions Reveal a Weaker Labor Market
Release Date: August 1, 2025
Host: David Brancaccio
In this episode of the Marketplace Morning Report, host David Brancaccio delves into the latest revisions of U.S. job data, uncovering a more subdued labor market than previously reported. The discussion highlights significant downward adjustments in job creation figures, explores the implications for the economy and financial markets, and examines the ongoing legal battles surrounding newly imposed tariffs. Additionally, the episode touches on progressive local legislation in Minneapolis aimed at preventing body size discrimination in the workplace and beyond.
Chris Lowe, Chief Economist at FHN Financial, presents startling revisions to recent job reports:
May Job Additions Revised Down: Initial estimates suggested an addition of 125,000 jobs, but revised data shows only 19,000 new jobs ([00:45]).
June Job Growth Slashed: Originally reported at 147,000, the June payroll gains were adjusted to a mere 14,000 ([00:45]).
July Figures Continue the Weak Trend: The latest report indicates 73,000 new jobs, falling short of expectations and raising concerns about potential further revisions ([00:45]).
Lowe remarks, “It's one of those shocking revelations where it's rare, but it happens. The anecdotal data, the survey data, turned out to be more accurate than what we characterize as the real data” ([01:24]).
He further emphasizes the precarious state of the economy: “The ranks of the unemployed increased by a quarter of a million people despite the fact that the labor force fell and still unemployment went up. It tells me that the economy is barely growing” ([01:48]).
The weaker job numbers have sent ripples through financial markets:
Stock Market Declines: Dow Jones is down 654 points (1.5%) and the Nasdaq has decreased by 2.2%.
Bond Market Rally: In contrast, the bond market is experiencing gains as the 10-year interest rate drops to 4.25% due to expectations of a weaker economy ([02:16]).
Amidst these economic indicators, new tariffs are set to commence, prompting legal scrutiny. Chris Lowe introduces Jess Bravin, a Wall Street Journal correspondent, to discuss the legality of the tariffs:
Emergency Powers and Tariffs: The tariffs, imposed under emergency authority, are being challenged in courts. Bravin explains, “Congress did give the president certain emergency powers... President Trump has discovered and used [them] quite liberally” ([03:05]).
Legal Challenges: Businesses argue that the tariffs overstep presidential authority and infringe upon legislated trade policies. Bravin notes the skepticism among judges regarding the president's interpretation of his regulatory powers, especially concerning imposing import taxes ([04:06]).
Potential Supreme Court Involvement: Bravin predicts that the case is likely to escalate to the Supreme Court due to its significance and the substantial financial stakes involved ([04:47]).
Shifting focus to social issues, the episode highlights Minneapolis' groundbreaking legislation:
New Protections: Minneapolis has enacted laws making it illegal to discriminate against individuals based on body size, joining a select group of cities and states with such protections ([05:36]).
Impact on Employment and Housing: According to Natalie Boro from San Jose State University, size discrimination often results in denied promotions, hiring biases, and wage penalties, particularly affecting women and height biases impacting men ([05:58]).
Challenges and Advocacy: Tigress Osborne of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance points out the political and economic resistance to these protections. However, advocates like Kat Palovoda, a Minneapolis-based business owner, believe that legal safeguards can help shift cultural perceptions and reduce discrimination ([06:41]).
The episode paints a comprehensive picture of a labor market facing unexpected downturns, financial markets reacting to economic uncertainties, and significant legal and social developments shaping the business landscape. The revelations from revised job data underscore the fragility of economic growth, while the ongoing tariff disputes and progressive local laws reflect the dynamic interplay between economics, law, and societal values.
Notable Quotes:
“It's one of those shocking revelations where it's rare, but it happens.” – Chris Lowe ([01:24])
“The ranks of the unemployed increased by a quarter of a million people... It tells me that the economy is barely growing.” – Chris Lowe ([01:48])
“President Trump has discovered and used [emergency powers] quite liberally.” – Jess Bravin ([03:05])
“It tells me that the economy is barely growing.” – Chris Lowe ([01:48])
“You're like, I don't think that's right, you know?” – Kat Palovoda ([07:02])
This summary captures the essential discussions and insights from the episode, providing a clear and comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened to the full podcast.