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Sabri Ben Assure
if rising gas prices weren't enough, interest rates could be going up too this year. From Marketplace, I'm Sabri Ben Assure in New York. We got the notes from the Federal Reserve's last big interest rate meeting. A lot of folks there think the economy might could need higher interest rates this year to fight inflation. That could be a tough pill to swallow for consumers. Diane Swonk is here to talk about it. She's chief economist at kpmg. Hi Diane.
Diane Swonk
Good morning.
Sabri Ben Assure
So we got the notes from the Fed's last meeting and it turns out a majority of Fed officials are open to the idea that interest rates might actually have to go up this year at least once. Why is that?
Diane Swonk
That's because what we're seeing is the underlying inflation numbers are not improving enough to get us back to the Fed's target, let alone what anyone considers price stability. To everyday consumers out there, it really just means that you're not thinking about trade offs every day because some prices are going up and you need to maximize your budget and make specific trade offs in your grocery cart or in any other car that you're buying. And that's not the case right now. Consumers have prices front of mind and that's the problem for the Federal Reserve.
Sabri Ben Assure
Now with normal inflation, you know, you raise interest rates, makes borrowing more expensive, the economy cools down, inflation falls. But this inflation is from higher gas prices and raising rates doesn't make gas cheaper. So why do it?
Diane Swonk
That's a good question. And what the problem is is this is more than an energy shock. There is the energy shock that we see first and that really affects consumers. But it's, it's a shock layered on top of other shocks. We've seen everything from tariffs to the pandemic itself, and it's roiling supply chains the world over. All of that is going to show up over time in the overall price of goods and everything we buy, and in services too. So all of these things do show up over time, but it's much more than just an energy shock. It's a supply chain shock that has an echo effect, much like the pandemic. Not as bad, but piling on top of a pandemic induced inflation that we never fully derailed. And whether or not the Fed can single handedly do that with just one rate hike alone is questionable. But at the end of the day, inflation is like a disease. Over time it can get worse if you don't treat it, even if the cure is painful.
Sabri Ben Assure
Diane Swonk, chief economist at kpmg. Thank you so much.
Diane Swonk
Thank you.
Sabri Ben Assure
Kevin Warsh, speaking of the Fed, begins his term as chair of the Federal Reserve today. He's set to take the oath of office at the White House, first time the swearing in has been done there in almost 40 years. And President Trump abruptly canceled plans to sign a new executive order on AI. It would have had the government vet new artificial intelligence systems for national security risks. The President said that in the end, he didn't want to do anything that would hamper the US's lead over China. Shares of Alphabet, owner of Google's Gemini AI, is down 7, 10%.
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Sabri Ben Assure
in an economy that is getting more automated, you might think a hotel housekeeper's job would be relatively safe. AI can't make beds or scrub sinks yet. But as Rebecca Pleven of nonprofit Newsroom Proof News reports, some automation is already here for hotel cleaning crews.
Rebecca Plevin
Elsa Roldan is a housekeeper at a luxury hotel on the Las Vegas Strip. She used to have near complete control of the order of the room she cleaned. She checked off her progress on a clipboard. That changed in 2019 when her employer rolled out a software called the Hotel Service Optimization System, or Hot Sauce. It uses an algorithm to rank which rooms to clean. Next.
Hotel Housekeeper (Elsa Roldan or Luce Nunez)
You have a device like telling you move here, move there, like if you were a robot.
Rebecca Plevin
The app is from Spanish tech company Amadeus. In 2021, it said hot sauce was used by more than 70% of global hotel brands in 70 countries. It promises to speed room turnover and boost worker productivity. But Roldan told me the app sent her zigzagging around the massive hotel with her bulky cart.
Hotel Housekeeper (Elsa Roldan or Luce Nunez)
We literally can waste more than 20 minutes in the travel time. Elevators are busy. The cart is slow.
Rebecca Plevin
It also tracks her progress throughout the day, clocking when she starts and finishes each room. I asked Amadeus about worker dissatisfaction, but no one responded. Roldan is part of a union of 60,000 hotel workers in Nevada. Soon after Hot Sauce was introduced, the union started negotiating more autonomy from the app. In 2022, it won.
Hotel Housekeeper (Elsa Roldan or Luce Nunez)
Yes, we go with the instructions, but also if we see that a room is available to clean, we can do it.
Rebecca Plevin
Unions are, in many cases using bargaining to establish basic protections against AI and automation in the workplace. But just 10% of the country's workers are union members, resulting in a patchwork of protection. I met housekeeper Luce Nunez at a resort near Palm Springs in California. She said the app makes her job more stressful. She's not represented by a union. She has a daily quota, and managers can use Hot Sauce to monitor her productivity. She says. If you don't change the bed, they give you 20 or 25 minutes, and if you take longer than that, they'll ask you, why did you take so long? Most days, she logs a 10 minute break but keeps working, fearing she won't reach her quota. Instead, she tries to take it a little easier. She says she doesn't sit down or anything. Rather, she works a little slower. Then she picks up her pace again, ready for the algorithm to serve up another room to clean. In Palm Springs, I'm Rebecca Plevin for
Sabri Ben Assure
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I'm Rima Grace, host of the weekly Marketplace podcast. This is Uncomfortable. And this week on the show we're talking about doom spending. You know, that impulse to spend when the future feels uncertain, like maybe I'll never be able to retire or buy a home anyway, so why not book that vacation or buy that fancy gadget? When we ask ourselves, what's the point of saving? We're just going to die or whatever, I think that's the wrong question. I think the more important thing to ask is, is spending that money even actually making you feel better? Be sure to listen to this Is Uncomfortable. Wherever you get your podcasts.
Episode Title: When an algorithm tells you how to do your job
Date: May 22, 2026
Host: Sabri Ben Assure
Main Theme:
This episode focuses on how algorithms and automated systems are changing workplace dynamics – particularly for workers in traditionally hands-on, service-oriented jobs like hotel housekeeping. The show also provides key updates on U.S. economic policy from the Federal Reserve, touching on current inflation, interest rates, and AI regulations.
[00:56–03:26]
Economic Backdrop:
Expert Interview:
"The underlying inflation numbers are not improving enough to get us back to the Fed's target, let alone what anyone considers price stability."
— Diane Swonk, [01:40]
"It's much more than just an energy shock. It's a supply chain shock that has an echo effect, much like the pandemic. Not as bad, but piling on top of a pandemic induced inflation that we never fully derailed."
— Diane Swonk, [02:24]
"At the end of the day, inflation is like a disease. Over time it can get worse if you don't treat it, even if the cure is painful."
— Diane Swonk, [03:13]
[03:28–04:20]
Fed Leadership:
AI Regulatory News:
[05:42–08:33]
Field Report: Rebecca Plevin, Proof News
Case Study:
Worker Experience:
"You have a device like telling you move here, move there, like if you were a robot."
— Hotel Housekeeper, [06:24]
"We literally can waste more than 20 minutes in the travel time. Elevators are busy. The cart is slow."
— Hotel Housekeeper, [06:50]
Union Negotiation:
"Yes, we go with the instructions, but also if we see that a room is available to clean, we can do it."
— Elsa Roldan, [07:21]
Non-Union Challenges:
"If you don't change the bed, they give you 20 or 25 minutes, and if you take longer than that, they'll ask you, why did you take so long?" — [07:53]
Diane Swonk on inflation:
"At the end of the day, inflation is like a disease. Over time it can get worse if you don't treat it, even if the cure is painful."
— [03:13]
Hotel housekeeper on algorithm-driven work:
"You have a device like telling you move here, move there, like if you were a robot."
— [06:24]
Union win for worker autonomy:
"Yes, we go with the instructions, but also if we see that a room is available to clean, we can do it."
— [07:21]
The episode balances brisk, factual updates on economic news with empathetic, on-the-ground reporting about the impact of technology on workers’ daily lives, reflecting both analytic clarity and genuine concern for everyday challenges.