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Episode: What’s the one thing a brand can do to optimize a programmatic campaign?
Date: October 8, 2025
Host: Benjamin Shapiro
Guest: Amanda Martin (Chief Revenue Officer, Mediavine)

Episode Overview

In this episode, host Benjamin Shapiro interviews Amanda Martin, Chief Revenue Officer at Mediavine, about the evolving landscape of programmatic advertising for brands. The discussion centers on one pivotal question: What is the one thing a brand can do to optimize a programmatic campaign? Amanda draws on her extensive buy-side experience to deliver actionable insights for brands looking to future-proof their programmatic strategy and ensure effective monetization in 2025.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Focusing on a True KPI

[01:50]

Amanda’s Core Recommendation:
The most critical step brands can take to optimize programmatic campaigns is to have an unwavering focus on a single, clearly-defined Key Performance Indicator (KPI).
Competing North Stars:
Amanda notes that the programmatic landscape is rife with "bells and whistles"—multiple possible north stars which often contradict each other.
Quote:

"Having a solid definition of what defines your return on ad spend, what metric is your most important metric and driving to that across any platform that you're buying, and really following the performance and following the audience."
— Amanda Martin [01:50]

2. The Challenges of Programmatic Implementation

[02:22]

Benjamin Presses for Programmatic-Specific Tactics:
Benjamin asks Amanda to move beyond general marketing principles and address the technical complexities that are unique to programmatic—specifically around targeting and data flow.
Amanda’s Response:
The key is to move away from "media vanity metrics" and instead focus on core business metrics. The real challenge is to ensure that the true business outcomes (not just superficial engagement stats) are the targets being optimized for.

3. Business Metrics vs. Vanity Metrics

[02:53]

Success in Retail Media Networks:
Amanda references the growing influence of retail media networks as they focus on concrete bottom-line outcomes, like items sold, rather than digital ad engagement rates (e.g., CTR, CTA).
Emerging Trends:
- Use of offline data sources and curators
- Crossover between retail media network insights and programmatic approaches
Getting Buy-In from Leadership:
When campaign KPIs matter to the CFO and reflect bottom-line business value, brands are set up for real success.
Quote:

"At the end of the day, when you can get your CFO to actually care about the KPIs of your campaign, I think you're winning."
— Amanda Martin [03:33]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Choosing a Real KPI:

"There’s a lot of bells and whistles when you get into Programmatic and a lot of those north stars contradict each other."
— Amanda Martin [01:53]
On Vanity vs. Value:

"You have to get out of the kind of media vanity metrics pretty quickly and you need to get back to your business metrics."
— Amanda Martin [02:55]
On Retail Media Networks:

"I think the reason we're seeing such success in the retail media network space is that you're speaking about bottom line items sold as opposed to what is my... CTA or my ctrl."
— Amanda Martin [03:01]
On Winning Internally:

"When you can get your CFO to actually care about the KPIs of your campaign, I think you're winning."
— Amanda Martin [03:33]

Timestamps for Important Segments

[01:15] Introduction of Amanda Martin and focus of the episode
[01:50] Amanda’s primary advice: focus on a true KPI
[02:22] Discussion of challenges specific to programmatic optimization
[02:53] Importance of prioritizing business metrics over vanity metrics
[03:33] Aligning campaign KPIs with ROI that matters to the CFO

Tone & Takeaways

Amanda’s advice is direct, pragmatic, and focused on results that matter. She urges brands to discard distractions and build programmatic campaigns around the business outcome that counts—real ROI, not superficial clicks or impressions. The conversation is concise but packed with impactful, experience-driven recommendations for marketers looking to navigate the technical maze of programmatic advertising in 2025.

For more information or to connect with Amanda Martin:

[Amanda's LinkedIn] (see show notes on martechpod.com)
Mediavine website

Main Takeaway:
“Define your true KPI, align your optimization with bottom-line business outcomes, and ensure your entire programmatic effort is grounded in metrics your CFO cares about.”

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From advertising to software as a service to data, across all of our programs and clients, we've seen a 55 to 65% open rate. Getting brands authentically integrated into content performs better than TV advertising. Typical lifespan of an article is about 24 to 36 hours. We're reaching out to the right person with the right message and a clear call to action. Then it's just a matter of timing.
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Welcome to the Martech Podcast, a member of the I Hear Everything Podcast Network. In this podcast, you'll hear the stories of world class marketers that used technology to drive business results and achieve career success. Here's a host of the Martech Podcast. Benjamin Shapiro.
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I'm Benjamin Shapiro and joining me today is Amanda Martin, the Chief Revenue Officer at mediavine, the largest independent ad management firm in the US that helps publishers maximize revenue through advanced monetization and data solutions. And today Amanda will reveal which strategies are actually working for publishers and how to future proof your monetization stack in 2025. We talked a lot about the programmatic advertising landscape for the publishers. I want to focus on the brand. What's the one thing a brand can do to optimize a programmatic campaign?
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I think it's the focus on a true KPI. I think from my experience being on the buy side myself, there's a lot of bells and whistles when you get into Programmatic and a lot of those north stars contradict each other. So I would say having a solid definition of what defines your return on ad spend, what metric is your most important metric and driving to that across any platform that you're buying and really following the performance and following the audience.
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I'm going to press you on this one. Yeah, having a KPI across any advertising strategy matters, but with Programmatic specifically, I feel like it's so technically complicated to implement. What are some of the optimization tactics that are specific to Programmatic other than, well, you have to know what you're aiming at. It's like how do you make sure that you're targeting, how do you make sure that your, your data is flowing? Because that seems to be the biggest problem for this channel.
[02:54]
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I think the key to that is you have to get out of the kind of media vanity metrics pretty quickly and you need to get back to your business metrics. I think the reason we're seeing such success in the retail media network space is that you're speaking about bottom line items sold as opposed to what is my, you know, CTA or my ctrl. And so I think you have to get past the vanity metrics in order to, like, solidify your success. And I think you're seeing that happen in a lot of different ways. You're seeing it happen with retail media networks, you're seeing it with offline data sources, you're seeing it with curators now. But at the end of the day, when you can get your CFO to actually care about the KPIs of your campaign, I think you're winning.
[03:42]
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All right, that wraps up this episode of the Martech Podcast. Thanks thanks for listening to my conversation with Amanda Martin, the Chief Revenue Officer at mediavine. If you'd like to contact Amanda, you can find a link to her LinkedIn profile in our show notes or on martechpod.com or you can visit her company's website, which is mediavine.com if you haven't subscribed yet and you want a daily stream of marketing and technology knowledge in your podcast feed, hit the subscribe button in your podcast app. Or Visit us on YouTube and we'll be back in your feed next week. All right, that's it for today, but until next time, my advice is to just focus on keeping your customers happy.
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