Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Episode: Ep 536 - The Program (feat. James Fox)
Release Date: December 17, 2024
Introduction to the Episode and Guest
In Episode 536, hosts Matt McCusker and Shane Gillis delve deep into the enigmatic world of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) with renowned UFO researcher and documentary filmmaker, James Fox. The episode, titled "The Program," explores Fox's extensive work, his journey into UFO investigation, and the broader implications of UAP encounters on society and government transparency.
James Fox's Background and Journey into UFO Research
James Fox begins by recounting his early exposure to journalism through his father, a quadriplegic journalist who introduced him to influential figures like Stephen Hawking and Dan Gurney. This foundational experience sparked Fox's interest in investigative storytelling.
Notable Quote:
"I had a sneak preview into journalism pretty early on in my life through my dad."
— James Fox [01:33]
Fox's path took a dramatic turn in the early '90s when a high school friend became obsessed with UFOs, particularly the Roswell incident. Initially skeptical, Fox's curiosity was piqued when his friend revealed that the government had admitted to recovering an alien craft.
Notable Quote:
"They actually admitted it. And then the very people that were involved in the COVID up came forward on camera before they died, saying it was original."
— James Fox [07:30]
This revelation led Fox to attend conferences and conduct interviews with military personnel, gradually shifting his belief toward the existence of unexplained aerial phenomena.
Key Documentary Insights: The Program and Moment of Contact
Fox discusses his documentary work, highlighting his first project, "The Program," which investigates a purported UFO crash retrieval program. He also mentions "Moment of Contact," a film that chronicles a UFO crash in Brazil and the mysterious deaths of individuals involved in capturing alien entities.
Notable Quote:
"I sold it to Discovery Channel, it aired on Learning Channel, and I kind of got the last laugh."
— James Fox [08:33]
Fox emphasizes the personal toll of his investigations, sharing how his dedication led him to unparalleled discoveries but also strained relationships and personal well-being.
The Brazilian UFO Crash Case
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the Brazilian UFO crash case of 1996 in Virginia, Brazil. Fox details the events surrounding the crash, including eyewitness accounts of cylindrical-shaped objects emitting white vapor and the subsequent capture attempts by local authorities.
Notable Quote:
"They were told to be on the lookout for something strange without specifying it was aliens."
— James Fox [17:14]
Fox recounts his attempt to interview Eric Lopes, a police officer who was directly involved in the incident. Lopes became increasingly paranoid and threatened Fox, culminating in a tense encounter where Lopes attempted to shoot him, highlighting the extreme measures some witnesses take to protect their secrets.
Notable Quote:
"If you watch the program and you still think there's nothing to it, I think that's going to be nearly impossible."
— James Fox [52:49]
Governmental Responses and Congressional Hearings
The conversation shifts to governmental acknowledgment of UAPs. Fox explains the gradual shift from secrecy to transparency, spurred by insiders like Christopher Mellon and Lou Elizondo who pushed for disclosure. This movement led to bipartisan congressional hearings that officially recognized the existence of a crash retrieval program.
Notable Quote:
"Senator Harry Reid... they said, it's demonic and I'm not going to engage with that."
— James Fox [50:31]
Fox highlights the reluctance of some officials to take UAPs seriously, often dismissing them as demonic or irrelevant, despite mounting evidence and testimonies.
Advanced Technology and Implications of UAPs
Fox and the hosts delve into the technological marvels exhibited by UAPs, contrasting them with human advancements. They discuss the impossibly advanced propulsion and maneuverability of these objects, which outpace the fastest military jets without producing sonic booms or significant noise.
Notable Quote:
"They can accelerate from a standstill to out of sight in the blink of an eye."
— James Fox [27:23]
Fox speculates on the origins of UAPs, considering possibilities like interdimensional beings, ancient advanced civilizations, or even time travelers. He underscores the baffling nature of these phenomena, which remain beyond current scientific understanding.
Philosophical Reflections on the Universe and UAPs
The episode takes a philosophical turn as Fox and the hosts contemplate the vastness of the universe and humanity's place within it. They discuss how confirmed existence of advanced life forms would impact human self-perception, potentially unifying humanity or causing existential crises.
Notable Quote:
"I think it would unify us. There's an outside force."
— James Fox [39:53]
Fox shares insights from interviews with figures like Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who felt a profound sense of unity and perspective after viewing Earth from space, suggesting that awareness of UAPs could foster a similar collective consciousness.
Final Thoughts and Notable Quotes
As the episode concludes, Fox emphasizes the reality of the UAP phenomenon, urging skeptics to watch "The Program" for comprehensive evidence and testimonies. He reflects on the ongoing mystery and the need for continued investigation.
Notable Quote:
"The phenomenon is real and it defies a conventional explanation."
— James Fox [52:49]
The hosts thank Fox for his candid insights, wrapping up an episode that not only explores mysterious aerial phenomena but also invites listeners to ponder deeper questions about existence and the unknown.
Conclusion
Episode 536 of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast offers an in-depth exploration of James Fox's work on UAPs, blending investigative journalism with philosophical musings. Through compelling stories, expert testimonies, and thought-provoking discussions, the episode sheds light on one of the most intriguing and elusive subjects of our time.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps:
- "I had a sneak preview into journalism pretty early on in my life through my dad." — James Fox [01:33]
- "They actually admitted it. And then the very people that were involved in the COVID up came forward on camera before they died, saying it was original." — James Fox [07:30]
- "If you watch the program and you still think there's nothing to it, I think that's going to be nearly impossible." — James Fox [52:49]
- "They can accelerate from a standstill to out of sight in the blink of an eye." — James Fox [27:23]
- "The phenomenon is real and it defies a conventional explanation." — James Fox [52:49]
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