Ep 579 - Crumb & The Hutt (feat. Joe Derosa & Lemaire Lee)

Summary

Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast

Episode 579: Crumb & The Hutt (feat. Joe DeRosa & Lemaire Lee)
Date: October 1, 2025
Guests: Joe DeRosa, Lemaire Lee

Episode Overview

This episode of Matt and Shane’s Secret Podcast gives listeners a wild, fast-moving train of jokes and heated, often hilarious, debates between comedians Shane Gillis, Joe DeRosa (filling in for Matt McCusker, who’s away), and Lemaire Lee. From riffing on American history, documentaries, and sports meltdowns, to deep dives into Star Wars lore and superhero morality, the trio delivers a classic blend of insight and absurdity. Expect quick jabs, affectionate roasting, and a flow that hops from personal stories to national trivia, pop culture, and the struggle to be a responsible adult comedian.

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Main Themes and Key Discussion Points

The Origin of "United States of America" and Early American History

• Shane, fresh from a Revolutionary War doc, quizzes the crew on how America got its name, revealing it was named by an anonymous letter writer using the pseudonym “Republicus.”
  • Notable Quote: "Writing into the paper and going, we should call this country United States of America. Also my name’s Republicus and the whole country was like, yo, United States of America is sick, dude." — Shane Gillis [03:23]
• The group explores and humorously debates the history behind “America” not being from Amerigo Vespucci, the Columbus ‘Indians’ myth, and the oddness of naming places, riffing on the confusion of European names.
  • Memorable Moment: Lemaire speculates if Republicus was actually Vespucci’s “Voltaire.” [04:45]

Ken Burns Documentaries & Documentary Culture

• Shane, fueled by a sneak preview of a new Ken Burns Revolutionary War doc, waxes about the power of history docs, the Burns brothers, and his love for Louis Theroux’s documentaries.
  • Notable Quote: "Ken Burns' Civil War. Ken Burns, baseball is nice. Yeah, I heard baseball is a big one. And then his brother puts out docs, too." — Shane Gillis [10:08]
• Joe and Lemaire poke fun at Ken and his brother as “the boring brothers,” but admit the impact of these docs, especially Jazz and the Civil War.
• Tangents into Theroux’s documentaries on prisons, Israel-Palestine, and Scientology.

Brutality in American History (Tar and Feathering)

• Discussion on how tar and feathering is often seen as ‘cartoonish’ but was actually horrific.
  • Notable Quote: "That was, like, a brutal... Scolding hot tar, like, killed people." — Shane Gillis [08:24]

Documentaries and Unusual Recs

• Joe recommends “The Quilters” (HBO), about level 5 convicts making quilts in a prison, describing its emotional impact.
  • Memorable Moment: "These guys are like, this is the only way I can give back to society for what I did. And it’s crazy. I cried during it. Yeah." — Joe DeRosa [14:47]

Sports Pop Culture: Spazzes, Meltdowns & Halftime Shows

Halftime Shows & Cultural Outrage

• They riff on outrage about Super Bowl halftime shows, Bad Bunny’s booking, and revisit the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake nipplegate.
  • Notable Quote: “That was a pivotal moment in, like, American history. Like, for TV and stuff.” — Lemaire [22:30]
• Debate why some acts “outrage” certain political groups, and the absurdity of the uproar.

Epic Sports Meltdowns

• They reminisce about epic baseball, football, and basketball coach outbursts—Tommy Lasorda, Bobby Knight, Jim Belushi's SNL chess coach, and why baseball has the best 'spaz' moments.

  • Notable Quote: "Bobby Knight basketball. Tossing a chair across the court. Hilarious. Choking a player, white guy. It’s basically white boy spazzes. True white boy rage." — Shane Gillis [42:49]

• Transition to gamer meltdowns and memories of making Dan Soder angry over video games.

  • Memorable Moment: "I got Dan so mad when we were. They were playing nc... I beat him the first couple. I was just killing him... my minion comes in... He blew a 14 or 17 point lead and missed an extra point and lost." — Shane Gillis [50:51]

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Star Wars Lore and Group Nicknames [26:27–32:30]

• Joe and Shane assign themselves and their comedy compatriots Star Wars character analogues:

  • Joe is "Salacious Crumb" and Shane is "The Hut."
  • "Tell me it’s not me and Shane. Hanging out at a bar. I’ll happily sit at this man’s legs." — Joe DeRosa [27:33]

• They debate which friend matches which Jabba’s palace denizen, with Lemaire suggested as the Gamorrean (pig) guard and Tony as C-3PO.

• Extended riff on why nobody gets to be a cool character like Boba Fett and the hierarchy of Star Wars character assignments among their friend group.

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Fandoms, Pop Culture, and Personal Taste

Star Wars Prequels vs. Originals Debate

• Lemaire argues the prequels are a better set than the original Star Wars trilogy:
  • “The second one, episode I, II, and III — better set of movies than the first, IV, V, VI. I stand on that.” — Lemaire [65:50]
• Joe supports ‘Sith’ as top three, but admits Attack of the Clones had too much CGI.

Batman, Superman & The ‘Morality’ of Superheroes

• Lemaire holds a surprising position: Batman Begins “ruined society”, blaming it for sparking immoral, billionaire-worship culture.
  • Standout Exchange:
    • Lemaire: "Batman Begins started immorality. Culturally." [56:33]
    • Joe: "Batman is the most selfless man on earth... he’s given himself to the city." [57:47]
    • Shane: "He sacrifices himself, dude, that means he doesn’t care." [56:49]
• Extended riffing on Batman versus Superman’s ethos, the impact of superhero movies on society and pop culture.

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Friendship, Roasting, and Interpersonal Dynamics

Joe and Shane’s Relationship “Ceasefire”

• The pair jokes about their pattern of roasting each other, how it sometimes leads to post-hang check-ins, and propose a “ceasefire” to not criticize until the other does.
  • "Ceasefire. But if you’re doing something slimy or gay, I do get to say that." — Shane Gillis [72:09]
  • "We've gotten ourselves into a corner... every time we'd go out, we'd have to talk on the phone two days later. 'We good, dude? Yeah, I just, you know... fuck off, dude.'" — Joe DeRosa [75:15]

Reflections on the Comedy Road & Group Drinking Habits

• Tales of comedian “drinking teams,” stories about comics like “the Pope,” and drunken antics on the road.
• They joke about a song DeRosa and Tony sing when drinking: “We Got a Problem,” reflecting on the hilarity and camaraderie in their boozy routines.
• Shane reflects on opening for huge stadium crowds:
  • "It's probably like 85,000. Not ideal for stand up, but... probably the coolest thing I’ve ever done." — Shane Gillis [61:13]

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Society, Alcohol & Prohibition [85:10–91:17]

• Shane brings up the PBS/Ken Burns Prohibition doc, exploring why women were the push behind the movement – since there were no laws against domestic abuse and alcohol exacerbated family violence.
  • "Turns out there’s no laws back then about beating the shit out of your family or raping your wife...” — Shane Gillis [86:48]
  • They analyze the powder keg nature of immigrant life, bar brawls, and the “bootlegger” origins.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• "Once you get clean and sober like me..." — Shane Gillis [00:44]
• "Tar and feathering—scolding hot tar, like, killed people." — Shane Gillis [08:24]
• "Ken Burns Civil War, that’s the one for me." — Shane Gillis [10:08]
• "That was a pivotal moment in American history—Janet Jackson, live TV titty drop." — Lemaire [22:30]
• "You remind me of Timberlake—just like a smooth operator." — Shane Gillis to Joe DeRosa [24:07]
• “Ceasefire. But if you’re doing something slimy or gay, I do get to say that.” — Shane Gillis [72:09]
• "The second one, ep 1-3, better than the original trilogy—I stand on that." — Lemaire [65:51]
• “Guess who just got back today...” (trailing into Thin Lizzy’s “The Boys Are Back In Town”) — Closing musical joke [85:46]
• “Turns out these guys would come home, no laws, just beating shit out of your family...I always thought, ugh, just ruining a good time—nah, it’s darker than that.” — Shane Gillis [86:48]

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Memorable Moments

• Nicknaming and character assignments from Star Wars lore for comedian friend group
• Joe and Shane’s heartfelt, if roast-heavy, “relationship summit”
• Epic tales of sports and gamer meltdowns, especially making Dan Soder rage-quit
• Joe’s prison quilting doc rec and sincere tears shed over rehabilitated criminals
• The ongoing, loving riff about boozing, hangovers, and why comedians struggle to give up the party lifestyle

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Pop Culture and History Deep Cuts

• Dissections on American, European, and comic book lore
• Riffs on why the “liberals struck back” and “ruined Star Wars” (in jest)
• Superhero debates: Batman’s damage to society vs. Superman’s wholesome morality

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

Prepare for a relentless pace, inside baseball with the NY/Philly comedy scene, a ton of affectionate ball-busting, and genuine musings on history, masculinity, pop culture, and why drinking never seems to get old. Joe DeRosa, stepping in for Matt, provides the perfect foil for Shane’s historical nerdery and Lemaire’s wild-card theorizing. It’s an episode packed with laughs, lore, and real talk.

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Note:

• Timestamps correspond to the transcript above (MM:SS format).
• Ads, intros, and outros were omitted from this summary.
• Content reflects the language and tone of the speakers: irreverent, honest, and routinely hilarious.

Transcript

[Joe DeRosa]

The wild, wild west. I can still swap it out if that.

[Lemaire]

Yeah, it's right. It's probably less than that.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Lemaire]

It's not.

[Shane Gillis]

10 extra bucks. What'd you say? ZSTS. All right, let's get started. One second in, and you're gay.

[Joe DeRosa]

You can get a decent 85er for like 7,800 bucks. Yeah, I mean. I mean, you can go all the way up to three grand or whatever, but. Yeah. You're talking extra on top of the 70 something. No, no, no. The 75 was only six. You get.

[Shane Gillis]

You guys are on a star podcast.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'm ready, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, you were doing it. That was what you want to do.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'm just sitting, waiting for you to talk.

[Shane Gillis]

Prices stuck. TV prices.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Fired up.

[Joe DeRosa]

You gotta be.

[Shane Gillis]

Matt's gone. Matt's gone. So I just really scraping the. No, no. Just joking, man. Happy D. Look, man, your anxiety. I know where you're at. Once you get clean and sober like me.

[Joe DeRosa]

You're a animal, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm sorry.

[Joe DeRosa]

You. You don't drink for two days. You think you're living, right?

[Shane Gillis]

Who doesn't, right? After three days, I go, I'm fine.

[Joe DeRosa]

I go for one day. I have one healthy shit. I'm like, oh, I'm fine.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. What the fuck the was I worried about the last 30 years?

[Joe DeRosa]

I've been doing this stuff called dose.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Shane Gillis]

Supposed to help. We'll see, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

It does your energy. It, like, jacks your energy up.

[Lemaire]

What does it do?

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know. I have it. I have it. Whatever.

[Joe DeRosa]

You got to do it every day. It's a liver cleanse, and it's for.

[Shane Gillis]

Guys who don't really want to stop drinking. Yeah. Supplement on Instagram where they go. You've talked about being a booze bag a lot. We've picked that up. And here's your liver health in your algorithm.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lemaire]

I don't want to stop drinking. It's too fun.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Hey, I'll tell you what. I got my hands on a little Revolutionary War doc.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You want to know how do you think we came up with the name United States of America? No one even thinks about it, do they?

[Joe DeRosa]

Well, I just assumed it was a bunch of states that would be united.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, but you still got to come up with a name when you go, we're declaring independence, what the fuck do we call ourselves?

[Joe DeRosa]

I feel like it was early on and you called things what they were back then. You weren't. You weren't going to come up with a fancy name. You were going to just say this is what it is, where it's a fuck you to the king. The United States of America.

[Shane Gillis]

I like that you're trying to sell that you're wrong. But I like it.

[Joe DeRosa]

I mean, I have no idea because I don't nerd out these dots.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay, Star Wars D.

[Joe DeRosa]

Freddy Krueger T shirt.

[Shane Gillis]

But no, I never even took the time to think about it.

[Joe DeRosa]

But it's not that simple. It's not just like this.

[Shane Gillis]

You can't just be like, we all agree this is what we're calling it. Because everybody has to come together and be like, what do we.

[Lemaire]

What is an America anyway?

[Shane Gillis]

You know, that's a good point. What's a Europe?

[Lemaire]

Shit, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

What's in Africa, dude? I mean, you're asking the hard hitting questions. I always thought it was named after Amerigo Vespucci.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's what one of the.

[Shane Gillis]

Which I think that's been the bulk proven false.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, the Columbus Indians thing is probably false too. Probably that he called them Indians because he thought it was in India.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I think he knew it was actually where he was.

[Joe DeRosa]

There was like a term they were called that said people of God. And it was like in. I forget, I forget what it is.

[Shane Gillis]

I thought it was Spanish. Well, anyway, anyway, it turns out, yeah, just some guy wrote into a local paper, the Pennsylvania Post, and said we should be the United States of America. It was like an editorial and he's. He didn't write his real name. His. His pseudonym was Republicus. Just badass. Republic transformed me up last night. Also, is there a bigger juice on the planet? That's the juice. Writing into the paper and going, we should call this country United States of America. Also my name's Republicus and the whole country was like, yo, United States of America is sick, dude. I bet a USA chant started. Like the first guy was like, usa.

[Lemaire]

You know in the music docs they like, they're like, yeah, yeah, fucking war pigs. Like they did that with the ush.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wait a minute, why? But I agree with Lemaire. What does America come from if it's not the America Vespucci guy?

[Shane Gillis]

I'm not sure. I. I think it might be America.

[Lemaire]

One of his Vespies, Voltaire.

[Joe DeRosa]

What?

[Lemaire]

I said, what if Republicans was Vespi's Voltaire.

[Shane Gillis]

What does that mean?

[Lemaire]

Voltaire? It's like a. I know who Voltaire is. He was. Yeah, he had a fake name and then, you know, he got in trouble and people say if you have a fake name. You have a Voltaire.

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't know that.

[Lemaire]

Sorry.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's all right.

[Lemaire]

I didn't mean.

[Shane Gillis]

But what did you mean by what you said?

[Lemaire]

Like, what if Republicus is Vespucci?

[Shane Gillis]

No, it was. Oh, it was like two, 300 years later. Okay, so.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay. All right. All right. Yeah. Well, man, you live and you learn.

[Shane Gillis]

No, I think they said it was Thomas Paine or. I think they said that might have been Republicans. They don't know who Republicus was. Chatgpt still says it's from America. Vespucci. All right, all right. But it's the feminine Latin form of Americas, which I kind of like Americas more. Yeah, I like Americas.

[Joe DeRosa]

Americas is good. Yeah. Us on the end of a word or a name or.

[Shane Gillis]

Or yeah, you like some Latin.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, U.S. republic. U.S. republic. Or like, they sound like Transformer names. Yeah, yeah. Or he. Man names.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

I saw this little fucking shadow pig.

[Shane Gillis]

He is a little rat pig.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, dude, he's a shadow pig.

[Shane Gillis]

You can't tell he's a pig because he's always like, oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit, he's blacked out. Yeah, there's no. There's not like a real. It's like when a British person's. This guy's smart, like, with guard dog. He's always sounds like he's blacked out.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, yeah. Just smoking cedars in the corner, dude. Back to back, no American spirit yellow.

[Shane Gillis]

That's what he'd be doing. So you can't tell. I was sober as a bird last night. Yeah, see, that's a gardening. I was a sober man.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, I was sober man.

[Shane Gillis]

How late were you out? I saw you, like, 30.

[Joe DeRosa]

I was just getting to the kill Tony after hang. It was like 10:15, 10:30, and he was walking out with his girl. I was like, where are you guys going? And his girl went, we're gonna go home. I could see the shadow pig's eyes. Like, what, did he want it to stay? Dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. You hit him with one of these. Like, no, that's not true. I wanted to go home.

[Joe DeRosa]

He's like, yeah, I'm happy to be going home, man.

[Shane Gillis]

It's good. Yeah. Somebody take a break. I was happy to go home.

[Joe DeRosa]

We got up.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. You guys had a good time?

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, we had a nice time.

[Shane Gillis]

I had a good time. I was watching an American Revolutionary War doc. Shit was tight. Don't think you.

[Joe DeRosa]

Well, tell me about it, man. I love. This is one of my favorite things about you, and I. I truly do Mean it. I am enamored by the fact that you truly love history and you, like, I wish I was. I don't know that was of use like that. I only love nerdy.

[Shane Gillis]

Really of use for me to be like Republicus.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, but it's history. Like, like, I, I, I only get it. Like, I swear to God, dude, I'm not kidding. I'll get into, like, the he man mythology the way you'll get into civil war. It's like, it's.

[Lemaire]

It's the kind of that deep mythos, brother.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, He Man's dope. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

The history is. Yeah, whatever.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. I wish I liked history. I know. I wish. I know.

[Shane Gillis]

And it tells you why we're where we're at. But you know what I was thinking about? You know how they think, like, tar and feathering is kind of funny? Wait, like, it's like, a silly thing. They're like, oh, we tarred and feathered him, huh?

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

That was, like, a brutal.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, it's horrible.

[Shane Gillis]

Horrific.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Scolding hot tar, like, killed people.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like one of the worst deaths.

[Joe DeRosa]

It burned your skin off, and the, the feathers would fuse into your skin.

[Shane Gillis]

Horrific.

[Lemaire]

It became a chicken.

[Shane Gillis]

There's a. There's a. Thank you. There's a.

[Joe DeRosa]

Maybe.

[Shane Gillis]

Never mind. I was about. I was about to. I had to walk that back. I was about to be so racist. I was about to be as racist as possible. That was crazy. But no, in. You ever see John Adams?

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Great. Great miniseries. But they tarn feather a guy in that, and it always stuck with me. I watched. I watched the first two episodes last night, and they're two hours. I don't know if I'm allowed to say it, but I got my hands on the Ken Burns Revolutionary War. It's not out yet.

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, nice.

[Shane Gillis]

And my. My manager sent it to me at, like, 10. I was like, I'm watching this right now.

[Joe DeRosa]

Nice.

[Shane Gillis]

How is it for four hours? It's fucking great.

[Joe DeRosa]

So that's the document watching.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. It's like I'm not allowed to say it.

[Joe DeRosa]

You're not even. You're not even allowed to say you've been watching it? You're spilling the beans of stuff that's in it, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, historical fact.

[Joe DeRosa]

Nobody knew about Republicans.

[Shane Gillis]

I know Republicans. No one's gonna watch. I mean, not. There's a lot of people that watch this that don't get down with Ken Burns. They should.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Kim Burns is Ken Burns.

[Shane Gillis]

Vietnam was nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

We were talking about this. I don't remember if it was you and me or not, but what was the document was like, Ken Burns's. Sergeant Pepper's like, what's the doc that broke him? I think it's the jazz one, because I remember my friend Scott had the box set, the. The. The soundtrack of that. And I just remember that Ken Burns jazz documentary was, like, everywhere. And I was like, that's the one I feel like made him, I think.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, for me, it was the Civil War one, right? Tim Burns. Civil War Ken Burns. Baseball is nice. Yeah, I heard baseball is a big one. And then his brother puts out docs, too. Like, one of them did Brooklyn Bridge, which is nice.

[Lemaire]

What are they, the boring brothers?

[Shane Gillis]

They probably. Yeah, boring fucking guys. Just both of them sitting there in.

[Lemaire]

Sweaters, just looking at books.

[Shane Gillis]

Looking at fucking books.

[Lemaire]

Come on, man. Pick up some video games.

[Shane Gillis]

Play the Vidges and Jack.

[Lemaire]

Yeah, dude, he got to make Ken Burns the revolutionary award, the video game. I'd be all in on that.

[Shane Gillis]

That would be nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

What is the. What's his brother's name?

[Shane Gillis]

I forget the.

[Joe DeRosa]

And you also love Louis Thoreau.

[Shane Gillis]

Louis Thero is great.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, yeah. I like him. He's a little more of a provocative documentary.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

But my favorite one he did was the. Was the Courtney Love one.

[Shane Gillis]

Did you ever see his Miami when he goes into super prisons?

[Joe DeRosa]

No.

[Shane Gillis]

As funny as it gets. Just in there with black dudes, we fucking. We have to beat your ass. And he's like, no, why? What if I don't want to fight? Oh, you don't have to fight. We gonna fuck you up. He's like, but you don't have to do that. Pretty great.

[Joe DeRosa]

You want to know the. One of the best docs I've ever.

[Shane Gillis]

Seen is this new one about the right wing?

[Lemaire]

No, his new one's about Israel, Palestine.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, I haven't. I haven't watched it. I heard it was pretty fucking.

[Joe DeRosa]

He goes deep, man. The first Scientology what I ever. The guy's, like, threatening him, and it was crazy.

[Shane Gillis]

Does he interview a settler in that? Yeah, and she's just like, fully like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not great.

[Lemaire]

They were saying the whole time, they're like, they can leave, or. That's what the settlers are saying.

[Joe DeRosa]

You see Netanyahu where he compares himself to Hitler?

[Lemaire]

He compared himself to the cliffs.

[Joe DeRosa]

He's. Dude, I'm swearing. I watched it three times. I was like, he can't be saying that. But he's like. He's like. They say, you know, step back Step down. He's like, you don't just stand aside and say, here you go. You have the land. Adolf Hitler didn't do that. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. He couldn't. I can't rewind it. I looked at the caption, and it was like, netanyahu compares himself to Adolph Hitler. I was like, holy shit. I think he just did that.

[Shane Gillis]

Are you sure it was not AI? Because I've been tricked. They're getting real good at just. Maybe it was showing a speech and maybe changing, like, two words.

[Joe DeRosa]

Can you gardeni. Can you look that up?

[Shane Gillis]

What did he say? Maybe he meant what he was trying to say was the opposite. People didn't placate Hitler, like, when he was taking all the land.

[Joe DeRosa]

Doesn't sound like he said that, because there. It's like he is doing as they're doing the ground strike now.

[Shane Gillis]

He's doing a lot of stuff that.

[Joe DeRosa]

He'S doing a lot of stuff.

[Shane Gillis]

He's doing a lot of stuff.

[Lemaire]

Can I say this is another Kanye was right moment.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Did you ever see the Gavin McGinnis interview with Kanye?

[Lemaire]

No.

[Joe DeRosa]

Where he goes, he goes. And Connie's in the full black, like, ski mask hood thing where you can't see his face. And Gavin goes, now, look, he's like, you know, there are statistics about black people, about the crime and stuff like that. He goes, but when you meet a black person, you don't take those statistics into it. You start with a clean slate and you judge them as a person. Do you do that with Jews? It kind of goes, nope. And Gavin starts laughing. He goes, this intervention is not going well.

[Shane Gillis]

I think it was going right where Gavin wanted it to.

[Joe DeRosa]

Exactly.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, there we go. What else is going on? We're just remembering stuff we saw.

[Joe DeRosa]

I have a good duck to Recommend. It's only 30 minutes long. It's called the Quilters, and it's. It's. No, no, listen to me. Trust me.

[Shane Gillis]

Sound great.

[Joe DeRosa]

Trust me.

[Shane Gillis]

All right.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's on HBO. It's, like, 30 minutes long. It's about a maximum security prison, and there are these level five convicts, which means level five is murder. Like, it's all the worst crimes. And there's a quilt shop in there, and they make quilts for, like, needy children. And they're super into it. And these guys that got, like, murder, double murder or whatever, they're in the quilt shop, and they're like, here's all our fabrics. And they run it like a quilt, and they get so into it. And the Kids send them. Dude, they. The quilts are amazing.

[Shane Gillis]

Kids send them what?

[Joe DeRosa]

They send them pictures of, like, me with. And it's like, thank you so much. And they cry.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, that's nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's beautiful. Dude, it's beautiful. These guys are like, this is the only way I can give back to society for what I did. And it's crazy. I cried during it. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

That's very nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's really nice.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Maybe I'll give that a shot.

[Joe DeRosa]

You should.

[Shane Gillis]

I gotta tell you, I've been watching this Mussolini show and a doc.

[Joe DeRosa]

Or like, it's a. It's a.

[Shane Gillis]

It's a scripted show.

[Joe DeRosa]

Who plays the moose?

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know. It's these. Some Italian guy. It was made in Italy.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

But of course, Europe is also, you know, 10 years behind us when it comes to, like, on the nose.

[Joe DeRosa]

Right.

[Shane Gillis]

Like, culturally.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

The last episode, he's like, I'm gonna make Italy great again. And you're like, oh, so Trump's a fascist. Okay. You just butt the whole show.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Lemaire]

Turn off.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm out.

[Lemaire]

Is it only like one season? Is this season two?

[Shane Gillis]

I'm not sure. I think it comes out weekly.

[Lemaire]

Okay.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, that's.

[Shane Gillis]

And I was kind of excited. I mean, they make him a bumbling idiot, which. Yeah, I doubt he was based on what he got done. They do that a lot with.

[Joe DeRosa]

With Mussolini, apparently. Was kind of a putz.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay.

[Joe DeRosa]

I mean, that's like the. The. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

But you ever see him give a speech?

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, it's good swag. Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Swag out the wazoo. People give Hitler a lot of credit for speeches. Check out the moose. The pauses, the arm crosses, the.

[Lemaire]

Oh, is Mussolini the guy who plucked the chicken during a meeting or.

[Shane Gillis]

I never heard that one.

[Joe DeRosa]

Really?

[Lemaire]

I can't remember who, but it was a story about somebody being.

[Shane Gillis]

Got chicken on the brain.

[Joe DeRosa]

No.

[Shane Gillis]

Second chicken talk. You got chicken on the br.

[Joe DeRosa]

The.

[Shane Gillis]

Not interracial. What is. Is Mussolini plucking a chicken?

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

Well, man.

[Shane Gillis]

It'S like a metaphor or something. It's a political cartoon. Nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

Did you find anything for the movie? I can't find it.

[Shane Gillis]

It's hard to.

[Joe DeRosa]

That. I got AI'd. God, you may. Damn, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

But they could also be.

[Joe DeRosa]

There's things he said a long time ago. It also might have been old. There was like, one from 2015 where he kind of says what you said in a different way. Maybe that's what it was.

[Shane Gillis]

I would imagine, as a politician, go out of your way to avoid saying I'm a lot like Adolf Hitler. Yeah, you think?

[Lemaire]

I mean, that used to be a bad thing.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, used to be rough. Now that thing about make Italy great again, that. That kind of stupid fucking winky thing that ruined Skull island for me. Kong, Skull Island.

[Shane Gillis]

What happened there?

[Joe DeRosa]

It takes place in the 60s. And the first line, a taxi pulls up in front of, like, I don't know, some fucking. The cap, some state building or something. And John Goodman goes, there's two dudes in the back of the car. And John Goodman goes, my boy, we are entering the strangest decade of politics this country will ever see. And it was like, right when Trump got it and I was like, off.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Like, you know, like, it's just. It's. I hate, like, that letting your politics.

[Shane Gillis]

Come into the King Kong movie. I'm trying to watch.

[Lemaire]

Dude. American King Kong. They ruined Godzilla for me because they did.

[Joe DeRosa]

The running Godzilla sucked.

[Lemaire]

Oh, my God, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Zero was fucking sick. Yeah, the Japanese one.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wait, that's. Yeah, that's from. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's. That's classic Godzilla.

[Lemaire]

I'm talking King Kong, Godzilla, Forbidden Kingdom or whatever.

[Shane Gillis]

If you went into that thinking that was going to be good, the bag's on you. You're an adult, man.

[Lemaire]

The guy, King Kong had a mecha arm. Godzilla was running. The whole world's in flames. It's crazy.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, once they got into that, too.

[Shane Gillis]

That like the last straw for you?

[Lemaire]

That was literally the last straw. Godzilla doesn't run, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

When they did the, like, world between worlds thing where, like, King Kong lives in that weird other, I was like, this is idiotic. I met the kid a couple times that directed every single one of those movies. He must be stacking coin right now. I mean, Jesus Christ, they make like $400 million. At least. @ least they got Chinese.

[Shane Gillis]

People must go nuts when they see those. They probably huge hits in China. Matt's gone. I'll be reading on behalf of Matt. Okay, Matt. Okay, Okay. A quick break from the show for a special segment called More or Less Football Edition, and it's brought to you by Prize picks. Right, so Shane and I are going to be presented with three player picks and decide together whether we should go more or less each pick. Shane. So who's looking sharp and who's just like a pedestrian on the field? Yeah, Matt, this is what we're thinking. Prize picks this week. Let's choose more or less each of the following picks. A.J. brown, more or less than 55 receiving yards. I'm going more, more. He's he's been getting. He's not getting a lot of touches. He's starting to complain. They're going to force the ball to him. More than 55 yards receiving.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'll go less since you guys want more. Okay, mix it up, Cam.

[Shane Gillis]

Scatter. Boo. More or less than 0.5 rushing touchdowns. You think he's going to score or not?

[Joe DeRosa]

I love the name. I'm going to say more.

[Shane Gillis]

I like it, too. He's got a bit of a star war there.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Josh Allen, more or less. 228 passing yards. You got to go more. The guy's a gunslinger.

[Lemaire]

Okay, Shane, I'm going to say I'd go less. Last week, I picked him and he went under.

[Shane Gillis]

Same thing. How about that? Wow. All right, so that's our take. Now it's time to lock in the doors. Prospects don't just stand your fave. Stand on business. Win real money with your best takes, whether it's touchdown passes, receptions. Take your more or less pick on their stat projections to cash in this season. Here, you read from that there. Second paragraph up. Yeah, it's small. It's not that easy.

[Lemaire]

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[Shane Gillis]

The bag's on me. It was a great read. The man prize picks. It's good to be right, man. I'll tell you what I'm mad about. Bad bunnies doing the halftime show.

[Lemaire]

That's good.

[Shane Gillis]

Pissing me, though. Of course. Of course. Who gives a. It's very funny to me that people were upset about that. Oh, every once in the right. The right gets it. So wrong with what? They're outraged. Everybody's outraged about everything, obviously. But when it's like, dude, don't lose on this one.

[Joe DeRosa]

Why are they mad about?

[Shane Gillis]

I think it's because. It's because he doesn't speak any. Speak English from China, watch football. And my point was, last year's halftime show was barely intelligible. Maybe that was for China. Bing, bop, boom, bing.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude, you hate Kendrick.

[Shane Gillis]

No, I don't hate Kendrick.

[Joe DeRosa]

Stop hating.

[Shane Gillis]

We don't have to talk.

[Lemaire]

Kendrick, do the halftime show.

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Lemaire]

Didn't Shakira do the halftime show before? Yeah, what are they mad about?

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jack Jackson whipped her tits out on it.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that's a Rock.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. It was great, man.

[Lemaire]

That was a pivotal moment in, like, American history. Like, for TV and stuff.

[Joe DeRosa]

That was considered, like, now it'd be nothing. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Could have sworn she had a sticky. Over her nipple.

[Joe DeRosa]

She did like a. She had it like a p. It was. I think it was pierced and she had this big thing, like, almost like a vote for me pin covering her whole nipple. You know what I mean?

[Lemaire]

But it wasn't pasty.

[Joe DeRosa]

It wasn't that crazy.

[Shane Gillis]

It wasn't that crazy. Also, why'd they pretend it was like. When they were. Like. It was a wardrobe malfunction.

[Joe DeRosa]

I remember when they tried to.

[Shane Gillis]

Clearly, it was like a pose. He, like, ripped it off and they both went.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. It's wild the way they would just lie about shit. It's. You know, and just. Let's see if they buy it. The wardrobe malfunction.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, they bought it. Yeah, they're gonna buy it.

[Joe DeRosa]

That she got, like. She was, like, in trouble for a long time. I remember that. Yeah.

[Lemaire]

Was that the first live TV titty drop?

[Shane Gillis]

I feel like. But that was a. What's that called? A thing on the nipple?

[Lemaire]

The pasty.

[Shane Gillis]

A pasty.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, I remember Sable used to break those.

[Lemaire]

Sable will break out the pasties all the time.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. WWF had some nips.

[Lemaire]

Yeah. Nips the cat. Terry Runnels. Don't get me started, Jacqueline. Don't get me started.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm gonna get you started.

[Joe DeRosa]

I think that was the first ever. I think. I think for. Right.

[Lemaire]

Yeah. Live tv. Trippy drop. That had to be the first one.

[Shane Gillis]

That was a pretty big one. I remember me and my friends went nuts in my basement. Everyone just went, ah. Kids were standing on the couch. We were fired up.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's when Timberlake was the May. Like, he was like. He's still awesome. But that. He was like.

[Shane Gillis]

You remind me of Timberlake.

[Joe DeRosa]

Why is that?

[Shane Gillis]

Just like a smooth operator. Slick.

[Joe DeRosa]

You about to say something mean.

[Shane Gillis]

No, that's it.

[Joe DeRosa]

You. Yeah, yeah. Genuine compliment. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You remind me of Justin Timberlake. You're both smooth operators and you're slick. And I feel like you can beatbox.

[Joe DeRosa]

I can't beatbox.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, you thought about it.

[Joe DeRosa]

But I was an all right rapper.

[Shane Gillis]

You're a good rapper.

[Joe DeRosa]

It was a decent rapper at one point. You know, I haven't done it in a long time. Sometimes I still write little rhymes in my head. Oh, my God, I wish I was a rat.

[Shane Gillis]

Give me. Give me some bars.

[Joe DeRosa]

I can't remember anything right now. No. And I honestly am trying to Try to remember something.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay. Please, because that would be big for me.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I think everyone would have. Would be very happy to hear you spit some bars.

[Lemaire]

Drew had a bean.

[Joe DeRosa]

I know.

[Shane Gillis]

It still does.

[Lemaire]

You still have a band? Damn.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. No. Yeah. Southern bands. Yeah. Salsa Windfall. Yeah. Our new record comes out in a couple months.

[Lemaire]

Oh, sick.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah, it's done. Yeah. And then we're gonna. We're gonna run and do shows and stuff. That's fun, man. I love doing that. But, yeah, the rapping, not so much anymore.

[Shane Gillis]

It's a young man's game.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's a young man's game. It's. It's. It's a different level of commitment. Yeah. Rapping's like being a comic. It's like you have to be a rapper. You know what I mean? Like, you have to. It's. It's an everyday thing. It's not. You know, not to say that being in a band isn't. But it's a little more. It's a little more lax for whatever reason. But. But there's something about rapping because it's a solo. It's a solo act. It's. That's why I said it's like being a comic. It's like constantly.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's a solo.

[Joe DeRosa]

What do you got in the battle? You know what I mean?

[Shane Gillis]

Have you ever rap battled?

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, I used to do it all the time.

[Shane Gillis]

That must have been so gay. Where's that? Where can I get that footage? Holy shit.

[Joe DeRosa]

We used to freestyle. We used to freestyle battles when I was in college at parties and people like.

[Shane Gillis]

Don't you have any regrets? No, I would regret that so much.

[Joe DeRosa]

Why? College party. I was pretty good at it. No, people liked it. Like, the party we get. I got chicks from doing it and stuff.

[Shane Gillis]

It was, you know, they saw that Timberlake.

[Joe DeRosa]

They saw that Timberlake, you smooth oper. You want this Timberlake. Timberlake the Moose. That's my rap. Timber. Like the Moose.

[Shane Gillis]

That's actually a great nickname.

[Lemaire]

Tim Lake the Moose.

[Joe DeRosa]

The. Should we talk about our new nicknames?

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, you can try. There it is. Tried to bait me with my. Because Joe. All right, first off, you're calling me the Hut.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, but explain why. But, dude, the what?

[Shane Gillis]

But, dude, it's literally laid up like hut.

[Joe DeRosa]

I don't. I don't. Hold on, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

That's a Hut.

[Joe DeRosa]

I don't do his bidding.

[Shane Gillis]

I said Joe. I said Joe looked exactly like Salacious Crumb from Star Wars. And if you look at Salacious Crumb, especially Salacious crumb with his legs crossed, sitting. And that. Joe's salacious crumb.

[Joe DeRosa]

And I said, yeah. And I said, shane's job.

[Shane Gillis]

And then he went low and called me.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's not. It's not a body joke. I'm just saying, you're the hut dude. Like, look at crumb in the hut. Tell me it's not me and Shane.

[Shane Gillis]

Hanging out at a bar.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'll happily sit at this man's legs.

[Shane Gillis]

And drink as the crumb dude just is derosa. It's like, dude, you know what salacious chrome underworld creature? I didn't know he had a name either. I was just like, dude, you look like Jabba's friend. And he was like, he knows Star Wars. He was like, oh, sl is cr.

[Joe DeRosa]

As soon as you said it, I.

[Shane Gillis]

Was, bro, we got to get that.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's us kicking.

[Shane Gillis]

All right, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. That's a good one, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

You love just sitting up there.

[Shane Gillis]

I'll take hut.

[Joe DeRosa]

Playing with everybody's emotions in the room.

[Shane Gillis]

Tony is obviously C3PO. It's not even close.

[Joe DeRosa]

Tony might be laying. Dude. Tony might be laying.

[Shane Gillis]

The bikini beezer is Bib Fortuna 100%.

[Joe DeRosa]

Beezer's Bib Fortuna 100,000%.

[Lemaire]

Who Saboba?

[Shane Gillis]

Which one's that?

[Lemaire]

He's the. He's the one who gave Anakin.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's gotta be all Jabba's palace, though.

[Lemaire]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe DeRosa]

Everybody else from there out. Everybody else is too cool.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's tough not to. You can't give someone a cool.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, Nobody gets to be like Boba Fett. Yeah, it's too cool. Yeah.

[Lemaire]

Who's the rancor? Is that in Mayor?

[Shane Gillis]

Is the warthog the warthog guard.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no.

[Shane Gillis]

Lamar's the pig guard.

[Joe DeRosa]

There's the blue dude that plays the keyboards.

[Shane Gillis]

That's a cool one, though.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, it's not.

[Shane Gillis]

Look at the blue, I think. Yeah, that's cool. But look at the. Can you do me a kindness and look up the pig guard. The pig guard at Jabba's Dallas. It's got a bit of maze in there, but that. That guard's a little pushy. I don't think Lemaire is very pushy.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, that's what I'm saying. He's the keyboard player.

[Shane Gillis]

Keyboard player is very close, but the pig guard. Yeah, let me take a look at that guard.

[Lemaire]

Can't see the band plays good music.

[Shane Gillis]

That does have mezzy written all over it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Who is it?

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, I like the keyboard.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'll tell you, I think pig guard is. I think. I think that's o'. Connor. Conor would love to shove a dude against the wall.

[Shane Gillis]

You know who Tommy is? I know. It's. It's on Tatooine, though. It's. What's his name? The guy's like, I don't like you. That's Tommy. Just get his arm cut off right away. That's a. Dudes drunk like you, dude.

[Lemaire]

Did he say, I don't like you? My friend doesn't like you either.

[Joe DeRosa]

I got the death toll on 38 systems. Yeah, Nate's a tough one. Yeah.

[Lemaire]

Swing Lando is Jawa.

[Joe DeRosa]

Could it be Nate might be a fucking Jawa.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, no, he's an Ewok, bro.

[Joe DeRosa]

Now it's got to be tattooing. We got to keep it near Jawa's palate. Jawa.

[Shane Gillis]

All right, Tony, what are you looking at? Jawas. Nate kind of looks like an Ewok a little.

[Joe DeRosa]

All right.

[Shane Gillis]

It. Yeah, it's. My bad, my bad.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, Nate's. Nate's Warwick the Ewok. Wicked. I mean, wicked the Ewok. Yeah. It. Dude. We'll fly you to Jabba's palace. Who's. All right, Tony's three po.

[Shane Gillis]

Definitely.

[Joe DeRosa]

Who's Leia then?

[Shane Gillis]

Can't give him a hot babe.

[Joe DeRosa]

No. Unless you give it to a dude's. Kyla is a bad mouth chick. Chick with a bad attitude.

[Shane Gillis]

I hear you. You excited for Red October?

[Joe DeRosa]

What's Red October? Is it a video game?

[Shane Gillis]

Let's go. No, Phil's dude fighting.

[Lemaire]

Phil's fighting Phil.

[Joe DeRosa]

Well, fill me in. You know I don't watch sports.

[Shane Gillis]

We gotta buy. Which could be a problem. The playoffs start.

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, they're going to playoffs?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'll go to those games.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. I'm gonna go Monday.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jesus, it's October. I'm like. I'm like. Think of this as like months away.

[Shane Gillis]

No, it's September. You almost have me. It is October next week.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, it's October tomorrow.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I guess tomorrow.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Jesus Christ.

[Lemaire]

Dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

Is that right?

[Shane Gillis]

This is a crazy podcast. We're just. This is a regular conversation.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Do you. Do you want to. Do you want to get onto a specific time?

[Shane Gillis]

No, I don't give a.

[Joe DeRosa]

At all.

[Shane Gillis]

I feel like this is good. I like the Star Wars.

[Lemaire]

I've been watching Everybody Loves Raymond.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay.

[Lemaire]

It was good. Dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude, I started watching it recently, too. Airtight, man.

[Shane Gillis]

It's great. Every episode I'm like, how cool is Ray Romano?

[Joe DeRosa]

He's awesome.

[Shane Gillis]

He's, like, the coolest.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

When he. Whenever he comes to the Cellar, it's like, God damn. Yeah, it's just a cool.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

He's sitting there, he's watching sports. He's like, who you got on this? You got the over, the under. I'm like, that's awesome.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's awesome. Dude, that got better looking in his, like, 60s.

[Shane Gillis]

I never thought of that.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, he's like, I didn't sexualize him when I saw. I sexualize everybody.

[Shane Gillis]

That's fair. That's why you're jt, dude. That's why you got that Timberlake. Timberlake. The Moose, dude. You're salacious. Chrome. That's the chrome left.

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, the vile, horrendous crumb, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Vile, horrendous, salacious crumb. Yeah, but that's. Nobody has the juice like United States of America.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no, it's.

[Shane Gillis]

It's salacious crumb, obviously. That's good juice, right? Vile, horrendous, great juice.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

No one's just like, I'm going to write this down and send it to the paper and name the country.

[Joe DeRosa]

I mean, it's. It is. It is fucking wild. I want to find out. I'd like to find out who this Republican guy is.

[Shane Gillis]

I think it is Thomas Paine. It's just pure speculation because it was just a humble man, dude. That's why he's Republicans. He's going, I don't need any glory for this. This is for the Republic.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Lemaire]

But wait, how do you get in the paper?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, because. Thomas Payne.

[Joe DeRosa]

What other things from the doc can you reveal?

[Shane Gillis]

It's. It's just standard. There's nothing too. It gets into Benedict Arnold, which is exciting because he was kind of the man.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

Until he wasn't.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

But he was. He was like, a little climber, though. He was good at his job, but he was a climber. Okay, so he get. Anytime he got passed over, he would start bitching and. Yeah, okay. But it was stuff I kind of knew already. Like, he was. He was the hero at Ticonderoga.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

So he. People don't know. Like, yes, he. He was like a war hero. He was like a big deal. Before he.

[Joe DeRosa]

Before he switched sides, what was his official turncoat moment?

[Shane Gillis]

I'm not sure. I think he sold or gave British intel on how to get past West Point. The fort. I think he gave the fort up. I could be wrong.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

I haven't got that far. But I remember in. I read the book Lafayette, who was the man, too. He was like. That was kind of the only time he ever saw George Washington, like, break down. Because Washington, like, liked this guy.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

And when he got. He got to West Point, and they were like, arnold's gone. Just like, oh. He started, like, sobbing. He was like, no. Oh, boy. Something like that. That's the story I took from it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Did you ever eat at that restaurant in New York where Washington took his men before the battle of Valley Forge?

[Shane Gillis]

No.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's in Phi Die. You know that. You know that area of Fi Di where it's, like, the cobblestone street and there's all the bars? It's right down there. That's steakhouse. Yeah. Yeah. And he took his. Isn't that. It's so wild. Like, it. Yeah. They were like. They were treating it like they were, like, about to shoot a movie or something. Like, it was big dinner. They all get cocked up, and then they're like, all right, we gotta go fight tomorrow. Yeah, It's. It was like, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

This weird drink they were drinking back then.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

He made sure his boys all got whiskey and rum.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, it was rum. And then everybody got a cup of their. Their rations where you got a cup of whiskey every day. Every soldier.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

And then he was like, if the rations were low, we'll rum at first, and then we'll switch to whiskey if we run out of rum. The boys were a little. They were loose, dude. It was for freedom. A couple brewskis before you go shoot some red coats.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You have to be also, you know. You know what fired me out? There's a part where. So obviously the revolution starts in Massachusetts, and then they're trying to rally the rest of the colonies to be like, help us out. And then. So, like, Virginia. That's why they get Washington, because he was the. He was a Virginian. So they want to bring the whole. All the colonies in. But then when Pennsylvania and, like, South Carolina and North Carolina start joining in, and then it's just such a. Like, it was. It was a true melting pot, you know? I mean, but it's talking about how, like, just frontiersmen from Pennsylvania started rolling in and hanging out with all these New England.

[Joe DeRosa]

Right.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like, dang. That's pretty sick.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And they were like, these guys are a problem. They were like. Like, the British were like, oh, they got the retarded guys.

[Joe DeRosa]

Pa was always a problem.

[Shane Gillis]

Pa was a problem. Pa. Anybody that was, like, out. Appalachia was where the country stopped.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

Like, past that was like, native land. And there were people out there fighting. So these guys had been fighting for 40 years.

[Joe DeRosa]

See, this is the. I wish, I wish they're just I could retain. I, I, this is. It's impressive to me that you have.

[Shane Gillis]

This Trappers and working now like survivalists. So they knew how to live on the land, like with no food and.

[Joe DeRosa]

Right.

[Shane Gillis]

So all of a sudden you got all these like freaks coming out of the woods. You're just some queer from London.

[Joe DeRosa]

I have a real. This is a serious question from watching all that stuff and whatever, do you feel like you have like some working knowledge of survival skills?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, my God, no.

[Joe DeRosa]

If you got trapped in woods.

[Shane Gillis]

I struggle with scrambled eggs.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'll tell you. Got to get a coffee maker.

[Shane Gillis]

Somebody was like. If somebody was like, make me pancakes, I'd be like, who? You could get me instant pancake mix and everything that I need. And I'd be like, oh, this is gonna be tough.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I have no survival skills.

[Joe DeRosa]

Pancakes are tough. I could teach you how tough. But they're tough. You know the trick to flipping a pancake?

[Shane Gillis]

What is it?

[Joe DeRosa]

When the top part is all bubbled, when you see like all the little holes in it, that's when you know it's ready to keep that in mind. Yeah, but pancakes are tough.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, I like a little raw pancake, dude.

[Lemaire]

A little cakey pancake mind.

[Shane Gillis]

A little batter in there.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's gross.

[Shane Gillis]

I know it's gross. I'm not afraid to admit that.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's really gross.

[Shane Gillis]

Shut the fuck up.

[Joe DeRosa]

Thanks. For me, I think you get salmonella like that.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't give a fuck about salmonella. I'll never get Salmonella.

[Joe DeRosa]

The 22. I will never kill it.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude. I'm on Revolutionary War diet, dude. Glass of whiskey, eat a couple lemons.

[Joe DeRosa]

My gosh.

[Shane Gillis]

Whatever I can get my hands on.

[Joe DeRosa]

I was talking to McCann, James McCann about the road and just hating the road.

[Shane Gillis]

And yeah, it was funny. He, I talked to him about it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know how you've been doing it like this. I was like, yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

He goes, he goes. You take Shaney, he's got his routine. He gets up, he has his 20 beers. He does the show.

[Shane Gillis]

That's how you do it, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Star Bleezies. Look at this fucking thing that Lemaire got.

[Shane Gillis]

Of course.

[Joe DeRosa]

Thanks, Gardine.

[Lemaire]

It's going to be good, dude. It's. You could take it. I mean, if you want.

[Joe DeRosa]

Nice immunity defense. Drink. Doesn't hurt. Doesn't hurt.

[Lemaire]

Fixing it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Look at this. Abomination.

[Lemaire]

This is good.

[Joe DeRosa]

Look at that, dude.

[Lemaire]

This is good stuff.

[Shane Gillis]

He doesn't drink coffee. He drinks. You give him lemonade every morning.

[Joe DeRosa]

What?

[Shane Gillis]

And then he runs around. And then he runs around.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's coconut milk. It's strawberry.

[Shane Gillis]

It's the Zoomies after that.

[Lemaire]

Strawberry, Coconut milk.

[Shane Gillis]

I have to yell at him to get off the couch. You're not supposed to be up there, but that's all right.

[Lemaire]

Dude, I miss her.

[Shane Gillis]

Way you can lay on the couch there.

[Lemaire]

Miss Sarah Palin. She was fucking cool, I'm sure. Yeah, she was cool as hell.

[Joe DeRosa]

She's still hot.

[Lemaire]

Yeah, yeah. She's just older now, you know.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Lemaire]

I would. Respectfully. Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Lemaire]

Very much respectfully.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah. She was banging, dude. Yeah, those McCain years. Yeah, she was.

[Shane Gillis]

She was so hot.

[Joe DeRosa]

Banging, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, she kind of blew it right by talking. She kind of blew it a little crazy. The Republicans were like, we need a female vice president, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

By the end of that. By the end of that election, McCain was like. Like, he was just like. You could.

[Shane Gillis]

You could see he was at fucking JT Realmuto. When that. You see that? When that fat pitch runs out of the bullpen, it's incredible. And then the catcher for the Phillies sees so this big. He's not that fat. He's like a chubby guy. Comes sprinting out of the bullpen. And then the camera cussed the catcher who's standing there, and he just goes. The guy's gassed. He's out of breath at the mound. He can't catch his breath. He gives up a homer and they get him off the field.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude, what's the clip where the guys are in the pen and they're yelling at the Empire's call, and the coach just going, he's a gun.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, I never saw.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, he's a cut. He's screaming it. Dude, it's from like the 80s, early 90s. I'm like, a TV camera caught that.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Like, people didn't have iPhones. There was some camera guy recording this. It would suck.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, baseball, when they spaz, it's the best. Oh, who is it? Is it Tommy Lasorda with the best.

[Joe DeRosa]

Whatever.

[Shane Gillis]

When he's like, my ass is in the jackpot if I don't get you out of here.

[Lemaire]

Tommy, Tommy.

[Shane Gillis]

You know my ass is in a jackpot right now.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wait, I thought you were going to talk about the radio interview, which I won, where they're like, they said you might. It's the sort. It's after a game, dude. It's on AM radio, so it's going out live. They're interviewing him after a game. Clearly, they must have lost. He's in a mood. And they go, we heard you were going to trade so and so for Bobby Baklava or something.

[Shane Gillis]

He goes.

[Joe DeRosa]

He goes, let me tell you something about that sucker. Bobby Baklava couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. You told me, I'm going to bring you on my team. Let's be out of your mind, dude. It's. He just loses it, dude. Lose.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Baseball spazzes are nuts.

[Joe DeRosa]

They're the best.

[Shane Gillis]

They lose their mind. More than football, the best spazzes are.

[Joe DeRosa]

Baseball and then Bobby Knight basketball spazzes.

[Shane Gillis]

Bobby Knight basketball. Tossing a chair across the court. Hilarious. Joking a player, white guy. It's basically white boy spazzes. True white boy rage.

[Lemaire]

Spaz.

[Joe DeRosa]

Did you ever see the Jim Belushi when he was on SNL when he was a cast member? It's from the 80s when he's doing the chess coach, but he's doing it like, Bobby Knight high school chess coach. And he's kicking the chairs and he's like, come on, you call that a rook to ball?

[Shane Gillis]

That's awesome.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, it's really funny.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, Bobby was good. I think he choked the player to practice, which was great.

[Lemaire]

You can't choke players anymore, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

You couldn't even choke players back then. They were. They were really upset about it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. The Bobby Knights things, the things where he's in the press because he hates reporters so much. There's one where a lady asks him a question. He goes, well, let me tell you something. And I love speaking to a person whose job is one step below prostitution.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's fire at these people.

[Shane Gillis]

That's nice. Yeah, it's the best, I think. Yeah. Baseball has number one spazzes.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Why is that? It's such a soothing game. And it's like they're out on the.

[Shane Gillis]

Mountain, out of nowhere. A guy's kicking dirt at somebody.

[Joe DeRosa]

Tommy, my ass is in a jackpot.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, I gotta do this chest to chest. Every time they yell umpire.

[Joe DeRosa]

Mass grab is always great.

[Shane Gillis]

Insane.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's.

[Shane Gillis]

It's out of nowhere.

[Joe DeRosa]

I guess.

[Shane Gillis]

You're out there for 180 games. You're. You've been gone from home for six months. It's August.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Double header in Cincinnati.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. You're sweating your ass off.

[Shane Gillis]

Some umps just fucking you.

[Joe DeRosa]

I gotta be honest, I don't know that I've ever seen a Football spaz.

[Shane Gillis]

There's been some good ones. They've happened, I'm sure, but there's been some good ones. There's a. You get a good spaz when the. When the reporter interviews the coach right before halftime. You know. You know how they do that?

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Like, when the team's head of the locker room, they're like, what. What difference. What changes do you have to make on offense to get this thing going? The guy's just like, the players are.

[Joe DeRosa]

Out there trying their hardest, and the coaches are it up.

[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

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[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

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[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

I did not.

[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

Who?

[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

She could have hopped in.

[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

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[Shane Gillis]

That's good.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Shane Gillis]

Lemaire, can you give us a time that somebody taught you how to celebrate small wins and provide a safe space for you to cry and unload?

[Lemaire]

Me? I know.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, you're about to.

[Joe DeRosa]

You can share.

[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

Well.

[Lemaire]

The dead girlfriend, she told me that, like, every time you see somebody you don't know, who's like, nice, you gotta go, you gotta mention it. That's it. That's.

[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

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[Shane Gillis]

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[Joe DeRosa]

Hey, folks, thanks for. Ha.

[Shane Gillis]

You got it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Listen, buddy, that's good. Thanks for having me on the show.

[Shane Gillis]

No, thanks for doing it, man. I know you notice, and that's a tough seat to fill.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, I know. McCusker's a good man.

[Shane Gillis]

One of the best.

[Joe DeRosa]

Bunny man. One of the best. But thank you for having me. I. I got the San Francisco Punchline all weekend. Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. Come on out, let's have some fun. And my special, I never promised you a rose garden is on my YouTube, which is @ Joe De Rosa comedy. Please go check that out if you haven't yet and smash that. Subscribe.

[Shane Gillis]

Don't subscribe. Also, I. That. You remember we met at a punchline. Well, no, we didn't meet there. I opened for you at the Philadelphia Punchline and a guy spit on you in the front row.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Anyway, what were you doing?

[Joe DeRosa]

We talked about it when I was talking about.

[Lemaire]

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[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that's good stuff.

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, yeah. You know What? Also sorry, one. One other plug. Cause this is hometown Phoenixville, Pennsylvania. I'm headlining the Colonial Theater on Bridge Street, December 20th for Home for the holidays. It's called big Christmas show.

[Shane Gillis]

Go to shanemgillis.com I'm gonna do Baltimore, Vegas, San Francisco, Sacrament, Phoenix, Boise, Portland, and then Madison Square. Gadding. Fuck you, Nate. Let's get back to the show.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's awesome. I. I don't watch sports at all, but I. I will frequently look up sports spaz. Sports meltdown. Like they're it. Nothing like a good. Oh, wait, we talked about this last time. Nothing like a good meltdown on camera. We talked about comedy ones last night.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lemaire]

You ever watch like super Smash Brothers, like professional players meltdowns?

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, a gamer. Meltdowns must be number one.

[Lemaire]

Dude, it's crazy. Yeah, they go nuts. Like one get. No, that was a. Yeah, those are shooters, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, those are. Yeah, they're A couple pills away from pulling a trigger on someone.

[Lemaire]

Like I need this.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. 12 year old kid smashing his keyboard.

[Shane Gillis]

Soda hit the meltdown on you, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's how we started talking about this last night.

[Shane Gillis]

Literally my favorite.

[Joe DeRosa]

You pulled out. I just start trying.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't like bringing it up. I don't like bringing it up because Danny, I mean I bring it up constantly but Danny, we love you but yeah, Dan's the best.

[Joe DeRosa]

I got Dan so mad when we were. They were playing nc.

[Shane Gillis]

You didn't understand. You didn't understand the context. I know we just got the game. Me, it's me and him. It's our favorite thing. Like I used to go to his house. We played together. We had a dynasty. I ran offense, he ran defense. It was. It was a glorious time. And then the game reboots and we get it back for the first time in 10 years. So he comes to Philly to play it with meat him and you guys.

[Joe DeRosa]

Did like a gig. Like it was like yeah, it was.

[Shane Gillis]

Her EA Sports and it was like I beat him the first couple. I was just killing him. And then the one game he was winning the salacious. My minion comes in and starts doing my bidding. Just sat on the couch next to me. It was like, yeah, Dan. I was like, yeah, of course your guys can. You guys are holding on to every block my guys can't block for. And you were like, like, yeah, it does seem like the guys on dance team are better at blocking. He was just like, shut the up.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Then he blew a 14 or 17 point lead and missed an extra point and lost. Yeah, just bad.

[Joe DeRosa]

And I said something. He went like this. He went derosa.

[Shane Gillis]

He's a number one video game sped punches the table.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude, I remember we were watching the Niners and the Eagles play.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, this is so good.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jay's house. No, this isn't the. The.

[Shane Gillis]

Well that one.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. It's not the one where he texted me and said if I was in the room with you right now, I'd punch you in the face.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, you don't understand sports. Dude. The Niners are losing in the NFC championship to the Eagles. And this in the group text like, yeah, the Niners look like it was.

[Joe DeRosa]

When the Niners start the fight on the. And I go, I go, I remember when this was a game. A bunch of bums out on this field today. If I was in the room with you, I'd punch you in the face. You're a little girl.

[Shane Gillis]

Couldn't agree more with Dan. If Notre Dame was losing a game, and one of my friends that doesn't watch sports was like, they suck. They're assholes.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jay was cracking up because it was. It was. Yeah, no, one time we were. We were. The three of us were watching as me, Jay, and Soda at Jay's house in New York. And the Niners were losing, and Dan was all like, okay, okay, man. Okay, okay. All we did, we got to get it back. We got to run up the field, you know, I go, it's not going to happen, Dan. They're not good enough.

[Shane Gillis]

You're the crumb, dude. You're the salacious. That would fucking kill me. Yeah, I'd be furious. I can tell. I would get dark red face immediately if you said that. I would feel my cheeks get red and I'd be like, I don't even care. I'd give it about five seconds. I go, dude, shut the fuck up.

[Joe DeRosa]

I get. Listen, I swear to God, that's how I get when somebody says, like, you know, if somebody's like. I remember I got that mad at Bill because. Because Burr said the Empire Strikes Back and Star wars don't hold up as movies. And I got as mad as you're talking at him about that, and I was like, you know what the you're talking about, dude? You don't you think. Oh, you saw it too. Shut the up, dude. You know, I. I like, literally get that.

[Lemaire]

Which one's the Empire Strike Back?

[Joe DeRosa]

Is that the second one? Second when Han gets frozen.

[Shane Gillis]

It's on hot.

[Lemaire]

That's tough. That's a good one.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Empire, arguably number one.

[Lemaire]

It ended.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's the best one.

[Shane Gillis]

Almost inarguably number one, hands down to best one.

[Joe DeRosa]

And I might have end bad because.

[Shane Gillis]

What do they do?

[Lemaire]

They just play to the sequel. Wait, what happened at the end of the second Star Wars? It just plays to the sequel.

[Joe DeRosa]

What do you mean place to the sequel.

[Lemaire]

Like, it just ends. It's like a cliffhanger.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome, though.

[Lemaire]

That's gay.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude, I saw that movie in the theater as a kid. That was torturous, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

75.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, 80. It came out in 80. And then I think we saw like a re. You know, I was like five, I think. Yeah. But I was old enough to understand because I watched Star wars on TV and like, dude, it like that cliffhanger, it was. It was torturous.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. I was like, Lord of the Rings got me. I saw the first one. They just walked the whole time and it fucking ended. I was like, yeah, it was three hours. The next one's in fucking three years.

[Joe DeRosa]

I. Dude, I never read the next year. Yeah, I knew. I read the Hobbit, but I never read the Lord of the Rings. I thought the first book, they get to Mordor and they end it. And then the second movie was a different story. And I was like, wait, what the. Like that realization of there's two more movies of them going to Mordor. And I was, I was. I don't know if I got this.

[Shane Gillis]

Kind of how I felt about Dune 1.

[Joe DeRosa]

It wasn't for me.

[Shane Gillis]

Dune ended and I was like, oh, he killed like one guy. Dunes. All right, though. Dune 2 picks up.

[Joe DeRosa]

I didn't like the first one. I wasn't feeling the first one.

[Shane Gillis]

Are you excited to see that new Leonardo movie?

[Joe DeRosa]

It looks pretty good.

[Shane Gillis]

The libs are loving it, so I'm sure you're gonna fucking jack off to it. I was really exc. Excited about it and I hope it's good. But so far everyone that has, like, been like, posting about it or like, hyped about it has been.

[Joe DeRosa]

I agree.

[Shane Gillis]

A Die Hard lib.

[Joe DeRosa]

I agree that it's. It's.

[Shane Gillis]

We'll see what it is when it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Gets rah rahed by a certain.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Percentage.

[Shane Gillis]

That's how movies get ruined.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, it's like.

[Shane Gillis]

That's why I went and saw Black Panther. This blows, dude. Everyone's just jacking off to it.

[Lemaire]

It's black James Bond. What is Black Panther? This is black James Bond the whole time.

[Shane Gillis]

No, it's not. How the is a James Bond?

[Lemaire]

He's in, he goes to Q, his sister, he gets all the tech, and then he goes solve the mysteries.

[Shane Gillis]

All right.

[Joe DeRosa]

I never thought of it like that.

[Lemaire]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Of course you didn't think.

[Joe DeRosa]

I think it's more like black Batman.

[Lemaire]

No, Batman stinks.

[Joe DeRosa]

What the are you talking about?

[Lemaire]

Batman sucks, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

What are you talking about?

[Lemaire]

Dude, I'm a Superman, man. Superman rules.

[Shane Gillis]

You guys love Superman rules. What are we talking about?

[Joe DeRosa]

I didn't say that.

[Lemaire]

He said that Batman ruined society. Batman sucks. Superman. We need more Superman.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wait, what do you mean Batman ruined society?

[Lemaire]

Dude, as soon as Batman Begins came out, everybody started being all like, dark and anti moral. They're like, I'm going to do what I need to do to get where I need to be, but there's nobody doing anything.

[Joe DeRosa]

Are you talking about.

[Lemaire]

I'm talking about morality, bro.

[Joe DeRosa]

You think Batman Begins ruined society?

[Lemaire]

Batman Begins started immorality. Culturally.

[Shane Gillis]

How?

[Lemaire]

I don't know. Do something about 2005. And Batman doesn't. Batman isn't caring. He doesn't care. He's. He started the billionaire worship culture actually a lot. Batman. Batman doesn't give a fuck, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

He sacrifices himself, dude, that means he doesn't care.

[Joe DeRosa]

He cares the most.

[Lemaire]

Batman is so much Batman selfish and he's a narcissist.

[Shane Gillis]

He's not out standing in front, everyone flying, going on Superman now. Do you keep Superman?

[Lemaire]

Superman doesn't fly. Superman's among the people he lives with. The people fly Superman. I'm sorry.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Lemaire]

Superman isn't flying around willy nilly.

[Shane Gillis]

He's flying through buildings like 911 every day.

[Lemaire]

He's not flying through buildings.

[Shane Gillis]

So many 911.

[Lemaire]

Because real Superman doesn't fly through buildings. That's just. That's just. That's just.

[Joe DeRosa]

I just watched the. The Pete Holmes did Batman fires the Justice League. They are the Superman one where he goes, let's have a toast. He pulls out these glasses and they're green. These would have to be kryptonite ice cubes. Would they be Batman? He goes, no, it's Asian green tea. He's like, why don't you take a sip first? He just goes.

[Shane Gillis]

Pete Holmes. Batmans are funny as.

[Joe DeRosa]

They're really funny. The lemaire. You're. You're. I don't know what you're talking about. Right. Batman is the most selfless man on earth. He, he. He doesn't live a playboy billionaire life. He doesn't enjoy his life because he's there for Gotham. He's given himself to the city.

[Shane Gillis]

Gotham?

[Lemaire]

Dude, I don't think so.

[Joe DeRosa]

At the end of the third one, he almost kills himself to save the entire city.

[Lemaire]

The city will be better without Batman. Only reasonable villains exist is because of Batman.

[Joe DeRosa]

I never realized. By the way, you guys know Dark Knight Returns or Rises? I mean, yeah, I remember when I first saw it, everybody said when Alfred sees him in the restaurant at the end in Italy, remember, Alfred goes, I have this fantasy where I see you. Yeah, I remember when I saw the movie, everybody was like, so wait, does Alfred really see him? Or is that just like he hopes that he will one day? And I was always like, well, I guess it's up for interpretation. But then I watched it again recently and I never caught the part where at the very end Morgan Freeman goes, the autopilot doesn't work on this. And they go, yes, it does. It was fixed by Bruce Wayne. And I was like, oh, oh, he autopiloted the ship and got out. Yeah, I never caught That I never caught that part.

[Shane Gillis]

You should see Morgan Freeman's Twitter.

[Joe DeRosa]

Why? What's funny?

[Shane Gillis]

It's just nuts.

[Joe DeRosa]

Why, what's he saying?

[Shane Gillis]

No, there's just somebody named Morgan J. Freeman that just is like ultra liberal. And I. For like two years, I thought it was Morgan Freeman. I was like, this guy's a. It's like Morgan Freeman.

[Joe DeRosa]

What's he saying? Does he pretend it's not Morgan Freeman?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's just a guy's name is Morgan J.

[Joe DeRosa]

But he's not like, he's not faking.

[Shane Gillis]

I was like, what the is Morgan Freeman talking about?

[Joe DeRosa]

Do you ever read the. Do you ever look on the James Woods Twitter?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I'll peep some James Fire.

[Joe DeRosa]

They'll be like, yeah, I guess. Cops are all bad. You fat pig. Sharpton. He goes hard there. Jesus Christ, man.

[Shane Gillis]

There are Batman's, dude, James Woods. We need somebody, dude. He's the cape crusader.

[Joe DeRosa]

We need him.

[Shane Gillis]

We need him in the. In the shadows, man. But you know what? Maybe I am racist. Yes. Dude, I wasn't gonna say it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jesus Christ, man.

[Lemaire]

I'm not for.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wait, did you like the new Superman movie?

[Lemaire]

Yeah, it was fun. It was nice. Superman was Superman, except for the fact.

[Joe DeRosa]

That he gets beat up at every scene.

[Lemaire]

Because here's the thing, he doesn't know who's in the suit. Superman has to temper his face.

[Joe DeRosa]

Everybody not in the suit. The lizard beats him up. The fucking. The dog saves him like eight times.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, he got beat up by a fucking lizard.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no, it's a giant like Godzilla.

[Shane Gillis]

Thing by a lizard.

[Joe DeRosa]

He gets knocked around, he kills that.

[Lemaire]

Superman gets knocked around, but he has to kill. He doesn't even kill that thing without exploding it. He knocks it unconscious.

[Shane Gillis]

No name look good, Arkansas. Notre Dame. Look up, Arkansas. So bad they destroyed the program. Everyone got fired.

[Joe DeRosa]

Really?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, no name went crazy on him.

[Joe DeRosa]

Nice.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Hey, how was that show with that?

[Shane Gillis]

It was. It was not ideal for standup, but it was a dream come true. It's kind of the. Probably the coolest thing I've ever done.

[Joe DeRosa]

Huh. How many people?

[Shane Gillis]

It's probably like 85,000.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jesus Christ.

[Shane Gillis]

Not ideal for stand up, but what.

[Joe DeRosa]

What does a laugh sound like in a. In an environment like that?

[Shane Gillis]

Well, I didn't run into too many laughs. A lot of families, a lot of people that were very confused going, who the is this guy? When's he going to start playing whatever instrument he's supposed to play? Walking around talking for.

[Joe DeRosa]

Talking about a Down syndrome, coffee shop.

[Shane Gillis]

Down syndrome and jacking Off.

[Joe DeRosa]

What the. That's so funny, man.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, shout out to them for letting me do that. The university. I didn't know what I was gonna.

[Joe DeRosa]

Say, but it was.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm sure they got some letters since then and I haven't. They haven't said anything to me, so that's nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

But it was more hit you. So you feel it was more his crowd than your crowd.

[Shane Gillis]

It was. I had a lot of people there for sure.

[Joe DeRosa]

Good.

[Shane Gillis]

I had a lot. Like, a lot of people were really. It was. It was cool.

[Joe DeRosa]

Good.

[Shane Gillis]

It was cool. But there were definitely people there. There that had no idea who I was and did not see the billing or did see the billing and were like, this must be a country singer that I've never heard of.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'm just like, your name does sound like a country singer.

[Shane Gillis]

He's just. Yeah, he's just talking for the first 10. He'll pick up something. He's probably really good. This guy's funny for a musician.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. The. You, you. You have a country singer's name. Shane Gillis sounds like a country singer.

[Shane Gillis]

I think you can do that with any name. Joe Derosa doesn't sounds like Ponderosa. It sounds exactly like a western. Hey, folks, I'm Joe Derosa.

[Joe DeRosa]

Does it have the same ring?

[Shane Gillis]

It does. You got a country. That's what you need to get in the country instead of hip hop. Have you thought of the bars yet? Because I'm gonna need those before the end of this desperately.

[Joe DeRosa]

Sometimes I would write lyrics, like, in my head for rappers I was a fan of.

[Shane Gillis]

All right, give me an example.

[Joe DeRosa]

So, like, I wrote a too short lyric in my head once. I was ready to hear too short. Go. Cause one thing I learned about being a Mac treat a girl bad. The dumb bitch comes back. That was my too short lyric that I wrote.

[Shane Gillis]

It's pretty good.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, you could hear two shorts saying it, couldn't you?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing to be ashamed of there.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, Nate's fucking feeling it. Not in a bad way, but it was way better than I thought was going to be.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it was definitely not like great, but it was also.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's two shirts.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was real bad.

[Lemaire]

I thought you were possessed by two show for a second.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. I actually felt like my two shirt impression wasn't that bad for a first attempt.

[Shane Gillis]

No, it was good. I mean, you've been thinking about it for 30 years, just bouncing around in there. You finally let it out.

[Joe DeRosa]

You can move on about 30.

[Lemaire]

Do you have another one. Can you be like a Nas?

[Joe DeRosa]

Sometimes I write little raps in my head about comedians I hate, and I'm like, oh, that would be ideal song about comedians and not look like an idiot. There's no way of doing it. Not look like an idiot. Absolute idiot.

[Shane Gillis]

Some decent ones. Whatever.

[Joe DeRosa]

Just come out. Just rip everybody crack.

[Shane Gillis]

Amigo would bury you. Dude can't step into his lane.

[Joe DeRosa]

Cracks crack, goes hard. Goes real hard.

[Shane Gillis]

Sag is good too.

[Joe DeRosa]

Sago is very good. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Saga sounds like a rapper you would love.

[Joe DeRosa]

Like Sagalo sounds very good. And it's serious rap. It's not funny. Yeah, yeah, he's good. He's good.

[Shane Gillis]

You ever think of any good raps?

[Lemaire]

No, I'm not a rapper. That's my trade, though.

[Shane Gillis]

Outside of stand up, what would you do creatively to express your. Your inner darkness?

[Lemaire]

Probably be in a car shop.

[Shane Gillis]

Car shop?

[Joe DeRosa]

Playing Yu Gi.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh.

[Lemaire]

Or some card show.

[Joe DeRosa]

Shop? Yeah.

[Lemaire]

Playing video games in the arcade.

[Shane Gillis]

No, no, I meant creatively.

[Lemaire]

Oh, card shop.

[Joe DeRosa]

What card shop? You mean like a place if you weren't so laid back, I would think you were on coke right now. The you're talking about is insane. Yeah. This is like Batman Begins. Ruin Society would work at a card shop.

[Lemaire]

I stand on that. That's a good thing.

[Shane Gillis]

Maybe America Vespucci was Voltaire.

[Lemaire]

Dude, that was good too. That was good too.

[Shane Gillis]

It's a reach you make. You say a sentence and then everyone has to wait and try to figure out what you meant and then ask you and go, what. Where did that come from? What did you mean by that?

[Lemaire]

I don't know. Just tapped into my smartness.

[Shane Gillis]

Just tapped into my smartness. You're a child. I don't mean to be that mean.

[Lemaire]

Christmas fun.

[Shane Gillis]

We are having fun. And you're.

[Lemaire]

You're. You're a dear friend, dude. The Star wars trilogy. The second one, Episode one, two, and three. Better set of movies in the first four, five, six. Outstanding on that.

[Joe DeRosa]

You think the prequels are better than the original?

[Lemaire]

Like, as a set of movies, like all together? Yeah, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

I mean, I like the prequels, but.

[Lemaire]

Now as soon as Palpatine goes execute order 66, it makes all the other movies worth it.

[Joe DeRosa]

Well, no, that sit is. I love Seth. Yeah, Sith is in my top three. Three. But.

[Shane Gillis]

But I never gave Clone Wars a real chance.

[Joe DeRosa]

Attack of the Clones.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Attack of the Clones.

[Joe DeRosa]

Attack of the Clones is. It's really cool at times, but he. He. He went so hog wild with the CGI nuts in it. It's a lot like that droid factory sequence. It's a little too much, but. But, hey, the whole end, like, once they get to that arena and like. Like, Padme and Obi Wan, Anakin have to fight those beasts. And then the Jedi come and, like, it's the battle. And then, like. And then they fight Dooku, and Yoda comes out like, oh, that shit's awesome, man. All that shit's awesome. And then Sidious shows up at the very end. Yeah, yeah, that. That's awesome. But Sith rips.

[Lemaire]

Don't kill me.

[Joe DeRosa]

Theta.

[Shane Gillis]

This is all good stuff.

[Joe DeRosa]

Sit. Rips.

[Shane Gillis]

Rips.

[Joe DeRosa]

And then Force Awakens rips. And then they suck after that. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I haven't seen any other new Force Awakens. Gave me real hope.

[Joe DeRosa]

Me too.

[Shane Gillis]

A new hope.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, me too.

[Shane Gillis]

This is it. And then the liberals struck back.

[Joe DeRosa]

Man.

[Shane Gillis]

The liberal struck back. They said, you can't have Star Wars. I said, you can take anything you want, but don't take Star Wars. Yeah, but they liberals got their greedy paws on my Star.

[Joe DeRosa]

Disney snatched it back.

[Shane Gillis]

Like, Disney. Disney's liberal Star Wars. They're so. They ruined it.

[Joe DeRosa]

They were like, the acolyte is going to change everything. We believe in the show more than anything. We've put the most money into it, dude. It got trashed. They pulled all the acolyte merch out of the store.

[Shane Gillis]

They were just the acolyte.

[Joe DeRosa]

It was the one where there was, like, all the chick.

[Shane Gillis]

It's for the bullies, dude. Star wars is for the boys. Please.

[Joe DeRosa]

Here's the thing. Make it all girl Jedi show. Just make it good. Make it awesome. Where you're like, this is great. They didn't. It sucked. It sucked. Don't start. They did that whole lesbian planet.

[Shane Gillis]

Hey. Doing the pod right now. Here. You're on.

[Joe DeRosa]

My ears must have been burning, bro. I know.

[Shane Gillis]

It's good so far. It's Me, Lamar, and DeRosa. We're kind of just talking about stuff. We saw a lot of Star Wars, a lot of Star wars talk.

[Joe DeRosa]

Who's there?

[Shane Gillis]

That's Makasar.

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, nice.

[Shane Gillis]

DeRosa's in your chair right now. He says it's his chair now, bro.

[Joe DeRosa]

He's. I. I abdicated. Throw them to him immediately. Makoska. I was confused when Shane texted me. I thought he was saying you needed a partner. And I was like, okay, where are we recording? Then he's like, my house. I was like, okay, where are you gonna be? He's like, my house. I was like, See, what I'm working.

[Shane Gillis]

With, these types of stories is what I've been working with. I mean, it's. I'm. I'm trying, dude. I'm trying. You would have been pumped. I had some history stuff early. They walked all over it with.

[Joe DeRosa]

Not true.

[Shane Gillis]

They went straight to Batman versus Superman, Star Wars.

[Joe DeRosa]

Not true.

[Shane Gillis]

We're gonna talk about their favorite toys coming up here.

[Joe DeRosa]

Not true.

[Shane Gillis]

Figurine collectors.

[Joe DeRosa]

Matt, he. You know, he kept saying. He kept going. I don't even know why I have Matt here.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, these dudes. Yeah. Arab and black autism are uniting, man.

[Joe DeRosa]

He keeps saying. He keeps saying McCusker. Who? I don't know why I bothered doing this with him. He's talking a lot of. Dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Where are you at, Matt? I'm in New York. I just got. I've been doing my little podcast.

[Joe DeRosa]

Podcast. Whirlwind Tour.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's coming out. I'm very excited for October 7th.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude, me too, man. Thank you.

[Shane Gillis]

All of our plans are going to come together. Oh, yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Finally. Wait, it comes out on October 7th?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. That special comes out October 7th.

[Joe DeRosa]

Holy.

[Shane Gillis]

It's actually. I mean, it's at least. Yeah. It's memorable.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Lemaire]

It's easy.

[Joe DeRosa]

Exactly. You're not going to forget. You're going. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I remember that thing.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's when that comes out. Perfect. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I just saw the. The trailer you posted. It looks wonderful. I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to see you, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

I can't wait to see you either.

[Shane Gillis]

All right. I miss you. I love you. Love you guys.

[Joe DeRosa]

Miss you, bro. Bye, Matt.

[Shane Gillis]

I said I love you. He said, I love you guys. Interesting.

[Joe DeRosa]

I felt jealous. I felt jealous. I don't know that. I don't. I have gotten it and I love.

[Shane Gillis]

You from you before you me say I love you every night.

[Joe DeRosa]

But that was. That was a very nice sign off. And I kind of want to change our dynamic. I want to take some of the.

[Shane Gillis]

You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to make some big changes.

[Joe DeRosa]

I want to take.

[Shane Gillis]

So you've had this question with me before you go. How come you don't talk to Matt or Soda like that?

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Shane Gillis]

They are not rotten pigs.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's not what I'm saying.

[Shane Gillis]

All the time.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's not what I'm saying.

[Shane Gillis]

You don't talk to them like you do to me. Yes. Because they don't talk to me.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, I know.

[Shane Gillis]

Like you do to me. I don't want war.

[Joe DeRosa]

War.

[Shane Gillis]

I'VE seen war. But if you want war, so help me, guys, somebody else will be raising your children.

[Joe DeRosa]

Hold on. You cut off my nice thing. I was gonna say what? And I was gonna.

[Shane Gillis]

It wasn't gonna be nice.

[Joe DeRosa]

It was gonna. Yes, it was. It was gonna be nice. I was gonna say, I want to start removing some of the acidity from the relationship and start to move towards a more caring, a more endearing, more loving dynamic.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. What are your proposals? What changes are you going to make? What are you offering me? Sounds like you're coming to the table. Going. Shane, you need to make some changes.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no, no. Let's be honest. We both have some heavy lifting to do. But I'll. I'll start.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay?

[Joe DeRosa]

I'll start.

[Shane Gillis]

Here's how we can start, okay? Next time we hang out.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Neither of us criticize the other one, okay. Until the other one does it. It's a ceasefire. And I'm gonna go see you started it.

[Joe DeRosa]

All right. No. Ceasefire.

[Shane Gillis]

Ceasefire. But if you're doing something slimy or gay, I do get to say that that's slimy and gay.

[Joe DeRosa]

But hold on a second. Here's the problem. You think everything's slimy and gay. Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

You do.

[Joe DeRosa]

You call out no so much.

[Shane Gillis]

Nate, I. I don't do that to you.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wait, you don't. You don't call me slimy and gay?

[Shane Gillis]

No, I call you zesty, but that's a fun joke.

[Joe DeRosa]

You. You call me slimy and gay.

[Shane Gillis]

Why are you gay? You are slimy. Why are you. When do. I don't think so. So if I. I don't. You don't really.

[Joe DeRosa]

You don't.

[Shane Gillis]

You don't really do too many things that I would be like, stop doing that.

[Joe DeRosa]

You don't mean it from the heart.

[Shane Gillis]

I like when you. I like when you goof off.

[Joe DeRosa]

You. You hit me with a. I can't believe you're doing this when I'm having fun. But it's. Because, you know, it's put me in my head.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, like, if you were. And we can delete this part if we need to.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

If I saw you sitting at the bar being, like, talking to a girl, being like, oh, that's cool body art you have.

[Joe DeRosa]

Look at this. This.

[Shane Gillis]

This piece right here. I got this. Blah, blah, blah. If I'm in the bar and I see you doing that, I'm going to slime you out.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, but. But see, you shouldn't do that. You got to let your. You got to let your friends Work in the way they work.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't like to see them work that way.

[Joe DeRosa]

No. How do you, like, see your friends work? Let. Let a man work. Techniques work. And you have stepped on my techniques at times.

[Shane Gillis]

Stepping on your techniques. Oh, my God, it's so fun.

[Joe DeRosa]

You know how many times I've been talking to a chicken a bar, and you're. You're visibly mocking me from across the room. Like, visibly.

[Shane Gillis]

Like, I. Look, I'm all for one of the bros getting some, but you got to do it the right way.

[Joe DeRosa]

I know how to do it. You got.

[Shane Gillis]

You know how to. Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

All right. I know how to talk. I know how to talk.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't like the I. You do. You're very good at. That's why you're very. That's why you remind me of Timberlake.

[Lemaire]

The Moose.

[Shane Gillis]

You remind me the Moose, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

Timberlake the Moose.

[Shane Gillis]

You remind me of Timberlake the Moose. Justin Timberlake, Mussolini. But I guess, yeah, maybe that's on me. All right, I'll allow.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's what I'm saying. I think we both got a little heavy lifted to do.

[Shane Gillis]

I think it was so hard not to make fun of a guy that's like, it depends how you're talking to a girl, brother. If it's like, I see you laying it on thick, dude. I go, what is he doing? Play it cool, baby. Play cool, baby.

[Joe DeRosa]

You. This is. Listen, listen. I think we both have to remove some judgment of the other man's behaviors, and I think we'll get very far.

[Shane Gillis]

I like where we're at.

[Joe DeRosa]

I don't hate it.

[Shane Gillis]

I like where we're at.

[Joe DeRosa]

I don't hate it. But I will say this. We've gotten ourselves into a corner of. It's at a nine and a half from the beginning of that.

[Shane Gillis]

No, it used to be. It used to be.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's not.

[Shane Gillis]

It's not anymore. That's like three years ago.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, you're right. It's chilled out. It's chilled out.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, we'd have. Every time we'd go out, we'd have to talk on the phone two days later. Yeah. We good, dude? Yeah, I just, you know. Off, dude.

[Lemaire]

Dude, you.

[Shane Gillis]

You.

[Joe DeRosa]

You had your share of. Come on, you know, the. You know, just poking. Poking from the poking. You're a poker.

[Shane Gillis]

You got little brother syndrome.

[Joe DeRosa]

Admit that You're a poker.

[Shane Gillis]

You got a lot of little brother in you.

[Joe DeRosa]

You're poke.

[Shane Gillis]

You poke first, you get poked.

[Joe DeRosa]

Sometimes, Mom. Sometimes I poke first. Sometimes you poke first. Admit it. Sometimes you sit on my head in the living room.

[Shane Gillis]

Just right away.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. I'll tell you a huge moment. Huge moment for us. This huge positive. Huge positive moment this year when. When. When we got a little tense on my birthday, as we did last year on my birthday, you said to me, you go, you get a little sensitive around your birthday, don't you? And I was like, yeah, I do, dude. I get.

[Shane Gillis]

You got way too sensitive.

[Joe DeRosa]

That was a huge moment for me.

[Shane Gillis]

Boss man, get in your head. Listen, Voss man was in there.

[Joe DeRosa]

Voss man in my head and me wanting to say, voss, shut the up. That's two different things. Voss is like a cheese grater after a while. And you're like, bro, shut up, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, but it's so funny. He doesn't say anything mean.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no, that's. You're just like, voss, shut up. Shut up.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, he's just having fun.

[Joe DeRosa]

He's talking about Israel for 25 minutes.

[Shane Gillis]

And then he's like. Like, for some reason with him. I don't care. When he's like, you see what they're doing now? They keep hiding under the schools. All right, this is Voss.

[Joe DeRosa]

This is what he did. When we were in. We were in Yellow Springs. We went to this comic book. The comic book store. I bought that Boba Fett comic book.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

When I first saw it, I was in the store with Voss earlier that day, and he comes up to me and he goes. He goes, do you. The number one Superman, the first one. I go, the action comics number one, where he's, like, holding the car over his head, and he's. He's like, yeah. He goes, that's worth money, right? And I go, yeah, it's considerable money. He goes, I have it. And I go, you have action? You don't have it? And he goes, no, no, no. I swear to God. He goes, I have it for when I was like. My dad gave it to me from what. He's like, I have it. He goes, and I knew it was probably worth something, so I kept it in decent shape. But, like, I don't know. I just never sold it. Do you think it's worth anything? And I go, yeah, it's probably worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. And he goes, psych.

[Shane Gillis]

He just never had you.

[Joe DeRosa]

And I go, I don't give a. If you don't have a valuable thing, like, what is the joke? I don't understand what the joke is.

[Shane Gillis]

Boss man, baby.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's an example, though, of what he'll do all day. And you're like, shut up.

[Shane Gillis]

I love it. I love it. I'm bringing him to Vegas. You're not getting one weekend without the boss man. You're not getting one without boss.

[Joe DeRosa]

Let's go, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

The Voss man's on your ass.

[Lemaire]

The Voss man cometh.

[Shane Gillis]

Boss dominates. Drove. Yeah, his boss is also bulletproof, dude.

[Lemaire]

Yeah, he's what? He. He's bulletproof.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. You can make fun of him all day.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Nothing. Nothing in one ear, out the other. Just every insult. He just laughs with you.

[Joe DeRosa]

I love, I love, I love the boss man. I love the boss. We'll get you, but you know you're wasting the slot in Vegas with a soberman. You need to degenerate into that.

[Shane Gillis]

No, no, I've got a nice thing going on the road.

[Joe DeRosa]

I know.

[Shane Gillis]

Degenerate once over.

[Joe DeRosa]

All right, fair enough.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, Tommy and Bobby Kelly.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, I saw. Yeah, I saw you bringing a Sobey in.

[Shane Gillis]

Do you bring the Sobey?

[Joe DeRosa]

And Jay's only going to have three beers.

[Shane Gillis]

Jay's going to bed at 10:00pm yeah, yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jay's going to go play a steam deck. Yeah, yeah. Bobby's going to wear sunglasses, not drink. Yeah, yeah. But then you got the Pope. The Pope. That's like having three. Al.

[Shane Gillis]

Is flying, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

The Pope mobile.

[Shane Gillis]

He is. He's not. Non stop, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's what it is from there. That's tricky with Pope. The Pope Mobile tonight, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

He. He just goes, dude. He brought. So we got off the plane and went to the mothership. He brought a paper cup with no ice filled to the brim with tequila.

[Joe DeRosa]

Jesus.

[Shane Gillis]

This was like a crumbled up cup. And he put it on the. No one else was in the bar, so they were like cleaning up. And he put the paper cup on the bar and went to the bathroom room. And then he said. He walked back in and he heard me being like, well, yeah, he's a alcoholic.

[Joe DeRosa]

Wait, was this Saturday night?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, we got in like. We got in at like one. We just missed you guys.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude. I left because I was like, nothing's going on. I'm gonna sit here and drink.

[Shane Gillis]

It's good. We missed everybody and just went home.

[Joe DeRosa]

Holy. Dude, that is.

[Shane Gillis]

So he was flying.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Our last. I told you.

[Shane Gillis]

This is my favorite. He got in. He got in the car or we were leaving, leaving the hotel. And sometimes autograph people show up and I, you know, I'm hungover. It's the next morning, my God, get in the car. I'm like, dude. And they're not fans. They're just people selling signatures.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And it's like, Jesus. Like, sometimes they'll be like, sean, Sean, big fan. And I get in the car, I'm like, jesus Christ, dude. These guys suck. And he just looks at me, goes, God forbid somebody. God forbid somebody loves you. And I was just like, oh, you're hammered. It's 11:00am Dude. It's like, you're drunk right now. He was like, yeah, I got. Yeah, there you go. I got a buddy.

[Joe DeRosa]

The Eagles played the day. The last. My last mothership show was Sunday.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

And the Eagles played that day.

[Shane Gillis]

It was Eagles, Rams, yeah. The whole squad was hurting.

[Joe DeRosa]

So, dude, I. I show up. I stay in all day. Tony and everybody, they're out bar hopping. They're like, come on, pig. And I'm like, I. I can't, guys. I mean, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tony's like, the pig signal is in the air. And I was like, I got a show, dude. I'll meet you an hour before. I can't bar hop with you guys. Anyway, I finally. I show up at Copper Tank, like, an hour before the show, and Pope is sitting there, and I walk up. He's sitting like this. And I walk up to the table, and I go, what's up, dude? I hit him on the shoulder. He goes like, this.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude. He goes, I don't like you this.

[Joe DeRosa]

He goes, I've been drinking since 9am I was like, oh, my God.

[Shane Gillis]

That was a rough one.

[Joe DeRosa]

Killed like. He was sober. Killed like, Couldn't. You couldn't tell. He had one drink.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, his standup is pretty. He can do it hammered.

[Joe DeRosa]

You could. Yeah, it was wild. You couldn't tell. He had one drink.

[Shane Gillis]

That was a fun night, though. That was. Tony was hammered. I've never. He's been getting very funny. He's like, I just realized getting as drunk as possible is fun. Yeah, dude, it rocks. Don't do it too much, but it does rock.

[Joe DeRosa]

Now. We always sing this song when we see. We see each other.

[Shane Gillis]

I was like, you should not tell anyone this, but go ahead.

[Joe DeRosa]

Oh, no. All right.

[Shane Gillis]

Go ahead. Do it.

[Joe DeRosa]

See, I'm trying to help you.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm trying to help you, I swear, but go ahead.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no, no. You're doing your little.

[Shane Gillis]

What was. What's the song you and Tony sing when you see each other?

[Joe DeRosa]

You're doing your little.

[Shane Gillis]

I just saved you. You think I'm being a bad guy? I'm Right now. This whole time, you thought I was against you.

[Joe DeRosa]

Dude, Snape.

[Shane Gillis]

You know I'm Snape, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

The Snape. Snape. The Hut. All right, we'll tell the song.

[Shane Gillis]

Please tell the song.

[Joe DeRosa]

No, no, no, no.

[Shane Gillis]

Now I'd really like.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's where we're hammered.

[Shane Gillis]

I know, but I'd like to know.

[Joe DeRosa]

It now because we're always like, all right, dude, let's chill out tomorrow night. Let's not do anything. And then we. And then cut to the next night, 2:00am like, we did it again. And he goes, Cause we got a problem. And that's the song. We sing a song called We Got a Problem. It makes us laugh. And. Yeah, cut that out. Cut that out.

[Shane Gillis]

Nope, cut that out. Cause we got a problem.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's funny to sing.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, that's gonna come back to haunt you.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's funny to sing. It's funny to sing. Well, when you're drunk, it seems very fun.

[Lemaire]

I love singing when I get drunk. Me and the boys, we had a quartet.

[Shane Gillis]

What do you guys sing?

[Lemaire]

We fucking. And if I ever. No, it's Fall in Love by. Shot by. I can't remember. Shay. I think it's by them. Hit some ccr.

[Shane Gillis]

Can you sing? Yeah, can you sing? If I ever fall in love again.

[Lemaire]

Which one is that?

[Shane Gillis]

The one you would just say and you sing.

[Lemaire]

Oh, and if. That's Casey and Jojo, though.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, I'm not sure who it is. Can you sing it? Can you sing it as. As literally as. As hard as you can?

[Lemaire]

No. If I'm drunk, like, no, but, like, right now.

[Shane Gillis]

Can you sing?

[Lemaire]

I'm not.

[Joe DeRosa]

I can't. It.

[Shane Gillis]

It's a fun game to play. You try to make your boys actually sing.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. That's why I have committed to the. We've got a problem.

[Shane Gillis]

I know. I would have. I would have liked to hear you really soon.

[Joe DeRosa]

Don't cut that out, but. Cut out What? I said cut that out.

[Shane Gillis]

Keep them all in. Although that's funny.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's a dumb thing you do with your friend when you're drunk. And it. It's. It's funny to you guys.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, it is funny, and I'm excited to sing it with you.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, I bet you have a good time singing it with us.

[Shane Gillis]

Probably will.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. 10 beers will change that out.

[Shane Gillis]

Usually a pretty jolly mood.

[Joe DeRosa]

God damn, drinking is fun. Why does it never get old? Why does it never get old?

[Shane Gillis]

Are you sure? It gets so old.

[Joe DeRosa]

Like you said, one, two days off and you're like.

[Shane Gillis]

Day three comes around, I go, I can have a couple.

[Joe DeRosa]

Couple. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm gonna take it easy tonight.

[Joe DeRosa]

But my point is this, like. Like, like with mushrooms, for instance. Right. I had. I had a bad trip over Covid, and I was like, that's it. I've never taken mushroom.

[Shane Gillis]

People do that with alcohol that are not alcoholics.

[Joe DeRosa]

I don't get why. No matter how bad of a hangover I've ever had, it never sticks. Like, no, don't do this anymore.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, there's hangovers. You wake up and go, all right. Right. I'm done.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You go, I'm not going to drink for two weeks. Yeah, Wednesday.

[Joe DeRosa]

That's what I'm saying.

[Shane Gillis]

Guess who just got back today.

[Joe DeRosa]

You know what I think the difference is back too. You know, I think the difference is. I think it's easier to quit a drug because a drug. The bad part happens during. With booze, the bad part happens after. And that's why it's always so hard to remember that part if. For. In other words, like, if I drank.

[Shane Gillis]

I also think alcohol is extremely addictive.

[Joe DeRosa]

Sure, that might be it too. But if I drank and I started having panic attacks while I was drinking, I'd be like, I'm not doing. I would be terrified. You know what I mean? Like, you would. Like a bad acid trip or something, but, like, the bad part of alcohol is just. You feel like hell the next day sometimes.

[Shane Gillis]

A good PBS doc on prohibition. Yeah, it's pretty good.

[Joe DeRosa]

What did he say?

[Shane Gillis]

The thing I never really thought of was, so, like, women were really leading the prohibition movement. They were like, we need to make alcohol illegal because. Or no. But that's what I always thought. I was like, ugh. Just ruining a good time.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Turns out there's no laws back then about beating the. Out of your family or raping your wife.

[Joe DeRosa]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

So these guys would come home. No, there's no loss, dude. He's got to come home.

[Joe DeRosa]

Just whoop their friends. Taking the booze away make the guys less angry after the boost was taken away.

[Shane Gillis]

No, these guys were coming home, dude.

[Joe DeRosa]

They're.

[Shane Gillis]

They drank back then.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.

[Lemaire]

They had a hard day. The food's cold, you know?

[Shane Gillis]

And also, you're blacked out.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. And you're working in a fucking factory. I mean, it's. You know, jobs sucked back then.

[Lemaire]

Your kids are shit.

[Joe DeRosa]

I'm not justifying what they did. Sounds like it's a powder keg is what I'm saying.

[Shane Gillis]

You just.

[Lemaire]

The kids are shit. The wife doesn't fucking do her. You want to hit them, you know, you're blacked out. You got the moon.

[Joe DeRosa]

Remember Goodfellas? Remember Goodfellas? When his dad beats him up real bad because he's. He hasn't been going to school for months. Yeah. Like, imagine the rage you would have felt if you immigrated here from Ireland or Italy or wherever because you wanted to have a better life for your family. And then you have a kid here, all you sacrifice for him, and then your kid turns out to be a punk. I can't imagine the fucking rage you would feel about that. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's beyond disappointment. Yeah. You know, it's beyond. You're like, I sacrificed literally everything thing to try to build this for you guys. And you don't appreciate it. Like, you know those. That's why those guys, I think, drag so much. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but it's a hell of a. It's a hell of a reason. Yeah.

[Lemaire]

You know, but you little punk, when I was your age, I had four jobs.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, man, I wonder what it was like to get cocked in a bar. Like, I mean, there must have been fights every night. And.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

Of.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Talking about how the bars were back then, and it was.

[Joe DeRosa]

What'd they say?

[Shane Gillis]

It was just. It was brutal. Yeah. It was everything. You think?

[Joe DeRosa]

Just guys getting stabbed.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. And the. The amount, like, America drank more than every country on earth. Like, immediately. Like, just immediately because it was all immigrants from my, like, poor immigrants. They were just obliterated. And other kind, like, people were like, this is going to ruin this country now.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, we took right off. Yeah, we took right off.

[Shane Gillis]

It's good. You should check it out. Prohibition on pbs.

[Joe DeRosa]

Is it Ken Burns?

[Shane Gillis]

It's Ken Burns adjacent. If it's not Ken, is it Barry Burns, the brother?

[Joe DeRosa]

This mysterious Ken Burns brother?

[Lemaire]

When was prohibition?

[Joe DeRosa]

The 30s, right. Or was it the 20s?

[Shane Gillis]

It was the fuck it had to be.

[Joe DeRosa]

Right?

[Shane Gillis]

It would have been the 20s.

[Joe DeRosa]

It's Al Capone time.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe DeRosa]

So like late 20s, maybe 20s, 30s. Yeah. Okay. Damn, dude, I didn't know it was.

[Shane Gillis]

That long, but it just immediately led to gangsters, and it's pretty cool. It's a cool time. There's this bar with the Roaring twenties and then into the Great Depression. They had to let the booze out during the Depression. They were like, all right.

[Lemaire]

And by the way, dude, the depression was. Detox sucks.

[Joe DeRosa]

How fun would it have been to get up in the roaring twenties because you had to drink it like little speakeasies and secret places. Would have been fun.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, it would have been like high school.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Chicks into the woods.

[Lemaire]

I went to this one place in Worcester. It's like a pirate tavern. It's like a fireball, but under it, they had the Babe Ruth. They had a prohibition, like. Yeah, it was speakeasy, but there was, like, a. It was connected to the water, where they would, like, send bottles of alcohol, just pick them up for, like, Babe Ruth and, like, athletes and stuff.

[Shane Gillis]

That's cool.

[Joe DeRosa]

Yeah, the.

[Shane Gillis]

I like that Lemaire. The.

[Joe DeRosa]

I feel like it was like. I feel like speakeasy's, like, prohibition. I feel like it was, like, prostitution, where, like, there's a goddamn massage parlor every three feet. You know what's going on in a lot of these places. It's like the cops never raid them. They just operate. Yeah, I feel like that's how prohibition was.

[Shane Gillis]

The term bootlegger came from just guys who would sell booze on the street. They would just keep, like, in their socks or their pants, they would have a bottle, and you just go up and take a swig and then put it back in. They called them bootleggers.

[Joe DeRosa]

Now I get it.

[Shane Gillis]

What do you think about that, fellas? Interesting stuff.

[Joe DeRosa]

My coffee thing flew over there. Sorry.

[Shane Gillis]

That's all right. We should end this podcast. Matthew, we miss you. We love you. October 7th, Matthew's new special comes out out also Baltimore. There's still tickets left come to that show.