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Tyson Mutrix
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Becca
This.
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Tyson Mutrix
Is maximum Lawyer with your host, Tyson Mutrix. All right, so I'm here with Becca, and today we're talking about a topic where we've got a little bit extra time in Scottsdale again. And we wanted to. It's not. Again, it's part of the same gap we had, but we wanted to talk about why we continue. I guess I wanted to talk about it. Not necessarily something you didn't want to talk about, but it's something I wanted to talk about because I think it's important, like, why we decided to continue doing Maximum Lawyer. And I've got some questions I think people might have for you. You might have questions for me. But I, I do think it's. It's important. I first want to talk, like, kind of about, like, how everything sort of transpired. I guess transpired sounds like a conspiratorial word, but nothing crazy went down. I've talked about the other episode about, like, how Gemini, like, we're still great friends. All kinds of stuff, too. Like, he and I were just texting and all that, but he even texted me and I, which I passed on to you, some ideas for.
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Becca
Yeah, that was great.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah, the Maui Mastermind. Because we had been. He and I've been kind of talking about it for months and at a certain point where it was something, it was clear he wanted to leave and kind of do his thing with the firm and everything. And. But I feel like there was a gap between, like, that decision and, like, when we told you. And I remember, like, he and I were like, I know I had to feel like this massive burden on me and like, I would say I said some fear because it was like, well, is Becca going to want to leave? Like, it was like, that was like, oh, man. Like, I was, like, terrified of that because as I told you, whenever I told you, I was like, I would like to keep doing it, but I only want to do it if you're involved because it's a ton of work. So I do wonder, like, what your thoughts. Did you sense it coming?
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Becca
I thought that there was the possibility, but I was still surprised when I found out.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah. Really?
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Becca
Yeah.
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Tyson Mutrix
So, like, you didn't. I guess you didn't expect it on the call, right?
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Becca
Exactly. Like, we were on a team call, and I think we were even. It was more casual. Like, we were actually, like, working. And then it was like, I have something to say. And then I was surprised.
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Tyson Mutrix
It was. Is it at the end of the call, is that what it was?
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Becca
I think so.
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Tyson Mutrix
Okay. Okay. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think that's right. I could. I could see how that could be a little.
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Becca
Right.
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Tyson Mutrix
Oh, wait a second. You're gonna drop this on me in the future?
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Becca
Let's lead with it.
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Tyson Mutrix
I think that that's probably.
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Becca
That would be my preference.
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Tyson Mutrix
That's a wise decision.
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Becca
Okay.
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Tyson Mutrix
That's a. That's a smart. Well, hopefully there's no next time. There's no big, big decisions like that. I. So I. So you. You hear it. You're like, it's probably. You're not going to process it all right away. Right? It's like, what was. I guess what was going through your head afterwards? Like, afterwards, like, so.
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Becca
Yeah. Yeah. So is. Is the company going to continue on or not?
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Tyson Mutrix
Is.
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Becca
Is the simple question.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah.
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Becca
Yeah.
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Tyson Mutrix
And I mean, once. Once I told you, like, yeah, I want to keep doing it, and that, yes, we're going to keep going. Like, I guess what were your. I guess then, like, I guess what was going through your head because. And I guess I'm not going to flat out say, hey, were you thinking about leaving? I don't think that'd be fair to you, but I also know if I want to know the answer, but the idea. I just wonder, like, what. What went through your mind and, like, when it comes to your decision and, like, to stay and to keep doing this, because you do. I don't think people realize, like, the amount of work that you do for the last four years. Like, you have been the driving force and, like, getting everything done. So I. I do wonder, like, what was going through your head.
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Becca
I mostly just needed to make sure that you wanted to be the business owner of two separate businesses. And I said that to you. Yeah, but that was. That was my biggest thing. It's a. The community that we've built. A coaching company, an events company, a podcast. None of it can be one foot in, one foot out.
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Tyson Mutrix
Sure.
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Becca
So that's what I. To know that, like, I could stay and we could do this, and we were really gonna build it for what it could be. I just needed to know that it's something that fit into your life and that you actually wanted.
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Tyson Mutrix
So you. And I don't want to misquote you. It was basically like, you want to know I was committed, I guess. Or it was like I was in. Like, I was gonna do this. Like.
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Becca
Yeah. But that also that genuinely that it fit into your life and that you wanted to be like. Like a two business owner.
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Tyson Mutrix
Gotcha.
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Becca
Yeah.
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Tyson Mutrix
Okay, so I'll ask this kind of a two. Two different ways.
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Becca
Okay.
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Tyson Mutrix
When I first said yes, did you believe me? And then. Okay, yeah. And then the second part. Now we've gotten to this point. Do you believe me now?
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Becca
Yeah. And it wasn't, like, prolonged. I just. I feel like I wanted you to take time to think about it. When I asked you that and you didn't, you just said, yeah, we're doing this. And I was like, that's not what I was hoping for. I wanted you to take time and really, like, consider it.
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Tyson Mutrix
Well, by that point, I had thought about it.
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Becca
Sure. And I didn't know that you didn't.
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Tyson Mutrix
Realize how much time I'd given corre.
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Becca
I did not.
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Tyson Mutrix
Because we had it. We had options. Like, there were things we could. We could have just shut it all down. Yes. Like, we could have sold it. Like, there's a lot of things we should. Like, I ultimately end up buying it. You know, it's. So It's a. It's a different. And I don't think most people. I think a lot of people may not realize that like, that. No, we. I bought it. It's not something that's just. Oh, it just kept going on. Like, there's. There's money involved in this. That. So there's a. There's some. Some money in the game.
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Becca
Yeah.
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Tyson Mutrix
When it comes to this. So that. What did. I wonder what. Like, what. Talking with Jeremy, Stuff like that. What was it? Was it. Was there a time where you're like, oh, man, what's gonna. Like, what's the future gonna hold kind of a thing? I. I wonder what those conversations were like.
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Becca
No, I Mean, what I was relating to him really was just how excited you seem to be about continuing on, changing some things and trying to like really grow this. So he's behind that 100.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah. So I guess before we like transition into. And I was gonna kind of sen. Although I was worried that you might leave, I, I always sense that you really wanted to confirm, like we've had lots of conversations like that you really wanted to grow this thing and you really wanted to like, do something special with it and because you really. And we just had our other episode about like, like you really care, like you really give a. Yeah. And so I, I, I, I said I was like, I felt that you were going to be, you were going to, to want to. So I, but I was a little, I was a little, you know, nervous. But before we move on to like why we, you know, decided to say, I do wonder, like, do you have any questions like, about, for me, about anything when it comes to like the transition and, and my thought process, I wonder.
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Becca
My, my only like in depth thought about it was like I said I wanted you to really consider you being the sole owner of two separate businesses and trying to grow them simultaneously. And I just, I think that when I asked it, it just seemed like you maybe hadn't thought it through and you were just like, yes, we're gonna do it.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah, it's like, yeah. So I was, I was ready to go. It's, it's. I mean, I did a lot of soul searching. I, I mean I took a lot of time to think about it. It was, it was, it was tough. Okay, so why then did you, why did you decide, like, yeah, I want to do this?
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Becca
Well, I love this company in general. So being I would call myself more of like a multi passionate. So if I was only doing one thing, the same thing, like let's just say, for example, like a call center, like, I can't do one thing. But when you look at Maximum Lawyer as a community, as a podcast, as in person events and coaching, I love that there's so much that we offer and that I get to work on all of it. So that's what I love about this business. I also really just like business and entrepreneurship in general, like, even personally. So the fact that our business helps other business owners is just a huge bonus for me.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah, it is pretty rewarding. It's something that's, yeah, it's, it's just seeing what I think is so cool is you see some of the people that are really at their worst where They've. They're really struggling. Okay. And after, you know, let's say a year. Okay. You then see where they've. Where they've grown to and, like, how their mindset has shifted, how much more confident they are, they're making money, they're growing. That is awesome to see.
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Becca
Yeah, it really is. I. I agree with that. I was gonna. The mindset piece was what I was gonna touch on. That's. I noticed that one the most you. Where you can really see growth and say, like, 12 to 18 months where someone came in and they're more like, when I say came in, came into the guild, that's how we get to know them a lot better.
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Tyson Mutrix
And.
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Becca
But they come in and they're like, I am either struggling with my business or I'm just starting it. And they kind of seem just more lost, and they're just looking for traction. And then a year later, they're talking strategy and making decisions. And that's really cool to see.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah, I agree. The. And I. I do. The people that. That we can see struggle, I think they. It is. They can't get past the mindset part of it. Um, and a lot of times they're just too hard on themselves, which. Which sucks. But really, for no reason, they. In their head, they think it's a good reason. I just wish you. Sometimes you want to shake them, you know, like, listen, you're awesome. Like, you got to know that you're awesome and act like it. You know what I mean? Like, it's. But it's sometimes just people can't get past it, and it's a shame because you want to help them so badly.
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Becca
Agreed. So that's one thing that I also have liked about Maximum Layer in general. From the beginning. I caught on to. I'm really into personal development in general. You are as well. And we incorporate that into the business. So I think that there's plenty of different services and coaching and things for law firms where it's like, this is the business strategy and this is what you need to do. And then they just completely ignore the personal development, the growth that they need, the mindset shift that they need to have. And I think that the way that we add that into business is super important. And I also just really, like. I like that topic a lot. Growing, personally.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah. I didn't realize. I mean, early on, like, really early on, I just didn't realize how much, like, the. The personal side of things, like, when it comes to health and when it comes to just, like, taking. Taking Care of yourself physically and mentally, and making sure that your house is in order. All that kind of stuff. It. It. It's all intertwined. Intertwined with the business stuff, which I think is why we've. We've incorporated all that into. Into the content we produce.
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Becca
Yeah, no, I. I completely agree with that. So, yes, over in the guild, we. We do talk a lot about, like, in the hot seats, for example, you do talk a lot about how people think about things rather than just how they're doing things.
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Tyson Mutrix
Sure. It's an easy tell. Is like. Like the way they talk.
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Becca
Resistance.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah. Or not just that, but, like, the way they describe things. I'll use a. A really basic example. Like, in the morning, you could get up and say, oh, I've got to. I've got to go do this thing today, or I get to go do this thing today. It's. It's things like that. No one's gonna say that on the hot seat, but, like, you know, that's the. That's the whole concept behind it, is you can. It's an easy tell to figure out how. Like, how they're doing from a. From a mindset standpoint.
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Becca
Absolutely.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah. So I do want to get. Before we kind of run out of time, because we were kind of limited on time here, like, a little bit, like, as to, like, why I decided to stay, because I. I mean, it was. It was something that was. It was. I went through, like, a. The whole process, like, thinking about, you know, what I wanted to do. There was a. I'd fight a lot of fear. I mean, I. It's one of the things. I don't know how much I've, like, really shown that to you, but, I mean, I definitely had fear. It was, you know, are we gonna. Are people gonna keep listening? You know, are people gonna, like, leave the Guild? You know? And luckily, that didn't happen. I was like. I mean, like. Or is Becca gonna leave? Like, because that was a. I mean, that was a big part of it, too. And it's like, if those things happen. I was like, in my head, I'm thinking, like, if those things happen, like, it would be crushing to me personally. You know, That's. There's that part, too. I'm like, oh, my gosh. You know, this is just awful. So in my head, I'm like, there was. Where. There were those. I let those negative thoughts creep in, and. But then it was ultimately like, do I still enjoy doing this? Okay, in 10 years, like, what do. What do I. What would I want this thing to look like. And I was, I started kind of, I kind of got through the fear part of it where I was like, okay, what are we going to do here? And then I was like, okay, I really love talking to other legal entrepreneurs. The new term that I like that we're going to use. Do I still enjoy it? Yes. I was, I mean, pretty frank. I was getting bored with the old setup of the, of the shows. I was getting a little bored because there was a. We didn't have enough time to talk.
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Becca
To people and also why we're in person now. That's another change that we made. They're not all in person, but a lot of them are.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah. And so it was, it made it hard to like really dig into stuff and talk about them. Like it was too surface level. So I knew that had to change. I knew there were, there were some things we had to change and, and we've changed those. I think it's better. I, I can tell you I enjoy doing these podcasts. These a lot more. I can, I can talk about anything. You know, most things like I can talk about there. I mean you talk like talk about all the Vegas episodes I probably spent on some of them. 90% talking about non legal stuff and not. And you know, people may not like that. I, you know, I enjoy it. It's one of these like it makes me more passionate but I, I do. It's sounds so cliche. I like enjoying, I enjoy helping those lawyers and like seeing those moments where like they grow. I really enjoy that part of it. That is so cool. And I also like learning about people just in general. Like the. We had that one episode where I was. She told. Told the whole story about getting burned by the coal and like. Oh yeah, all that stuff. Like just these stories, they're just, they're powerful. It's cool.
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Becca
Yeah, absolutely. And that's another thing too is you had already hit on this. Running a business, you can't separate it from your personal life either. So when you're interviewing these people, these law firm owners, and you're telling their story, it is all relevant because none of our law firm owners are just their business. They're everything else as well. You had mentioned though that you were thinking through to yourself, what do I want maximum lawyer to look like in 10 years? What were your thoughts on that? Or is there anything that you can share with us on? Because I don't think you've given me that answer.
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Tyson Mutrix
I think I have. I think, you know, like we've. It Took me a while to shape it. It's. It's not what it was six months ago. It's not what it is now. Like, you and I, like, there's some things you and I can't talk about yet because.
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Becca
Correct.
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Tyson Mutrix
But, like, we've already made some pretty big changes. We brought some things back. We brought the conference back. It is a, it's a much bigger organization. And I actually have. If you, I'll say AOPA and you'll know what I'm talking about. So I have. Pat, I've told you that, like, that is. So there's a bigger, broader reach to it. There is a, for those of you AOPA is a code for something. So I'm like, But there is a, It's a bigger organization. It is, it's going to have more of a impact on the legal space than it's even had at this point. Because it's not lost on me the, the impact that the podcast has had on law firm owners. Like, it. I do think it's had a massive positive impact on people. Not just, I don't think I know because people have told us so many times, but the, it can be so much more helpful and it can be so much better. And so it will take some time to do that. I mean, I, I, in that episode, I said, I told people there's, we have got some big changes. It's going to take some time to get there. Like, we, the things that you and I have planned, that it's going to be, it's, it's going to be awesome, but it's just going to take time to get there. It's not going to happen next month.
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Becca
You know, that's, that's correct. I don't have them in front of me, but we also recently at a team meeting created core values for maximum lawyer. And so just speaking of the time that'll take, we had also discussed, I don't think this is exactly how we worded it, but if it's not great, we're not going to give it to our people. And so that kind of applies to why we're not just going to throw all of our things out there when they're not great.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah, I think I had texted that to you early on and then I copied and pasted the text on top of the Apple note because I. Yeah, if it's not great, we're not going to put it out. Like, we will. We talked about jokingly, like, we'll. If this episode sucks, we'll burn it.
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Becca
We did and we were, we were serious.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah.
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Becca
Yeah.
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Tyson Mutrix
It'll like, we just, it won't air. So that's, that's the whole idea, whether that's in the guild or outside the guild. It's just like actually putting out great content. I'll probably go a little farther. I, I do think that maybe there were some episodes that we did before that we kind of mailed it in and they weren't great episodes and we don't want that.
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Becca
Correct.
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Tyson Mutrix
So just being, I mean, really honest about like we, the direction of things and the past and, you know, going forward and all that kind of stuff too. So, yeah, I'm excited. So I think the future is going to be awesome.
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Becca
Yeah. It's only going to get better.
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Tyson Mutrix
Yeah. As Patrick bet David says, future is bright. So I think that's fantastic. Cool.
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Becca
Awesome.