The Greatest Challenge Facing Law Firms: Adapting to AI Disruption - Maximum Lawyer

Summary

Maximum Lawyer Podcast Summary Episode: The Greatest Challenge Facing Law Firms: Adapting to AI Disruption Host: Tyson Mutrux Release Date: May 17, 2025

Introduction

In this insightful episode of Maximum Lawyer, host Tyson Mutrux delves into one of the most pressing issues facing modern law firms: the disruption caused by artificial intelligence (AI). Drawing from his recent experience at the Hona Disrupt Legal Summit, Tyson shares his predictions, concerns, and strategies for law firms aiming to thrive in an AI-driven future.

Tyson’s Participation in Hona’s Disrupt Legal Summit

Tyson begins by recounting his participation in the Hona Disrupt Legal Summit held in Salt Lake City. He highlights the event's focus on technological advancements in the legal industry, particularly AI. Tyson expresses his appreciation for the organizers and fellow panelists, emphasizing the collaborative atmosphere:

“[...] more than anything, I'll just say this, this is. They're not paying me to do this, but I can just tell you they're just great people to deal with.” ([03:15])

The Accelerating Adoption of AI in Law Firms

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the rapid adoption of AI within law firms. Tyson notes a threefold increase in AI adoption over the past year, underscoring the urgency for firms to integrate AI technologies to stay competitive:

“The adoption just in the last year has been an increase of about a three, three fold increase. So the adoption is accelerating, that’s for sure.” ([05:20])

Predicted Contraction in the Legal Industry

Tyson warns of a potential contraction in the legal industry over the next five to seven years, driven by AI advancements. He anticipates numerous mergers and departures, particularly among firms and individuals unwilling to adapt:

“[...] you're going to start to see the major contraction in the legal field. Where you're going to start to see people, see a bunch of mergers, you're going to see a bunch of people leaving the legal field. And a lot of the people that are going to be leaving are the ones that did not adapt.” ([07:45])

Shift to Customer Service and Client Experience

With AI handling more routine tasks, Tyson envisions law firms shifting their focus towards enhancing customer service and client experience. This pivot is essential as AI cannot replicate the personalized, human interactions that clients value:

“[...] we're going to start to shift as an industry over a lot of law firms. They’re going to be more, very much customer service oriented. And that's because you can't replace that component.” ([09:10])

Fee Pressure and Pricing Models

As AI takes over more legal work, Tyson anticipates fee pressure. Clients will expect lower fees since many services are automated, pushing firms to reconsider traditional pricing models like the billable hour. He suggests that firms might need to adapt by offering more predictable and value-based pricing structures:

“[...] even though I think it's a perfect model for lawyers, I think it's a great model for lawyers. You can make a lot of money. Clients don't really want it, they want that predictability. And I think that you're going to have to adapt to that.” ([10:30])

Technological and Operational Adaptations

To remain competitive, Tyson outlines several technological and operational changes law firms must embrace:

Embracing AI Technologies: Proactively integrating AI agents to handle routine tasks, thereby freeing up time for higher-value work.
Hybrid and Remote Practices: Increasing the adoption of remote work models to attract and retain talent.
Cybersecurity: Strengthening cybersecurity measures in response to rising breach incidents, which affected 40% of firms in 2023.
Regulatory Changes: Preparing for expanded non-lawyer ownership in more states, which will necessitate compliance and strategic adjustments.

“There's going to have to be some fee pressure because many of the clients, they're not going to want to pay all these attorneys to do work that is being done by AI because they're going to know much of the work is being done by AI.” ([11:15])

Historical Lessons from Past Disruptions

Tyson reflects on how the legal industry has navigated past disruptions—such as the introduction of the typewriter, paralegals, computers, and the internet. He emphasizes that cost reduction, flexibility in staffing, price innovation, and a focus on client service were key strategies that ensured resilience and growth:

“[...] when we had things like the depression or the recession or any other financial Crises. What we did as an industry is we reduced costs, we became flexible when it comes to staffing. That's what we're going to have to do here.” ([13:50])

Strategies for Law Firms to Adapt

To successfully navigate the AI disruption, Tyson outlines several strategic actions for law firms:

Proactive Embrace of AI: Start integrating AI technologies immediately to avoid falling behind.
Focus on Client Experience: Enhance personalized client interactions and high-end services that AI cannot replicate.
Adapt Pricing Models: Shift away from traditional billing methods to more predictable and client-friendly pricing structures.
Invest in Cybersecurity: Strengthen defenses against increasing cyber threats.
Talent Management: Continue prioritizing talent management and employee satisfaction, which will benefit from AI handling mundane tasks.
Hybrid Practices: Adopt hybrid and remote work models to remain flexible and attract diverse talent pools.

“You need to understand the technology because that's, like it or not, that's going to be sort of a, a type of an employee that we're going to manage over the next coming decades.” ([14:30])

Conclusion

Tyson wraps up by reiterating the critical need for law firms to adapt swiftly to AI advancements. He emphasizes that embracing change now will differentiate the "haves" from the "have nots" in the legal industry:

“[...] clock run runs out at 10 years. I don't think that you're going to have, if you're not adopted by then, you're, you're in a lot of trouble.” ([15:10])

He encourages law firm owners to take immediate action by integrating AI technologies, focusing on client experience, and staying agile in their operations to ensure long-term success.

Notable Quotes

On AI Adoption: “The adoption just in the last year has been an increase of about a three, three fold increase.” ([05:20])
On Industry Contraction: “[...] you're going to start to see the major contraction in the legal field.” ([07:45])
On Client Experience: “[...] they’re going to be more customer service oriented. And that's because you can't replace that component.” ([09:10])
On Fee Pressure: “[...] clients don't really want it, they want that predictability.” ([10:30])
On Historical Adaptations: “[...] what we did as an industry is we reduced costs, we became flexible when it comes to staffing.” ([13:50])
On Technology as Employees: “You need to understand the technology because that's, like it or not, that's going to be sort of a, a type of an employee that we're going to manage over the next coming decades.” ([14:30])
On Urgency to Adapt: “[...] if you're not adopted by then, you're, you're in a lot of trouble.” ([15:10])

Final Thoughts

This episode serves as a crucial roadmap for law firm owners navigating the rapidly evolving landscape shaped by AI. Tyson Mutrux provides a blend of foresight, practical advice, and motivational insights to empower legal professionals to not only survive but thrive amidst technological disruptions.

Transcript

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This is maximum Lawyer with your host, Tyson Mutrix. Welcome back to another Saturday episode of Maximum Lawyer. I'm Tyson Mutrix and today I've got a fun one because I'm in a booth in the Delta Sky Lounge in Salt Lake City. I was asked to come out to Hona's, their legal summit. Hona, the Disrupt Legal Summit. Very cool. They used to be milestones. They changed their name a couple years ago but, but Matt and Manny, thanks for inviting me out. Appreciate it. But they had asked me to be on a panel and a couple of things that I talked about I wanted to mention on the show because I thought it was something that masses should hear about, not just the people at the conference. They had asked me to really kind of look into the future and try to predict what challenges law firms might face in the next five years or so. And I, I mean, I give my opinion and I, I didn't pull any punches with it. I definitely have my fears. I think that there's some opportunities for sure which, and I'm going to get to all this in a little bit. Before I do, as I always do, I want to just want to remind you I would love it if you would shoot me a text. I always like to hear from everybody. If you've got something that you want me to cover on the show. If you've got something, something, an idea or a question, it really doesn't matter. If you're just starting out, it really doesn't. Or if you've got a ton of experience, it doesn't matter. No question is too small. There might be some questions too big that I might not be able to answer. But for the most part the questions you all have been pretty, pretty easy on me. But shoot me a text. 314-501-9260. You can also go to maximilawyer.com ask. I would love it if someone sent me an audio message. I love it whenever we get audio messages because then we can play that on the, on the show. It's, it adds a nice little element to it and it also allows me to kind of play it and then pause it and play it and pause it. That way it's a little more fun with it. But questions are fine too. But let's get into today's episode where much of the discussion over the last. So I, I arrived this morning. I, my son had a concert last night, so I actually didn't come in for the first day of it. I came in for day two, flew in this morning. But much of the discussion whenever I was here was all about AI Lot. A lot of it was about AI. And that's understandable. HONA is a technology product where they've added an AI answering component to it as well. In addition to, they've got their, I mean, their setup is where they, their, their technology is that they give updates to clients in real time. When it comes to the client file, that added communication is pretty cool. I think that that's, it's, it's a great product. They're great, they're great people. More than anything, I'll just say this, this is. They're not paying me to do this, but I can just tell you they're just great people to deal with. I actually had a great conversation with one of the founders, Amy Cheetham. Not founders, I'm sorry, one of the investors, Amy Cheetham. And just all the way around, from the investors to the actual people running the company to the employees, just fantastic people. So like I said, I'm not getting paid to do this, to say this. I'm just check them out if you are interested because I just think that they're great people. But that being said, I do want to talk about, you know, some of the things that, that I discussed and this. I was on a panel. I was actually on the panel with Amy Cheatham Scott. I don't know his last name. Sorry, Scott, I've got your card in my briefcase. But they're both great minds and they, they were fantastic. And so I was able to kind of share my thoughts on some, some of my predictions over the next five years. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna give these to you. But just, just know I. No one can predict the future. You really can't. Things are changing so rapidly with AI that we don't really know what's going to happen the next few years. But I'm going to give you my, some of my thoughts and my predictions and some of the stuff, I hope I'm wrong. Some of the stuff, you know, maybe, maybe it's good, I don't know. But over the next five years, let's just start with some of this. A lot of this stems from AI. So I'm going to start with that. You're obviously going to see much more adoption when it comes to AI. You're just going to. That's what's going to happen. You've already seen it quite a bit. The adoption just in the last year has been an increase of about a three, three fold increase. So the adoption is accelerating, that's for sure. As a part of that, what's going to start to happen is, is that you're going to start to see, in my opinion, you're going to start to see a contraction in the legal industry over the next few years. And I think that the sweet, sweet spot is really that three to seven year mark where that's where you're really going to start to see the major contraction in the legal field. Where you're going to start to see people, see a bunch of mergers, you're going to see a bunch of people leaving the legal field. And a lot of the people that are going to be leaving are the ones that did not adapt. Okay? So that there is a bright side to this where there is if you, I think if you do some of the things that I'm going to talk about, then you're going to be just fine. But if you don't adapt and you don't start adopting some of the things you need to adopt when it comes to AI agents and whatever else comes next, you're going to get left behind because you're going to have the haves and the have nots and the have nots are going to be the ones that are going to leave the profession because you're not going to be equipped. And the reason for that is, is because we're going to start to shift as an industry over a lot of law firms. They're going to be more, very much customer service oriented. And that's because you can't replace that component. You can add features, okay? You can add the features like HONA has, which is great. It gives that additional communication. It doesn't give that one on one. Right. You're not having that conversation. The best AIs to this point are not, they're still not Giving that one on one and they're not going to be able to give that one on one connection that you get that human to human connection. So we're going to be shifting quite a bit into that customer service arena because AI agents are going to be doing much of the work that our, let's just face it, our employees don't want to do. Which that is going to lead to I think an improvement in the happiness of our employees, which is awesome. That being said, you're going to see an increase in how much you're going to have to pay employees, right? You're going to have less employees, but you're going to have to pay them more. You're going to see some fee pressure because many of the clients, they're not going to want to pay all these attorneys to do work that is being done by AI because they're going to know much of the work is being done by AI. That's a big thing. A couple of things that you're not, I did not talk about on the panel, we just didn't have time is we're going to see an increase in the hybrid practices. I think you're going to see an increase in remote practices. I think that's kind of a no brainer. You're going to see an increase in cyber security breaches in I don't know if so the last number I was able to find was 20, 23, 40% of firms were breached in 2023, 40 freaking percent. That's insane. And then you're also going to see a lot of regulatory changes. You already have non lawyer ownership, two states and I think that that's going to expand. I definitely think that that is going to expand over the next few years for sure. All right, so how do we, I guess, how do we deal with this? Right. What are some things that we can do to make sure that we are ready for it and that we are one of the haves and not one of the have nots. You're going to have to proactively embrace this technology, this AI that we have right now. I know that some of it, it's a little scary for some of you. Some of you might think, well I'll be done in five years, I'm be retired, no big deal. Okay, great, that's fine. Those of you that are going to be in the, in the profession for longer than that, you're going to have to embrace it. The AI agents are here. I even said on the panel on the way over here, I was working on an AI agent. And it was, it's, it's going to save us a ton of time every single week. You're going to have to embrace it. You're going to have to adapt your pricing, the billable hour. Even though I think it's perfect for lawyers, I think it's a great model for lawyers. You can make a lot of money. Clients don't really want it, they want that predictability. And I think that you're going to have to adapt to that. The main thing that you're going to have to get, I think, through your head is that you're going to have to focus more on the client experience and that client service, the customer service, you're going to focus more on that. And that's great because we're going to have time to do it because a lot of the legal stuff, the mundane stuff is going to be done for us, or at least it's going to be, you know, mostly done for us. Going to get it, you know, about 80 to 90% of the way there for us, which is going to free up a lot of our time. And that's going to allow us to provide that really high level service, which means we're going to be able to attract really higher end customers. Higher end clients. We're going to be able to attract them. We're going to be able to charge probably a little bit more. Even though they're going to. The expectation overall is going to be that people are going to expect lower fees. I think that's fantastic. But you're also going to. Something else that's going to be interesting is that you're going to have a lot of access. A lot of people are going to have access to justice that they don't have access to now. I think that's a pretty cool thing. I think we should all applaud that. But we have to be ready for what we can prepare for and that is adopting the technology. Now, I talked a lot about the history of. That was one of the things I was asked to talk about was sort of the lessons that can be learned from law firms that have navigated past disruptions. And I talked about things like the typewriter. Right. The paralegal. The paralegal wasn't around until the 60s. I don't know if you realize that the computer. The computer was a massive disruption. The Internet, right. Massive disruption. These are all things that what happened was, is we adopted the technology whenever it was when we had things like the depression or the recession or any other financial Crises. What we did as an industry is we reduced costs, we became flexible when it comes to staffing. That's what we're going to have to do here. There was a lot of price innovation during these periods. There was a shift towards that client focus. People were focused more on talent management. None of that's gonna change, right? None of that is gonna change. We're gonna have to do those exact same things. This is just another disruption that the legal industry is gonna have to manage, Right? That's what we're gonna have to do. But we can do it. I think as an industry, we can do it. If you don't, you're gonna be in bad shape in five years. Just going to say it. Ten years. Definitely five years. I think we can debate whether or not it's going to happen in five years, 10 years. I think clock, clock run runs out at 10 years. I don't think that you're going to have, if you're not adopted by then, you're, you're in a lot of trouble. But I think you need to start now. I think you need to start yesterday. But the next best time is right now. So go out, build yourself an AI agent. Hire someone to build out. Some AI agents understand the technology, just like you understand employees. You need to understand the, the technology because that's, like it or not, that's going to be sort of a, a type of an employee that we're going to manage over the next coming decades. So lots of changes to come. But hopefully you got something from this episode. I just want to share some of my thoughts from it. From this. What's becoming a hot phone booth, this booth that. It's very well insulated and I'm not getting a whole lot of air in here. So I'm glad I'm almost done with this episode. But remind as a reminder, shoot me a text. 314-501-9260 Tell me if I'm wrong. Tell me if you disagree with me. I would love to hear. I love to hear when people disagree with me. So. 314-501-9260 till next week. Remember that consistent action is the blueprint that turns your goals into reality. Take care.