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Welcome back to another episode of the Guild Live Show. I've got a, I've got a really awesome thing that I'm gonna show today. It was only a matter of time before this feature came out from Perplexity. So we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about a little bit about Mr. Beast, which, oh, it's some interesting numbers coming out of Mr. Beast and I. We're not going to get into, I think, super specifics with this article, but it's, it's, it's not what you think over with Mr. Beast, but I mean Mr. Beast is amazing so this isn't going to be throwing any shade on him. But it's really interesting when it comes to the, the finances. We're gonna talk a little bit. I found this nice little infographic on customer journeys I thought was kind of interesting. We're going to talk about the creator economy a little bit and then influencer marketing versus traditional marketing. So that's, that's, that's a little bit of a teaser for the show. It's going to be, definitely going to be an interesting one. So let's get into our first topic, which is the AI Email assistant and that's from Perplexity. It's. I did actually sign up for it. I have it. I've started to come play around with it. I got an email last night after I set it up. So some things I've got to do, but it's pretty cool. So this is the article here. Perplexity launches AI Email assistant that can manage your Outlook or Gmail inbox for you, but it will cost 200amonth. I'm already on that plan. The pro plan or whatever they call it. So it's. To me it's okay. It's just an added feature because I do think Perplexity is pretty awesome. So I spend the extra money. Perplexity's $200 subscription is getting a new feature that lets it manage your inbox by drafting replies to threads, scheduling meetings and labeling emails using a new AI email assistant. What's really interesting about this is we already built an AI agent to do this. When it comes to the drafting replies, scheduling meetings is something I don't know if you will remember years ago, we're talking at the beginning of the podcast, I was using an assistant and I don't remember the name of it actually it was an AI assistant that helped schedule meetings. That was really cool. That was back. I mean, 2016is right around there. It was pretty cool, but it was. It had bugs. It definitely had some bugs. I'm very curious to see how this one does. I'm guessing it's going to do a lot better than. Than that one. What was funny about that back then is though, is that you would have people with the same AI system and they'd be going back and forth, back and forth and back and forth. That was kind of an interesting thing. But then. And it's also funny because we created an agent to label email emails as well. So that is gonna. It's one of those things where probably to shut my agent down to play with this one just. Just to see how it does. But Perplexity has announced a new feature, Dub Email Assistant, that lets you bring and bring by bring an AI agent into your inbox and let it manage your emails, schedule meetings and even draft replies to threads that need responding to. The AI agent works in Outlook and Gmail, but it's part of Perplexity's expensive max subscription, which costs 200amonth. Turn your inbox into scheduled meetings, schedule draft replies and clear priorities, says Perplexity website. The AI agent can automatically categorize your emails into different buckets and utilize labels so that you can see what needs addressing as priority. Perplexity will also be able to jump into email threads and draft up replies using your usual rising writing tone and style. That part's what's cool about it. Your usual writing tone and style. It's going to be able to analyze your. Your typical emails and then it's gonna. It's gonna mimic your writing style that's pretty incredible. And then it'll wait for you to sign off on the message before sending it. You can even Address the AI agent and ask it to find time in your schedule to finish fit meetings. Very I. I think it's pretty dang cool. So here's a rundown of all the features. Know what needs a reply and what's FYI AI drafted responses appear in replies automatically. Email system handles the back and forth and puts meetings on the calendar for you. Get summaries of meetings, key emails and daily daily priorities from Perplexity. I don't know. Let me know what you all think about this. I think it's a pretty cool. If you all have played around with it, let me know. I would love to to hear about that as well because sometimes people I. I will mention things and the people love it sometimes sometimes people say and I don't think so but I'm going to show you. For people that are listening I'll. I'll talk this through too but for those of you watching, this is the. The main account and I guess I thought it was called a pro account. I think it used to be called a pro account because you used to say pro down here. This does say Max and so to get into it you click over here and then it is pretty sure it was right here and I thought it said Assistant over here but maybe I am wrong. Maybe we'll go to account. Interesting. So where I am now this is interesting because last night assistant was over here on the left side. It is no longer there and I don't know why that would be. It's an interesting thing. So when you do get the click because you can see I do have the max plan. It's interesting because I'm on a different computer too. When you get into here you'll see over here on the left side it says Assistant and you'll click Assistant and then you'll. That's how you'll. You'll start to set it up. It's an interesting thing that it's not showing it right now and I don't know why that is but something worth looking into. So I was going to show this to you all but I guess I'm not going to be able to now. But that's. That is the assistant though. That's very cool. I know I set up on my laptop so it's it. I'll report back once I've played around with a little a little bit more to to. To see where the. How the features are are doing for me. So let's get into our next story which is this is one I called mo views mo losses this is a Mr. Beast article that is I, I, I found and it is from Bloomberg Bloo. Try to pull this one up for you so you can see it. Because Mr. Beast on his quest to turn YouTube fame into an entertainment empire. And there is a very specific quote in this that I, I want to read to you because, or it's part of it. He, he did hire a CEO. I thought that was interesting too, that he's, he's hired a CEO. If you compare that to like a law firm. Like to me, that's like the equivalent of hiring a, if you want to just practice law and, and, and do the legal side of things, kind of like hiring a practice manager. That's, that's the way I looked at it. Something I learned from this article, by the way, that he's 6 5. I did not realize that Mr. Beast. So Jimmy is 6 5. I did. He just didn't look that tall to me. He's tall. That is, that is interesting. But, so here is where the part of the article that I want to show to you right now. However, Mr. Beast Industries is hemorrhaging money, all right? And I, I've heard him talk about before the amount of money that they spend each month, but I didn't think it was, I, I figured, okay, maybe it was just exaggerating a little bit or, you know, they're, they're making way more money from the videos. This is interesting though. So it's had three years of losses, including more than $110 million in 2024. So $110 million in losses in 2024. The viral videos account for all of it, overwhelming the profits from Feastables. So Feastables, and I don't know why they just wouldn't roll that into a separate company, but maybe Feastables is helping finance the, the rest of the stuff. Donaldson has been spending between 3 million and 4 million on every video he produces for the main YouTube channel, most of which lose money. In 2023, Ms. Beast spent $10 million to $15 million shooting videos it never released to the public because they weren't up to its standards. He also lost tens of millions of dollars producing Beast Games, a popular show from Amazon Prime Video in which a thousand people competed for $10 million by, among other things, moving a 10,000 pound boulder. It was a really good show. The production value phenomenal. Really, really good. Last year, he brought on CEO on a CEO to help professionalize his operation and reduce costs. Jeff Housenbold, 55, spent three decades in Silicon Valley, working at eBay Inc. And Photo printing company Shutter Fly Inc. Before joining Beast Industries, he's worked at 22 companies, sat on 44 boards and invested in more than 100 businesses. And he's not shy about saying he hit pause on a comfortable, extensive existence in Northern California with three kids who grew up on Mr. Beast. In the Beast office, he talks about targeting more than $100 million in savings to turn the company from a high growth startup into a profitable enterprise that can live for decades. He compares Beast to Uber technologies Inc. And DoorDash Inc. Two companies he invested in and advised. Hasenbold actually built, scaled and ran companies that have done billions in revenue. Donaldson says, I've never had a leader like that. I, I think that's a really interesting thing. I think it's cool that he's, he's recognized that he needs someone else to run the business that he's not, he doesn't have the skill set to do that. And that takes a lot. Whenever you're at that level, that takes a lot to say, all right, we're, we're generating hundreds of millions of dollars, but it's still not working and I need to find someone else. That's, that's takes, it's one of those things where, if there, if he can do that, I think we can too. So if you're at the point where you think you, you need to step aside from running the, the daily operations and letting, and letting someone else do it, this is, this is a nice little lesson for us here is, you know, maybe it's the best thing for the company for the firm for you to step aside and let someone else run things. So I think that's especially true whenever you have it. You're generating lots of revenues, but maybe your costs are super high or you feel like you're having problems managing the people or managing the business, might be time for you to sort of step aside and find that practice manager. You don't have to go the full CEO route, but practice manager route could be the way to go. The next thing I want to show you, it's, I thought this was pretty cool. It is something that is the nice little infographic that I found that, that I thought I figured I would share with people that I think that you might be interested in. And let me go ahead and pull this up here for you. So here's this infographic and it is from an email marketing person named Chase Diamond. It is, it, it gives you this, these customer journey stages and it gives you the channels, the tactics and the content types for each one of them. And so on the stage, the stages, it has awareness, consideration, decision, and then advocacy. And then you've got the different channels that you would use for that. You have the different tactics you, you, you would use and then you have the content types. I found this to be really interesting and really helpful way to maybe organize your, more your marketing activities. For example, awareness. Awareness is usually the part where people get stuck in, where, you know, they're just think of it as like the billboard. So the, the, the billboard, that's what this is, is, is the awareness stage. But then you have to start a, you have to find a way to collect their information. So let's say you have a billboard with a QR code or a website for them to go to. And they go to the website and then they put in their email address. So now you've got this part of it where you're starting to, to do the emails, webinars part about podcasts. And then the next part of the funnel, remember this is all funnel, funnel, funnel, funnel. And then the decision phase maybe, okay, you're set up with some sort of call, like the intake call, and then you get to the advocacy. And this is where you, this is like that nurture stage where you're, you're not just nurturing the lead now. You're, you've got a client that, you're now nurturing that relationship. And this, they put community forms, but that could be, you know, you know, newsletters, it could be, you know, emails that you send on a regular basis, calendars that you mail out to them, birthday cards, all that kind of thing. But I found this to be really interesting. I'm not going to go into each part of these, but I did find it to be a really cool thing that. Well, I'll try to find a way to put this in the show notes. I don't know how we will, maybe we'll have to do a link to it or something, but we'll put this in the show notes so that you all can access it because I, I do think it's pretty helpful for people. So make sure you, you check that one out. This next article we're going to get into, this is, you know, let's get personal. It's a, this is an article from a website I'd never heard of. Martech Outlook technology solutions that drive marketing. So it's a bit of a, you know, it's a, it's an article from probably someone trying to sell us some services but AI driven personalization in the creator economy. And the reality is a lot of us are, we are creators. That's just what we are when it comes to our marketing activities. And we have to, that's, that's just how we have to market our businesses. The creator economy reshapes digital marketing, emphasizing genuine engagement with micro influencers. While AI enhances precision personalization and campaign effectiveness through data driven insights. And that's why I like this one is because of, there's the, these data driven insights which then it, it, it's how you can personalize things. And that's why I wanted to bring up this article. I think it's an interesting thing so kind of go down through here. It's, it's not a super long article but you've got the shift from manual processes to AI driven solutions, personalization and content creation and distribution. And then you have enhancing campaign performance through real time analytics. And this is the part I want to, I want to read and we can go, we can go back up to the top in a second. But the role of AI extends into, into the critical domain of campaign optimization and performance analysis. Real time data analytics powered by machine learning provide brands with a granular understanding of how their campaigns are performing across a network of micro influencers. These systems can track key metrics, engagement rates, click through rates and conversions with unparalleled accuracy. This constant stream of data allows for dynamic campaign adjustments. If a particular type of content is performing exceptionally well with a specific audience segment, the AI can recommend allocating more resources to similar content or creators. So I'm going to read that part again. Okay, so the AI can recommend allocating more resources to similar content or creators. Okay, this is where the magic is, I think in this is where you, you train your agents to recognize what's working, what's not working. And some of these are built in automatically. I'm pretty sure Facebook ads has a feature where it will adjust based on what's working, what's not working. I'm pretty sure all of the major ones do. So some of this is also kind of built in, but you can build in. You can actually create your own marketing agents that can assess these and adjust things. I think that that's where there might be a lot more value other than just the built in things the built in ones are going to do. The reason why you might need something extra is because if it's, if it's a built in feature, that means everyone has access to it, right? And sometimes the humans can Tweak things to make it work even better. That's what these agents, agents are going to do. AI is going to be able to assess it and be like, okay, let's do this instead. This, this seems to be the right audience for this. This is leading to more conversions. Let's shift our ad dollars over into this area to make more money. That's where I think this is where the value is. This iterative process of optimization ensures that marketing budgets are utilized with maximum efficiency, driving a higher return on investment. This intelligent approach to advertising is fostering a more symbiotic relationship between brands and micro influencers. By automating many of the logistical and analytical aspects of campaign management, creators are freed to focus on what they do best, creating authentic and engaging content. I'll just end with this part of it. The data driven insights provided by AI also empower them with a clearer understanding of their audience's preferences, enabling them to refine their content strategy and grow their community. For brands, this translates into more effective and predictable outcomes from their influencer marketing efforts. This is something you want to check out. We can put in the show notes, but so, and this is just. This part of the article just talks about, you know, the, the shift from manual to AI driven. That's why I want. I didn't cover that part of it. And then you've got the personalization and content creation distribution. So beyond the initial discovery phase, AI is revolutionizing the very fabric of content creation and distribution with micro influencer networks. So this is, that's why I didn't cover. I think this part's kind of obvious. The important part of this, the meat of this article is really comes down to just the idea of using AI to adjust what you're doing almost on the fly when it comes like your advertising and then, but also the same thing. Same thing is when it comes to your actual content that you create too, it can, it can analyze it for you to determine what you should be doing and which audiences you should be focusing on. So that's why I want to cover that. But the last article that I do want to get into and that is this Influencer versus or is. I said influencer is greater than traditional marketing. So influencer marketing is replacing traditional advertising, but only if it's honest. This is just. If we're kind of analyzing this, this website for a second, like all of these ads, unless I stopped to point these things out, you all would have never noticed them. Right? I, I just don't understand why people use this marketing anymore. The. This, this. I know this is kind of a side note for you listening. You can't see what I'm looking at, but you've got all these ads around this website and it's just like no one's paying attention to it. The only one that maybe I'm paying attention to is this one that's really annoying in the way. And I wouldn't, I would never. If this were like someone selling me a product, I would never use that product. I just don't like whenever there's like an advertisement blocking my article. But anyways, back. Back to the point. This is from adgully.com by the way. Influencer marketing is replacing traditional advertising, but only if it's honest. I thought that was kind of an interesting thing. When influencer marketing first emerged, it was shiny, unstructured, and brimming with potential. Brands were just beginning to consider creators as viable brand ambassadors. And early campaigns were often experimental. Now let me say for a second, influencer marketing has been around forever. It really has. It's just in a different way. I mean, think about, I mean, Judge Joe Brown does advertisements for Brown and croupin in St. Louis. Like they. So that's a type of influencer marketing. Influencer marketing has been around forever. This is not something new. The term influencer might be new. And the way we're using influencers is a little bit different because you can, you can now become an influencer if you have really good content. You don't necessarily have to be like a famous actor or musician. That part of it's changed. But let's just be real. It's been around forever. But the landscape was still talking, taking shape, with teams managing PR efforts, creating content ideas, yada, yada, yada. So authenticity, this is the, the part where this is about. A lot of this has to do with Gen Z, by the way. And they talk about authenticity, transparency, and, and seeing the full picture. That was a big part of this too. This big is, is they want to see everything. I found that part to be really interesting because many of us are not com, including myself, not super comfortable with that. Part of it is kind of showing all aspects of our lives. And they say in this article, earlier, campaign success was measured by sheer reach. Bigger meant better. But today, relevance outweighs reach. Gen Z audiences are quick to dismiss creators with large followings if their messaging feels inauthentic. They have an acute sense for what's real and what's purely transactional. There have been instances where campaigns were rejected by Gen Z Simply because the creator appeared too polished or the product felt disconnected from their visual content. In contrast. Now so this is interesting. I think that this is spot on there. Billy Terracio did a video yesterday. It was either yesterday or day before that. It was about, it had to do with their city's police department. I can't remember where she lives around Scottsdale. I can't remember the actual name of the town but she was walking around with her cell phone and I just like sat down somewhere and it wasn't super polished. I'm guessing the video did really, really well because it caught my attention. This is one on Facebook that I caught and I, I don't typically watch videos on Facebook unless Amy sends them to me. It's usually the time to watch them. But this one caught my attention. She's like walking around the show, sits down and like it wasn't polished. It was like her moving and stuff. It seemed very, it was very, very authentic. She was talking about what was going on in her town and I, I, I felt it to be very engaging. That is what seems to, to work. It was, it was like almost like she was kind of pulling the curtain back to show like what's going on in her world. It just wasn't super polished. I do find that to be very that I think that that is spot on. See, brands that overlook this reality do so at their own risk. Let's see. Or too polished. The product felt disconnected from their usual content. In contrast, smaller creators have gone viral simply by offering honest unfiltered response reviews. I want to make sure I mentioned that part too. They talk about transparency equals trust for Gen Z transparency. Transparency is non negotiable. It's not enough to present polished content. Audiences want to know the intent behind it. They expect clear disclosure of paid partnerships. Well that's also legally you have to do that too. So make sure if you've got some sort of paid partnership that that is mentioned because you don't want to get popped for that. But they seek genuine alignment between creators and the brands they promote. What was once seen as a risk, labeling a post as an ad has now become a trust building tool. In fact, some of the most successful campaigns are those that bring audiences behind the scenes. So that's. They talk about collaboration whenever you know they're aligning with the values of another someone else or even include bloopers or raw moments. That's something that's helped helps as well. They don't want perfection. They want the full picture. Perhaps the most meaningful shift is the evolution from influencer to community leader. Gen Z follows individuals for their perspective, not just their aesthetics. Their loyalty stems from shared values, be it mental health, advocacy, gaming, body positivity, sustainability or cultural representation. Real influence today stems and connection not broadcast. That is a great line, best line of the entire, entire article. Real influence today stems from connection not broadcast. And that is where in any marketing it's, you know, it's, it's that kind of, I talk about push marketing, it's just push, push, push, push, push. And there is no, none of that engagement, there's none of that back and forth, there's none of that connection. It's just my firm's amazing hire us. Which people don't people just kind of tune that stuff out. Nano and micro influencers often outperform celebrities in terms of engagement because they foster genuine relationships with their followers. I saw people putting spoons on X yesterday because they, they wanted to get more views than, than someone and I just thought it was kind of an interesting, it was a funny thing because they were getting millions of views on a spoon versus what that person gets on their, on their, on their show. That was kind of a funny little thing. So they talk about purpose driven influence and then what this means for brands today. So just to kind of wrap it up, transparency, creative freedom, values over vanity, cultural consistency and then behind the scenes access. So I thought it was kind of an interesting article, especially if Gen Z is in your target market. So if not, I, I still think it's applicable. Most of it is at least. I think that even though Gen Z has kind of led this push, it's, it's, I think most of this is still applicable to, to the vast majority of, of our potential clientele. So that's all I have for everybody this week. Have a wonderful week and we will see you later. 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Episode: The Greatest Shift in Marketing: From Traditional Ads to Authentic Influencer Connections
Host: Tyson Mutrux
Date: October 4, 2025
In this episode, Tyson Mutrux dives into the changing landscape of marketing for law firms and small businesses, exploring how traditional ads are losing ground to influencer-driven, authentic connections. Tyson covers key trends in AI-powered tools, the creator economy, and the importance of honest influencer marketing—highlighting what these shifts mean for law firm owners aiming to scale with modern, efficient marketing strategies.
[00:57 – 06:15]
Introduction of Perplexity’s new AI Email Assistant:
Tyson details the new AI-powered email assistant from Perplexity that can manage Outlook/Gmail inboxes.
For $200/month (on their Max plan), the assistant drafts replies, schedules meetings, and labels emails.
Tyson notes the tool mimics your writing tone and style, offering a "pretty incredible" level of personalization.
"The AI agent... is going to mimic your writing style. That's pretty incredible."
—Tyson Mutrux [03:45]
Personal Experience:
Implications for Law Firms:
[06:15 – 13:55]
Article Highlight: Financial Realities Behind Viral Success:
Key Leadership Insight:
Mr. Beast hired Jeff Housenbold as CEO—a Silicon Valley veteran—to professionalize and optimize costs.
Tyson draws a parallel to law firms, suggesting that when operations outgrow your abilities, bringing in a practice manager (or CEO) can be transformative, both for business efficiency and peace of mind.
"If he can do that, I think we can too... Maybe it's the best thing... to step aside and let someone else run things."
—Tyson Mutrux [13:12]
Takeaway for Law Firm Owners:
[13:55 – 16:58]
Infographic Breakdown:
Tyson shares a customer journey infographic by email marketer Chase Diamond (awareness → consideration → decision → advocacy).
Discusses matching marketing channels/tactics to each stage—e.g., billboards/QR codes for awareness, webinars/podcasts for consideration, intake calls for decision, and ongoing newsletters for advocacy.
"I found this to be a really helpful way to organize your marketing activities."
—Tyson Mutrux [15:23]
Practical Application:
[16:58 – 20:44]
Article Summary:
Shift from manual marketing to AI-driven tactics, especially for leveraging micro-influencers.
Real-time analytics allow for granular performance tracking—engagement, CTR, conversions.
AI enables automated, dynamic adjustments to campaigns—allocating more resources to strategies that work.
"This is where the magic is... AI can recommend allocating more resources to similar content or creators."
—Tyson Mutrux [19:08]
Law Firm Application:
[20:44 – 25:52]
Core Argument:
Influencer marketing is supplanting traditional ads—but only if it's authentic.
Early influencer campaigns depended on reach, but now relevance and authenticity drive success—especially for Gen Z.
Overly polished or obviously transactional content is quickly dismissed by audiences.
"Real influence today stems from connection, not broadcast."
—Tyson Mutrux citing adgully.com [24:02]
Transparency Drives Trust:
Practical Example:
Implication for Law Firms:
On AI Personalization:
"Your usual writing tone and style... It's going to be able to analyze your typical emails and... mimic your writing style. That's pretty incredible."
—Tyson Mutrux [03:45]
On Delegating Leadership:
"That takes a lot... We're generating hundreds of millions of dollars, but it's still not working and I need to find someone else. If he can do that, I think we can too."
—Tyson Mutrux [13:12]
On Customer Journey Mapping:
"I found this to be a really helpful way to organize your marketing activities."
—Tyson Mutrux [15:23]
On AI Optimization:
"AI can recommend allocating more resources to similar content or creators. This is where the magic is."
—Tyson Mutrux [19:08]
On Authentic Influence:
"Real influence today stems from connection, not broadcast."
—Tyson Mutrux sharing from article [24:02]
If you’re looking to future-proof your law firm’s marketing—prioritize authenticity, leverage smart technology, and focus on building connections, not just broadcasting messages.