Today’s Growth Opportunities in Law with Shane Jasmine Young

Summary

Maximum Lawyer Podcast Episode Summary

Title: Today’s Growth Opportunities in Law with Shane Jasmine Young
Host: Tyson Mutrux
Guest: Shane Jasmine Young
Release Date: February 4, 2025

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In this insightful episode of Maximum Lawyer, host Tyson Mutrux engages in a comprehensive discussion with Shane Jasmine Young about identifying and leveraging growth opportunities within the legal industry. The conversation delves into Tyson’s journey as an attorney and entrepreneur, the establishment and expansion of his law firm, community engagement, work-life balance, and strategic hiring practices. The episode is rich with practical advice, personal anecdotes, and motivational insights aimed at both aspiring and established law firm owners.

1. Introduction and Background

The episode begins with Tyson Mutrux welcoming Shane Jasmine Young, expressing gratitude for her time on a Saturday afternoon. Shane commends Tyson’s community-minded approach, noting his active presence on social media and involvement in community service.

Notable Quote:
Shane Jasmine Young [02:10]: "You came on, let's see, it's almost 5:00 on a Saturday, so taking time out of your weekend, I appreciate it."

2. Community Engagement and Women Decision Makers

Tyson shares his passion for community service, tracing it back to his South American heritage and his parents’ emphasis on volunteering. He highlights his favorite community activity—hosting Women Decision Makers (WDM) events since 2018, which focus on empowering women professionals through educational brunches and networking opportunities.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [03:14]: "Women tend to live longer than our male counterparts, we are the ones that are kind of taking care of the older generation and the younger generation."

Shane praises Tyson for seamlessly integrating his community initiatives with his law firm’s marketing strategy, noting the reciprocal benefits of networking and business growth.

3. Establishing the Law Firm

Tyson recounts the challenging decision to leave a stable position as general counsel at a financial services company to start his own law firm in 2017. Motivated by a desire to prevent others from facing the legal hardships his family endured, he emphasizes the importance of trust and support from his husband, Charles, in making this bold move.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [15:05]: "We made it happen and started off doing estate planning, business, personal injury, which are all three of our core services that we continue to offer."

4. Overcoming Challenges and Scarcity Mindset

Tyson discusses overcoming a scarcity mindset rooted in his father's business struggles. He emphasizes the shift from fear of failure to embracing opportunities, leveraging existing networks, and maintaining an active social media presence to build his client base organically.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [21:10]: "I've had to really shift that and be open to opportunities and trying new things and being okay with failing in certain things because without that risk, there's no big reward."

5. Balancing Work and Personal Life

The conversation shifts to work-life balance, where Tyson and Shane explore strategies for maintaining personal well-being alongside professional responsibilities. Tyson advocates for regular physical activity, even in small amounts, to enhance productivity and mental health.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [28:20]: "I would encourage even law students that are currently in, in law school to stay active or do something. It doesn't have to be a two-hour gym workout."

6. Strategic Hiring and Team Building

Tyson emphasizes the critical role of hiring the right people and implementing effective assessments to ensure a strong team culture. He shares lessons learned from past hiring mistakes, highlighting the importance of accountability and the integration of his daughters into the firm as law clerks.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [31:53]: "When you hire someone and you realize that it's not a fit, it's better to just have that break."

7. Leadership and Delegation

Discussing the dynamics of working with his spouse, Charles, Tyson underscores the importance of clear communication and delegation. He credits Charles with taking on operational responsibilities, allowing Tyson to focus on the legal aspects of the firm.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [38:44]: "We're taking advantage of the advantage because when other people are, you know, asleep or they're not, they're doing other things, we are able to have the conversations that we don't have to wait for tomorrow."

8. Building a Sustainable Vision

Looking ahead, Tyson outlines his vision for the firm by January 1, 2028. He aims to have his daughters fully integrated into the firm, expand to a new office space, and grow the Women Decision Makers events to other cities. He also emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong leadership team to ensure the firm’s continued success and scalability.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [81:13]: "I want to support their growth and have them in a place that has their path set to be able to ultimately take over the firm."

9. Personal Growth and Resilience

The episode concludes with Tyson reflecting on personal growth and resilience. He shares strategies for reframing negative experiences and maintaining a positive mindset, inspired by coaching techniques and the influence of his father’s optimistic outlook.

Notable Quote:
Tyson Mutrux [83:10]: "Keep at it. I think it's been a long road and there's been a lot of sacrifices, but take a moment to be grateful and celebrate where you are and continue to push those goals forward because you can do it."

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Conclusion

This episode offers a wealth of knowledge for law firm owners and those aspiring to build their own practices. Through Tyson’s candid storytelling and strategic insights, listeners gain valuable lessons on overcoming challenges, fostering community engagement, building a robust team, and maintaining a healthy work-life balance. Shane Jasmine Young’s thoughtful questions further illuminate the practical steps needed to achieve sustainable growth and success in the legal industry.

Final Thought:
As Tyson aptly advises his future self, "Keep at it," serving as a powerful reminder of perseverance and gratitude in the journey of building a thriving law firm.

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Listen to the full episode to delve deeper into these strategies and learn how to transform your law practice for unparalleled growth and success.

Transcript

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[Shane Jasmine Young]

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This is Maximum Lawyer with your host, Tyson Mutrix.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Shane Jasmine Young, welcome to the show.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Well, it's, it's a pleasure. So, and especially on a Saturday, it's. You came on, let's see, it's almost 5:00 on a Saturday, so taking time out of your weekend, I appreciate it.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, you know how it is as an entrepreneur, as a business owner, you know, we, we make time for the things that are important to us and it's not work for me.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Absolutely. You know, you, it's interesting about all your social media posts. I went through a lot of stuff and even in the, the survey we had you fill out, it was just interesting how community minded you are and I wonder where that comes from.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, growing up so my parents are actually from South America, so they grew up as teenagers here in the States. And I just remember when I was, you know, know, little, my mom always had us, you know, volunteering and community was just important. And, you know, as I went through school, it was something that was expected, you know, in. In our household, but also, you know, through the different organizations that I was affiliated with. So I think starting out as a young person, it was already something that I was used to doing, that I enjoyed doing and have just continued contributing and. And participating in community service in a lot of different ways.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. What is your favorite community activity to do right now?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right now, I would have to say, are Women Decision Makers events. So we started this group called Women Decision Makers almost about the same time that I started my law firm.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

When was that? What year was that?

[Tyson Mutrix]

So I started the law firm in 2017, and I've been an attorney since 2005. But the firm we started in 2017, within that same year, I would say we started putting on these events for women specifically. Specifically in our community. And the reason why we started it was because we were seeing that in the work that I was doing, I primarily do estate planning. We were seeing that women were the ones that were driving that mission for their families. And so it was actually my husband's idea. We worked together, and he said, you know what? You should start a group for women and just invite all women. We had all these different ideas. So we invite women in the community every other month. We host a breakfast or a brunch type of event. So it's usually the last Wednesday of every other month, and the next one will be November 20, which will be the end of the last one for this year. So then next year, 2025, we'll have. We'll have them going.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Why do you think that women are the ones that drive the estate planning the most?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, I think because there's been a shift in family dynamics, and because, you know, women do tend to live longer than our male counterparts, we are the ones that are kind of taking of the older generation. You know, we tend to be caretakers. We are taking care of the younger generation. And so I think there's just been more of a push and more of an awareness around the importance of planning and having our affairs in order. Because when we don't, you know, ending up in probate, getting taxed, you know, ending up in conflict, those are things that we all want to be able to avoid. And so I think we're now just more aware More educated and more empowered to be able to plan for ourselves and our families.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. So you've been. And you've been doing that event, those events since 2017?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, 2018, I think, for WDM, for women decision makers.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That's, that's interesting. That's inconsistent. Have you been consistent with it?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, we've done. Even through the pandemic, we. So we started out actually doing the events at my office. And the first few events we had about 40 or 50 women.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

And that's, that's a good turnout at the beginning. Nice.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And we didn't market it. You know, this was just something kind of organic. And then it started gaining a lot more traction. And right before the pandemic, it was January of 2020, we had an event and we had over 100 women show up for that event. Then, of course, the pandemic happened and then we shifted to doing the events virtually. So we did that for a few months and then we brought it back. We were doing like a hybrid, you know, of course we were wearing masks and the whole nine. And so we were broadcasting it virtually for those who couldn't attend or didn't want to attend in person. And then people were attending in person as well. The last few years, we've been back to pretty much all in person events for this, and we've had it at different venues, but this year we've actually been hosting them at Via Brazil. It's a Brazilian steakhouse here. So if you haven't been there, you should check it out. Anna Gomes is a client of ours, a friend of ours. So we try to support, you know, other, other business owners, other women in the community.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

It's good. That's a great idea. I kind of think you're crazy that you would start a law firm and then right after that start this other organization.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right, that's.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

What was that like?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, it actually is one of the things that I love to do because I love to be out in the community talking to people. And this event in particular is focused on different things that, that we, as, you know, women professionals, you know, kind of are facing in our personal and professional lives. So we have different topics, different themes. I'll bring in speakers. So it's educational. We, of course, we sponsor the brunch afterwards at the restaurant. So, you know, it's just a fun event for us to be able to have and connect and collaborate. And of course, it brings awareness to what we do in the community, the work that my law firm does. But also it's a way for us to build our network of people that we can refer business to. And so there's a lot of business that happens within that, within that group. It's almost like a good ecosystem.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

What I think is really cool is the, that you were able to sort of capitalize on. You have this passion for this thing. It fits in with your values, but you're also able to market the firm at the same time and they're really consistent with each other. And I think that's really cool.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right. And it is something that just people know us for now doing these types of events in the community. We include our family in it as well. So it is focused. The majority of the attendees are women and very diverse from lawyers, doctors, all types of business owners. Some stay at home moms, some young professionals, you know, young women that are starting out. But I try to include my parents and our family members so our parents will come, you know, my mom, Charles's mom, his dad, the whole family affair. I love it. Our siblings and then we have five daughters. And so I think that's another reason. When you going back to, you asked, you know, why start this group? You know, as the mom of five daughters, I feel like I have, you know, a duty and obligation to show them that, that, you know, there is this community out there and we need to create, you know, create healthy relationships and be there to support each other.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. When I saw that you had five daughters, I was like, oh my gosh, that's, you know, we have three kids. It's boy, girl, boy. Okay. But you have, so you have five. And that's just so, so crazy. What are their ages?

[Tyson Mutrix]

So my youngest is 13 and so Samara's 13, Cameron is 15, Kaylin is 16. And then Kyra and Shira are twins and they're 24. So I had my twins when I was actually pregnant with them when I graduated from college.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

You're kidding.

[Tyson Mutrix]

I was five months pregnant with them. So they weren't planned. This was not a planned thing. But I graduated with being pregnant with them from Pepperdine and we moved back to Las Vegas where our family was. So Charles and I were in California going to school. He was modeling and we came back home. I had the them in April or. Sorry, I graduated in April of 2000. I had them in August and. And I was actually supposed to start law school that fall, but of course we had babies. So I took that year off and on their first birthday, I started law school at Boyd Las Vegas.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

How did you overcome that? So there's you. I'm sure you've seen this with friends and family where like they, they take a, a break from college. Like they're. I'll go back like after my June, after my junior year, I'm gonna take a break, I'm gonna go back, you know, or I'm gonna take a year off from law school. You skipped your first year of law school? Right? Is that.

[Tyson Mutrix]

So what happened? Actually, I, so I went to. I graduated from high school here in Las Vegas. I. And then I, I was a valedictorian and I actually had some AP credits. So, like, for the young people out there, you know, like, it's worth it to take these classes because I had basically a semester's worth of credits going into before I even started college.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That's excellent.

[Tyson Mutrix]

So I, and then I took, you know, just a full, full loads. I took summer, some summer classes. So I graduated from undergrad in three years and so I was actually a year ahead. So when I got pregnant, I wasn't planning on taking that time off, but I was like, okay, well, like, let me just. I'm gonna have these babies. I'll take this year, you know, be home with them. And then. So I basically deferred my law school enrollment for that year and then graduated in three. Actually I started in the part time program that first semester, so I graduated in three and a half years.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So how did you overcome that? Cause a lot of times it's not necessarily the delay, it's the being away from it and getting back in the routine of school.

[Tyson Mutrix]

It was tough.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So how did you get around that?

[Tyson Mutrix]

So I do understand why people will say, just go straight through, because it is difficult to make that shift. You're in that mode of going to class and studying. And then my life completely changed. You know, I got married, I had babies.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Not just one kid, but two kids. Yes. Right off the bat. Yes.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And so that was a huge transition for me, you know, being like basically a young college kid, I was 21. To, you know, having a husband, having like these babies and, you know, learning how to manage, you know, not sleeping, you know, with having newborns. Thankfully, my twins were actually very good babies and they. Good, good as far as, you know, schedule wise. They slept through the night at seven weeks and that's very good. Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Impressive.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah. But it was tough, you know, going back to school when they, they were still little. They were, it was, they were one. I started on their first birthday, so I really did have to kind of get back into the, the Flow of school and that type of schedule. And law school is so different than any other type of schooling that I've ever had. And academics tended to come pretty easy to me. Of course I needed to put effort in. But law school was something totally different. And I remember getting my grades after that first semester. And thankfully, I only had three classes that first semester because they were the worst grades of my career ever. So. Yeah. But thankfully I learned. I was like, all right. I was going in the nighttime program that first semester, and I was like, okay, no, I needed to just go during the day. So my husband and I switched our schedules. I was able to go to school full time during the day, and I did much better, thankfully.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. Was there ever a point where you're like, okay, so you had that delay and then the grades came back not what you wanted? Like, do you ever think, I just can't do this?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, I. I don't think. No, I don't think I ever thought that. I just knew that I didn't really have a choice but to do better. And part of it was ignorance. You know, I started law school and I didn't really know any attorneys. I was the first attorney in my family on both side and even on my husband's side, too. So I didn't really have anyone there to kind of guide me through it. Thankfully, we had really good resources, you know, the law school, the administration here was phenomenal and is still phenomenal. And so I just, you know, leaned on them to guide me through. Through those next phases and. And, you know, they were very supportive. Thankfully, we had a lot of support here with family, too. And I just, you know, you know, I was just grinding. Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Where do you think that drive comes from?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, I've always been a go getter. I'm the firstborn also, and so makes sense that drives.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, like that independent kind of, you know, figure it out. And. And that's what I found through my. My childhood to my adulthood and in my professional career, I've had these plans, and they don't always work out the way that we anticipate, but I know that even when things don't go according to plan, it'll end up working out the way that it's supposed to. And I just got to keep getting up. You know, we're not going to win every challenge, but, you know, I just use the lessons that come along the way and learn and just get up and keep going.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. So I want to Fast forward to 2017 and you were you had worked for a prestigious law firm, you had a really successful career, and I wonder what inspired you to take that leap and then launch your firm.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, so I was scared, actually. It wasn't something that I set out to do when I went to law school. And one of the reasons was because my dad was an entrepreneur. And growing up, he actually started an airline here in Las Vegas.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

You're kidding me.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah. But unfortunately, he hired an attorney, and the attorney, with the help of some third parties, actually took advantage of my dad and kicked him out of control of his own airline. Ran it into bankruptcy. There was litigation. My dad unfortunately ended up losing the case. And so it was tough growing up. That happened while I was in middle school, and the case wasn't settled until I was in college. So there was a lot. Yeah, I went up to the Nevada Supreme Court. So it was tough, you know, growing up and seeing my family go through that, seeing the hardship that my dad had to endure, and, you know, just the emotions, emotional side of it, not even the financial side, but of course, the financial part of it was hard. So when I decided to become an attorney, one of the reasons was because my dad was like, you've got to go to law school so this doesn't happen to you. And you can make sure that people don't get taken advantage of in the same way. And you can help and, you know, do work that's important. And so that's. That was my drive initially, was like, okay, I'm going to do this. This is the path that I'm going to go on, and pursued the, you know, pursued that career. Thankfully, I got a job at, you know, the big law firm. I was making really good money. And the thing about that was I. I just wasn't feeling fulfilled with the work. You know, I felt like there was something else that I was being called to do, but I couldn't really put my finger on it. And there were times where I thought, you know, what? I don't know, like, should I even be a lawyer? Or should I go down a different career path? And thankfully, I stayed with it. And I was in private practice with two national firms for about 10 years total. Then I went in house, and I was the general counsel for a financial services company. And I knew that the plan for the company was to basically get everything in order so that they could sell. Sell the business. So we're trying to maximize the value there. And they had said, you know, when we sell, most likely, you know, you won't have a job because they're going to come in, they're going to put their own executive team and that sort of thing. So I, I knew that it was coming, but it happened probably six or seven months before. I was anticipating that.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So you were like structuring your own demise, right? Yeah, that is, that is a really. Did you, Was there any, any time where you're like, I'm, I'm not doing this, I, I'm, I'm leaving, I'm gonna go get another job.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, I, I think I thought about what direction I was gonna go at at the point of knowing that that was kind of a short term position for me. And my husband though, had said, all right, well, this is the opportunity now for your next step to be starting your own firm. And that was scary to me because I saw, as I mentioned, my dad and you know, the hardships of, you know, having your own business and just the uncertainty. And of course, we had five children at the time and it was like, okay, but we rely on this paycheck, you know, what if it doesn't work out? So I think the fear had kept me from taking that leap. But when I was actually laid off, you know, six months before we anticipated it happening, we had a decision to make, like, okay, well, do I go and get another job or do we just go and start this firm? And I remember coming home that day and talking to my husband and I was like, looking through LinkedIn, you know, and seeing like, okay, should I post? You know, should I start looking for positions? And I thought, you know what? No, I think this is the time that we just go all in and we did it. I had zero clients. It wasn't even like I was coming from a law firm.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That's what's tough about it.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, I didn't have a book of business because I was coming from in house. But thankfully, whatever it was some guiding force. Faith, luck, just opportunity. We made it happen and started off doing, you know, estate planning, business, personal injury, which are all three of our core services that we continue to offer. And the position that I had in my previous job, I was the general counsel. They actually hired me, the new company hired me as their outside counsel. So that was one of my first, you know, large business clients. So that helped with that transition, definitely. And then they tried to rehire me as a, like their full time in, in house counsel. And you're like, no way.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Not doing that again?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, I was like, no, I'm good, thank.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Do you think if they hadn't abruptly closed the business that you would have actually pulled the trigger and started your firm.

[Tyson Mutrix]

I don't think I would have done it at that time. I think I would have continued to drag my feet. I was scared. Yeah, I think I was scared. And without my husband kind of pushing and supporting and saying, look, this is your opportunity. Let's take it now. I don't think I would have done it on my own or otherwise. I think I needed that extra. Just.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

It's nice having that champion. Yeah, it's because. So you work with your spouse, right?

[Tyson Mutrix]

I do.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

I work with my spouse. And so it is nice having that person that, you know is always in your corner.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right. That can. That you can trust, that, you know. You know, has your best interests at heart. So it's definitely a blessing.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

I wonder if. If you all bring work home, like, so, because clearly your. Your father's work affected your childhood. It was a big issue. Not an issue. It was a. It was a big impact. And do you have. Do you have any safeguards in place because of that or how has that affected your parenting style?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, you know, I think the. The biggest thing for me or the biggest impact was the. I had this scarcity mindset growing up because I was like, oh, gosh, you know, like, I saw it happening. Being the oldest, my younger brother and sister didn't really see what I saw. And, you know, my dad would have conversations with me, like, look, you know, this is why these things happen. This is. These are the consequences. You know, so as a young, you know, young person, I was getting exposed to a lot of things that most of my peers, you know, weren't. You know, conversations like real life. Real life things and business exposure. And so as I got older and I had my own family and had my own responsibilities, I still had that fear, you know, that. Well, the fear of failure. Right. But also that scarcity mindset, like, well, what if this doesn't work out? And what if I take this. This risk and what if I fail? And I've had to really shift that and be open to opportunities and trying new things and going outside of my comfort zone and being okay with failing in certain things, because without that risk, there's. You don't get the big reward. And what I've seen is when I take those risks and when I go out there and. And I don't have that fear driving me, then I have the success and. And it just kind of comes. It flows more naturally.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

How long did it take from the time you started the firm to, like, actually you starting to see success and starting to see the. The fruits of taking those risks. Like, how long did it take for you to kind of get past that? Because scarcity mindset is a very dangerous mindset to have. It can put a stranglehold on firms. You're operating out of fe, not. I mean, you're operating out of fear. You're in a really bad spot. So at what point did you start to see things take off to get past that hump?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, thankfully, incrementally, especially at the beginning, I was seeing doors opening and I was opening doors myself. So I think I just, I didn't have a choice. I knew that, like, I had to make this work and we had to make it work or, you know, our family, you know, was at risk. And so I just really organically, I relied on the relationships that I had. And so because I've grown up here, I have a lot of friends. You know, I went to law school here. So kind of tapping into those different networks that I already had established and like letting them know, like, hey, I started my firm. This is the work that I do. You know, like, how can I be of support to you? How can we work together? You know, so going out and meeting with people one on one, having coffee, being really active and engaging on social media, that was huge. Huge, Huge, huge. I tell people all the time, like, do not underestimate the value of social media because that's how people know who you are. And you may not get a ton of business. Like, you might talk about something and you might offer a service and you might not get a direct response to that, you know, that particular post or that particular offer. But it will come, you know, when people understand what you do and what you can't, how you can serve them. So that's why I stay active on social media. But I think it was just taking those steps, you know, and continuing to like, work and build upon each level. So starting with, you know, those first few clients that, that hired me and then I continued to just build from there and it worked.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. So I went through your social media and I was kind of just. Cause I was kind of curious to see like, the things you post about and all that. So it's, it's very community minded, but I also noticed that it's. It's very fitness minded and I wonder where that part comes from.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, so that part started during the pandemic when I've always been very active. You know, I played sports growing up, I played basketball, I ran track My husband I actually met at a track meet.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Tyson Mutrix]

When we were 16 and 17. So we've been. Been together since high school, so I was interested.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

I saw that. That you. That you two are high school sweethearts. My wife and I are high school sweethearts. So I get, I get how that goes. Absolutely. That's. That's really cool.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah. So, you know, sports has always been something that I've kept kind of in my. Even when I wasn't competing, I continued to stay active and work out. So at the time of the. I was. At that time I was going to the gym regularly. I was doing like hot yoga, Pilates, you know, lifting, things like that. And when we had the shutdown, I was like, okay, well, you know, the first week or two, I think I just kind of like waiting to be able to go back to the gym because we thought that that's what was going to happen. And then when I realized, like, oh, shoot, okay, like this is not happening. Yeah. Then I, I was like, all right, well, let me start doing stuff at home to just kind of maintain and stay active. And so I picked up the jump rope. And I hadn't really jump roped since or been active with it since I was in elementary school. So in third grade, for one season, I was on the school's jump roping team called.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Was it jump roping?

[Tyson Mutrix]

I've never even heard of that. It was in Texas. Wow.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Okay.

[Tyson Mutrix]

So I don't think they have them anymore, but at the time we did at least for that year. And so I did that for a season basically, and had gotten pretty good. But I was in third grade, I was still young. So during the pandemic, basically was like, all right, well, let me just do this. This is good cardio. I don't have to go anywhere. I only need a jump rope. It doesn't require equipment. So I started doing that and then just doing at home workouts that didn't really require that much. And I would connect with people on social media. So I'd like do live, you know, social media, you know, broadcast while I was working out. And I was, I was having my kids involved too, because they were at home. And that just allowed me that opportunity to connect. And people would comment and tell me like, oh my gosh, well, that's such a great idea. I'm going to do that with my kids too. Or you know what, I'm going to start working out. And so it just became this thing where as a lawyer that practices in estate planning, which is focused on, you know, family, wealth, health, legacy. Your health is part of that too. Right. And so it was just an easy thing to be able to incorporate into what I do, but something that I do on the personal side that just kind of connects there.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Working out is such an important, like for me. Like, like so I had, I had a shoulder surgery a couple weeks ago and so I've not been able to go to the gym for a couple weeks. And it's like driving me nuts. Yeah, but it's, it's a good demonstration of like how it affects your work. You know what I mean? Like, because you're like, I get anxious, you know, because. And like, I guess what would you, what would your message be to people that are maybe just getting out of law school? And maybe because I, I don't know about you, but when I was in law school I actually kind of let my, some of my health kind of go a little bit. I was focusing too much on studying, you know, like I wasn't sleeping well. So I guess what would your advice be to some of those new, you know, lawyers and, and law students that are about to graduate? Yeah, that would like about like focusing on your health.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Well, I would encourage even law students that are currently in, in law school to stay active or do, you know, do something. And it doesn' be a two hour gym workout. Right. It can be a 30 minute walk. It can be, you know, 20 minutes of, you know, on the bike, you know, 10 minutes of jump, whatever it is that you can do, just like do something and be consistent with it. That's what I found is key because it's easy to fall off, you know, like, for, for people that even have it as part of their routine, when something happens, a surgery, you know, vacation, whatever it is, and they get out of that routine, it can be really difficult to get back on track. And so even when I have a lot of things happening, even if it's just a few minutes, I try to do something just to keep me in that flow. Because as you were saying also it has so many other benefits to not just physical, but your mental. And when you're stressed out about school or work, it's just another outlet to be able to kind of clear some space and you know, get those, get, get the juices flowing, the endorphins and, you know, all that good stuff. So my recommendation would be to like, do something even if you're not, if you're not an athlete, if you would really, if you don't really have like A workout, you know, history or background, just doing something to be active will have so many benefits long term.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

And I think most people think of it as like a cost where like you're going to be less product, product productive. But there's several studies on this that your actual productivity increases like a substantial percentage. It's, it's like several times over. So you, by you actually not working out, you decrease your productivity. So the time that you don't take, you're actually losing so much time, which is, I find that part really interesting because the thought is if I go to the gym, I'm atheist, spend an hour there, I'm gonna take a shower, all that. Yeah. But the net positive is you're, you're healthier, you're gonna live longer, you're gonna look better, and guess what, you're gonna get more work done.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right. And you'll be more focused. That's what I've, you know, I found. And I like to work out in the morning just because it's something that kind of jumpstart my day and it's an easy win.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, like when you get up and you like, that's how you start your day. It's easy to be productive throughout the day because you've already done something that starts, you know, that momentum.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So I hate working out in the morning, but I still do it. I don't like doing it, but I do it because I know if I don't do it, I won't do it. Right. It's one of those things where, like, I will. Yeah. I have to go in the morning and if I don't, then I'm, I'm done.

[Tyson Mutrix]

That happens with me too, because I actually prefer to work out in the evening. But I know that, you know, if I've had a long day or whatever happens, you know, something happened. Yeah. It's easy to just not do it.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

So, yeah, the consistency is key there.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So I want to, I want to shift gears back over to the firm. And you, you say you said something and I. About the practice areas and what's interesting, I. So I went through your Google reviews and I. Because something that's really challenging is like whenever someone has multiple practice areas, because it's really hard to market for it. It's hard to have the systems for it. So I want to ask you, do you, do you think that the strategy you've had when it comes to the, like the three practice areas? Because what actually what surprised me was the, was the car crashes because there was a review that specifically said that you had represented them for like four years and like mentioned like three different things. I was like, well, that's odd. You know, like that's. So do you, I wonder if you think that that has been an effective strategy or if, if you had focused on one of those areas of the three, that you'd be better off.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, that's a great question. I think we actually have really focused on one area in particular as far as the marketing aspect, which is estate planning. So that's what most people know us for is the estate planning side. And that's what we've really put most of our effort and time and resources behind promoting the other kind of ancillary practice areas. Business and personal injury are really there kind of in the background. But we get a lot of business just from referrals, people that know us in the community and just the relationships that we have with clients. Because on the estate planning side we have the opportunity to really talk about all of the things that are happening in their lives and we have an ongoing relationship. So when things happen, and I tell clients all the time, you know, if anything happens and you need, you know, advice, legal counsel, even if it's not legal related, call, because I'm happy to, you know, point you in the right direction, give you a referral, you know, even if it's outside of.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

You want to be the controller of the lead. Right, Absolutely. I agree with that. Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And that's so powerful. I don't think an enough of us do that because we're so focused on, you know, running our firms and like, you know, whatever particular practice area. But there's so much opportunity when people are coming to you. Because for example, I don't do family law like divorce and custody, but we get a lot of those inquiries and, and I have people in our network, you know, really good firms, you know, good friends that are also clients that I say, you know what, this is not something that we do. But I'm happy to help you. I'm happy to connect you with someone that will take care of you and.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

You know that they will.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And I know ye. I have the confidence. So I'm very careful though about who I refer clients to. Right. Because it's a reflection on us and the clients have a bad, you know, experience and they're going to come back to me and be like, Shane, you know, why did you send me that person?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

We'll, we'll give one if, if you screw up one time, you're off the list.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

And unless it's something completely outrageous, it's like the client's being outrageous, but otherwise we're. You're gone. It's. It. You have to be. You have to be very, very careful because it, it's your reputation. It's not their reputation, it's your reputation.

[Tyson Mutrix]

It really is.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

And like, you're so dependent on the referrals and everything else. It's really important, but with that. So I. It's what you said about the estate planning, like everything I saw from a social media standpoint, estate planning website, estate planning for the most part. But that was what was so almost startling to me. It was like I was going through the Google reviews and I don't even know why. I don't normally go through the Google.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Reviews, but I was like, I like that you did. That's good research.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. I was like. And then I was like, car crashes. That's odd. And I was so. I wonder if I've got that impression. What do you think potential clients, let's say it's not a referral. Let's say it's like an actual someone that's finding you on the Internet. I just wonder what you think that.

[Tyson Mutrix]

They think by seeing a review related to.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

It's like all these other practice areas.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, yeah. You know, I think that a lot of it has to do with what people hear, you know, in the community. And so the. Our reputation really is what people are. Are really making their decisions on. And because we have so much out there, like there's so much social media, there's so many opportunities for them. Just go and see, you know, can check out, you know, who we are, who I am.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

You're all over. Yes.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And I have, you know, videos on our website and on demand video that goes into like Estate Planning 101. So I try to make it, like, accessible so they can kind of do their, you know, their own assessment of what they, you know, believe as far as whether it's a good fit or not.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

But yeah, I've got a funny one because I noticed there's a billboard right outside this studio and I. So you are. Is it 26 or 29 years in a row that you got Best of Las Vegas?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Oh, so it's 29 times. So 29 times. Yes, 29 times we've been voted Best of Las Vegas. So we get voted Best of Las Vegas or we have been voted Best of Las Vegas in multiple categories. So we've got, for example, like Best Estate Planning law firm. We had Best Personal injury firm.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

No way. That's what we're doing.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Best customer service. Yeah. Asset protection. Kids protection. Best woman owned business. So there's several categories that we've won. Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

20. 20 what? 29.

[Tyson Mutrix]

29. And then for 2024, we. They're going to be announcing the winners in December, so we'll be able to add to that.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So here's the question. It's kind of funny, but the. Did you see the billboard?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yes.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

What, what are your thoughts when you like when you saw that? Because like there. Okay, so here's where this is coming from. Just for me. So we had, in one of our cities, we had won Best of Columbia two years in a row for injury. And, and then this year we were. It. I, it drove me so crazy that we got second this year.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So crazy. So I wonder like when you saw that, did it, did, did it bother you at all?

[Tyson Mutrix]

It doesn't bother me because, you know, for me I think that there's enough for all of us. Right. There's so much opportunity. The thing that bothers me, I'll be honest with you, is sometimes people will just, just like they'll try to copy what we do.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And so there's a lot of imitation out there, but I also take it, you know, you know the saying, what is it? Imitation is the best flattery. Yeah. So I try to take it as a compliment, you know, that people are looking at what we're doing and you know, they're liking, you know, they're seeing that it works and you know, they're trying to make it work. But my husband, a lot of times, you know, he's just like chain. It's, it's a copy of a copy. You know, it's never, it's not the original. So, you know, it's. In some ways it can be considered competing, but at the same time, you know, it is what it is and it's just part of, it's just part of the business.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

We had a law firm, they were copying our exact social media posts. Like they were taking it, taking the post. And I don't know if they were. I can't remember if they actually just removed our logo and put their logo or if it. But it was like it was identical. Oh no, they just changed the logo. It was, it was like.

[Tyson Mutrix]

That's bad.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That was. Yeah, that was infuriating. That me nuts, right? That was crazy. So I get that too. So when did your husband, what's his name?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Charles.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Charles. When did Charles join the firm?

[Tyson Mutrix]

He Joined from the beginning.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

From the beginning.

[Tyson Mutrix]

From the beginning. I mean, he's definitely become a lot more involved in the last, you know, several years. At the beginning, when I was trying to, you know, just figure out really like what we were going to do on the setup side of it, that was, you know, more so me trying to figure things out. But he's always been part of it. You know, even from the first website that we put together, he was the one that, you know, managed that. So on the marketing side, he's always been that key person and then he has over the past several years moved into more on the operational side of the firm.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Like a coo?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Almost exactly. Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Is that his title or does it's.

[Tyson Mutrix]

COO and then really CEO also, like, but with respect to just running the business side of it, I'm the CEO on the, you know, the legal part of it, of course, as the lawyer. But yeah, we have a good partnership there and we've got, got a really good executive team, we have good relationships with. Regulus Media is another business that we work with that does a lot of our marketing. Media has set up a lot of our operational systems.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Nice. So the makeup of the firm, who do you have in your firm? What's it made up of?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Sure. So Charles and I as the owners and of course I'm an attorney, he's the coo, CEO. We also have another full time attorney in the office, also a Boyd graduate.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Oh, very nice.

[Tyson Mutrix]

From the law school here. And then we have right now one, two, we have got another seven or so staff members, so paralegals, and then two, actually three law clerks. Two of them are my daughters who are now in law school. So the twins that I mentioned, they're in their second year of law school and they work with the firm part time and during the summers they're full time. And then we have another law clerk that works part time with us.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So I'm curious, how were you able to ford afford it like you. Because that is a, that's a really daring thing. Like you, you don't have a job to start the firm. He doesn't have a job to start the firm. So how are you able to afford life at that point?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, we really had to dip into our savings, our retirement, you know, any resources that we to be able to build to the firm. And that was also scary, you know, because it's like, okay, well, we have no guarantees, you know, on the other side of these investments that we're making. But I think when we just like failure was just not an option, you know, like an overall failure. We've had lots of small failures. It's part of running expected, right?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

But I think we were very intentional and strategic in the decisions that we were making and how we were going to spend our time, what we were going to be focusing on, how we were going to serve clients, the investments that we were making into. Into our business. And it's a lot different, you know, working with your spouse, you know, on. On a business level versus, you know, being married, you know, husband and wife. There are a lot of different dynamics.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Talk about some of those challenges.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, it has been challenging in that I've been a lawyer for so long, and this was my first business that I started, but my husband has had several other small businesses, so he was coming from a different perspective. And because it was a law firm, and of course it ends up falling on me and my license and all of these things. Ultimately, you know, to me, it was hard for me at first to let go of some of the control as far as how things were going to be done, you know, what decisions were going to be made with the firm. But as we continued to grow and, you know, of course I couldn't do everything on my own, and I had to make sure that we had the right people doing the right things, thankfully, because I trust him and. And I was able to see a different side of him on the professional side that we never really had the benefit of seeing before because we never really worked together. We always kind of did our separate things. So that has been such a great opportunity and a blessing because I would have never been able to have that appreciation for him had it not been for the firm.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Was there any hesitation at the beginning to bring him on?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, I don't know that there was any hesitation. I think that it. I just didn't know what it was going to look like, you know, and I thought he might just be more kind of in the background and not really involved in the overall running of the firm. I think I thought I was probably going to be responsible for that. And he might have, you know, different parts or pieces to it, but thankfully, he's stepped in and taken so much off of my plate. And not so much, not necessarily work, because I'm always going to have the legal work in that side of it. Right. But a lot of just the pressure and the stress of, you know, putting certain things in place, you know, whether it's marketing or whether it's a system or a process or procedure. Within the firm, you know, hiring. That's one of the biggest things is.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

It's one of the hardest parts.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yes. You know, managing the people so it doesn't all fall on my shoulders. And I have a lot of. Of my friends, colleagues, peers, where they have their own firms and they don't really have that support. And I can't imagine there's no employee.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That works at your firm that is nearly as loyal. Loyal and someone you can trust as much as your husband.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Exactly.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. And so we have that same thing. I think my biggest fear was it wasn't a hesitation, was a fear about it affecting the marriage. Did. Did you have any of those concerns?

[Tyson Mutrix]

I think. I don't know that I had concerns about that, you know, early on. But I did know that if we didn't learn how to properly communicate or work on our communication on the business side, because a lot of it blurs together. And you asked, or you started asking, I think, a little bit earlier about do I do things differently than my dad? Because I grew up seeing him. And we don't really have any separation as far as work and our home life, because we go to the office and we're there and we're working, of course. And sometimes family things come up and we have those conversations while we're there because we have the proximity. And then when we're at home. And I also do work from home sometimes, too. So when we're at home, something comes up. You know, even if it's on the weekend, even if it's, you know, after working hours, it's a conversation that we have or, you know, it's something that we might, you know, sit down and, you know, map out or work on, Even if it's not something that's planned, you know, for some people, I think that would be hard because there's no separation. There's no on and off. But for us, it just works. You know, we have a good flow to it, and we. We call it. Or. Or he says, you know, we're taking advantage of the advantage, you know, because when other people are, you know, asleep or they're not. They're doing other things, we are able to have the conversations that we don't have to wait for tomorrow.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah, I like that. Taking advantage of the advantage. That's good because it's. Does. It's impossible for it to not blend in with each other. There is. We did have to set some boundaries, you know, and a lot of it does come down to communication and how you communicate. So I like I like the way you put that. Yeah, that was really good. The. What about your kids? Are any of your kids still at home?

[Tyson Mutrix]

All of them.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So all of them are still. Yes. How do you prevent it from bleeding into those relationships?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right. You know, part of it, because our oldest are also part of our firm. You know, they work at the firm. You know, they're kind of sucked into the conversations sometimes, and, you know, we might be having dinner and we'll be talking about something work related, but I think it's just because we're so passionate about our business and about the work that we do and ultimately our family. And our family. You know, our kids understand that the life that they get to live is because of the work that we do. And so. So sometimes we might have to focus or dedicate time to work. And our daughters are old enough now to where they understand, but they'll have their time where they're like, okay, so when do we get to do this? Or when do we get to spend time doing whatever? So Charles and I have made more efforts towards carving out that time for family and doing things one on one with our girls. We've been doing more family vacations, so we try to do, like, once a year, we do a family vacation. Charles and I actually just came back from Mexico. We were in Puerto Vallarta, and so we were there for a week, and we did have the opportunity to talk about some, you know, work things and strategy. But then we also had that downtime where it's just kind of balancing it and finding the right moments and the right time to do what we need to do. Do.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Do you all ever set aside, like, weekly time for each other, like date nights or anything like that?

[Tyson Mutrix]

We do. We don't have necessarily, like, a specific day or, like, a structured, you know, time for that. But we are pretty good about you know, saying, like, hey, like, even Thursday, Thursday night, or Thursday during the day, I was like, hey, do you want. I texted him, like, do you want to go on a date tonight? And he was like, yeah, sure. And so our dates usually consist of going out to eat.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That's. That.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Listen, that is.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Ours are too y. Exactly.

[Tyson Mutrix]

But. But yeah, like, those moments or even, you know, something happens in our schedule, you know, we'll. We'll be like, hey, do you have plans for lunch? Like, let's go grab something. So just finding those little pockets of time to. To spend together.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

We call them day dates. Those day dates are nice. Yes. Like, those little dates, like, in the middle of the day really Cool. Yeah, those are like, really nice moments because you, You. Because that's part of blending together. You know what I mean? It's kind of hard to have them completely separate. I think it's things unrealistic to say they're separate.

[Tyson Mutrix]

I agree.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Now, okay. So whenever I. I picture you, I online in person, you've got a lot of energy. You present really well online, same thing. But as you know, there's not. It's not all that. It's not like that all the time. There. There are some darker moments that, like, you, like we were mentioned, like, it. Things happen where, like, you'll fail. Like, there's on small things, you'll fail. You have to get back up, dust yourself off, and keep going, going. What are. And the reason why I asked these. It's because I think it does help other law firm owners. Like, okay, what are some mistakes other people have made? And how can I make sure that I don't make those mistakes? Can you think of anything where, like, some of those darker moments that you're like, oh, gosh, this sucks? Like what? Like, what were some of those.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, I would say some of the hard points for me were one, we talked about having the right people. Right. And so even though I've had the support, you know, my husband and I are there to support each other when we've hired certain people that didn't work out and that I really had other hopes for. You know, there was one in particular where we made a lot of investments, you know, into this person, and they were with the firm for several years, but they just weren't in a position to be able to grow. You know, they wanted to kind of stay small. And so it just wasn't a good fit. And because I'm a very loyal person, even when I knew it wasn't working, I still didn't. I didn't want to see it and I didn't want to see because it ended up becoming a not very good situation where that person start. You know, it kind of shifted, and I think I waited too long to make the break and because I was just like, oh, you know, I don't want to. I don't want to do that. I want to see, like, how we can make it work. And. And so that I would say that was really tough for me because when I have those, I build those relationships and I care about people. Like, I cared about that person not just as a professional, but, you know, like as, you know, a close friend. And it's. That's. That's tough for me to separate. So I would say that, would. That, that those kinds of examples are really difficult.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Those ones are tough, especially because you, you usually the red flag is like, I like the way things used to be. I don't, I don't like, like, I don't, I don't like it this way. That's usually. What is it? Was it kind of that.

[Tyson Mutrix]

It was like that. Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Strangling your growth.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Exactly. And as we were continuing to grow and you know, we were getting more clients and so being able to scale, we had to put new systems in place and new processes. And so it wasn't just like this mom and pop shop anymore.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Exactly.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, we, we weren't just writing on a notebook or like putting things into a spreadsheet. Like, we need actual systems and accountability was a really big thing and it's really easy to hide in certain structures.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So we, we implemented top grading. It's probably, probably two years ago now, maybe 18 months. But we're. I don't know if you ever. Have you read that book Top Grading? It's, it's, it's. If you ever want to like, redo your hiring and like, so it's like, like we have an on point hiring process. It's good. And we had already had a process, but this put it over the top. It's fantastic.

[Tyson Mutrix]

But I need to read it.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

We, it's interesting. We started to do this and whenever I told them, I said, listen, some of you're not going to like this and some of you may want to leave and that's completely fine. I was just very open about it. And it was interesting, the accountability component of it where people, you, you, you, you figured out who was the right fit for the firm and who wasn't. And so that's interesting. Like, what, what were you basing your changes on? Because like we, we just, we went off top grading and so I wonder what changes you made and like, kind of what were you basing on? On.

[Tyson Mutrix]

So it was based on what our goals were. You know, and it was funny because this, that person in particular, it was one of the first hires that we had made. Right. And so like, you know, they had been with us the longest, you know, had been kind of in the trenches with like, okay, well, how do we structure these things? And had been really involved. And I think part of the reason why it was difficult was this person really felt, felt like, you know, they had like this ownership stake.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yes.

[Tyson Mutrix]

In it. Even though, you know, they weren't let Me guess.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

I mean, let me. I'm gonna guess some. Some traits. So he or she said, was it. She. She told you how valuable she was to the firm and how she was part of building the firm to where it was that she works really hard. She works harder than everyone else. No one else is following the rules, but she probably wasn't following the rules herself.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Are these all making sense?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, pretty much. And one of the things with. Was it was like, she wanted to control everything. And so she would overwhelm herself with work and say, like, yeah, Shane, I'm taking care of it. You know, and I trusted that she.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Would, but I don't have time.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right. Or, like, okay, I'm taking care of it. And, you know, I take people at their word until I can't.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Until you can't.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right. And so it was like, she didn't want to delegate, even though we had other people to do other things, like, she didn't want to delegate things. And then we realized, okay, well, certain things weren't being done, and things slipped through the cracks. And so, you know, I learned some hard lessons on just, you know, I just can't, like, trust, but verify is what an old boss had told me. He was like, okay, you know, you don't want. Want to come off as someone that's, you know, necessarily, like, micromanaging or. Or that you don't have confidence in, you know, the people that you've hired. But you always need to verify, and, you know, there always needs to be that accountability piece. And I think accountability is huge.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

It's. It's. It's.

[Tyson Mutrix]

It's so huge.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

I wouldn't say it's everything, but it's almost everything. It's. It's a big part of it, and.

[Tyson Mutrix]

A lot of people have trouble with it.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah, you have to be able take ownership over it and fess up whenever you're not getting things done. And, I mean, you got to do the work. But it's. Yeah, that's something we noticed is like, the. The ones that were the right culture fit were the ones that. They weren't the ones saying, you know, give me another thing, and not doing. It's like, the thing. They would instead say, listen, I. I can't do that. I don't have enough time in my day. And here's why. Like, and so. And the. The big tell for us was like, if you're, like, hoarding information as opposed to just, like, being open, like, listen, here's why I can't do these things, like, Saying, I can do this, and, like, hoarding the information. Like, that's. That's where, like. And a lot of it does come down to accountability, because they want to show that they are doing all these things, and they're telling you they're doing all these things. In reality, they're not Right. And they don't want to be held accountable for it.

[Tyson Mutrix]

But they want the pats on the back. Exactly. The praise. But, yeah, and. And those are difficult situations. But I think it just also goes back to. In what we've learned through the course of the last several years, is it's worth it to take your time to hire the right people. And when you hire someone and you realize that it's not a fit, it's better to just have that break. And, you know, I've had to. We've had people in positions longer than we should have just because we're trying to exhaust every opportunity. Like, okay, well, maybe they just need training. Maybe they just need. Okay, let's give them some more support. But now we've gotten to the point where it's very clear, and we know, you know, early on, and thankfully, we've been able to come up with a much better hiring process. You know, vetting, you know, incorporating different types of assessments.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. What do you do? I was curious, because we implement assessments. Like, we. We do personality tests and all that kind of stuff. We use Colby for, like, assessments for, like, when it comes to scores and all that. Like, what are some things you do?

[Tyson Mutrix]

We've. So we use similar types of personality tests. There are certain assessments that are built into the, like, some of the hiring platforms that we've used, and. And then we just actually launched one, and I am forgetting the name of it. Monkey something. Does that sound familiar?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Is it. It's for assessments.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Interesting.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Oh, now I'm gonna. I just. I. We just started. I started going through it today, and. Are you. Are.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So are these, like, quizzes? Is that kind of, like, Survey Monkey or using, like, some, like, Survey Monkey?

[Tyson Mutrix]

It's not a survey, but it's an actual assessment. Interesting. I'll have to get it to you later. But. But, yeah, we basically were able to build the assessment specific to a particular position we wanted. And so it's like a timed assessment, and. And you can have them come into the office to do it. You can send them a link to do it, and they have to have, like, their camera on.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Oh, that's. So we don't. It's. I like that element. So we do. We do the surveys and all that we like ours is like all this is automated, but the, the camera element I like is. And that's done through that monkey.

[Tyson Mutrix]

It's. Yeah. And if I, I'll have to look it up. Oh my gosh. It's going to drive me insane saying if I, if.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Because we do have them in the, in the other room. So if they find it, maybe they can bring it and tell us what it is. Yeah, the. We don't have an ability on the screen to put it up otherwise we could do that. But.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, but you can basically build your own assessment through this tool and you know, different things for different positions. But like one part of it is like a time management set of questions and it's like problem solving basically to see like how people work through different scenarios. Scenarios. So it'll give you, you know, like this fact pattern and then, you know, multiple choice, you know, options for how to. How to deal with that particular type of situation. So you get into kind of, you know, how. How their mind works, the mindset to be able to see, okay, well, is this someone that would be aligned with, you know, how we, how we do.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Things at Young Law Group just for references?

[Tyson Mutrix]

They do.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. References is so crucial because it's funny even. Even when. If they compliment a candidate, you can tell when it's not genuine. Genuine. You know, so there's like the. Or the way the compliment is given. Like the. Like the way they like to say the. The. Because like a genuine compliment is. Is that. Listen, Shane, she. You can tell she always comes to work on time. Whenever she comes in here, she does this. This. She. They're very specific about the things that Shane does. Right. As opposed to like, you know, know what? We would. We would. Shane's a great. We would. We would hire again. Right? Like one of those things. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's not.

[Tyson Mutrix]

That's not really helpful.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Not really at all. But yeah, so the. And that's where like, so Kristen, she's our office administrator, she'll call. We have these list of questions we'll ask and we get, okay, what's the best way of managing this person? All that which is really, really helpful. Like, what are some ways. What are some things that you've seen in Shane where she doesn't. Doesn't take feedback very well? Like, so you ask all these questions where it helps us that even if we see some red flags and like they're small, it helps us manage the employee better too, which is the, Those. Those checks. Those reference checks are so key.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah. And you go into. You go into this engagement already with information.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, so that, you know how to, you know, kind of guide. Guide that employee.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That's crucial. Yeah. Do you do anything like. So, like, we do the. The Colby personality test. Do you do anything like DISC or Colby like that to. You manage people.

[Tyson Mutrix]

The scores at my prior job, where I was the general counsel, we did disc, but now I think DISC is outdated.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Really?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

It's funny, I. I had a. We had someone on earlier that. He loves disc. So it's. It is interesting that people that like disc. But. Yeah, I could. I can't reference if it's outdated or not, but. Yeah, so I. I don't. I don't think it's as popular as what.

[Tyson Mutrix]

But now there are a lot of different things, so we do a combination of things. So, like. And I like to see kind of the different results based on the different tests. But, like, Colby's one, a disc, of course, there's. Oh, my gosh. It'll come back to me. But another one is human design.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Oh, I've not heard of that one.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Okay. So human design is interesting because it's based off of your birth date and birthplace. So it's basic. It's really like how you are designed.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Interested? This is fascinating.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah. If you go to the website is, I think, Jovian archive, and I can send it to you later. At the bottom, if you scroll down, if you Google, like, human design. Jovian human design, scroll down to the bottom. You can take your own test, your own assessment, but you just need to know your date of birth, the time of your birth and your location, the.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Time of your birth.

[Tyson Mutrix]

So it's like the cousin of astrology is how they describe it.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That's what it sounds like. Yes.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah. But it's very interesting. So I've done it. My husband's done it. And then we also had basically like a coach kind of do an assessment of the two of us. So we. Yeah, we were able to do that. And I think there's different categories of people that. Like projectors, generators, manifestors, and they're like different subsets. It's very interesting.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Do you find it to be accurate?

[Tyson Mutrix]

I do, Yeah, I do, I do. But I think there's no, like, one size fits all type of thing. So I think just like, utilizing these different ways of assessing personality and performance and, you know, like, your human design, I think it kind of goes into being able to get a fuller picture.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So we had Dr. Melvin King on. He was the one talking about disc. So he's here in Vegas with you as well, and. But he was talking about how, like, people think that your score is your score and it's not true. Like, it's really situational where, like, your score might change. Like, so if you're at. At home, your discord might be one thing, but if you're at work, it might be a different thing. So that's. That's an interesting part of it too, where. Even though. Yeah. Even if it's the. What you call it, what was it? Human. What?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Human design.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Human design. Even if that is accurate in some situations, it may not be accurate in others.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. Which is. Which is also an interesting part of it as well.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And it also goes into, like, decision making.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yes.

[Tyson Mutrix]

It'll tell you, like, my. My natural disposition is to hold, like, hold off on making decisions and, like, trying to be very deliberate and taking time to process. But most times if I just, like, made the decision based on my instinct, that's the best decision, you know, and.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

There'S actually a lot of studies on that where the best decision makers are actually the ones that make the ones right away. And it's actually not. It's not that you've made the right decision, it's that you've made a decision which, like, the delay is what causes the harm. Which I think that's the interesting part of it.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So you mentioned coaching. What role has that played in your ability to scale?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, we've utilized different resources throughout my, you know, our journey in having the law firm and being part of different groups, you know, different organizations, even things like the, you know, chambers.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Sure.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Those are really good entrepreneurs or organization. You know, EO is another, I think, really just relying on the experiences and what people share with you, you know, from business owners. So when I started my firm, I already had some friends that had their own law firms. And so I was just like, hey, I need your help. You know, like, how. What do you recommend for this and that? And, you know, different questions. And I can, you know, we continue to do that and help and support each other. So even if it's. It doesn't necessarily, I would say, have to be like a formal, like, coaching experience. But when you do have, you know, the opportunity to really, like, tap into, you know, like a platform or a coaching program, like, what you provide. Yeah, I highly recommend it because. Because you'll save so much time and heartache and resources when you just make some of those investments. And so I think that that's something that I probably would have done earlier in my law firm journey.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Why do you think you hesitated?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, I think because I didn't really know at first the direction that I wanted to go. And, you know, we were part of things like, you know, new law business model. And so that was like, that, that was helpful, like, for, you know, that stage of our. Of our growth. And, you know, from there, we've been able to just research and build and. And I think just being innovative is important. Being open, you know.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. Not getting stuck in your way is really important.

[Tyson Mutrix]

That is so important, especially as we've seen in the. The past few years, so much changes. You know, with the pandemic, things have changed a lot as far as the dynamics of how services are provided and. And how people decide to hire. You know, so.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So there's a couple things that you've said over the last, you know, 30 minutes where you said, you mentioned the goals that you all have when you're talking about hiring. And then you had just mentioned, though, is about. You just didn't know about. I don't. I don't know how you put it. Basically, it sounds like you didn't know where you're headed. Right. Right. So it sounds like, though, you might now have a vision in mind. And so I wonder, what was your original thought as to how you. Where you thought you might be at this point? Right. And, like, now what's your vision for what the firm is?

[Tyson Mutrix]

It's interesting because I. I think about that sometimes, like, when I first started the firm, like, where did I see it going? Or what was my goal? And I don't even know that I knew that at that time. It was just, okay, this is what we're doing. This is what we're. We'll see how it goes. I think that vision came more so from my husband, where he was the one, you know, kind of behind the scenes and just, like, pushing me along. And I was just like, all right, okay, yeah, no, all right, yeah, I'm on board with that now. I think I see it a lot more clearly. I've had the time to, you know, take it in and understand. And of course, you know, we've had so many conversations, so much time that we've spent really, like, charting this course and talking about what we want to be able to do moving forward. And, you know, part of that includes having, you know, this other set of lawyers that are coming in, you know, to the firm, you know, the existing, you know, lawyer and lawyers of counsel, our daughters you know, being able to step into these roles, another massive advantage.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

You know, that you'll have. Yes, right.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, so that frees me up to be able to go and do these other things and, you know, other things that I'm interested in doing is, you know, of course, more speaking. I do a lot of speaking engagements now, but, you know, really like going into doing more of that and stepping outside of doing, not as much on the lawyering side.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So are you hoping to maybe one day turn the firm over to the girls?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

How cool would that be?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, yeah. I think we'll still be involved. You know, I'll always be involved until maybe I retire at some point. And even if I kind of retire, I would still be wanting to be involved, but I know with time and experience, they'll be able to step in. And the leadership team that we have in place, that we've continued to cultivate with training and coaching, and we have it set up to be able to step out and stuff.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So you've mentioned your leadership team a couple times. What effect has that had on. On the growth of the business?

[Tyson Mutrix]

It's huge. Because when you have good people in place, it allows me as a business owner to not worry about the things that I would worry about otherwise, you know, and not have to be doing all of the things, you know, and be involved in everything and all of the decisions. So it's important, I think, that you make those hiring decisions carefully. And what I've done, you know, with our team, you know, including, you know, like our senior paralegal is our office manager. And so she's. She's an amazing paralegal. And, you know, she's in this leadership role now where it's, you know, it's a different skill set.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Completely different skill set. I want to ask you about that.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So do you. What were. Because that is a. That is a. Sometimes it's a mistake, sometimes it's a brilliant idea where, like, they will promote a person, someone will promote a person to a position just because they feel like they deserve, they appreciate, earned it, but they really are not qualified for it. So what are your. How have you adjusted to make sure that she's equipped to be in that role?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, really just providing her with the support and the authority to know that you don't have to do everything. And we don't want you to do everything. We want you to know how to do these things. Yes. And to be involved, but in order to inspect for what we expect. Right. So that other people can Be doing this work, work, and you. You're managing it.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

So I think it's hard. It can be a hard shift, you know, the same shift that I had to make where I wasn't the one that was doing everything. It's hard to let go of some of that. It's hard to delegate. It's hard to trust and have confidence sometimes. And so giving, you know, reminding her and giving her that, you know, that support, that coaching is important, and also hiring the right people, people to be on the team that she can have confidence in, you know, it's. It's that cycle, you know, it has a major effect on our ability to grow because when we didn't have the right people in. In place, we had to kind of refocus our attention in our time.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Very distracted. When you have the wrong people. The. What. What do you think has been the. Maybe the most difficult thing to let go?

[Tyson Mutrix]

The most difficult thing to let go in having my firm?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Well, I think when we first started, the most difficult thing for me was just the stability, you know, of, like, having that. Like the prior, you know, prior position, prior title, you know, I had this identity, you know, prestige part of it.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yes, right.

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, like being at the big firm, you know, making really good money and really having to kind of take a step back and just like, build that was probably the hardest thing. But also the great. It's provided the greatest benefit because we've been able to grow so much and create so much more.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Do you think your colleagues out here thought you were crazy?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, I think they were probably. I don't know that they would think I was crazy because I had been an attorney for a while, so I don't think it was that surprising.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

But.

[Tyson Mutrix]

But I've had a lot, you know, a lot of my colleagues, my friends that have been similar situations, gone from, you know, that stability, good firms, you know, good positions, to starting their own firms, and they've struggled. And then some of them have had to go back, you know, into working with a firm because things didn't work out. So I think it all just goes back to making the right investments, having the right mindset, you know, spending your resources, your time, your money in the right ways, and you're not always going to make the right decisions. And that's something that I've had to also learn to be better about, is to not dwell on the things that don't work out, because I tend to take the negative things, you know, or the failures or the disappointments a Lot harder. Like, my lows are a lot lower than, like, they're not equal to the highs.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Why do you think that is?

[Tyson Mutrix]

I think it's just part of, part of like who I am as a person. And I think a lot of us have that same quality. Quality where we will just be really hard on ourselves when it doesn't happen the way that we, you know, want it to or if we, you know, fail at something or we don't perform the way that we have the expectation. A lot of it's that self imposed pressure.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And we don't really take the time to celebrate, you know, the big things as they should be celebrated, you know, equally. So I go back to when we talk about coaching in playing sports, one of the things that we've taught, you know, our girls and, and our young athletes is, you know, next play, like, okay, you make a mistake, it's all right. You, you got to f. You got to learn from it and refocus and focus on what's next. So, you know, that's Jason Silk. What's the name?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

His name's Jason S. He's a, he's a sports psychologist.

[Tyson Mutrix]

I know.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So he is. I love that you said next play. So he, he's actually my coach. He was the sports psychologist for the Cardinals when they won the last two World Series. He's. He's the sports psychologist for SMU football now. I think, like, he's really good, but he talks a lot about like the using like the analogy of like the baseball player that there he. It's his contract year and he's at the plate and it's, it's a full count. Do you know anything about baseball? A little bit.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Basketball is more my sport.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Okay. So I'll use, I'll continue down this route, but it's his analogy, so I'll continue with it. But so he, he takes third strike, which is a no no. Right. So he strikes out. So then he goes on to left field and all he's thinking about is, oh my gosh, I'm going to get cut. My wife's going to get so mad at me. It's a contract year. This is awful. I'm going to have to sell my house. And all of a sudden another hit, A hit comes his way. He misses it, there's an error. And so now he's thinking, oh my gosh, I, I struck out. I just now had an error. He's in the process, another one comes his way. So he's got another error. Like he just Snowballed, right? And. And what should happen is you strike out, okay? It happens. You got to left field next play, right? Same thing. So he got focus on the process. So knees bent, head up, glove ready, like that's what you focus on as opposed to what just happened.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

But it's. It's easy, though, to get mired in that, right? In the day to day where maybe a client's not so happy.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

You know, you get. You get a review and it's not great.

[Tyson Mutrix]

I take it to heart.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

I do, too.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Oh, my gosh. I take it so personally. So I try, but, you know, it's. And actually it was funny. My. I had this conversation with my oldest daughters who are twins, and I said, you know, that this is something that I continue to work on. And one of them had something come up. I don't know, they had an assignment they didn't do as well as they anticipated or had hoped. And, you know, she came home and she was like, I'm just like feeling like, so down about this. Like, what do you do? You know, like, we talked about this the other day and I said, you know, I just try to keep it in perspective. Like, this is one little blip. And, you know, look at all of the things that you've done. Well, look at all of the accomplishments that you've, you know, that you've achieved, and look at where you're going. Look at the opportunities that you have, you know, look at the blessings that you have, you know, today. You know, you're loved. You have all, you know, gratitude is very powerful. Yes. An attitude of gratitude is something, you know, so, so important.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. So Jason calls, like, you. You actually mentioned what you've done. Well, he calls them done wells. So, like, what are you. What are the things you' well, like, so whenever Tom I'm talking to, like, okay, he'll go and like, okay, what are you really proud of right now? What is. What's something you're working on that you're like, really like you. You're so happy that you're like. So we kind of focus on that stuff. And he always starts with that. And like, there. He's got a whole, like, process every day to, like, focus on, like, the things you've done. Well, even the little things, even if you move things forward an inch.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Right.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

And it does. It's a nice little reset where you. Okay.

[Tyson Mutrix]

And you're reframing. Yeah, You're. You have to. I think that's important, especially as a, as a business owner, as A lawyer, you know, that we have that reset button and that we give ourselves that grace, you know, to make mistakes. But as long as we're learning from it and we're using it as an opportunity, you know, one of the things that we do or that we've done at home and in our. In our office is we. We used to call it the pit and the peak. So, like, what's the pit? Like, what was the pit of your week? So, like, the low point and what was the peak? So, like, let's. Let's talk about, you know, something that, you know was a low point, but then let's talk about something to celebrate. We actually changed the terms to highlight an opportunity because, you know, we don't want to focus on the negative, but, like, okay, so where was. What was the opportunity that we had? And so we. When we have our team meetings, which we have a monthly team meeting, we all go around, you know, everyone goes around and shares. Is their, you know, their opportunity for the. The month or the week? It doesn't have to be the whole month. But, you know, what was the opportunity? What did we learn from it? You know, how can we be better? How can we improve? And what was the highlight, you know, what is something that we can celebrate?

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So we do something very similar with the firm about that, like with our leadership board. It's. It. We. It's called. We call it Growth Opportunities used. Our first iteration was, because it's a Kanban board, it was issues, and we changed it from issues to Growth Opportunities because. Exactly that's what it is, like, is your opportunity to grow, you know, and it. It might not be great right now, but it's, you know, it doesn't have to stay that way. So it is. There are opportunities. I think that's. I think that's a good way of viewing it.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Always. Always an opportunity for growth.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So, I mean, you seem like you've generally always been pretty positive. So, like, where do you think that comes from?

[Tyson Mutrix]

Yeah, you know, that's a good question. I think that I've seen how a negative mindset can have an impact and, like, how your thoughts are so powerful. And when I find myself, you know, kind of going into that space of negativity, I know it's not gonna serve me. And so I just try to. I just try to keep that as a reminder, you know, And I have, you know, I have my bad days. And I think that that's something that people don't always acknowledge because, you know, other people that are looking, you Know, they see, they see what I post on social media. You know, they see all the nice, happy, fun things. But, you know, there are days where I have, you know, I have tough times. I, you know, I have my little breakdowns and frustrations and, you know, where I am not at my best. But I try to, you know, get past it. I try to do something that's going to, you know, like reframe or give me a different perspective. You know, I think like we were talking about earlier, just going back to that, you know, that gratitude, you know, something that you can appreciate. You know, what is a blessing that you, you know, you're grateful for today and you know, things are not always going to go our way, but we just got to focus on what we can do and what is positive and that's where we, we end up being able to overcome those challenges.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

How did, do you remember, like, whenever you were a kid, like your dad was going through all that? Like, do you, like, how do you, do you, how do you remember him handling it?

[Tyson Mutrix]

You know, my dad is a dreamer and he's always been.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

That's where this is coming from, I.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Think so, you know, like, he's always been very optimistic and always confident. You know, I never saw him waver in his, you know, who he knew he was and you know, what the outcome was going to be. Now, it didn't always work out, you know, and things did fall apart at different points. But even with things not working out for him, he's always had that mindset, like, I can do it, you know, I can make this happen and I'm the person to do it. So I think that just, you know, seeing him be confident, even in the face of not, you know, things not working out the way that he had planned, I think that that kind of gave me, gave me that perspective.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Yeah. So I want to, I want to wrap up on this because you were just talking about the dreamer part and that's why, that's why I want to end with this, is that I want you to be able to come back and listen to this episode at your 10 year mark, which is 2027. Right? Okay, so let's say, let's give it you January 1st, 2028. Okay, what. Where do you want to see the firm on January 1, 2020? Like, what, what do you want to make sure you have accomplished? Like, where do you want it to be at that point? Because I want you to be able to come back and listen to this episode and be like, I did it, you know, What I mean, so where, like, where do you want it to be?

[Tyson Mutrix]

I want, I would like to see the firm. So January 1, 2028, that means that my daughters will be attorneys, licensed attorneys. So I will want to support their growth and have them in a place that has their path set to be able to ultimately take over the firm. I want to be in a new office space. I'd like to be in our own building that we get to build that is able to accommodate capacity wise, the growth that we're expecting. Um, I'd like to be able to have, I think it, it ultimately boils down to, you know, like having that strong team in place where I know, you know, whether I'm in the office or not, that, you know, they're, they're running the firm and things are being handled the way that they should, should be that we're continuing to serve clients, you know, in this community and, you know, expanding out, you know, doing other things and including expanding women decision makers to other cities. Yeah, I think just continuing to grow the platform so that I can be out doing more things like this.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

So what is your message to yourself on 20 when you listen to this, on January 1st of 2028, what's your message? So give a message to yourself. You're talking to yourself, your future self. What's your message?

[Tyson Mutrix]

My future self, I would say, you know, keep at it. I think it's been a long road and there's been a lot of sacrifices, but take a moment to be grateful and celebrate where you are and continue to push those goals forward because you can do it.

[Shane Jasmine Young]

Shane, Jasmine Young, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

[Tyson Mutrix]

Thank you so much for having me. Been a blast.

[Max Lacon]

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