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Episode: 20 Signs You Might Be Neurodivergent. The Danger of Online Self-Diagnosis and How Better Understanding Our Brains Can Improve Our Lives.

Date: November 21, 2025
Host: Mayim Bialik
Co-host: Jonathan Cohen

Overview

In this episode, Mayim Bialik and co-host Jonathan Cohen deliver an in-depth, nuanced exploration of neurodivergence—including what it means to be neurodivergent, the explosion of self-diagnosis online, and the value (and risks) of embracing a neurodivergent identity. The episode demystifies the broad umbrella of neurodiversity by parsing out definitions, examining societal and personal impacts, and reflecting on the pitfalls of over-simplification via social media. Mayim and Jonathan openly share personal stories, discuss online quizzes, and debate how best to celebrate neurodivergence as a source of strength—while cautioning against reducing complex neurological realities to TikTok trends.

Main Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction: Are You Special or Just Over-Pathologizing? (00:00)

• The hosts open by questioning societal narratives: "Are you really special or are you psychopathologizing yourself?" (A, 00:00).
• Neurodivergence is presented as a concept that's both empowering and confusing, especially given its expanding definition and usage online.

Defining Neurodivergence & Its Broad Umbrella (03:10–08:50)

• Neurodivergence affects 15–20% of the global population, with enormous impact on work, relationships, and self-perception.
• Definitions and categories under neurodivergence include:
  • Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADHD, dyscalculia, dysgraphia, dyslexia, dyspraxia, sensory processing disorder, social anxiety, Tourette’s, Williams syndrome, Prader-Willi, Down syndrome, intellectual disabilities, bipolar disorder, OCD, and more.
• Mayim notes (08:50): “For me, when approaching this topic, that instantly presents not a problem. It presents a challenge for us because we now have a term that is enormous, really, really broad.”

The Social and Historical Context (07:31–08:50)

• Jonathan discusses shifting societal expectations: for much of history, conformity was prized, but contemporary society increasingly values speaking openly about difference.
• “Everyone has a voice to have an individual experience, that it is okay. It is if you fall outside the middle of the bell curve.” (B, 08:24)

Neurodivergence in Popular Culture & Online Trends (12:00–13:55)

• Mayim shares the prevalence of neurodivergence hashtags and content on social media, highlighting both validating and problematic aspects.
• The concept of “masking” is discussed: neurodivergent individuals often conceal traits to fit in.
• Mayim’s own quirks become anecdotes: "Tell me you're neurodivergent without telling me you're neurodivergent." (03:37)

The 20-Question Quiz: Am I Neurodivergent? (22:52–30:51)

• Mayim walks Jonathan (and listeners) through a quickfire yes/no quiz assessing common neurodivergent traits.
• The importance of clinical diagnosis over self-diagnosis via online quizzes is underscored.
• Mayim reflects: “To me, it a little bit indicated some of the imprecision that can occur when we are looking to the internet or to social media for specific diagnoses.” (A, 22:52)
• Key guidance: If your "yes" answers coincide with struggles in work, relationships, or general functioning, you may wish to seek professional support. (A, 29:43)

Notable Quotes from the Quiz Discussion

• Mayim: “I could talk about Pom Poms forever. Nobody wants to hear that.” (A, 24:11)
• Jonathan on social discomfort: “If you are not into bar culture, that changes the nature of friendship as an adult…” (B, 28:01)

The Upsides of Neurodivergence (31:16–34:50)

• Emphasis on seeing differences as superpowers: heightened creativity, unique pattern recognition, spiritual connection, and emotional depth.
• Mayim: “It’s a superpower to be able to feel deeply. It’s a superpower to be able to experience things deeply.” (A, 31:34)
• Jonathan points out that history’s greatest innovators were often neurodivergent:
  • “Some of the greatest advancements in our culture have been made by people who think and see things that do not yet exist.” (B, 33:36)

Neurodivergent Celebrities & Representation (34:50–38:13)

• Mayim runs through well-known public figures who have acknowledged neurodivergence, including Billie Eilish, Howie Mandel, Simone Biles, Bill Gates, Leonardo DiCaprio, and others.
• The increase in public comfort discussing neurodivergence is celebrated as progress.

Strategies for Living with Neurodivergence (38:13–39:08, 72:57–77:38)

• Jonathan and Mayim share practical strategies for thriving as neurodivergent adults:
  • Self-acceptance and reframing traits as strengths
  • Identifying personal superpowers and required supports
  • Adapting environments and routines (e.g., collaborative work vs. solo tasks)
  • Seeking safety and joy, advocating for personal needs

Notable Quotes

• Jonathan: “Instead of seeing my differences as either a disability or disadvantage, I began to say, everyone is wired differently. This is my unique pattern, and how do I use that to advance the things I’m interested in.” (B, 73:40)
• Mayim: “Acceptance…what does it practically look like?…I don’t want to feel like I’m struggling.” (A, 74:36)

The Brain and Neurochemistry (39:08–47:43)

• Mayim explains the genetics and neurochemistry behind neurodivergence, describing the role of metabolism, environment, and brain connectivity.
• Fluctuations in symptoms often relate to stress, sleep, diet, and environmental factors rather than core identity alone.

Challenges of Self-Diagnosis & The Social Media Effect (68:17–71:38)

• Mayim discusses a study highlighting the risk of “psychosomatic social contagion” via apps like TikTok.
• Context is lost when online creators generalize symptoms—potentially leading to over-identification or misdiagnosis, especially among developing teens.
  • “Sometimes people are just neat. Sometimes people are meticulous. Sometimes people are fastidious. It may be a diagnosis, but again, if it’s not causing problems…it may not necessarily need clinical attention.” (A, 69:47)
• The importance of specificity and clinical evaluation is reiterated, and the pitfalls of commodified identity are examined.

Masking, Pattern Recognition & “Neurospiciness” (54:31–59:31)

• Both hosts discuss masking: concealing or compensating for neurodivergent traits to navigate a normie world.
• Mayim illustrates her own compulsive patterns: “I eat things in groups of threes. Now, a lot of these things are definitely…we’re in the OCD land right now, comfortably resting there…” (A, 55:40)
• The connection between neurodivergence and heightened sensitivity, pattern recognition, and spiritual or empathic traits is explored.

Real-Life Social Anxiety Scenarios (60:09–65:31)

• Mayim provides a vivid account of her struggles with social situations and how neurodivergence amplifies those stressors:
  • “My foot would not hit the ground…my foot stopped midair. It was like, we cannot go one further.” (A, 60:40)
• Discusses concrete coping techniques for social overwhelm: sticking with trusted people, finding exit strategies, and seeking comfort in routines.

Parenting and Generational Perspectives (67:05–68:17)

• A call for greater acceptance and support for neurodivergent children.
  • “One of the greatest things you can do for a child is see who they are, recognize the things that are inherent about them…try and help support them with the largest amounts of acceptance.” (B, 67:39)

Memorable Moments & Quotes with Timestamps

• “Are you really special, or are you psychopathologizing yourself as a cultural mirror reflects back to you what you think you want to hear?” – Mayim, (03:10)
• “You may be discovering a superpower or you may be in a psychosomatic social contagion with all the online quizzes that could be leading you astray.” – Jonathan, (04:20)
• “This term can be very comforting because in many cases it is. It's a superpower to be able to feel deeply.” – Mayim, (31:34)
• “The goal of a supplement, of a medication, is not to make the thing disappear entirely, but just to give you enough support…You're not broken.” – Jonathan, (76:35)
• Mayim, on feeling out of place at parties: “It’s like Mordor. I’m looking at Mordor, the eye of Sauron. Like, it’s, like, terrible.” (A, 62:54)

Highlighted Timestamps

• 00:00–01:13: Episode intro and framing of core question
• 03:10–08:50: Defining neurodivergence, umbrella categories, societal shifts
• 13:55–14:26: Joke about Mayim’s extreme tidiness and family anecdotes about neurodivergent behaviors
• 22:52–30:51: Live through the 20-question neurodivergence quiz; value and problem of self-testing
• 31:16–38:13: Discussing the gifts and cultural/creative impacts of neurodivergence
• 38:59–47:43: Brain chemistry, genetics, environmental factors influencing neurodivergent symptoms
• 54:31–59:31: Masking, coping, and compulsions; humorous and vulnerable personal stories
• 60:09–65:31: Social overwhelm and real-life event navigation with neurodivergence
• 68:17–71:38: Social media risk, over-pathologizing, and misappropriation of language

Final Advice & Takeaways

• Embrace the specifics: Neurodivergence is not one thing—diagnoses and supports need nuance.
• Validation matters, but so does caution: Social media can both empower and mislead; online quizzes are not medical advice.
• Play to your strengths: Your unique wiring can be a source of creative power.
• Seek help where needed: Getting support for challenges is not a failure, and interventions are about enhancing, not erasing, your identity.
• Acceptance is powerful: Understanding and accepting one's wiring can unlock both joy and resilience.

For Further Exploration

Mayim and Jonathan invite listeners to continue the conversation on their Substack and to share their own experiences or questions about neurodivergence for future episodes.

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