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Thoughts vibrate at a specific frequency. And as we wake up to the true nature of ourselves, we can begin to have a spiritual awakening, find our soul's purpose and transform our lives.

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If you've ever wondered what people are talking about when they talk about energy, or you have blocked energy, or I can see the energy around you, we're going to speak to someone who's going to explain all of it. Dr. Sue Mortar is a renowned international speaker, author, master of bioenergetic medicine. Her book the Energy Codes is a seven step system to awaken your spirit, healing your body, and live your best life. But her work is based around the notion that there's different energy in our body that we can channel and direct in certain places. And she teaches an entire system of ways to access these different levels of energy, which she believes relate to consciousness and a connection with the larger universe.

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She also explains that the stories we tell, our past experiences, the pain that we're holding, which once kept us safe, is actually limiting us. It's preventing our bodies from healing. It's preventing us from finding novel solutions to our problems, from being creative, from thinking outside of the box, and from really being present in our own lives. She describes how our bodies are speaking to us, giving us signals that we're failing to listen to.

Mayim Bialik (5:09)

Dr. Sue is going to also take us through, I'd say one of the best spiritual awakening moments I have heard, the way that she describes what happened to her in a deep meditative trance. It's an unbelievable story. And it led her on the course of her life. Her next book coming out March 2026. We're so excited to speak to Dr. Sue Moyter. Welcome to the Breakdown. Break it down.

Dr. Sue Mortar (5:41)

Thank you. It is a pleasure to be here.

Mayim Bialik (5:44)

What do you think people should know about the work that you do in terms of the impact it can have on their lives?

Dr. Sue Mortar (5:51)

One of the things that happens for people in life is that we get caught up in thinking that we are our thoughts and our personalities and our story and our history. And with the work that I do and teaching people how to get underneath the story of their lives and work with the raw energy of flow or no flow, what happens is they begin to become empowered and they don't get distracted or dispersed by thoughts and patterns and beliefs that have been stored based on past experience or a fear based reality that most people are living in. And so because everything is energy, what we're doing is learning to work with the energy of our lives instead of the opinions and attitudes and dispositions and premature conclusions that drawn. So what happens is a reduction of stress. Because we begin to recognize different energies as they flow through our body. Instead of calling them anxiety, we understand that it's actually something wanting to ignite and emerge from within. And what happens is people begin to use their mind in a creative manner instead of a protective manner. And that reduces the stress load and increases the energy that is really maintained for creating a better life for ourselves. Innovating and really generating the life experience that we'd like to have, rather than just getting better at protecting ourselves from something that someone else is creating.

Mayim Bialik (7:24)

Maybe we can start with you sort of taking us through this energy, right? Because many people know that they have feelings or they have thoughts and sometimes they can feel it in their body. But can you give us a little, you know, a little primer into what? What is this energy? How should we be thinking about it? And in particular, you know, you have this fantastic diagram. You know, these, these levels of energy that come out from us describe how we should be framing that in terms of us being energetic bodies.

Dr. Sue Mortar (7:59)

So the energy, the quality of the energy that we're working with is the energy of creation. Truly, it's the energy that is the backdrop for all of life. That might be a big thing for us to try to wrap our minds around, but this might help. A physical law is that all physical matter is compressed energy. So in order to get a physical body, energy has compressed and compressed and compressed and compressed and compressed, and it generates this Physical form that we are living in. But at the end of the day, it's still energy. And so various levels and layers of our being vibrate at different frequencies. As one might imagine. Our thoughts vibrate at a different frequency than our bones, right? We can change our thoughts pretty rapidly. It's energy that is very malleable. And when we get more and more dense into the compressions of our physical existence, it becomes, you know, more dense and less and more stable, I should say. So it's really the energy of creative force, the life force itself, source energy that we're working with. And our thoughts and emotions and our chemistries and our felt sensations in our body are all various. Think of it as different radio stations, different vibrational frequency versions of the one true whole self that we are. And so when someone is having feelings, emotions, and they're feeling these ripples or these jolts in the body that we would call anxiousness or nervousness, anxiety, fear, what has happened is we've learned that those energies are what we've named them to be, as if they are bad. The moment that we name it. Now there's a story that goes along with that. So if we name it fear, then the mind starts looking immediately for, okay, what am I afraid of? What's wrong with me? What's going on? And it just starts to escalate the mind's activity away from alpha thinking, alpha frequency, which is our true state, into higher and higher beta, even gamma, in terms of paranoia and filling in the blanks and writing stories all the time. And so what we're doing is recognizing how to pull people back down out of their head by using their body and their breath to recognize, oh, this is just energy. I don't have to write a story about it. I could just feel it. And if I would feel it, and it would start to serve the purpose that it is. That it is. And so what happens is we begin to recognize that the energies that we were turning into fear or paranoia or anxiousness actually become passion and the energies of movement and purpose and tenacity and when they're properly routed. So it's really a matter of integration and understanding a little bit more about what it means when we're feeling these things. So all the while, it's so helpful if we recognize that the system is designed for innovation and creativity and success. And we are completely, constantly supported in the expression and in the experience of those things. And if we're disconnected, we turn it into something entirely different. And we get derailed and start writing stories and then reacting to the stories as if they're true. And the next thing we know, we're creating a reality that is based on a premature conclusion that we drew that we were unsafe just because we were feeling this shuddering. I often use the example of, you know, just before a little baby chicken egg hatches, a baby chick, it starts to vibrate. And as it vibrates, what then happens next is a little beak pokes right through the shell and it's birthing himself into another world. And the same thing is true inside of our deep core at the solar plexus level where our whole mental is actually anchored on an energetic level. It starts to shake when actually this part of our personal identity and our personal power is trying to birth into a new situation, a new version of ourselves, a new realm of expression. But we start to feel that and we shut it down and we try to move away from whatever's making me feel this. And so we're actually coming right up into a threshold of moving into a new reality. And then just as we're putting our hand on the doorknob and opening it and we feel the turbulence of that transformation, we shut the whole thing down and try to escape, get away from it. Or we become addicted to taking things that cause us to not feel it all because we have a story written about this feeling that isn't true at all. It's just the story that we've collectively decided to adhere to. And so humanity is in a constant state of anxiousness or fear based actions, all because of a misinterpretation of the energies that are trying to move through their system, moving them into, carrying them into higher and higher states of consciousness, states of awareness, states of ability. And so we, you know, we just recycle in a place of not knowing and not having and wanting and, and being afraid that we're never going to get it.

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Dr. Sue Mortar (13:25)

They do. They have no experience with leaning into it. They have all, all only, you know, mostly experience of avoidance. And so we, you know, we develop.

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Know we sent you helixsleep.com breakdown. You know, when we talk about narrative, everyone is inherently a meaning making machine. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to map patterns all the time. So to remove yourself from a story is probably one of the most challenging aspects of the human existence. We're making up stories all the time to keep us safe. We're making sure that we don't touch that thing that used to hurt us. And then we build these maps of our world that may not be as updated as they potentially could be to help us move forward in our lives. And so, you know, I think a lot of people get confused because they're like, my intuition is telling me or my feelings are telling me something is unsafe. How do I know if that's real? Or how do I know if it's holding me back from expanding into a better phase of life, into the next phase, into breaking through that eggshell, into the next way that the world may unfold for me?

Dr. Sue Mortar (19:50)

Yes, so we're, we're obsessed with creating coping skills, coping mechanisms and, and working with a way to find safety. And I often share with people that safety isn't a good enough goal for you because if you understood the universe and its workings and its structure and what's actually happening here, that even brings you into this body, into this life ex, you would recognize that there is only one thing happening here and it is that, that true source, energy unfolding. And it isn't here to harm you. It is here to allow you to flourish. And so we've created a realm, a world of duality. We perceive it dualistically. And so inside of any dualistic reality, we have, you know, good stuff and not so good stuff. And so we want to stay away from the not so good stuff and only, you know, move into the good stuff. And all the while we're secretly hoping for unity, but we're constantly, you know, reinventing duality every time that we opt for safety. And so I strongly feel, and have certainly witnessed, you know, people over the last 40 years and working with this, that once we decide, once we choose that the universe is on my side, that what's unfolding here is in my highest good If I just stay grounded and allow it to be in service to the unfoldment of the life that I am meant to be living. And what happens is, people are so used to living in their heads that they depend on their stories or their beliefs or their perspectives to, you know, as you say, to rely upon for a synchronized life or a grounded life or something that keeps me in touch with am I going to be able to survive, or am I in danger, etc. We rely on the story, which is invented by the mental body, which is not in the physical body per se. We know that consciousness is actually outside of our physical form, and it is anchored in various areas in various ways inside of our physical form. But the point is, the ultimate I feel for us to do is to no longer be dependent on those beliefs for a sense of self and a sense of okayness and a sense there, then therefore, of opportunity and creativity and innovation and generating a life that I truly do want. And so, rather than holding on to our stories, what I'm teaching people to do is let go of the story and allow myself to be anchored to the body instead of anchored to the story, because the story is a little more dense than just being present and available and creative. And so we tell ourselves something over and over, and it begins to create some density in the field around the physical body, and it gives a false sense of stability. This story and holding on to it is what we do to be able to maintain an existence here and to be functional and to get up and do our things and have any kind of vital force at all behind the decisions that we make and the life that we're trying to live. And so the idea of letting go of my story would send someone into, you know, way too much expansion. And no one feels comfortable doing that until they realize there's something else I could be anchored to, that I wouldn't have to hold on to my stories and my beliefs if I was anchored to something else that was equally or by far even greater amount of stability. And so that's what I'm showing people how to do, is if you anchor your consciousness in the core of your body, and you start to really allow these little packets of energy called photons that are what consciousness is as it's solidifying into physical matter. We gather those photons at a deeper level of our being. Instead of them just gathering to the field, they're gathering to an anchor spot, an anchor point, if at the deep central channel, the core channel of our body. And once we start to realize how energy flows and how it, how it originates and how it expresses. Here in the physical dimension we come upon what is called a toric field shape that has a central channel down the middle of it, which is something that ancient cultures referred to as the Sushumna in ancient India and in ancient Egypt, even prior to that, this river of life. And so what we're doing is starting to get in touch with this true state that is solid and is present and is timeless and has always been and will always be. And the more we attune to that radio station, the more we start to allow it to be enlivened. And the more enlivened it is, the less activity the thinking, analyzing, mind has to engage in in order to generate this sense of well being or what we would have called safety. And so as we drop in to this space, we begin to be able to sustain a state of well being long enough that we can actually change the frequency that we're attuned to, that we're, that we have an affinity to. As far as the various radio stations that are available to us to dial into. It starts to make more sense to trust. It starts to make more sense to be beginning to think about who would I be if I wasn't afraid? Who would I be if I was safe and that safety was never going away? Then what would I do with my mind? Then what would I be thinking about and dreaming up and taking action toward? Because once we start to orient into that version of ourselves, we start to heal on every level. Because we're not jumping into fight or flight and dysregulating the nervous system and constantly changing the chemistries of our body that make us then relate the story of. See, I knew I wasn't safe. I knew it was going to go this way. And proving and reproving constantly our greatest fears.

Jonathan Cohen (25:56)

Just how prevalent is it in people's lives that they're just caught in the cycle of. I knew this was going to go wrong, therefore, and here it is, look, I've proven it to myself. These self fulfilling prophecies and this dysregulation of their bodies. People, more so than ever, are spending an enormous amount of time online. We're consuming an enormous amount of digital content. We're riding the wave of what each of those videos show us as well as interacting with so many different people in our lives. Miscommunication on texts, however it may be. And we just assume that the physical sensations we're having and the experience that we're having in our Physical body is just normal, right? But you're presenting another way of being that for some it may feel like almost unachievable because they're like, oh, I have to remove myself from society in order to not carry the waves of those inputs that are affecting me. So I'm hoping you can just frame how normal it is to basically have our systems taxed in a way that we're not realizing.

Dr. Sue Mortar (27:02)

So the subconscious's job is to protect us. And so whatever is stored in subconscious memory is going to be utilized sort of as a checklist to see how safe am I today. So if I have information stored at the subconscious level in my system based on past experience or based on, you know, our greatest fears that we've feared for long enough that that information starts to get stored in the subconscious. Because information gets stored in the subconscious either by an event of intensity or a small event over a long enough period of time. So if I'm a constant worrier over time, my subconscious thinks I have good reason to worry because that's my new norm. That's what I've established over, you know, years since I was 5, and then 15 and then 25 and 35, etc. Over a long period of time. It's now established in the subconscious. And the subconscious memory is, you know, vibrating, if you will, at this particular frequency. Let's say on a scale of 1 to 10, it's way down here at a 3. Because I'm constantly compressing my life because of all the things that I should be afraid of. You know, the other person who might have had some intense experience, maybe they were abused, maybe they were abandoned, maybe they were, you know, a combination of those things, they have had an intense experience that also went into subconscious storage. And at that subconscious. We're driven through our lives by our subconscious trying to become conscious. That's what we're doing here. And so if I'm driven by my subconscious and my subconscious memory is chock full of all sorts of, it's not fair, it's not safe, they're never going to listen to you. You're not good enough, why should you try again, you're just going to get hurt, all of that. The subconscious is actually always in an attempt to keep you safe. And so it until in survival mode, until we start to rearrange it enough that we are not in that low vibrational frequency, we're starting to up level our memories, the quality of our memories based upon something that I teach people how to do, which is building the circuitry for innovation and renovation, if you will. And so it isn't a matter of withdrawing from society so that I can be safe long enough that I can start to heal. It's a matter of translating what's happening in society from a different perspective. It is a matter of moving into it, knowing that there's some benefit in here. There's something that I was misperceiving before. And if I will learn to build more circuitry to be able to perceive from a higher bird's eye view perspective, I could see a bigger context of what's going on here. And I could actually then remain a stable influence moving into society. Instead of yet another person that's moving into society and getting caught up in the story and getting emotionally reactive to it. It instead of utilizing it to our advantage, which is an opportunity, an invitation to awaken to a greater version of who we are versus one who is stuck in fight or flight and truly reacting to the outer world instead of being a creative influence in the outer world to truly bring more stability to the whole bandwidth of human consciousness.

Jonathan Cohen (30:26)

Something we do hear a lot is translate between different disciplines. And I think a term that would be helpful to translate in this scenario is the term frequency. We've heard from clinical psychologists that when we're in a state where we believe nothing is going to work out, where we catastrophize, where we have a lot of black and white thinking, it changes the neurochemistry of the brain to see less opportunity. We go back to defaulting towards extremes, towards negative bias, towards catastrophic thinking. Personally, I am a phenomenal world class worrier. I can find all the reasons why this thing is going to lead to that thing which is going to lead to a catastrophe. And I can follow that down the trail. And MIME has pointed out many for me many times, that that way of thinking may not be accurate. And it would feel so accurate to me. I can, I have all the reasons why I'm justified in thinking that from my history and the way I analyze a situation, I'll go get data to prove that it's possible. What specifically changed for me was when I would say I don't need to stop that part of my brain. I just need to step back enough and touch on the idea that there could be an alternative that I may not be seeing yet. And if I believe that the universe is on my side, which I think is a big leap for a lot of people, this idea of that there is a force that wants the best for us, call it the universe, Call it a higher consciousness, call it God, call it nature in some way, and that things are not just chaos. And I'm not destined to only suffer if we can step into a different framework. Even if it's just a pause long enough to say there's something else that's maybe available for us. We have seen that many clinical psychologists say that it changes our brain enough to be creative. So when I hear you say frequency and lower frequency, I can associate it with these thinking patterns. Catastrophic thinking, black and white thinking, absolute thinking, that life will only be a certain way, that I can imagine and may default to the worst. And by increasing frequency. What we're doing is how someone else may describe it, is that we're increasing possibility, we're opening up enough that there could be something else for me that I haven't yet imagined and that feels lighter, more open. Is that how you imagine it?

Dr. Sue Mortar (33:07)

Yes. So if you're thinking worst case scenario and you know, calculating all the possible risks and, you know, doing all that and stepping into that world, your brain is starting to operate, which we can measure in reaction to your consciousness, which is being directed into worst case scenarios. The brain wave that will reflect back to us is very rapidly moving. And when you direct your attention to possibility, or when you direct your attention to the heart, or when you direct your attention to the body, physically, what starts to happen is that rapid fire brainwave starts to come into an alpha frequency where there is more space between the peak and the valley of the wave. And in that spaciousness, we allow for presence to come into the moment. And in that spaciousness, moment of presence, what will reveal to us is a different conclusion to the same situation. We will be available for possibility, we'll be available for love, we'll be available for a creatorship or a stewardship of something better than just defending from worst case scenario. So what people get into is they try to solve the issue of the mind with the mind. And the mind is actually designed to be serving something greater than itself. It is not a self unto itself, it's not whole unto itself, it's a part of a whole. And so when we identify as the mind, which the majority of the people that we're going to cross paths with today are identified in the mind. They think that they are their thoughts, they think that what they think is true, and they act as if it is. And so, you know, one of the things we have to do is like teach people not to believe all their thoughts and to like get that off of them so they can start to have some spaciousness here to make some better decisions than what their repetitious analytical conclusion drawing self is going to, you know, pull us into as a means of survival.

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Dr. Sue Mortar (38:53)

So what we have to do and you're onto this by saying, I just have to bolster a part of me that is not afraid, that is not worrying, that is not that I don't have to, like, excise my mind and get rid of it. I have to just cultivate another version, another part of my mind, which is the observing, witness mind, for example. And as such, that wave starts to open up and there's more spaciousness in my life, in my moment. And in that spacious moment, I'm going to draw a different conclusion or I'm going to take a different action. I might not even think about what I'm going to do, but I'll be allowing myself to take action toward what I really want to have happen. And people get to this point where they're like, I don't know, I just can't think about it anymore. I'm just going to do this thing. And in that moment, the universe, if it had an opinion, it would be saying, hey, finally, you're just taking action based on what's true for you what you really desire, even if it's potentially dangerous or you don't know, you're strategizing, you've asked six friends about it. All that is just set by the wayside. And something else is taking over. And that something else is not the analytical mind. It is coming closer and closer to the core of you, which is where the mind is supposed to be reporting from the beginning. Because the mind is designed to serve something greater than itself. That thing that is greater than itself is the real you. It's the real you. So that's like this soulful presence or this, this, this that which is to be observed, that authentic self, the true self, the one that existed before we experienced the story of our lives. And we drew these conclusions and then developed an opinion about who we are and how to navigate life to. To get the best out. There was a version of us that was fresh and raw and ready, that existed whole and complete upon arrival, that is still sitting there. But we splatted when we landed and we dispersed mind, body, breath in different directions. And we came up from that splat attached to the mind. And so we think this is who we are because it was the thing that was most capable of allowing us to make decisions, to get safe, to figure out how to please the big people so they take care of us and all of that. That. But that's not who we are. It's just how we've been operating. The truth of us resides when that mind and body and breath come back together. And our vibrational frequency, our energy vibration changes because we're gathered and whole. And in that, we're closer and closer to this alpha frequency as an example, because nature operates that way. Our true nature is that. So what. We meditate to bring ourselves below alpha frequency because we're used to operating above it. And it feels so good just to like, oh, get a little reprieve for those that can meditate. Some people are locked in and you know, the idea of meditation sounds great, but they just can't get it happening until they can. Until they learn how, which they can learn how to bring that spaciousness in between their thoughts. So that this presence which is what built the body, it is what built the brain, it is what built the nervous system and every other component of our. Of our physicality. That version of us is what is here to have a life. And it never gets to have that life because it's been marginalized while we're busy out here, you know, identifying as the mind and making it safe and figuring out, you know, all that. When we are operating that way for a long enough time, we start to experience the ramifications of that. We start to stress out, then we start to reach out. Then we start to recognize, oh, my mind is just making me crazy. And then what you're saying is the next step, people realize, oh, I don't have to beat the mind up for doing all these things. It's just doing what it thinks it's supposed to be doing. I have to get in touch with the rest of me. That will put my mind in a different perspective and allow it to contribute to something bigger. Because we're asking the mind to do something it was never meant to do. We're asking it to run our lives. It wasn't meant to do that. It was meant to serve the soul who knows why it came and knows the purpose and knows what's real and what's not. But because they're operating as two distinct and separate entities, the mind is running like crazy and it's freaking out because it's not equipped to do what we're asking it to do. But when we turn it back onto the body and we begin to sense and feel and learn the language of the soulful presence of this authentic self, the true self, the energy being, the quantum being, that it's all the expression of this divine source that you were referencing, God, source, universal intelligence, all of the all. When those come back and start working together again, something different happens. Something tremendously different happens. We step into a different version of ourselves because we're not fear based anymore. We're actually coming into life knowing that we've got this because we are more than we thought we were. But it requires a bit of an experience of that for people to even know that it's there as a goal to begin to work toward or work with and ultimately become this version of who we are.

Mayim Bialik (44:11)

Well, it seems like that's sort of the challenge then to step out of the mind sort of running the show. And how do we get in touch with the soul?

Dr. Sue Mortar (44:21)

Yeah. So one of the first ways that I have found for that to be effective is we have to get the mind down to its natural state into alpha frequency, bringing the mind's attention onto the physical body. Physical matter is vibrating there in that realm. A tree outside isn't worrying about whether it should be a tree or not, whether it's a good tree or not, whether it should have been a pine tree or should have had the beautiful colors that drop leaves. It's not doing that it's just doing tree. And so it's vibrating at alpha frequency. It's. It is what it is. And so when we move back on with bringing the mind onto the body more often and anchoring it there, and I teach people about anchor points along this central channel that I was referring to, because that life force really streams through the physical body in that way. It's been known for thousands of years. And that we don't know about it in our cultures is amazing to me that, that we are so oblivious to the fact that the mind and the body and the breath serve more and are more equipped than the mind alone. Of course they would be together. We're always more, you know that the intensity of the magnitude of that, I should say is pretty straightforward. So by bringing the mind onto the body, we create that spaciousness and that alpha frequency and it creates some elbow room. Think of it this way. The soul speaks to the body and the body speaks to the mind. And the mind doesn't listen. The mind is off writing stories about how in danger we are and how horrible it is and how, listen, what else is going on today in this world? What are we going to do? And all of that. And so if we just get the mind to listen to what the body is saying about this soulful language that's trying to emerge, if we direct it back the other way, it's naturally there. So we start to feel. And everyone has felt this. Everyone has been in a conversation where something comes up and all of a sudden they've got a knot in their stomach or they walk into the grocery store and they see somebody that they've known for a long time and had some encounter with years prior, and all of a sudden their chest tightens up or their throat clamps or instant headache. And this language has been being spoken forever. But we just think, oh, of course I got this upset stomach, I saw this person, there it is again. And we make nothing of it. We don't do the math. Realizing that my body just revealed to me that I have something unresolved going on over here. My body just revealed to me that I'm afraid of this situation. Because when I just got a glimpse of it, I had this language was started speaking. The soulful self was giving this input, if you will, in a way that's undeniable. We just have never inquired about. I wonder what that means, like where does that come from? What's really going on there beyond the neurochemistry that is influencing there. Beyond that there is an energy blockage there's an energetic interruption in the natural flow of your system that is happening for a reason. And it is mentally and emotionally driven. It's driven by the story, it's driven by how we're interpreting things, the meaning that we're giving it, even if it's on a subconscious level. So perhaps you had that encounter, you know, 30 years ago and you don't consciously think about it anymore, but if it was big enough, it had an impact and it went into memory storage at that subconscious level. And that is what it is pumping out into the system all the time, anytime you come close to something that's remotely near what you had as an experience. So how do we start to turn all that around? We start to use that very warning system to our advantage. We take it and we listen to it and we honor it and we do something with it. And so that's what I'm teaching people how to do that. Instead of saying, why do you bother me? Why does that bug me so much? Why does that freak me out? Instead of asking why, I'm teaching people to ask where, where in your body specifically are you getting impacted by this moment or this thought or this situation or these people? And it will show you every time why. It will show you by knowing where. It will show you what's up. Because if it's affecting you low in your gut, it means one thing. If it's affecting you in your, in your solar plexus area, it means something else. If it's affecting you in your heart and your throat, in the center of your brain, up your spine, shoulders, there's a language that's being spoken that basically is related to levels of consciousness that are stacked up based upon how they vibrate. Different levels of consciousness vibrate differently. They have different frequencies, if you will, that we can measure. So like your rootedness inside the body, your rootedness is a very solid alpha frequency. It's the root chakra, it's the root consciousness. It's that belongingness. Like I know this is my gig and I'm here to create. And the next one up is, can I remember that while I'm engaging with other people and life circumstances and that wisdom and that creative relational ability, Can I maintain my knowingness that I'm here, whole and full and complete, and then the next one up is my personal identity. If I think I'm a five sensory survival based human being, I'm going to have a limited life experience. But if I know myself to be an energy being, a quantum self, that is Here, multidimensionally, as a creator in my life, things start to vibrate differently. I start to translate and interpret and think and have different responses. And I become innovative and I become leader. If I know who I am at that level of consciousness and the next one up, I won't go through all of them.

Mayim Bialik (50:11)

No, you're. I. Please keep going through all of them. I think we're at the heart.

Dr. Sue Mortar (50:16)

Okay. Yes. The most important. Right. So in the heart space, it's my. I know that I am love compressed into form. Because when the unified field begins to compress toward physical form, like we said, all physical matter is energy compressed. We go through a series of compressions to get here. But the very first compression that generates is a vibrational frequency that we call love. Love gets generated. So everything that's generated after that is actually based on love. I don't mean romantic love or I love you, do you love me? Or. Or something we use to negotiate with. It's not that at all. It is a reality. It's a realm. It's an aspect of life itself. It's the creative force. Think of it like it's the beauty that we experience when we look out at the light dancing on the surface of water and the wind is just making it trickle. Or that breeze causing the rustle in the leaves. Or just the idea of looking at the dew on the. The. On the grass in the morning. Or what you feel when you look into the eyes of an infant or you connect eye to eye or. Or heart to heart with an individual. There's something more than what can be logically explained. It's just precious and beautiful and it's. It's what we all crave because it's what we're made of. And we're not in touch with that. And so we crave it in outer world when actually, you know, we're made of the darn thing. We just haven't learned how to use our mind to perceive it. And so that's the heart space and then the throat space is. This level of consciousness is, you know, based upon what we've risen as right now in an integrated way. My throat area would be a level of consciousness that allows me to manifest what I know to be true. That I have thoughts about something and I'm oriented in a place of abundance. And as I have thoughts of it, people show up to help me manifest that thing. Or it happens just as I'm thinking of it, there it is. The phone rings and there's the person who's actually the solution, not the problem, and so on. And the next level of consciousness is, you know, where the third eye is and the pineal gland and all the chemistries that are involved with opening that. Only through stability is that a good thing. And as we build the stability and that happens, we begin to see and sense and perceive our multidimensionality, which to some people might be like a shamanic experience, but to others it might be meditative experiences. To others it might be just aha's and revelations relations and so on. Lots to talk about in that department, in those departments. But that's a level of consciousness that we can attain if we integrate below it. And then the crown chakra is all about, you know, our complete identity as source energy. We would initially call it as our connection to God or to the divine or the unified field or what have you. But ultimately if we really know who we are, we're made of that stuff stuff. So it's not about our connection to. It's about our remembrance of our makeup is that also we're made of that God stuff, if you will. And then there are five other levels of consciousness that I teach regularly which are chakras 8 and 9 and 10 and 11 and 12.

Mayim Bialik (53:27)

I don't know about those chakras.

Dr. Sue Mortar (53:29)

I know people don't know about them. And. And then we need to.

Mayim Bialik (53:32)

Do you know about them after the crown?

Jonathan Cohen (53:34)

I don't know that I have names for them. But this is similar to what we did yesterday on substack with our community where we did meditation, where mime and I explored moving one's consciousness outside of their thinking brain and how to elevate it to see from a different perspective and connect to a different.

Mayim Bialik (53:52)

Well, what. What happens above the crown chakra?

Dr. Sue Mortar (53:54)

So chakra 8 is a couple of feet above the head and it is. It is the consciousness of an entire, you know, identity of a plan for your life, a structure for your life. It's considered life purpose and it is a revelatory state. So when we awaken at this level above the head, what happens is we have revelation. We have the idea of waking up to another version of life that is outside the thinking mind. So that's why we're so drawn to that in a meditative state, because it takes us up and out of this whole world that we're trapped inside of is at this Chakras 1 through 7 level. Even though it's a beautiful world, when we even know about the existence of these levels of consciousness and chakra centers etc. There's an entire new world available to us when we start to move into this. And so we see the blessing of life, if you will. We see that there's a reason that everything's happening and we actually want it to happen so that we can wake ourselves up even higher. We're using life to awaken ourselves. And so that's Chakra 8 and Chakra 9 up above that is, is really a, A soul purpose which is even higher states of, of aha. Or realization. And then there is a Chakra 10 which is actually deep into the earth underneath where we exist in our invisible anatomy. It's sort of the root chakra of, of our invisible anatomy, meaning the states of consciousness that exist beyond the physical realm. These, these levels of consciousness are vibrating at such a frequency they can't exist inside the physical dimension. They're a higher vibration than what can be housed inside the body. But they are measurable and, and here, and present at holding the space for those, those chakras one through seven to heal and to harmonize and to awaken. And that is a rooted, sort of holds the energy of your, your divine destiny, your, your true state, what's inevitable for you. It's like the Earth version of your own highest self. And, and, and in that there is a deep, deep knowing, a deep, deep wisdom and a love that is what I call a greater love that is holding this. Think of Mother Nature and holding the space for all of life. Think of the molten lava. Okay, we'll do this. Think of the molten lava in the center of the Earth. There's nothing you could throw into the lava of the center of the earth that wouldn't burn up into lava. It's embracing of everything, it's rejecting nothing. And so there's a version of us that is so present that it isn't rejecting things because it's not a matter of sorting for safety. It's a matter of embracing what is. And if people begin to breathe with this energy center that is into the earth from where they sit 2ft or lower, it starts to take on this quality of this molten lava. Greater love if you will. Like it's. I'm going to be present with everything and I'm going to learn from it and I'm going to embrace it and become curious. Because if I'm not afraid, I'm going to be curious. So if I become curious, I'm going to be less afraid. And it's just our true nature. So this is a state of consciousness that allows us As a creator of our lives to become effective at being a creator of our lives. When I'm not afraid, I'm super. Think of it as super grounded. And when I'm super grounded, I'm going to be available. I'm available. I'm not sorting for safety and survival and competing or comparing or all the things that we do if we're not grounded and solidly here. And then Chakra 11 is. 11 and 12 are. I like to kind of teach them in reverse order because 12 is, is the presence of who you are. It is, it's the God self or the higher self. A lot of people will say my higher self told me or my higher self guided me to do, to do this, that or the other. And so that Chakra 12 is energetically. I could describe it like this if we had a big bed sheet and we just hung it up so it's like hanging here. And if I came up behind that sheet and I grabbed a hold of it and kind of pinched it and pulled it toward each other. This is what science is showing us, that we actually are in the field of consciousness. We are just a pinching, a rippling, a folding over on itself of that unified field. So we're not only connected to God, we're made of it. We're just a compressed version in a holographic universe. That's what we are. So that's Chakra 12. But when you do that pinching, the energy inside starts moving and that movement is Chakra 11. A cosmic principle of embodiment or incarnation is the movement of that energy all the way to physical form. So these higher states of consciousness, when we start to breathe with them and learn about where they're located and how we can feel them, Chakra 11 shows up in our hands and feet. That's why when people start meditating or get inspired about something, they'll feel heat in their hands or their feet are tingling, or the hair stands up on your, on your arm or the back of your neck. All of that is actually because we're stimulating these higher and higher and higher states of consciousness that we also are. So when you put all that together, we have this. I'm made of this presence. I'm made of the unified field and I'm coming into form as love. And I'm landing deep in the earth as the center of my target. It's where I land. And then I rise up. And as I rise up to that Chakra 9, I start moving this energy in a particular pattern and it's I have an image of it. So here we have. This is this whole chakra 12. This is us, okay? And that chakra 8 is just above the head. Here's 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, one that we're familiar with. And then there's 8 and 9. And then 10 is way down here. And then 11 is all the energy of consciousness inside here. And this 12 is that pinching in the sheet that I'm talking about. So there's our invisible anatomy.

Mayim Bialik (60:18)

When we spoke to Gabor Mate about sort of, you know, what. What diseases we see, what ailments we see, what problems we tend to see in the body, which in many cases is an indication.

Dr. Sue Mortar (60:32)

Right.

Mayim Bialik (60:32)

Of what's going on at some deeper level. And obviously, Gabor Mate is speaking at a very different level than what we're talking about. But, you know, the first thing I thought of is, you know, there's this statistic that women who have been sexually abused often tend to have problems in the parts of the body that are the most intimate.

Dr. Sue Mortar (60:56)

Right.

Mayim Bialik (60:56)

And you'll often hear this. And this is not to say that every woman with endometriosis or, you know, who has ovarian cancer, God forbid that we can necessarily say this is what happened to it. But I wonder if you can talk about kind of the different levels of energy. Are they reflecting things that are happening with that. That level of integration and people like Louise Hay, you know, who have an encyclopedia of the entire body and, you know, kind of devise meaning from, oh, if this is happening on your elbow, if this is happening on your left knee, you know, is that the kind of, you know, analysis we can start to do in. In a more clinical sense, to say, gosh, what's blocked where.

Dr. Sue Mortar (61:39)

Yes, absolutely. Yes. A resounding yes. So. So I was raised. My father was a pioneer in energy medicine, and so he was in the 70s, ways to work with energy flow, to get it synchronized in the whole body and harmonized in the body for this very reason that what you're speaking about and about the time I opened my clinic, I went to school, became a doctor, opened my clinic, da, da, da. About that time is when Louise Hay came out with this book. My father had developed a system of recognizing that certain patterns in the body where energy had been shut down lead to different. Can be traced back to certain emotional states that were not. Not resolved and they were suppressed into the tissues because that energy has to go somewhere. And if we don't express it or we don't metabolize it and really kind of burn it up, it becomes nothing. If neither of those happen, it gets suppressed. And when that energy is suppressed, what happens is there. There is a vibrational frequency association with a body part that goes with that, because the body is just continuing to compress and compress all the way into physical form. Every part of the. Every system of the body is based upon On a certain vibratory frequency. So like we were saying earlier, the immune system, well, we were talking about bones versus emotions. But the immune system is operating at a certain frequency. The regulatory systems are vibrating at a certain frequency. The cardiovascular system, the nervous system, the skeletal system, et cetera, they're all different vibrants. So the organs and glands are vibrating at different frequencies. Body parts and where they're located on the body has to do with the chakra system and everything that the levels of consciousness. So if those levels of consciousness are in turbulence, you bet there's an area of the body that is shutting down. So this can absolutely be correlated. So when Louise came out with her book, I'm using my father's technique called bioenergetic synchronization. And we are using patterns in the body, working backwards and figuring out where these disturbances came from that shut this individual down. So we could see a pattern and then look up on a chart, and it would say abandonment. Or we'd look up on a chart and it would say, say frustration. Or we'd look up, you know, on this chart that he correlated. So I started reading in her book, and it was correlating so perfectly with what my father was developing. I checked it with every client, which I was seeing, you know, 50 or 60 people a day at my busiest time in the clinic. But so I had a lot of time, a lot of subjects, if you will, in an experiment to correlate data. And as I was doing that, it was such a correlation, I realized that these practitioners, which were a collection of people that were gathering the information for Louise to publish in this book, were onto the same thing my father was on to just, you know, everyone in their individual ways, working and landing upon these common grounds. And so the short answer to your comment, or further comment to your comment is that there is definitely a correlation to when someone is not active in any One of these 12 levels of consciousness that we are speaking about right now. When they've shut down in those particular ways, There are definitely going to be physical ramifications in terms of allergies and asthma and digestive issues and hormonal issues and chemical imbalances and even personality issues. And inability to heal itself. All of this is related to levels of consciousness. The body is a reflection of our consciousness. So if something's not happening in our lives, like healing, it's because it's not happening in our body. And if it's not happening in our body, it's because it's not happening in our consciousness, because everything is consciousness.

Mayim Bialik (65:31)

I'm also thinking about, you know, autoimmune conditions and how many women in particular, you know, are carrying the load of the body attacking itself self. We're going to hit pause here on our conversation with Dr. Sue Mortar, but part two is not to be missed. We're going to ask her to walk us through her particular spiritual awakening, how her transcendental experience set her on a path that she continues to this day, and why. What does love have to do with all of this? She's also going to talk about migraines, in particular, how remote healing works, and how love is the ultimate mechanism for us to access all of these different levels of consciousness.

Jonathan Cohen (66:18)

After that, Mayim and I have a pretty deep and interesting conversation about other scientists who have explained similar processes and phenomenons. The neurochemistry of what happens in the brain when we start to slow down and how. How that provides us more opportunity, creativity, and ability to find novel solutions to our problems. And we get a little personal. Stick around for that.

Mayim Bialik (66:43)

We can't wait for you to hear part two of our conversation with Dr. Sue Mortar. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.

Jonathan Cohen (66:50)

It's Maya Bialik's breakdown. She's gonna break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two.

Dr. Sue Mortar (66:57)

One fiction, and now she's gonna break down. It's a breakdown.

Jonathan Cohen (67:01)

She's gonna.