128 A Chat With My Dad Part 2

Summary

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Medical Medium Podcast Episode 128: “A Chat With My Dad Part 2” (March 4, 2026)

Host: Anthony William
Guest: Anthony's Dad

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Episode Overview

In this heartwarming and down-to-earth episode, Anthony William continues his multi-part conversation with his father, exploring memories and philosophies that shaped the origins of the Medical Medium movement. Through vivid storytelling, they reflect on their family's unique relationship with healing foods—especially coconuts—the quest for natural remedies, and the profound bond with animals and nature. Listeners are treated to intimate family anecdotes, practical wisdom, and a celebration of the instinctive healing power found in the natural world.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Coconut Farm Legacy

• Early Interest in Coconuts:
  Anthony’s dad shares how his fascination with coconuts began during a trip to Miami, where a street vendor introduced him and his wife to fresh coconut water (02:30).

  "He cut the tops off of two of them, and mom and I had one each with a straw in it, and it was delicious... I must have drank about 50, 60 coconuts." (B, 02:34)

• Shifting Perspectives:
  Decades ago, hardly anyone in their community knew about or cared for coconut water. Most thought only of coconut milk in cans.

  "They only thought about coconut milk. Right. Like in a can." (A, 03:21)

• Coconut as Medicine:
  As a child, Anthony, guided by Spirit, declared coconut water a “medicine” that helped the brain and promoted healing (04:02).

  "At six years old, you were telling everybody it was a medicine. You were saying it helped their brain and get them better." (B, 04:02)

• Challenges Sourcing Healing Foods:
  Spirit often recommended coconut water for healing, but sourcing young coconuts in those days was near impossible unless you grew them yourself.

  "If Spirit said, hey, this person needs dandelion or... roots, I could get it... but you couldn't get coconut water." (A, 04:43)

• Building the Farm:
  Anthony’s dad eventually took over a neglected coconut property, restoring it to yield abundant Malayan gold coconuts—a variety praised for their size, water content, and flavor (07:15).

  "They had that taste to them that was just... magnificent. Plus, they were loaded with water... sometimes 40 ounces." (B, 07:21)

• Lack of Market Awareness:
  Even with an immense supply, nobody wanted coconuts for their water. The family would often distribute them to people in need, free of charge (06:30).

• Memorably Large Coconuts:

  "The largest one I got was 13 pounds." (B, 07:53) "A 13 pound coconut. Filled with juice." (A, 08:03)

• Managing Abundance:
  Excess coconuts became compost, enriching the farm’s soil (14:10-14:38).

Notable Moments

• Techniques for Opening Coconuts:
  The challenge and messiness of opening heavily pressurized fresh coconuts provided humor and nostalgia:

  "There was so much pressure in these coconuts... it would just shoot out and hit the ceiling inside the house." (A, 10:25)
  "We really had to do it outside. Live and learn." (B, 11:09)

• Immersive Nature:
  Daily farm life was entwined with close encounters with wildlife: tortoises, butterflies, dragonflies, lizards, deer, hawks, tree frogs, and more (11:14-13:04).

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2. The Bond with Animals

The Broken Wing Crow Story

• Building Trust:
  Anthony’s dad describes a moving relationship with a crow named Broken Wing, who was injured and ostracized by fellow crows (15:36-19:05).

  "He survived because I was putting out food for him, and I would chase the other crows away when they try to take his food." (B, 15:36)

• Attachment to Family:
  Broken Wing bonded especially with Anthony’s mother, allowing her to get close.

  "He got attached to Mom. She was able to get real close to him." (B, 15:36)

• Healing and Independence:
  As Broken Wing healed, eventually finding a partner (another injured crow), he revisited the family occasionally, marking his independence but also their lasting connection.

  "Then he showed up with another crow that was larger than him. And they were partners. Broken Wing got a family." (B, 18:25)

• Bittersweet Farewell:
  The emotional recounting of Broken Wing's departure and return underlines the deep bonds possible across species.

Cats, Squirrels, and Daily Animal Care

• Transition from Dogs to Cats:
  After losing their beloved dogs, Anthony’s parents found solace and purpose in caring for feral cats, gradually earning their trust and welcoming them into their home (20:08-24:42).

  "I swore to her, we'll never have another dog again. The heartbreak is just too much, really. Like losing a family member." (B, 20:28)

  "Love them. They're a big part of our life now. We... love the hell out of them." (B, 25:39)

• Community of Critters:
  Their household and yard are now a “wonderland” of creatures:

  • 8 cats (three indoors at night, others outdoor/feral)
  • ~20 squirrels, trained to expect food
  • 15–18 crows forming a daily morning “motley crew” (27:08-27:40)
  • The farm also draws wild rabbits, deer, and more (12:29-12:39)

  "They're not little kitties... They're all big cats." (B, 26:59)

• Peaceful Coexistence:
  Well-fed cats “get lazy,” mostly ignore the squirrels, and prefer to nap, ensuring a peaceful cross-species coexistence (26:14).

• House Dynamics:
  The animals increasingly “run the house,” a fact Anthony and his dad joke about affectionately (26:31-26:53).

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3. Family and Spirit-Led Healing

• Early Spirit Communications:
  Stories highlight Anthony’s childhood affinity for animals and healing, guided by communications from Spirit. His father reminisces about relying on his son’s intuition for animal health advice—sometimes to the point of being “annoyed” by seekers but never doubting his abilities (23:14-24:08).

• Generational Wisdom and Hope:
  The episode’s stories entwine personal, generational, and spiritual knowledge, echoing the show’s core message: that healing is found in nature, observation, and compassionate care—often ahead of current mainstream recognition.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• On Coconut as Medicine:

  "At six years old, you were telling everybody it was a medicine. You were saying it helped their brain and get them better." (B, 04:02)

• On the Unappreciated Bounty:

  "Nobody wanted them. Nope. Nobody cared... There were no coconut waters out there in the world. Nobody drank it." (A, 06:11-06:17)

• On Farm Wildlife:

  "Tortoises was a big one... butterflies everywhere... dragonflies... kept our farm mosquito free." (B, 11:19-12:15)

• Coconut Opening Fiasco:

  "It would just shoot out and hit the ceiling inside the house... you kind of needed an opening station because... coconut juice all over." (A, 10:25-10:49)

• Broken Wing’s Resilience:

  "His wing healed in a certain angle... his flying became extraordinary. He could fly through the trees. A lot of times the crows were after him. He could outmaneuver them." (B, 17:00-18:23)

• The Cost of Loving Dogs:

  "The heartbreak is just too much, really. Like losing a family member... I'm getting choked up right now thinking about it. I don't even want to talk about it..." (B, 20:28-21:13)

• Big Cat Wonderland:

  "We work for them... They're our bosses now. It's crazy." (A & B, 26:44-26:50)

• Fruit Tree Magic:

  "You got all your mulberry trees... Oranges... The ponderosa lemon, which is really amazing... Magical place." (A, 28:59-29:46)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:17 | Origins of the coconut fascination, and first Miami trip | | 04:02 | Anthony as a child—coconut water as medicine | | 06:11 | No market for coconuts—free distribution to the sick | | 07:15 | Malayan gold coconuts—attributes and yields | | 10:01 | Techniques and mishaps opening coconuts | | 11:14 | Wildlife on the coconut farm | | 15:36 | The saga of Broken Wing the crow | | 20:28 | The pain of losing dogs and transition to caring for cats | | 23:07 | Healing advice for animals, Spirit’s influence | | 24:11 | How the family came to shelter eight cats | | 26:02 | The harmony between well-fed cats and local squirrels | | 27:08 | Squirrels, crows, and managing the animal community | | 28:59 | The abundance of fruit trees and gardens on the property | | 29:51 | Reflections on the coconut farm—lessons and safety tips | | 31:33 | Last word on Broken Wing—Spirit’s reassurance |

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Tone and Style

The episode is conversational, personal, and sprinkled with humor and family warmth. The stories are full of vivid details and emphasize the themes of compassion, connection to nature, and being open to unconventional wisdom.

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Summary

This episode offers a heartfelt tapestry of family history and health wisdom, rooted in lived experience and spiritual guidance. Anthony and his father bring listeners into a world where intuition, nature, and unyielding care for animals intersect with a grassroots movement of healing. Their reflections on the overlooked value of coconut water, the extraordinary in the everyday (from crows to coconuts), and the power of loving stewardship reveal the true spirit behind Medical Medium teachings: that the right answers for healing are often simple, found in nature, and waiting for the world to catch up.

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Transcript

[A]

How many people do you know who struggle with their health? Chances are, whether they show it or not, most of the people in your life do. And chances are you're one of them. Whether you're dealing with anxiety, depression, endometriosis, acne, eczema, autoimmune, thyroid Lyme, brain fog, fatigue, or any other symptom or condition, you're far from alone. Living with symptoms has become the new normal. So no more guessing games. It's time to get answers. Welcome to the Medical Medium podcast. I'm Anthony Williams. So here we are, another chat with my dad. And I gotta say, we covered a lot of ground. We talked more about animals, we talked about fruit trees. This episode is packed, jam packed. I'm honored he took the time out out of his busy schedule. My dad, he's a busy guy, and he doesn't let grass grow under his feet. If he's not pruning mulberry trees, he's working in his gardens. And if he's not doing that, he's feeding his animals. And I can't believe I got him on here for a second time. And if you enjoy this episode, we'll get him on again because there's so much more to cover. Childhood stories, early medical medium work, private family stuff, everything. But you gotta let us know. You gotta let him know. He knows you like it. He'll keep on coming back on and he'll keep on talking. But this episode is next level. So I suggest fasten your seatbelts, strap yourself in. You're going for another ride with me and my dad. So, dad, here we are, part two.

[B]

Yeah. And it's early in the morning.

[A]

Where's your wild blueberry lemon lime drink right now?

[B]

It's too early for it.

[A]

What did you bring?

[B]

My celery juice.

[A]

So you made that fresh this morning?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when do you bring in the purple drink, the wild blueberry, the lemon, the lime, the water?

[B]

A little while after I'm finished with this when I go back home.

[A]

So, Dad, I would love to talk about coconuts because we have a long standing history of coconut knowledge. And there's an interesting reason why we know a lot about coconuts and coconut water. So how did it begin?

[B]

So me and mom drove down to Florida and we decided to go to Miami. And there was a vendor on the street selling coconuts. He had a whole cart full of them. Yeah, he cut the tops off of two of them, and mom and I had one each with a straw in it, and it was delicious. So we were only There about a week, and I was just thinking about it. I must have drank about 50, 60 coconuts. When it came time to go home, I loaded a trunk with coconuts. On the trip back, got a flat tire. I had to empty out the coconuts to get to the spare tire. And a trooper pulled over and asked me what I was doing with all the coconuts. And I was told him I was taking them home to drink them, and he laughed his ass off.

[A]

So every time you told me that you would talk to somebody about coconut water back then, I mean, this is real early days. I was little, wee big, you know, it was. I was a baby, basically. You told me that nobody cared. It was. They only thought about coconut milk. Right. Like in a can. Yeah, Coconut milk.

[B]

Yeah, coconut milk. That's all they thought about. They didn't know that coconut water, it's. With the young coconuts, you get clear water. It's like, it's.

[A]

It's a goal.

[B]

God's gift to this planet. When I came home with the coconuts, Spirit told you that coconuts are good for healing people.

[A]

Yeah. They fix things in people.

[B]

Right. I just like the taste as a drink. At six years old, you were telling everybody it was a medicine. Yeah. You were saying it helped their brain and get them better.

[A]

One of the biggest problems I had when I was younger, and you saw this all the time, that if Spirit gave me an answer for someone, you couldn't find it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You couldn't find what it was they

[B]

needed because you couldn't get the coconut water. You couldn't get the coconuts. When you were a kid and you were doing readings, Spirit would ask for coconuts for those people. You would ask me, we need to get them coconuts. And we couldn't.

[A]

Yeah. Because if Spirit said, hey, this person needs dandelion or dandelion greens, dandelion flowers or stems or roots, I could get it.

[B]

Yeah, you could forage in the woods.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

But you couldn't get coconut water.

[A]

No. There was no foraging there.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So that was always the challenge. It was a big part of it all. So as years went by and I was growing herbs and foraging for herbs to dry and then put in the glass jars on the shelves in my offices that you talked about earlier. And some of those glass jars, if you remember, had mulberries from your mulberry trees. They were dried, and they would be in there, and I would mix those into teas for different ailments for people.

[B]

Sure, I remember.

[A]

But we didn't have the Coconut water

[B]

for people or the coconuts. But I stumbled across some property that had a couple hundred coconut trees, but it was run down, overgrown, really neglected, bad. And the guy wanted out. And I took it over and then we went to work in it. We pruned the trees, cut down all the overgrowth, got the well working with irrigation. Nine months later, beautiful crop came in.

[A]

It really was. And then we were planting more coconut trees.

[B]

Yeah, we were growing them. We had plenty of room.

[A]

So, dad, there was a problem though, right? A big problem.

[B]

Yeah. Nobody wanted them.

[A]

Nobody wanted them.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Nobody cared.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Nobody.

[B]

They didn't know.

[A]

They didn't know about coconut water. There were no coconut waters out there in the world. Nobody drank it. There was no coconut water market. It just didn't exist. You couldn't give a coconut away.

[B]

You were sending sick people coconuts for free.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't care. I just wanted them to have it. So I would just ship them to people and. And teach people how to drink them. And that's what you were doing too?

[B]

Yeah, I was trying to educate people on coconut water and how good it was for their health. And you would have them in your office when people came in there to see you?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I would crack them open for people and just have them drink it right there.

[B]

And they loved it.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they did. They did. Like everybody in the waiting room, they would just be drinking the coconut water, fresh from the coconuts. You would stock us up there at my office. Everybody would be drinking them every day. It was amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, dad, what kind of coconuts were they?

[B]

They were Malayan gold.

[A]

So what's so good about Malayan gold?

[B]

It was. They had that taste to them that was just. It was magnificent. Plus, they were loaded with water. I mean, one coconut, it averaged anywhere from 24 ounces to a quart, 32 ounces, sometimes 40 ounces. Coconuts were huge and young.

[A]

I remember that. They were gigantic sometimes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And every now and then you would get like a freak coconut. It was a freak coconut because it looked so massive and it was so gigantic, it didn't even make sense.

[B]

The largest one I got was 13 pounds.

[A]

Oh, my God, think about that. A 13 pound coconut.

[B]

A nut. 13 pounds.

[A]

Filled with juice. Filled with juice. So, dad, every time I would help you on the coconut farm and I would go there, I remember seeing a lot of coconuts on one tree. Just one tree alone. Like, how many coconuts are on one tree?

[B]

It was an average, like over a hundred, 200 coconuts.

[A]

So 200 coconuts on one tree?

[B]

Yeah, sometimes more.

[A]

So we had a lot of coconut trees. A lot of them. And when you think about 200 or more coconuts per tree, that's thousands of coconuts, right?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And the sad thing was, nobody wanted them because nobody knew how good they were for you.

[B]

You could go into the store and you could get the brown coconuts that already been shucked. They would use the milk for cooking and the meat inside. They would eat no knowledge about a young coconut and the coconut water inside.

[A]

So, dad, we were working on the coconut farm and it was hot as freaking heck. It was so hot.

[B]

Yeah. And we would drink the coconut water because that was the best thing for you in the heat, regular water. You couldn't. You couldn't last at all.

[A]

The hours that we worked, be like 100 degrees. The sun would be shining, not a cloud in the sky. We're sweating, drenched in sweat, cutting down coconuts. And I would just. I would just crack them open. I would just pop them open, guzzle them down. Yeah. And if a coconut fell off a tree and it wasn't protected and it cracked when it hit the ground, I would grab it and I would drown myself with the water. I would just pour it all over my head, drinking it while I was pouring the water on my head. So, dad, you had a technique in opening up these young coconuts, these Malayan

[B]

gold coconuts, to begin with. There's this cap where the stem goes that you could pop off. And then I used a 5 inch blade and cut a small circle and the coconut would shoot up a little bit of the water because it was pressurized. And then once you did that, you can pour it out.

[A]

There was so much pressure in these coconuts that when I would take a knife and pop it in on the top, it would just shoot out and hit the ceiling inside the house.

[B]

Yeah. So, yep, it would make a mess all over the walls. The walls would turn a little brown from oxidation.

[A]

What about the ceiling?

[B]

Same thing, the ceiling.

[A]

You kind of needed an opening station because if you didn't have an opening station, whatever was around was going to eventually get covered with coconut juice. Coconut water cabinets in the kitchen would be covered. The ceiling in the kitchen would be covered. The floor would have coconut water all over it. It was hard to manage.

[B]

So we really had to do it outside. That's what it came down to. Live and learn.

[A]

Did we see a lot of nature in the coconut grove? I wanted to ask you that, dad.

[B]

All kinds. Tortoises was a big one.

[A]

Well, I remember tortoises coming in to the coconut grove all the time. They would just be in there. We'd be picking coconuts, and they would be just next to us, eating grass.

[B]

And the gel from all the coconuts that split open.

[A]

Yeah. The tortoises would love that. So what other kind of nature came into the coconut farm?

[B]

Butterflies.

[A]

Lots of different varieties. We'd see butterflies everywhere.

[B]

Yeah. You could always count on butterflies coming around. Tremendous amount of dragonflies would always be there.

[A]

I know that butterflies are a spiritual creature, but dragonflies are a very spiritual creature, too.

[B]

I love seeing them. They could fly backwards, too.

[A]

They keep the mosquitoes down, right?

[B]

Yeah. They would eat thousands of them a day.

[A]

They kept our farm mosquito free.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I remember a lot of lizards.

[B]

Yeah. They were all over the piles of coconuts. I used to imitate them. I used to go like this with my head and neck.

[A]

That would make me laugh all the time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then every morning, I would see bunny rabbits. Always bunny rabbits around.

[B]

And deer. Small deer.

[A]

Oh, yeah. They were really beautiful, those deer.

[B]

Yeah. They would just stare at us and watch us when we were harvesting. There was a pair of hawks that I could have sworn were really old souls. Yeah. They would sit up in a coconut tree and just watch me for hours.

[A]

And then there was the tree frogs. They were everywhere.

[B]

Sometimes so big, but they were friendly. They would be climbing up the coconut trees.

[A]

Yeah. Every morning I would see those tree frogs on the trunk of the coconut trees.

[B]

You know what my favorite treat was with those coconuts?

[A]

What?

[B]

I'd split them open and scoop out the gel that's in them. It was gel because it wasn't hard coconut inside. They were young coconuts.

[A]

Yeah. There wasn't a day I didn't do that. Cracked one open, took a spoon, scooped the gel right out. Just ate it right there. The flavor was insane. It was better than just grated, hard coconut. Way better than any kind of coconut flavor.

[B]

Yeah. And I would do like three or four. That's where you really need it.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

To get a lot of gel.

[A]

Yeah. It's amazing we got any work done in there. One of the things that I think about all the time is that nobody cared about coconut water at this time in history. When we. When we were doing this, nobody cared.

[B]

So we had piles of coconuts and.

[A]

But big piles.

[B]

Yeah. And we would bulldoze them with a bobcat into big piles.

[A]

And, dad, you had a massive pile. So big on that coconut farm of coconuts. Because people didn't care about drinking coconut Water. It was so big, it was so tall. It was turning into, like, a pyramid. Big pyramid. On the property, you were bulldozing coconuts, and they were piled up.

[B]

Well, it turned out to be organic compost. Took time, but it turned out to be very rich soil.

[A]

Yeah, I really miss those days.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

We can talk about the coconut farm all day long. There's that. Yeah, Forever, right? There's that much information that that many experiences. But can I ask you something? Can you tell everybody about the squirrels and the peanuts and the crows? Especially one crow you called Broken Wing?

[B]

Okay, I'll tell you about it. So out in my backyard, I feed the squirrels and the crows. I got them trained to where they know I'm going to feed them. Every morning the crows come early in the morning. It's still dark when they come. And the squirrels come at the break of dawn. So here's what I feed them. Peanuts, walnuts, and almonds. They love them.

[A]

So over the years, you developed a relationship with one crow. Can you tell us about it?

[B]

Yes. I named him Broken Wing. He came to me with a broken wing. He survived because I was putting out food for him, and I would chase the other crows away when they try to take his food. All the other crows were mean to him because they knew he was injured. But he really loved Mom. Broken Wings start coming around all times of the day, and mom would feed him. He got attached to Mom. She was able to get real close to him.

[A]

Dad, wasn't he like the black sheep?

[B]

Yeah. It took us a little while to figure it out, what they were doing to him. We were allowing his wing to heal by feeding him and watching his back. I'd be chasing the crows away when they would come because now I was really wanting to protect him.

[A]

And you saved his life.

[B]

Yeah. He always stood around the yard because he was mending. Over time, he was finally able to fly up on a branch. His wing healed in a certain angle, and you could always recognize him because his wing was cocked up a little bit from his back. He got stronger and stronger until he was able to fly pretty good. Then one morning, he wasn't there when I was bringing out the peanuts.

[A]

What did you think when that happened?

[B]

I was really worried when that happened because he was there all the time. He was like a fixture in the yard.

[A]

It's like a family member.

[B]

Yeah. Mom was really upset. Day two came, he wasn't there.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Then day three came, he wasn't there. But after day three, in the afternoon, who comes flying down Broken Wing. I wasn't home. Mom called me up and told me what happened. I was so happy. We thought he was dead, but he came back hungry. What I didn't mention was he was never with the flock. He always came after the flock or right before they were leaving, and that's when they would go after him.

[A]

They didn't want Broken Wing to get any food.

[B]

Exactly. So now that he showed up, he would come around for a few days, and then he would leave again. And we were getting used to that. But I'll tell you what, his flying became extraordinary. He could fly through the trees. A lot of times the crows were after him. He could outmaneuver them. Then one day he left. He was gone for about two weeks. And we figure now they caught him or something really happened to him bad.

[A]

I remember you guys were really worried about him.

[B]

Yeah. And then he showed up with another crow that was larger than him. And they were partners. Broken Wing got a family. So Broken Wing and his partner came around for about a week. And we noticed something wrong with her. She might have been injured before because she had a problem with her neck.

[A]

And this is what's mind blowing, because Broken Wing, who was not part of the flock, who. They didn't want him to survive or live. He had a broken wing. He only made it and survived because you were feeding him. They ostracized him.

[B]

That's true. They did.

[A]

And when he finally heals, he finds a partner who has an injury, a neck injury.

[B]

And they still were separate from the flock. It was just them two. Meanwhile, they left and they never came back. Me and mom were brokenhearted. So now a year passes, and I'm driving home, two miles away from home, and I see a crow up ahead of me fly by and land on a fence post. And I slowed down because he looked familiar. It was Broken Wing still with the same wing cocked up on his back. And I stopped the car right away and I yelled to him, broken Wing. Broken Wing. And he looked at me and he went, caw. And then he flew away. I felt a little bad, but I was happy for him because he was living his life.

[A]

Yeah. He got his life back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, dad, you and mom have had dogs your whole life. They, like, they're everything to you guys. They're your whole world. And you don't have dogs anymore. I mean, and it's. That's serious. Because when I think about it, like, they were everything. Your whole entire life, you guys had dogs. So tell. Tell everybody a little bit about that.

[B]

Well, that's how it is with pets. You know, it was like our last dog that passed away. I mean, I couldn't handle that. Mom and I were sick over it, and I swore to her, we'll never have another dog again. The heartbreak is just too much, really. Like losing a family member.

[A]

Every time you lost a dog, a dog passed away. And beloved, beloved dog. I was worried about you. We're always worried about you. Because you fall into a depression for a while because it was just too much.

[B]

Well, it was. It was big heartbreak. I mean, I'm getting choked up right now thinking about it. I don't even want to talk about it, tell you the truth.

[A]

All right. But let's talk about the eight critters that you take care of now.

[B]

Yeah. And guess what they are. They're cats.

[C]

Cats.

[B]

Pharaoh cats.

[A]

You love cats.

[B]

Yeah, and they're Pharaoh. One at a time. They found my home.

[A]

So, dad, you got eight cats now?

[B]

Yeah, technically I do. One day at the end of the driveway, mom saw a cat. It was a stray cat. She decided she was gonna feed it. Yeah, he was a good sized cat. He was a feral cat. He had a clipped ear.

[A]

What's the clipped ear? What's the clipped ear mean?

[B]

And that means that somebody picked it up and took it in and had it neutered and probably shots.

[A]

And then let it back out into the wild.

[B]

Yeah, again. Next day she fed him again. Next day she fed him again. Next day after, she fed him again. And then she started feeding him twice a day.

[A]

Twice a day he was eating food.

[B]

And then now he was coming up the driveway closer to the house when she was feeding him.

[A]

He liked you guys.

[B]

Yeah. This went on for months. At this point, he was an outside cat.

[A]

He wasn't an inside cat?

[B]

No, not yet. But he became an inside cat. I got him to come in after about six months.

[A]

How'd you do it?

[B]

With food, of course. Yep, that's how I got him in. And he liked it. He was in for a few hours a day, and we let him out. He would stay out all night. One day he came in. He had a wound on his left hip. And I gave you a call about that because it was pretty big and we needed Spirit to tell us. What is this? You said Spirit said it was bad infection from barbed wire. You asked me if he was licking it.

[A]

Yeah, that wound was really bad. From barbed wire?

[B]

Yeah. You gave me an herb to stick in his food. And he recovered in about two weeks.

[A]

Yeah, I remember that.

[B]

And you always Figured out things since you were a child about what was wrong in animals. You used to say as a kid, spirit says, this animal needs this, this animal needs that. And wherever we went, whether it was a dog or a cat or a bird, you were able to help them out. And Spirit said, give him this. And we relied on that and other people we knew too. But it got annoying because too many people were coming to you as a kid. They wanted answers, but you didn't care. You wanted to help people.

[A]

When I was little, I would ask Spirit about every single animal. And Spirit would tell me. But Spirit would also tell me about what people were going through and what was happening there. But you and mom know better than anybody. You guys lived it.

[B]

And it wasn't easy. Those early years seemed like every minute Spirit was saying something.

[A]

So dad, what about your other seven cats?

[B]

Well, the pattern would be like this. Another cat would come around, nosying around and stick out some food for it and start feeding it. And it would be like the same process, you know, because we love animals, you know, and it was sad to see cats starving.

[A]

Well, and then it was cold outside and it was too hot and house a cat to survive on its own in 100 degree heat. And then cold too. Freezing cold outside.

[B]

Right. I'll tell you what I did. I bought these little heating pads and I plugged them in for outside little

[A]

beds, like padded for those really cold nights.

[B]

Yeah. And the cats would sleep on for the cold nights. Yeah.

[A]

So how many cats are inside and how many cats are outside? How does it work?

[B]

Well, it's three cats that are inside and they're in for the night. I let them out in the morning. And the other cats, I feed them twice a day. We can't have too many cats in the house. That'll really get crazy. A lot of times I have to let them out. Two, three o'clock in the morning. Can't let them stay all night. They have to go to the bathroom. They don't use the house because these are feral cats.

[A]

They. They go to bathroom outside. They've been trained their whole life.

[B]

Yeah, that's it. They're used to going to the bathroom outside all their lives. There has never been an accident in the house.

[A]

That's amazing. Do you love these cats?

[B]

Love them. They're a big part of our life now. We. We love the hell out of them.

[A]

Does mom love them too?

[B]

Yeah, she sure does. She always says they are some characters.

[A]

So how does it work with the cats and the squirrels? They're feral Cats. And you always tell me they actually chase and hunt squirrels.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's been working out good because we've been feeding both of them. The squirrels get a lot of food. Cats get a lot of food, so they're happy. The cats are getting lazy. That's the thing.

[A]

Also feeding the cats every day. So the cats aren't trying to hunt for their food anymore.

[B]

Like I said, they're getting lazy. And they're not after the squirrels.

[A]

They're laying around.

[B]

Yeah, they're laying. They're doing a lot of laying around. They're taking naps, Doing a lot of sleeping.

[A]

Are they always in Mom's favorite chair?

[B]

Is that they're always kicking them off with a towel down. And, you know, they're starting to run the house.

[A]

They're starting to run the house. Unbelievable.

[B]

We work for them.

[A]

Yes. You guys are working for them, right? They're ruling the house.

[B]

They're our bosses now. It's crazy. Yeah.

[A]

All those little kitties just taking over the house. They're not little.

[B]

They're not little kitties.

[A]

They're all big cats.

[B]

Big cats. Yeah.

[A]

All right, so, dad, you're talking about the peanuts, the almonds and the walnuts for the squirrels. So the squirrels and the crows.

[B]

Yeah, and the crows. They eat the same thing. It's easy. Beat both of them.

[A]

So let's talk about the squirrels a little bit.

[B]

They're all friendly right now because they've been trained. You know, they know when I'm. They yell up. They have this noise that they make up in the trees when I come outside, it's like they're telling everybody, he's out here, he's gonna feed us.

[A]

They're happy. So you have eight cats. You got how many squirrels?

[B]

About 20.

[A]

20 squirrels. How many crows?

[B]

It would be like 15, 18, something like that.

[A]

Squirrel, crows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you had eight cats, 20 squirrels, 18 crows.

[B]

Okay, let me say something about the crows, okay? They're not there all day. They come in the morning, they leave. They go all over the whole area. I see them in different places. I could tell. It's the same crowd.

[A]

It's the same. It's the same motley crew.

[B]

Yeah. They have a routine.

[A]

And I bet you the squirrels have a routine. And I know your cats have a routine.

[B]

Oh, they all do. Yes. Crows eat and they disappear.

[A]

Dad, when I come over, it's like a magic wonderland. You got the cats, which I love. I love all your cats. Even wildcat. Wildcat I even love. But, Wildcat, you can't Pet on the head. He's a feral cat that doesn't take any crap. He means business. You're not allowed to pet his stomach. But he hangs out on the porch, and he comes up to me and he rubs up against my legs and my ankles. And if I pet him, I got to remember, don't pet wildcat. You always tell me wildcat will take a swipe at you.

[B]

Well, you could pet him on the

[A]

top of the head, on the top of that.

[B]

But don't go down his neck or his back, because he'll.

[A]

He'll.

[B]

In a second, he'll have you all scratched up.

[A]

Yep. You know what another reason is why it's a wonderland there? Because the fruit trees, you got all your mulberry trees all grown around the house and in the yard. I mean, you even have some banana trees. You got bananas, you got mulberry trees, you got citrus, you got oranges. You got the ponderosa lemon, which is really amazing. That gigantic lemon, that lemon tree. You have all your fruit trees, you have your gardens. You got your peppers, which we should talk about on another episode. We should talk all about your pepper garden, all about the super chilies, all about all of that. You've been growing peppers your whole life. And it's a magical place. When I come out there, it is

[B]

a very special place.

[A]

So we did it, dad, part two.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Thanks for coming out here.

[B]

You're welcome.

[A]

We covered the coconut farm, which is crazy when I think about it, because going back there, it's just such a beautiful place. So many memories. I remember you cutting down those coconuts. You would put cardboard boxes down below all around the trees, piles of piles of them to break the fall, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because when those coconuts came crashing down, the weight of a massive batch of coconuts falling out basically from the sky,

[B]

and a lot of them would split open, shoot, deuce all over the place.

[A]

Yeah. If they land on the ground, forget it. And they would land on the boxes, and it would protect them and break their fall. So we would load up boxes around every coconut tree.

[B]

Yeah, that was the old way.

[A]

That was the old way. That was the old technique.

[B]

That was the beginning.

[A]

Yeah, it was. You know what's crazy? You and I used to always say, don't sit under that coconut tree. That was like a rule there at the coconut farm. Don't eat lunch underneath the coconut tree.

[B]

Never, always, always be alert and ready and look up all the time.

[A]

Yeah. Because if one of those big Malayan gold coconuts fell on your head from that height. Forget it. It would knock you out. Maybe crack your head open.

[B]

It would be too to Louie.

[A]

Too to Louis. And so we had this.

[B]

We had.

[A]

We had this rule. Do not sit and eat lunch underneath that coconut tree.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Or any of them. So, dad, when's the last time you seen Broken Wing?

[B]

It's been years. But I'm hoping he's still alive. He was a strong survivor. What does Spirit think?

[A]

Spirit says he's still alive.

[B]

That's great news.

[A]

And he may come and visit you.

[B]

I feel that he's always around. I'm always looking for him.

[A]

He remembers what you've done for him. He'll never forget. And God won't either. Thanks for coming on, Dad.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

Love you too.

[C]

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